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Sony's PS4 To Have Less Stringent DRM Than Microsoft's Xbox One

timothy posted about a year ago | from the waiting-for-it-to-hit-goodwill dept.

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Tackhead writes "E3 is turning into Bizarro World this year. Sony has not only promised that the PS4 will support used games without an online connection, they trolled the Xbox folks hard with this Official PlayStation Used Game Instructional Video. Compounding the silliness, and hot on the heels of the political firestorm surrounding Donglegate, Microsoft went for rape jokes during their Xbox presentation." Similarly, onyxruby writes "The Verge covers how Sony has crafted policies explicitly to make the PS4 consumer friendly to the public. They make the case that the PS4 will be superior in nearly every way [to the Xbox Next] by not requiring an Internet connection, not restricting used games, supporting indie developers and selling for $100 cheaper than the Xbox One." And if you're interested in the guts rather than the policies or the politics, Hot Hardware has a comparison of the internals of both of these new offerings.

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It is all software, really (5, Insightful)

morcego (260031) | about a year ago | (#43974635)

The real problem is, it can change any time. PS4 can become more stringent, and XBox One could become less (well, in theory).

I'm not sure I trust Sony not to be an asshole regarding DRM. It doesn't have that good a track record. It is a good bet the moment the marketing hype dies down, and the stock holders start pressing, they will tighten their DRM.

Re:It is all software, really (-1)

sargon666777 (555498) | about a year ago | (#43974649)

The real problem is, it can change any time. PS4 can become more stringent, and XBox One could become less (well, in theory).

I'm not sure I trust Sony not to be an asshole regarding DRM. It doesn't have that good a track record. It is a good bet the moment the marketing hype dies down, and the stock holders start pressing, they will tighten their DRM.

^^This

Re:It is all software, really (5, Insightful)

gstoddart (321705) | about a year ago | (#43974759)

The real problem is, it can change any time. PS4 can become more stringent

If it starts out not requiring any internet connection, and you never update it, it won't get any more restrictive.

It simply won't be given an option by some of us -- my next console will never see a network, because it's not like I trust Sony either. But the next XBox is definitely not something I'll even consider.

Re:It is all software, really (5, Interesting)

MozeeToby (1163751) | about a year ago | (#43974813)

They can, and have in the past, packaged OS updates on game disks. Just saying, it's not as easy to avoid updates as you might imagine.

Re:It is all software, really (3, Insightful)

gstoddart (321705) | about a year ago | (#43974847)

They can, and have in the past, packaged OS updates on game disks. Just saying, it's not as easy to avoid updates as you might imagine.

Possibly true, but as long as it doesn't need a network connection *ever*, I'll try to live with that.

Otherwise it, and a steaming pile of shit will be shipped to Sony.

Re:It is all software, really (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43975015)

They can, and have in the past, packaged OS updates on game disks. Just saying, it's not as easy to avoid updates as you might imagine.

Possibly true, but as long as it doesn't need a network connection *ever*, I'll try to live with that.

Otherwise it, and a steaming pile of shit will be shipped to Sony.

Good, good, so some low-level shipping drone trying to get by on minimum wage will get your steaming pile of shit, question why they still keep this job, and be swiftly replaced by another drone from the cloning vats (they won't run out in your lifetime, nor your kids'!). The shit will be dropped into a bin at the shipping depot, collected, repackaged, and sold to the public at a markup. You WILL wind up buying it (I don't think you fully understand how much Sony owns). Yeah! That'll somehow stick it to those evil, evil executives, I'm sure!

Re:It is all software, really (1)

Impy the Impiuos Imp (442658) | about a year ago | (#43975047)

That would make a good game! Where can I buy?

Re:It is all software, really (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43975181)

That would make a good game! Where can I buy?

By the title, "steaming pile of shit", I'd assume here [slashdot.org] , of course

Re:It is all software, really (5, Funny)

craigminah (1885846) | about a year ago | (#43975103)

I see you must be another satisfied customer: http://www.poopsenders.com/ [poopsenders.com]

Re:It is all software, really (1)

UltraZelda64 (2309504) | about a year ago | (#43974849)

What if you absolutely *need* to install the latest system updates for whatever reason just to be able to play some of the latest games? Good luck with that expensive brick; I guess what was out at release time will continue to work at least...

Re:It is all software, really (4, Insightful)

larry bagina (561269) | about a year ago | (#43975169)

Exactly. Sony shut off network access if you didn't run the "upgrade" to remove OtherOS.

Re:It is all software, really (2)

Golddess (1361003) | about a year ago | (#43975273)

That isn't what UltraZelda64 meant.

If you bought a physical disc of a completely offline game, and that disc contained an update that removed OtherOS, you could not play that game unless you installed the update.

Re:It is all software, really (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43974877)

As you buy new games, they can require upgraded firmware (which would be included on the game disc) be installed before they run.

Re:It is all software, really (2, Funny)

Opportunist (166417) | about a year ago | (#43975049)

...without asking you whether you want them installed, or telling you beforehand that they'll do so.

What? You don't want the latest firmware? Why, trying to hide something? Are you one of those pesky pirates? Because there is no other reason not to obey your Sony Overlord.

Re:It is all software, really (2)

bishopBelloc (1751712) | about a year ago | (#43974895)

If it starts out not requiring any internet connection, and you never update it, it won't get any more restrictive.

If I recall, there have been PS3 games that required an update to function, and contained that update on disc. So you could reach a point where you can't play any new games without updating.

No one would force you to install those updates, so technically you're right. But I would consider it just as system killing as forcing an update over the Net.

Re:It is all software, really (2)

gstoddart (321705) | about a year ago | (#43975019)

And, sadly, that will mark the end of my willingness to purchase video consoles from any of these guys.

At this point, it's which company is going to start out acting less like pricks, and which won't require an internet connection at all.

If that's the PS4, and they subsequently try to change the rules, that box will get disconnected, lit on fire, and will be the last console I ever buy. I will not have a gaming box in my house which demands to access the internet at will, because there's nothing in it for me.

Re:It is all software, really (1)

petermgreen (876956) | about a year ago | (#43975167)

I don't use the online services for games consoles much (I don't have a live account at all and I haven't logged into PSN since the hack) and iirc pretty much every new game i've put into a current gen console* has demanded a firmware update.

One game even updated the firmware from disc then updated itself (yeah I have a network cable connected, maybe I shouldn't), then went on to demand another firmware update (or maybe it was the other way round, demanding another firmware update and then updating itself).

*PS3, XBOX 360 and Wii.

Re:It is all software, really (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43974915)

Not true. New titles can ship with the requirement of needing the latest firmware to run. This has happened in the past with Sony systems.

Re:It is all software, really (5, Informative)

Vanderhoth (1582661) | about a year ago | (#43974999)

My PS3 was updated by a rented bluRay movie.

I specifically declined all attempts to update the system over the network until I had some people over for movies. I was making snacks and my cousin or wife (neither will fess up to it) put the movie we rented in. It said the console required and update and they said ok. By the time I showed up it was too late to do anything about it.

Their whole poking fun at MS and the XO is kind of funny at the moment, but it's really just an attempted to gain back some of the early adopters they alienated with the Other OS removal. If they hadn't removed the Other OS feature I bought and paid for with my PS3, I'd probably be all in on buy a PS4. I hate to sound conceded, but my recommendations when the PS3 first came out was responsible for at least a dozen console sales, I'm sure other early adopter tech geeks can say the same thing. As it stands now I'll make sure everyone I know, knows Sony is an under handed entity that can't be trusted from one day to the next to follow up on something they said the would or wouldn't do. After all it was only weeks before the April 1st update that removed of the Other OS they said they wouldn't consider removing it.

Point being once they have your money, they don't really care how they screw you over, but they'll find a way.

Re:It is all software, really (1)

newcastlejon (1483695) | about a year ago | (#43975091)

s/conceded/conceited

Re:It is all software, really (1)

eth1 (94901) | about a year ago | (#43975011)

If it starts out not requiring any internet connection, and you never update it, it won't get any more restrictive.

It simply won't be given an option by some of us -- my next console will never see a network, because it's not like I trust Sony either. But the next XBox is definitely not something I'll even consider.

That will work until you can't run any new games because they start requiring at least a certain version of the system software.

Re:It is all software, really (1)

gstoddart (321705) | about a year ago | (#43975227)

Well, either I decide I won't buy any of them now, or after they've done something like that, I'll make the same decision.

If they can update it without a network connection, fine. But if they leave me with something unusable, then I will be forced to conclude they're all assholes and withdraw my money. (Well, I know they're assholes now, but now I can play games with no internet connection)

But I don't play on-line games, don't want to participate in the in-game economy, and refuse to be monitored by a video game so advertisers can he information about me.

So either it's going to work off-line out of the box and stay that way, or it won't get bought, or eventually it will get relegated to the shit pile -- in any of those cases, my next video game console will be never be connected to a network.

I'm just some random schmuck, so I expect neither Microsoft nor Sony to care about me -- and I will give them about the same amount of consideration.

Re:It is all software, really (3, Insightful)

headcase88-2 (2613991) | about a year ago | (#43975173)

A recent relevant example; PS3 entirely removed Linux support a couple years in, even though they were bragging about it quite a lot at launch. Technically, you could keep it, you just can't visit the PS Shop or use any online features (which you paid for, as part of the price of the console) ever again, that's all. Not sure if disc-enforced updates apply to this one or not.

Since early adopters are more savvy, Sony has every reason to tout their lack of DRM compared to the Bone, for now. Will their DRM be better throughout the generation? Unless Sony makes a pledge (and really, even if they do), it's their choice, not ours.

Then do what I did. (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43974869)

I got an XBox 360 a few months ago. My first one. I also got 7 games from the used/discount bin and paid less than $50 for them, combined. The system has provided me with hundreds of hours of fun so far, and I know there are lots of other great games awaiting me.

You can wait one, two, even three years and see which way the wind blows for the next generation of consoles. Is the PS4 getting better titles? Is the XBox One as prone to hardware failures as the 360? Did Sony remove features or add DRM to used games? Is either console molesting children?

Wait and see, and your decision will be much easier. Your wallet will also thank you.

In the meantime, play on the current systems.

Re: Then do what I did. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43975213)

Exactly, Microsoft has already said they would be keeping Xbox Live going for the 360 for 5 more years anyway.

Re:It is all software, really (4, Insightful)

internerdj (1319281) | about a year ago | (#43974873)

The internet connection thing is big here. I can buy a PS4 and never connect or never patch. I might be locked to launch games but I got something. For Xbox One, I have to connect to the internet at least once (assuming they come to their senses and patch) or it is a brick. There are a significant number of gamers that are SOL with that model and even more that are pissed off by the concept.

Re:It is all software, really (4, Informative)

gstoddart (321705) | about a year ago | (#43974923)

I have to connect to the internet at least once

Sadly, that's at least once per day. The Xbox 1 is going to require to phone home once every 24 hours according to what they've been saying.

So I'm hoping the option to buy the PS4 and never connect it to a network will be viable.

Re:It is all software, really (1)

internerdj (1319281) | about a year ago | (#43975079)

Yeah. What I was saying if they patch before due to consumer outcry then it would still be at least once. That is still once too many for some people. I'm moving near release date and an affordable stable connection may not be immediately available. If I buy the console and a handful of games then I'm not going to be very likely to spend the cash to transition.

Where is the INFO! (-1, Flamebait)

SoldierII (2785237) | about a year ago | (#43974893)

All I seem to find on this PS4 DRM, is vague hints that it is better... Where are the specifics? Xbox said it will need to phone home every 24 hours, Sony? Who knows. How hard is it to give us details that we can come after them when the whole hype of DRM is over?

And $100 cheaper? How much will the Eye cost if one wants it?

To me it seems they have the same exact price point and NO details on how their DRM will work, none.

In this age of information, it ticks me off when they purposefully withhold this kind of stuff.

Re:Where is the INFO! (5, Informative)

Reapman (740286) | about a year ago | (#43975183)

Uh the info was in the presentation. On giant slides. And in the words that were spoken. Not sure how much more clear you want it. Sony specifically said "does not need to check in every 24 hours" "you can play offline" "eye camera is $59" The details are there clear as day check any gaming news site. Want examples of those? Joystiq and Kotaku are two big ones.

Re:Where is the INFO! (1)

Xenx (2211586) | about a year ago | (#43975197)

Did you even try? It was in the E3 presentation. There is a link in the summary that talks about some of it. Don't act like you can't find the info, when the info is there to find.... easily.

Re:Where is the INFO! (2)

perryizgr8 (1370173) | about a year ago | (#43975263)

All I seem to find on this PS4 DRM, is vague hints that it is better... Where are the specifics? Xbox said it will need to phone home every 24 hours, Sony? Who knows. How hard is it to give us details that we can come after them when the whole hype of DRM is over?

they gave all the details: there is no drm. there is no region locking. there is no internet connection requirement.

 

And $100 cheaper? How much will the Eye cost if one wants it?

$60, they detailed everything.
you'd do much better by trying to actually read the stuff sony has given out and then complain.

Re:Where is the INFO! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43975271)

The eye costs $59, and squat all uses it. The Kinect is required. TFS even says Sony has no phone home requirements, i don't understand your faux outrage. Don't make your bias too obvious, you guys are rediculous.

Re:It is all software, really (1)

Apharmd (2640859) | about a year ago | (#43974907)

If it's all disc-based, with no Internet connection required, it would be very difficult to become more stringent. Publishers can lock content behind online passes (which EA already does this gen, among others) but DRM like Microsoft's essentially requires you to use license-based games from the start.

Re:It is all software, really (1)

ADRA (37398) | about a year ago | (#43974909)

Why is there money to be made by making potential customers more angry at you? Sony got smacked throughout the PS3 because they were king of the hill. Maybe they as a group have actually learned that being smug ass-holes to their customers does not convert to higher sales. They LEARN, well one would hope.

Personally, I won't even consider a console this gen unless it works as an amazing media screener ala xbmc without the crap storm which is DLNA, supports simple 'open' marketplaces that actually support indy dev's to succeed. I'm not holding my breath though.

Re:It is all software, really (1)

spire3661 (1038968) | about a year ago | (#43975257)

Indies can self-publish on PS4.

Re:It is all software, really (1)

stanIyb (2945195) | about a year ago | (#43975041)

I wouldn't consider buying any of the new consoles. Giving money to these companies would be supporting DRM and closed platforms, and I just couldn't feel good about that.

Re:It is all software, really (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#43975101)

So might get worse is some how worse than already terrible?

Re:It is all software, really (1)

sconeu (64226) | about a year ago | (#43975129)

I'm not sure I trust Sony not to be an asshole regarding DRM. It doesn't have that good a track record,

I *AM* trusting sony *TO BE* an asshole. See PS3 Other OS.

Re:It is all software, really (1)

Endo13 (1000782) | about a year ago | (#43975137)

While true, it's also probably moot. The PS4 reveal is definitely Sony trying to put all the nails in the XBone coffin, and for the non-techie console gamers this should pretty much do it. Even if Sony changes things later, it'll probably be too late for the XBone.

Re:It is all software, really (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43975189)

I'm not sure I trust Sony not to be an asshole regarding DRM. It doesn't have that good a track record. It is a good bet the moment the marketing hype dies down, and the stock holders start pressing, they will tighten their DRM.

When you have stock holders putting pressure to "create" revenue streams out of bullshit DRM practices, you KNOW you're doing something wrong.

Let's hope good old fashioned sales avoid that. That's the irony here, to avoid DRM, all the consumer has to do is vote with their wallet.

Of course, that goes both ways. The stock holder has to not be so demanding as well. Greed has to be kept in check to avoid abuse.

Re:It is all software, really (1)

spire3661 (1038968) | about a year ago | (#43975229)

NO it cant. Sony would face ENORMOUS legal problems changing the discs from physical licenses to not in mid-cycle.

sad day for anti-sony faggots (-1, Troll)

bit trollent (824666) | about a year ago | (#43974647)

After all your anti-sony faggotry you will buy a ps4

Re:sad day for anti-sony faggots (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43974769)

No, I fucking won't! I will join the PC master race. At the prices they want for these shitty consoles I can build a decent gaming PC. While the Sony option is better it's made by Sony and Sony can not be trusted.

I also don't understand what you mean by faggotry is that some sort of bundle of sticks? I don't see what bundles of sticks have to do with gaming consoles.

Re:sad day for anti-sony faggots (0)

perryizgr8 (1370173) | about a year ago | (#43975283)

people keep bashing sony all the time but it seems to me that they are the only ones with the best technology and they actually listen to the consumers.

This MS fanboy is looking hard at Sony this time (4, Interesting)

TWiTfan (2887093) | about a year ago | (#43974655)

So far, it looks like the PS4 hardware is better, it's got Elder Scrolls Online as an exclusive (a big deal for me), there is less of that authentication/DRM drama (amazing coming from Sony, who have always been the worst control freaks in the past), and it's $100 cheaper too!

I've been a fan of Xbox since the Xbox 1. But MS is making all the wrong moves on the Xbox One. And looks like Sony is making all the right ones on the PS4. I may have to cross the line on this next generation.

Re:This MS fanboy is looking hard at Sony this tim (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43975117)

"I've been a fan of Xbox since the Xbox 1. But MS is making all the wrong moves on the Xbox One. "

Even that bothers me about the new XBOX. As much as I don't like Sony, I have to admit they pretty much smote the Xbox's ruin upon the mountainside with this one.

Re:This MS fanboy is looking hard at Sony this tim (4, Informative)

Sponge Bath (413667) | about a year ago | (#43975203)

...there is less of that authentication/DRM drama

Out of the frying pan and into the fire. After Sony updated the PS3 so that is won't play video files it suspects are pirated, it would be foolish to buy more from them thinking they have better DRM policy. Remember, they can update the PS4 ANYTIME to withdraw anything they say now, and you know they will.

Sure, they promise all this now. (3, Insightful)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | about a year ago | (#43974661)

But they'll just take it all away in a year or two with a mandatory software update, citing fears of piracy.

Again.

Re:Sure, they promise all this now. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43974777)

Wouldn't a mandatory software update require an internet connection? Can't really mandate an update if I don't connect it to the network.

Re:Sure, they promise all this now. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43974949)

No, they just include the update on new games. Unless you want to be stuck playing only old games, you will be forced to update.

Re:Sure, they promise all this now. (4, Insightful)

Applekid (993327) | about a year ago | (#43974985)

Wouldn't a mandatory software update require an internet connection? Can't really mandate an update if I don't connect it to the network.

New games could have a firmware update embedded and force you to update the system in order to play it (the Wii did something similar, although it just installed middleware -- think drivers and extra APIs -- that the game can use to interact with the hardware). The online store can refuse connections if you don't have the update, matchmaking servers can refuse service. It might encourage you to pair up your phone or tablet to it for some neat feature, and enable tethering. New Blu-Ray movies can be required, as part of the terms to license the logo and compatibility marks, to have a few tracks set aside for just-in-case-he-runs-it-on-a-PS4. The damn thing isn't even out yet, there could yet be some kind self-expiring key with a requirement to phone home once a year that we don't know about yet.

Hell, with how advanced consoles are these days, they could even embed firmware updates in hardware accessories. Buy a new controller? Plug it in, it mounts the internal flash, updates the system.

Sure this is conjecture and it might be possible for a dedicated person to avoid updating, but they're going to be working off a reduced feature set until they do.

As much as Sony wants to play up the idea that the PS4 is an island onto itself so you can enjoy entertainment on your terms, those days are long gone. Ultimately, as with any closed source anything, you have no way to know what it wants to do and, ultimately, you don't own the hardware.

Re:Sure, they promise all this now. (-1, Redundant)

Splab (574204) | about a year ago | (#43975099)

Or the could hire ninjas to enter your house while you are at work and update it!

Might want to get your meds restocked, you seem to be a bit out of touch with reality.

Re:Sure, they promise all this now. (2)

Opportunist (166417) | about a year ago | (#43975225)

I'd love to say "in theory, yes", but not even in theory. In theory, an update could come bundled with a game. Or, as has been pointed out elsewhere, in add-on hardware.

The problem runs much deeper, though. Should Sony decide to pull their usual bait-and-switch scheme, you can't even sensibly slip in anything you didn't "screen" first, since you can't even be sure that a crappy movie doesn't fuck up your hardware with an update. And it's by far not a given that it would ask you before updating (of course, just for convenience's sake, because, hey, why wouldn't you want the latest firmware?).

As soon as Sony pulls the fishing rod in, you'll be spending quite a bit of time perusing the internet to check not only whether some game you want to play runs with your "old" firmware, but also to make sure that it doesn't "improve" your console without even asking first.

Winner! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43974925)

But they'll just take it all away in a year or two with a mandatory software update, citing fears of piracy.

Again.

This is exactly what is going to happen.

For those unfamiliar with the "again" comment; Sony use to have a feature called open platform for PS3 [playstation.com] . It was a major selling feature when the PS3 came out. But Sony removed the feature and blocked the ability to install alternative OSes on the PS3 [tomshardware.com] .

Remember, we are talking about Sony, FAMOUS for DRM, removing paid for features, blocking access, DMCA lawsuits...

not reality (-1, Troll)

Kohath (38547) | about a year ago | (#43975127)

This is an interesting science fiction story. Do you think the villains at Sony twirl their mustaches and laugh maniacally while they push a big red button to send out the software update?

Yay, less awful? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43974691)

When faced with two evils, the best choice is not to play the game.

Joke (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43974693)

Microsoft went for rape jokes during their Xbox presentation.

That's what passes for a rape joke nowadays?

[to the Xbox Next]

Next? What?

Re:Joke (2, Insightful)

Applekid (993327) | about a year ago | (#43974825)

Microsoft went for rape jokes during their Xbox presentation.

That's what passes for a rape joke nowadays?

"How many feminists does it take to change a light bulb?"
"THAT'S NOT FUNNY"

Re:Joke (1)

Opportunist (166417) | about a year ago | (#43975233)

That's "how many feminists does it take to screw in a light bulb"

Gee, way to butcher a joke.

What a world. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43974701)

A world where Sony is the consumer friendly choice. THE MADNESS!

Re:What a world. (1)

Opportunist (166417) | about a year ago | (#43975251)

Give 'em a year or two, they' eventually come to their senses.

They always did.

For now... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43974719)

Until they have milked all the anti-Microsoft publicity they can get out of this and add in some similar DRM in an update 6 months down the line. No doubt blaming "hackers" for it.

Microsoft's wierd motives (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43974725)

For decades now Microsoft has been bizarrely obsessed with being a media distribution company. I can't even count the number of failed "set top" box initiatives and purchased properties (Like webtv) they've made along the way. Also there was that media center thing that sucked.

And now they've got the XBone, where they turn the 'ha ha fuck you consumer' up to 11 in an attempt do do what? Prove that they're the biggest whore so they can strike the best deals with content producers? "Hey look! We've done away with that pesky right of first sale for retail games! What else do you want us to do?"

Sigh. And just today I see that there's a new Panzer Dragon game, and a rogue-like from superbrothers that are XBone console exclusives.

Shit.

Rape and Killer Instinct (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43974727)

For what it's worth, unless you memorize everyone's moves, Killer Instinct is basically a one-sided rape because you can't break your opponent's combo. You not only have to just "know" your combo breaker, but you have to pull it off with the correct "breaker" for the button press the other person just did.

This is the fun game thing people have been waiting for?

It's funny because... (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43974733)

It's funny because at launch you could install Linux on the PS3.

Re:It's funny because... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43974865)

True, but the only reason they removed it is because people used it to pirate games.

Re:It's funny because... (4, Insightful)

VortexCortex (1117377) | about a year ago | (#43975131)

True, but the only reason they removed it is because people used it to pirate games.

So, your reasoning is that if Sony modifies their supposedly more open system to make it more closed after launch to fight piracy,
then we should not worry about Sony modifying their supposedly more open system to make it more closed after launch to fight piracy?

Well, A.C. at least you have maintained the reputation of your noble collective name.

Re:It's funny because... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43975317)

So, your reasoning is that if Sony modifies their supposedly more open system to make it more closed after launch to fight piracy,

then we should not worry about Sony modifying their supposedly more open system to make it more closed after launch to fight piracy?

Well, A.C. at least you have maintained the reputation of your noble collective name.

Sounds like somebody is mad that he can't pirate PS3 games on the PS3 anymore... ;)

Shitbird Democrats (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43974737)

This administration has made our country a laughing stock. There’s never been anything close to this much incompetence and failed leadership in an administration before, not that I’m aware of. Pitiful. If a corporation were run this way they’d have been out of business ages ago.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/06/11/18900725-ambassador-responds-to-allegations-of-misconduct-from-state-department-memo?lite

"A U.S. ambassador who allegedly became the target of an internal State Department investigation after being accused of prostitution and pedophilia denied any misconduct in a statement."

Pedophile, that's right. Remember this is the jerk who attacked Sarah Palin:

"This has nothing to do with gender, whether Todd Palin was the nominee or Sarah Palin was the nominee. If my daughter had just come home at 17 years old and said, ‘Mom, Dad, I’m pregnant, we have a family problem, ‘I wouldn’t say, ‘You know what we’re going to do? We’re going to take this private family problem...and you know what I’m going to do? I’m going to go on the international stage and broadcast this to the world.This wasn’t a working mother issue, this was a parent issue."

What a great parent we have here drones. Uh huh. And these jerks are responsible for securing this nation against aggressors and protecting the natural rights of the citizens.

Anyone who voted for Obama should lose their right to vote for the rest of their lives. You drones are pathetic. But we all know what a little "free shit" does for the lazy socialists now don't we? Yes, we do. So do all those children in Belgium.

Re:Shitbird Democrats (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43974857)

Wonder how his daughter's feel about him fucking prostitutes and children?

Re:Shitbird Democrats (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43974951)

I'll vouch for the Ambassadors character.
-- Harry Reid

Re:Shitbird Democrats (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43975095)

If this is what the ambassador to Belgium is doing, I'd hate to see the reports from security for the ambassador to Thailand.

Very nice (2)

HalAtWork (926717) | about a year ago | (#43974761)

I was going to build a steam box if this didn't happen. I collect consoles and games*, and I'm not sure if I want the Xbox One because it's not guaranteed I'll be able to play my games 10 years down the road.

* Not for the value, but my old games are still fun and if I keep them I don't have to re-buy them or wait for the stars to align for games like Earthbound to come out intact

Re:Very nice (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43975187)

I was going to build a steam box

It's ok, you can call it a gaming pc. You won't lose geek cred.

Re:Very nice (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43975207)

Same here. The Xbox One will be the first console I skip. Not buying a device to 'license' games...

Re:Very nice (2)

VortexCortex (1117377) | about a year ago | (#43975281)

I was going to build a steam box if this didn't happen. I collect consoles and games*, and I'm not sure if I want the Xbox One because it's not guaranteed I'll be able to play my games 10 years down the road.

Question: Do PC makers have a pro-DRM policy or prevent used game sales? If not, then why do many PC games have DRM? Further, what prevents the DRM from being added to any game on the PS4 by the very same publishers who insist on it for the PC market?

It is the difference between: We don't provide a standardized DRM framework, and All the games have DRM but we didn't put it there.
It's nice to the the indie support though. I might consider purchasing the thing were I not boycotting this corrupt company for Rootkitting my system via music CD, and hypocritically going after Geo Hotz for unlocking the PS3, considering that they fought and won against Universal on the grounds that although Betamax would primarily be used to record live TV and perpetrate piracy, the mere possibility that it could be used in non infringing ways meant it should not be made illegal.

Nope. Not buying the bullshit. Never. Stockholm Syndrome is for mentally damaged people, not me.

It's funny (5, Interesting)

HaZardman27 (1521119) | about a year ago | (#43974811)

It's funny watching my Xbox fanboy friends making ridiculous apologetic statements for Microsoft.
"You have to pay for online access for the PS4 now as well!" As though that's actually a supportive argument for the Xbox One.
"I'm glad there is always-on DRM so that I can download and play my games on other people's consoles while signed in!" As though MS is incapable of making the 24 connection requirement only necessary for digitally purchased games, and allow you to only play disc-purchased games when you have the disc.
"I always have internet, so this isn't a problem for me!" As though Xbox Live has never been down for several days at a time before (or been weird about not letting large numbers of people sign in while others have no problem)

I've never been a Sony fan, and I still don't know if I can trust the company that pulled the rootkit scandal. What I do know is that I am absolutely not going to a be a Microsoft customer this next generation. I will probably get a Wii U to play 1st party Nintendo games, and do the rest of my gaming on PC. Sony still has a shot at convincing me to get a PS4, but Microsoft has already lost me.

Re:It's funny (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#43975191)

PS4 requires pay for online access?

That means I will be sitting out this generation.

That decides it (5, Insightful)

areusche (1297613) | about a year ago | (#43974843)

My next console will be a PS4. Vote with your money, if the Xbox One sells poorly and the PS4 sells record breaking amounts than the point will get across to the middle managers who come up with this junk.

Re:That decides it (1)

stanIyb (2945195) | about a year ago | (#43975265)

But the PS4 is still closed and will more than likely have the usual draconian restrictions that pretty much all the consoles have. Better to not buy any of them at all.

Re:That decides it (5, Insightful)

BeardedChimp (1416531) | about a year ago | (#43975307)

Wasn't it decided that after the Sony other OS fiasco et al. that we should vote with our wallets and stop buying from them? I'm voting with my wallet and buying neither.

Sony, Hero of Consumer Media Rights? (1)

Apharmd (2640859) | about a year ago | (#43974885)

Who'd have guessed it?

Xbox fan for many years (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43974905)

I have been using xbox "1" and "360" for quite some years. My kids play this on a daily basis. Having to be constantly connected, a camera that sees you in HD at 30 fps... not thanks.

Im not too disappointed about copy protection. I think its their right after all that hard work. I don't buy xbox games in store by trough the marketplace. This avoids the media/cd being screwed after 3 days with kids handling it they way kids do...

  I don't need that in my house untill someone finds out which ips/urls take the daily ping and which servers get the video uploaded so I can apply decent firewall rules.

Besides looking at the video its completely innocent and normal. People talk that way when they game.
If there was NO woman on stage there would be someone complaining on balance of the sexes... Is it another slow news day?

I am done with consoles (3, Insightful)

anthony_greer (2623521) | about a year ago | (#43974921)

As a casual gamer, the 360 will be my last console...I will not ask the mothership for permission to use a friends game, sell or buy a used game or whatever...

both platforms go way too far, I kinda enjoy games but I can live without them...

Re:I am done with consoles (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43975301)

How does the PS4 go way too far? It appears to be the same as the PS3 except they're now charging for their online multiplayer infrastructure, the same way the Xbox 360 does today...

Oh nm, it's just NeRd RaGe!!!!11

That's great and all... (4, Insightful)

Sydin (2598829) | about a year ago | (#43974969)

But as far as I'm aware there's still another platform that offers far higher technical capability, zero DRM, much more flexibility as a media center if that's your thing, and can even be upgraded when parts break or become obsolete. Call me back when the PS4 gets all that, too.

Re:That's great and all... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43975289)

PC games have been riddled with DRM for years now. Nice troll attempt, but complete fail you are.

Rape joke (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43974993)

You have to dig pretty deep to think that's a rape joke, but whatever.

Both of these consoles are consumer-hating dogshit.

WiiU will probably be the last console I buy, I expect gaming on cheaper android based devices to catch up and even take over within this generation.
   

How about with the Publishers? (2, Informative)

Narot23 (2806751) | about a year ago | (#43975009)

Microsoft has stated that it will be "up to the publisher" whether the titles will support used sales. Sony obviously hasn't built it in to their end, but what about publishers? Ultimately I wouldn't be surprised to see EA, Activision, etc. including serial numbers and on-line activation schemes with their PS4 titles. I like the pro-consumer stance Sony is taking, and it's good to see them turn it around at some level, but that is a hanging question - have they come out and stated that they won't support publisher-based used sale restrictions? I don't fully trust them - their history with proprietary formats and DRM says more about their stance than a single press event.

PSN required for multiplayer (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43975097)

Sony requires membership to their network to use Multiplayer games...

The PC still looks like the king of the mountain.!

"PS4 gamers who aren't Plus members can still enjoy single-player games for freeâ¦and access to media services won't require Plus"
        â" PlayStation (@PlayStation) June 11, 2013

You Fail It? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43975165)

standpoint, I don't very own shItter,

Sony are saying all the right things. (2)

Severus Snape (2376318) | about a year ago | (#43975235)

The problem is I still can't trust them (nor Microsoft for that matter). Removal of OtherOS, the response to their servers being infiltrated was shocking, it also wasn't so long ago they were selling CD's with rootkits too. What fiasco is next around the corner? The ecosystem seems to be just as locked down as it was on the PS3, which is also very disappointing (albeit indie publishers are being welcomed back through the store which is great), still expect a crippled web browser though.

It would be foolish not to consider the possibility of this only just lip service.

What about the Wii U? (1)

nhat11 (1608159) | about a year ago | (#43975247)

The Wii U is pretty good =) Besides the region lock Nintendo doesn't have any of the restrictions the 360 have and free online multiplayer.

DRM aside... (5, Funny)

mcalchera (1518515) | about a year ago | (#43975285)

I had to look at it this way: With the PS4, you get one more. With the Xbox One, you get 359 less. It's a no-brainer!

Well played Sony (1)

darkshot117 (1288328) | about a year ago | (#43975287)

As a user of Xbox for the last 12 years, I can't back up Microsoft on this one. They really blew it. I might have to pick up a Sony product for the first time ever.

Though it doesn't really mean much cause in the end I prefer PC gaming over either...

Who cares? (0)

Krneki (1192201) | about a year ago | (#43975297)

Whatever those consoles offers, we had it 10 years ago on a high-end PC.

M$ Failure...... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43975303)

Well, just like the Windows 8 architect, M$ will soon be getting rid of their Xbox One architect... Another failure under M$'s belt..

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