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Dell's Haswell-Powered Alienware X51 R2 SFF, a PC Gamer's Console Alternative

samzenpus posted about a year ago | from the time-to-play dept.

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MojoKid writes "Dell recently introduced their Alienware X51 series of small form factor gaming PCs but until now, squeezing in components that were powerful enough for the enthusiast gamer was a significant thermal challenge. Intel's recent Haswell Core processor release, as well as NVIDIA's GeForce 670 series graphics cards have changed the game considerably though. The X51 R2 is shaped similar to to an Xbox 360 Slim, and though it's slightly larger, it would be right at home in a living room setting. Alienware is also bundling Steam Big Picture mode installations with systems as well. Performance-wise, with its latest CPU and GPU upgrades, the system is over twice as fast as the first generation X51, again thanks to Haswell and upgraded NVIDIA GeForce graphics. The console-sized PC is capable of running virtually any current gen DX11 title at full 1920X1080 HD resolution and high image quality settings."

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Poppin' thomas (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44002051)

How goes the war on poppin' thomases, fellow Slashdotters? Defeat any of them lately? I squeezed one on my back and pus flew everywhere.

I Guess I'll be the first to say... (1)

rsilvergun (571051) | about a year ago | (#44002105)

that at $700 (starting) it's not really a viable alternative to a $400 PS4. Yeah, yeah. I'm sure it'll be more powerful. But that didn't work out well this generation. Everything had to be toned down graphics wise so you could port it to the consoles. Even Crysis.

Re:I Guess I'll be the first to say... (1)

Mashiki (184564) | about a year ago | (#44002147)

Looking at the price it makes me wonder if they're selling it at a loss or managed to get one hell of a deal on various components. Doing a rough price out via what I can get from Ingram Micro the component cost is still 30-35% even in batches of 1k+

Re:I Guess I'll be the first to say... (4, Informative)

farble1670 (803356) | about a year ago | (#44002189)

read the fine print. "as configured" price is $1,849. that's the specs you see there. the cheaper option has no SSD, weaker graphics, and less RAM. looking on amazon, i say no $699 option. there's a $729 option, and it comes with an i-3 processor.

Re:I Guess I'll be the first to say... (2)

realityimpaired (1668397) | about a year ago | (#44002271)

... you go to Amazon to find the best price on an Alienware?

http://www.dell.com/us/p/alienware-x51-r2/pd.aspx [dell.com]

$699 to start.That gets you an i3-3220, 6GB of RAM, a 1GB NVIDIA GTX 645, and a 1TB spinny platter drive.

Re:I Guess I'll be the first to say... (1)

Desler (1608317) | about a year ago | (#44002305)

Which again is not the configuration as specified in the summary and article which was their whole poinnt.

Re:I Guess I'll be the first to say... (3, Informative)

PopeRatzo (965947) | about a year ago | (#44002309)

that at $700 (starting) it's not really a viable alternative to a $400 PS4.

It is if you consider that besides playing games, you could also use the Alienware machine to develop your own games as well as do music production, video editing, web development, word processing, spreadsheets, run fluid dynamics numerical simulations as well as play all of the indie, F2P and other games that are PC-only. And you have a choice of keyboard or controller.

And, as you say, the Alienware system is considerably more powerful than the "$400 PS4". Plus, you're not giving any money to Sony, which is probably more important to me than all the other points combined.

Re:I Guess I'll be the first to say... (1)

Desler (1608317) | about a year ago | (#44002321)

Yeah, because everyone is going to buy a console PC to do spreadsheets and word processing on. Are you for real?

Re:I Guess I'll be the first to say... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44002409)

Of course not, if you mean exclusively for those things. You're gonna buy that sucker for gaming. But you've picked the weakest two things out of the list that PopeRatzo suggested as secondary uses for the machine as your strawman. Here, let's pull out one portion of your message and do the same thing.
 
 

everyone is going to buy a console PC

 
Psshaw! Not everyone is going to buy a console PC. Are you for real?

Re:I Guess I'll be the first to say... (1)

Lunix Nutcase (1092239) | about a year ago | (#44002485)

His comment about people using this to do web development, run physics simulations and the rest were also equally stupid. Also there was no "strawman" involved. You can say I selectively quoted only pieces I wanted to respond to but that does not constitute a strawman.

Psshaw! Not everyone is going to buy a console PC. Are you for real?

Of course not since this is an overpriced system just like all Alienware systems.

Re:I Guess I'll be the first to say... (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | about a year ago | (#44003535)

Of course not since this is an overpriced system just like all Alienware systems.

Is $700 really overpriced for a Haswell system with an Nvidia 670? I don't think it really is.

Re:I Guess I'll be the first to say... (1)

click2005 (921437) | about a year ago | (#44002355)

Dont forget that console games are usually more expensive (and theres the MS/Sony rent you pay on a console).. you'll soon save money with a PC.

Re:I Guess I'll be the first to say... (1)

Lunix Nutcase (1092239) | about a year ago | (#44002495)

They are? I pay 15-20 bucks at Gamestop for all my games which is about what the same game usually goes for on Steam. Oh right, you're probably comparing full retail cost of a console game vs a discounted PC version's price.

Re:I Guess I'll be the first to say... (2)

click2005 (921437) | about a year ago | (#44002785)

no, even discounted PC games are almost always cheaper. They dont have the MS/Sony rent included.

Re:I Guess I'll be the first to say... (2)

PopeRatzo (965947) | about a year ago | (#44003539)

They are? I pay 15-20 bucks at Gamestop for all my games which is about what the same game usually goes for on Steam.

I bought Borderlands 2 for $8 on a Steam sale less than a year after release.

You find many AAA console games at Gamestop for $8?

Cost per player for local multiplayer (1)

tepples (727027) | about a year ago | (#44003319)

Dont forget that console games are usually more expensive

Is LAN gaming with PCs really cheaper than same-screen gaming with a console? Compare one copy of a $60 console game that supports one to four controllers per machine to four copies of a $40 PC game. As far as I can tell, only the deep discount of a Steam sale (or possibly support for multiple USB game controllers when playing on a big screen) would possibly bring the price of PC gaming anywhere near that of same-screen console multiplayer.

Re:Cost per player for local multiplayer (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44003783)

The PC has free online multiplayer which neither the XBone or PS4 are offering. How does that factor into your cost assessment?

Re:Cost per player for local multiplayer (1)

tepples (727027) | about a year ago | (#44003823)

The PC has free online multiplayer which neither the XBone or PS4 are offering. How does that factor into your cost assessment?

As far as I can tell, even if Xbox One and PlayStation 4 follow the Xbox 360 model of charging $360 over the six-year expected life of a console for online multiplayer, consoles are still far more likely to provide free offline multiplayer. PC game developers have tended to refuse to implement that, instead expecting a household with four PCs to buy four copies [cracked.com] .

It's not for most people (1)

tepples (727027) | about a year ago | (#44003357)

Except these advantages aren't things that most people want. And what most people want is important because economies of scale determine what continues to be produced at an affordable price. A few thousand hardcore geeks do not a market make.

It is if you consider that besides playing games, you could also use the Alienware machine to develop your own games

I want to develop my own games, but since when are most people like me? The market is crowded enough, and the majority appear to prefer the output of well-known game studios. Besides, as CronoCloud has explained to me several times, the days when a one-man project could sell easily are long gone, and I don't think most people have the leadership skills to bring a team of a dozen people together.

as well as play all of the indie, F2P and other games that are PC-only

By "indie", are you referring to games developed by alumni of the mainstream video game industry or by companies started by people who have never had a chance to work in The Industry? I was under the impression that consoles remain popular because most people don't want indie games; they want recognizable names such as Super Halo Bros. and Call of Madden.

Re:It's not for most people (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | about a year ago | (#44003517)

Except these advantages aren't things that most people want.

So what? Is the marketplace only big enough for one system? All those people who use Steam and own hundreds of games and actually prefer the PC platform should just disappear because "most" people want something else?

"Most" people use Android phones. Are you calling for Apple to get out of the handheld market? Do you believe that the iPhone is "not a viable option" because "most" people want something else?

I'm pretty sure there are enough different companies who are looking to make money that there can be more than just two platforms for games.

And by the way, how do you know what "most people want"? And are you sure?

most people don't want indie games; they want recognizable names such as Super Halo Bros. and Call of Madden.

You would be surprised how many people would rather spend $15 on The Incredible Adventures of Van Helsing instead of $60 on Halo.

Others say no one wants a PC in the living room (1)

tepples (727027) | about a year ago | (#44003649)

I'm pretty sure there are enough different companies who are looking to make money that there can be more than just two platforms for games.

Two, yes. Six, not so much. Wii U, Xbox One, PlayStation 4, Ouya, Steam boxes that ship with Windows, and Steam boxes that ship with Linux make six.

And by the way, how do you know what "most people want"?

Mostly comments on Slashdot and elsewhere to the effect "You are a geek stuck in the Slashdot echo chamber, and the preferences of Slashdot users are by no means representative of those of the public." See, for example, the posts linked from this collection of "nobody wants a PC in the living room" posts [slashdot.org] . I've been collecting arguments for and against living-room PC gaming here [pineight.com] .

5400 rpm hdd? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44002325)

come on dell 7200 ones dont cost that much

Re:I Guess I'll be the first to say... (1)

Darinbob (1142669) | about a year ago | (#44002381)

But a PS4 isn't a PC. So you'd need a PC and a PS4. And on the PS4 you'd be stuck playing console games which is a major drawback.

PC != new PC (1)

tepples (727027) | about a year ago | (#44003379)

So you'd need a PC and a PS4.

If you're referring to the fact that a console gamer is still likely to need a PC for homework and Facebook and YouTube and the like, not everyone who needs a PC needs a new PC. Since the GHz wars have ended, it's become more and more viable to keep using an existing five-year-old PC or get a Craigslist special.

And on the PS4 you'd be stuck playing console games which is a major drawback.

If the PS4 ends up with excellent titles in every genre save RTS, then please explain how being stuck with PS4 games "is a major drawback".

Re:I Guess I'll be the first to say... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44003383)

But a PS4 isn't a PC. So you'd need a PC and a PS4. And on the PS4 you'd be stuck playing console games which is a major drawback.

Um.. do you realize that most people with game consoles already do have a PC right? This is not a matter of buying one or the other, most people have both and think one is a better gaming experience.

Re:I Guess I'll be the first to say... (1)

exomondo (1725132) | about a year ago | (#44003457)

But a PS4 isn't a PC. So you'd need a PC and a PS4.

Are you suggesting most people that have a console don't have a PC already anyway? I have a PC (and consoles) in the living room - which seems to be the point of this alienware system - and i'm sure as hell not using that TV-connected PC for anything like video editing or spreadsheets or word documents or anything like that.

Re:I Guess I'll be the first to say... (1)

Charliemopps (1157495) | about a year ago | (#44002879)

You will NEVER get a deal on alien ware or DELL. Their markup prices have always be nutz, and on top of that they slap so much bloated crap onto the PC your windows instillation is virtually worthless and you end up having to pirate a plain copy wipe the drive and start over anyway. You're better off going to newegg and getting some randomly slapped together PC they have... you're just as likely to have compatibility issues either way and at least newegg will literally let you return anything within 30 days. Something I've tested dozens of times personally.

Re:I Guess I'll be the first to say... (1)

Pubstar (2525396) | about a year ago | (#44003307)

The Alienware line from Dell comes with no bloatware. Hell, it even says that in TFA.

Re:I Guess I'll be the first to say... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44003555)

But isn't it more fun to just believe every corporation is some user-hostile, government-employed spy-ing machine designed to find out what cat videos you've viewed?

And we can pretend Google really gives 2 shits about what you wrote in your email outside of keywords for ads or Facebook cares about the mundane comment on the photo of somebody's breakfast that you "like" to target advertising, or that Microsoft controls the world's governments even though many seem to have no problem switching to Linux, or that we need guns to maintain liberty because the government doesn't have like way more guns and military arms and shit. Conspiracy theories and moronic justifications are awesome!

Not all DIY PC kits are SFF gaming PCs (1)

tepples (727027) | about a year ago | (#44003411)

You're better off going to newegg and getting some randomly slapped together PC they have [than a Dell brand PC]

Among popular Newegg/TigerDirect DIY PC kits, how many are both 1. small form factor (that is, not a full-size tower that won't fit in well next to a living room TV because it's more XBOX HUEG than the original Xbox) and 2. suitable for playing PC games with graphical complexity comparable to that of forthcoming PS4 games? Intel integrated graphics, for example, didn't catch up with even PS3 graphics until Ivy Bridge.

Re:I Guess I'll be the first to say... (1)

Colonel Korn (1258968) | about a year ago | (#44002935)

that at $700 (starting) it's not really a viable alternative to a $400 PS4. Yeah, yeah. I'm sure it'll be more powerful. But that didn't work out well this generation. Everything had to be toned down graphics wise so you could port it to the consoles. Even Crysis.

Good point, though even the $700 model looks to be a half generation ahead of the PS4.

Re:I Guess I'll be the first to say... (1)

kangsterizer (1698322) | about a year ago | (#44002941)

that config as $700 would be a steal and many would buy it. Unfortunately, its quite a bit more.

Re:I Guess I'll be the first to say... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44003355)

Crysis, while toned down for the consoles, still has ultra graphics packs for the PC.

Re:I Guess I'll be the first to say... (1)

mjwx (966435) | about a year ago | (#44003819)

that at $700 (starting) it's not really a viable alternative to a $400 PS4. Yeah, yeah. I'm sure it'll be more powerful. But that didn't work out well this generation. Everything had to be toned down graphics wise so you could port it to the consoles. Even Crysis.

Actually, compared to the PS4 PC's are pretty good value. Not only will a PC run current generation games but you have a huge back catalogue, large indie scene and you can even emulate older consoles. The PS4 in Australia will cost a minimum of A$600, closer to A$800 with the Trans-Pacific Price Dilation effect. Now this is a PC with custom built components so it's going to be more expensive but you can get a high end gaming rig for A$1200 easy. This is with a GF670, high end i5 and and SSD. Considering that games for consoles consistently cost A$20 more per game (PC = $70-80, Xbox/PS $90-100) if you're a serious gamer it becomes cheaper to game on PC, buying two games a month costs an extra A$480 per year. This is before external costs like Xbox Live and replacement consoles (lets face it, the RROD and YLOD didn't give them a reputation for reliability).

And this is comparing new game to new game. Not even counting indie games, GOG's back catalouge, steam sales and so forth. PC gaming is cheaper if you're a gamer. If you only buy 1 game ever 2 months, console gaming is cheaper.

Says a lot! (3, Insightful)

Vanderhoth (1582661) | about a year ago | (#44002115)

I think the fact that Dell is essentially creating a "Console PC" says a lot about how bad the PS4 and XBone consoles offerings are for this generation. Bad enough that other PC companies are going to try and mussel in on the action.

Re:Says a lot! (4, Funny)

Ambvai (1106941) | about a year ago | (#44002169)

I can't help but wonder if Microsoft's just going to clam up since it seems like their ship has already sailed.

Re:Says a lot! (2)

AdamThor (995520) | about a year ago | (#44002589)

The Alien hardware seems pretty swell, but with Steam requiring internet I'm not sure it gets my seal of approval. The other day I went to play L4D2 for the first time in years, and upon startup it informed me that it would take an hour and a half to update, I was like "Abalone!" and killed it. But I'm hooked on indy games. I don't think an expensive unit like this would reel me in, but I've kept a cheaper computer in my living room for years now.

Re:Says a lot! (1)

Pubstar (2525396) | about a year ago | (#44003327)

Why don't you just boot into offline mode and not patch then?

Receipt expiry (1)

tepples (727027) | about a year ago | (#44003719)

Why don't you just boot into offline mode

I'm not sure what you mean by "boot into offline mode". I was under the impression that Steam needed to go online every few weeks to renew the games' cached receipts for offline mode. I was also under the impression that Steam would default to online mode if the computer has a network connection at the time Steam starts. Or have things changed since I last tried a Steam game?

Re:Says a lot! (1)

Dr Herbert West (1357769) | about a year ago | (#44002985)

I saw what you did there. Spelling's a beach sometimes.

Re:Says a lot! (1)

SethJohnson (112166) | about a year ago | (#44002223)

Uhhh.. Actually Dell's purpose in promoting this as a console alternative is because they're having a real hard time selling desktop computers as just computers.

Re:Says a lot! (1)

cheater512 (783349) | about a year ago | (#44002923)

Because no one wants to buy a computer with Windows 8 on it.

So Microsoft is losing the console wars and has nothing left to fall back to any more.

Re:Says a lot! (4, Informative)

recoiledsnake (879048) | about a year ago | (#44003245)

Typical Slashdot ignorant bullshit again.

Revenues:

Business Division (ie, Office): $24B
Windows & Windows Live: $18.8B
Server & Tools: $18.7B
Entertainment & Devices: $9.5B
Online Services: $3B.

Operating Profit in one quarter:

Operating Income by Division FY13 Q3:

Windows: $3.46B
Server and Tools: $1.98B
Online Services: -$262 M (loss)
Business: $4.1B
Entertainment and Devices: $342M

Re:Says a lot! (1)

cheater512 (783349) | about a year ago | (#44003567)

Not really 'ignorant bullshit'. Yes they are still making a profit and I never said anything to counter that.

However I was referring to the fact desktop sales are down by 5.4% from 2012 and laptops are down 12.1%.
Source: http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2013/06/12/windows_81_to_give_pc_sales_a_shot_in_arm_nah/ [channelregister.co.uk]

Re:Says a lot! (1)

recoiledsnake (879048) | about a year ago | (#44003703)

That is more due to tablet sales than Windows 8, Mac sales are also flat or declining.

"They have nothing to fall back anymore" ? Just the Server & Tools division had 11% increase in revenue last quarter.

Classic Shell makes Windows 8 as tolerable as 7 (1)

tepples (727027) | about a year ago | (#44003439)

no one wants to buy a computer with Windows 8 on it

I bought a computer with Windows 8 on it for my aunt. Of course, I waited to do so until I knew I could restore a Windows 7-style experience with Classic Shell.

Re:Says a lot! (1)

Lunix Nutcase (1092239) | about a year ago | (#44002237)

And how exactly are they going to muscle in when the configuration mentioned in the summary and article is nearly $1900? You realize you could buy either a PS4, the motion-tracking bullshit, additional controllers or an Xbox One and extra controllers plus dozens of full-priced games for less than the Alienware, right? Yeah, I can totally see it stealing sales away. Oh wait....

Re:Says a lot! (1)

click2005 (921437) | about a year ago | (#44002375)

Its a SteamBox

Re:Says a lot! (1)

Darinbob (1142669) | about a year ago | (#44002391)

It's just a newer alienware, it's not a new marketing strategy.

Re:Says a lot! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44003441)

I think the fact that Dell is essentially creating a "Console PC" says a lot about how bad the PS4 and XBone consoles offerings are for this generation. Bad enough that other PC companies are going to try and mussel in on the action.

Sort of like how Apple did so bad with tablets, everyone else decided to jump in on the action? Do you see any problems with your logic yet?

PC gaming is the most profitable thing going in the "classic" PC world. This is Dell being competitive. They are being competitive because ... I feel like I'm wasting my breath here.. fuck it.

Re:Says a lot! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44003587)

I think the fact that Dell is essentially creating a "Console PC" says a lot about how bad the PS4 and XBone consoles offerings are for this generation. Bad enough that other PC companies are going to try and mussel in on the action.

seems more likely they are doing this to try and get into a new(ish) market and cash in on things like Steam Big Picture since they are doing so badly in their other markets. i dont think it says anything about the PS4 or XBox.

Funny how the short hand for Xbox One looks like an emoticon for some one taking it up the rear. XO

i dont get it. i guess you just see anal sex wherever you look.

Lenovo's been doing this for a while... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44002199)

https://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/desktops/thinkcentre/m-series-tiny/

I've got one for XBMC. It works a treat.

You had me hooked... (1)

OhANameWhatName (2688401) | about a year ago | (#44002203)

.. right up until I read "Dell"

Re:You had me hooked... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44002261)

Dell is the first word both in title and summary.

Pffft (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44002217)

Only 1080p? That's pretty pathetic. I can play all the same games at 2560x1600 at max settings on a system with an MSI Lightning Xtreme GTX 580 and quad-core Xeon E5620.

Re:Pffft (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44002273)

Does it compensate for your tiny penis too?

Re:Pffft (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44002369)

No, but there is an app for that.

Re:Pffft (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44002385)

Maybe not, but "full" 1080p is hardly the territory "Alienware" try to claim. Aren't the people that buy their computers the same that want 3+ monitor support and a crotch attachment?

Turkey Headed Penis (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44002221)

and it only eats bacon!

Obsolete and way behind Xbox One (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44002243)

Yeah, in this article:

http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/12/tech/gaming-gadgets/microsoft-defends-xbox-one/

Microsoft explains how their game machine is... "digital"... which is vastly better than all that old-style crap.

PreBuilt (1)

theArtificial (613980) | about a year ago | (#44002251)

I don't really understand the appeal of pre-built "high end" Alienware machines besides the case (if you're into that sort of thing). Building a machine can be a lot of fun, and it's not exactly hard. I realize not everyone has the time/ability for these things, hence these offerings. I view it as (highly) over paying for something which can be done better. Also, why the bragging about including steam "big picture mode"? It's not unique to Alienware... is Steam still obscure after being around for 9+ years?

Re:PreBuilt (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44002275)

Because not everyone is a tinkerer nerd? This just in: some people buy computers to use them not as a means to wank their penis about how they assembled it themselves.

is Steam still obscure after being around for 9+ years?

Steam was ever obscure? It's had 50+ million users for the last 5+ years. It's only obscure if you've been living in a cave for the better part of this century.

Re:PreBuilt (1)

theArtificial (613980) | about a year ago | (#44002475)

Because not everyone is a tinkerer nerd?

And buying Ikea makes someone a tinkerer redneck? There are more pieces involved in assembling a dresser than putting together PC. Not to mention saving money, you know that thing that makes Walmart so attractive?

Re:PreBuilt (3, Insightful)

Lunix Nutcase (1092239) | about a year ago | (#44002543)

Not to mention saving money, you know that thing that makes Walmart so attractive?

You only save money if your time is worthless. Most people don't want to spend their time on the effort and are *gasp* willing to pay for convenience. It's almost like they have different priorities than you. Unspeakable!

Re:PreBuilt (1)

theArtificial (613980) | about a year ago | (#44002567)

So it's either convenience or your time is worthless? Nice black and white world you live in. I'm not faulting those people, but these aren't exactly cheap workstation systems so the whole bit about their time being valuable while discussing a gaming system is amusing.

Re:PreBuilt (1)

Lunix Nutcase (1092239) | about a year ago | (#44002625)

So it's either convenience or your time is worthless? Nice black and white world you live in.

No, I never stated such a false dilemma. That is of your own imagining.

I'm not faulting those people,

No, just acting arrogant like all other "rig" builders.

but these aren't exactly cheap workstation systems so the whole bit about their time being valuable while discussing a gaming system is amusing.

Yes, they aren't which is why very few people will buy them. Alienware has always been a niche brand. In the end, you still fail to realize that for the people who buy this system they are only interested in using it. They don't care about having assembled it or anything else.

Re:PreBuilt (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44002723)

I don't have any money. :(
I enjoy doing the stuff that butt-fuckers like you deride. Fuck off. Fucker-fucker.

Re:PreBuilt (1)

jedidiah (1196) | about a year ago | (#44002743)

> You only save money if your time is worthless

Which pretty much describes everyone here. Unless you are a part of the 1%, your time is worthless. You don't have some magic money machine that eats time and gives you money.

You're either on salary and any work you do is a gift to your employer, or you're paid salary and likely very limited in what your employer (or anyone else will allow).

Get over yourself.

ESD would kill your iKea (1)

tepples (727027) | about a year ago | (#44003469)

And buying Ikea makes someone a tinkerer redneck?

If Ikea can make money selling flatpack furniture kits, why can't Apple make money selling a flatpack Mac? Apple could cut a trademark license check, as it did to Cisco with the iPhone and iOS marks, and call it the "iKea".

There are more pieces involved in assembling a dresser than putting together PC.

It's also a lot easier to kill a PC kit with electrostatic discharge than to kill a flatpack furniture kit.

Re:PreBuilt (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44002393)

Because quite frankly I don't want to spend the time figuring out which CPU goes with which MoBo and what RAM might give problems and what RAM is fine then dicking around with the best price on an SSD but wait is that the one with the firmware bug oh and is the power supply big enough and oh crap this part is deadon arrival well which company do I contact for the RMA again and dear god MAKE IT STOP.

I'm happy to pay a small premium to have a box land on my door ready to go without any fuss.

Re:PreBuilt (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44002427)

meh

Re:PreBuilt (1)

jedidiah (1196) | about a year ago | (#44002751)

> Because quite frankly I don't want to spend the time figuring out which CPU goes with which MoBo

Unless you want to get robbed blind by a PC vendor or Apple, you have to know these things anyways. You have to understand what you're buying or it's caveat emptor in the most brutal way.

You might as well tell a car salesman that you know nothing about cars and don't care to ever learn. It's just too bothersome.

Re:PreBuilt (1)

Pubstar (2525396) | about a year ago | (#44003799)

Using google is so hard for some people though.

Re:PreBuilt (1)

theArtificial (613980) | about a year ago | (#44002593)

Cool, thanks for the insight. I'm very amused with the responses. So far it's (arguably) viable to build your own machine if you're a tinkerer nerd whose time is worthless while discussing a system marketed for gamers. The whole DOA thing is another reason I prefer to buy components at physical stores so if trouble arises it's a matter of minutes/hours instead of days/weeks.

Re:PreBuilt (1)

Lunix Nutcase (1092239) | about a year ago | (#44002679)

So far it's (arguably) viable to build your own machine if you're a tinkerer nerd whose time is worthless while discussing a system marketed for gamers.

Your butthurt is pretty strong. Did I hurt your ego that much Mr. Epeen Rigmaster?

Re:PreBuilt (1, Insightful)

Lunix Nutcase (1092239) | about a year ago | (#44002429)

For most people a computer is a tool and/or appliance not a penis extension.

Re:PreBuilt (1)

theArtificial (613980) | about a year ago | (#44002621)

So that's why you're proud to pay more? Because yours is bigger?

Re:PreBuilt (1)

Lunix Nutcase (1092239) | about a year ago | (#44002639)

So that's why you're proud to pay more?

Who says I'm proud to pay more? Or that I'd ever buy this system? Do you routinely pull shit from your ass as arguments?

Re:PreBuilt (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44002739)

Look at all your nerd rage in this thread. What an angry frustrated soul.

Re:PreBuilt (1)

ducomputergeek (595742) | about a year ago | (#44002645)

Last year when I bought this MacBook Pro the situation went like this:

Me: I want the 15" with anti-glare/matte screen.
Clerk walks to the back, comes out, I add Apple Care, swipe my card, and leave.

For the first time I didn't care about processor type or speed, anything in that model MBP was going to be enough to run xcode, BBedit, MS Office, Eclipse and Windows 7 Pro + Parallels. I just wanted the base ram as I was going to max it out after market from crucial anyway. What I really cared about was not having one of those mirror coated screens that glare like mad with the least amount of backlight. The screen type means more to my productivity than processor or video card. After all this replaced a 7 year old PowerBook & 5 year old intel iMac.

Re:PreBuilt (2)

jedidiah (1196) | about a year ago | (#44002787)

That's the nice thing about Apple. They don't really give you any real choice. There's nothing to worry your pretty little head over because the men at Apple have already done your thinking for you.

Re:PreBuilt (1)

theArtificial (613980) | about a year ago | (#44002655)

You realize what you're arguing about is the equivalent of a sports car? What is the most common burn for people driving flashy cars? And here you are making a penis reference about a computer.

Re:PreBuilt (1)

Lunix Nutcase (1092239) | about a year ago | (#44002687)

Do I need to call you the waaahmulance since I've apparently damaged your ego so much? If you don't want to be called out for epeen wagging, then don't pull out your dick and wave it around like one of the many arrogant "rig" builders.

Re:PreBuilt (1)

theArtificial (613980) | about a year ago | (#44002819)

I'm not even sure what to say to that. Look, this has nothing to do with ego this is all about equipment and if you want to pay top dollar for Nike's when some decent shoes will do the same job, good for you.

Re:PreBuilt (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44002847)

Extreme virginity detected.

Re:PreBuilt (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44003093)

extreme virginity detected.

Hey lookee, it runs... (1)

JBMcB (73720) | about a year ago | (#44002299)

Windows 7?

Re:Hey lookee, it runs... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44002441)

It's a good PR move. The target market for this device - PC gamers - is still quite wary of 8.

Dell / Booz Allen Hamilton (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44002469)

All I can think of when I see the name "Dell" now is "Oh yeah, the machines that power PRISM".

Slashdot paid to advertise (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44002685)

This promoted story is simply an advertisement by a company that has directly paid the owners of Slashdot. This is just how dumb Slashdot's owners think you all are!

Meanwhile, Slashdot's owners are preparing a massive propaganda campaign to follow up Team Obama's declaration of War against Syria.

Obama has moved massive amounts of US military force into Jordan, and now has issued a pathetic "Iraq has WMD" style lie against Syria, claiming the sarin gas Obama provided to the Islamic terrorists was actually used by the government of Syria. The lie about the use of sarin gas by Assad is designed to allow Obama to use the US forces in Jordan to directly wage war against Russian and Syrian forces in Syria. Meanwhile, Tony Blair in person is orchestrating a declaration of war against Syria by the EU.

Slashdot will be one of the organs telling its sheep that the extermination of hundreds of thousands of Syrians, and the replacement of their secular regime with an extremist Islamic state that hates women, is a GOOD thing.

Surprising... (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year ago | (#44002727)

Is anybody else struck by how ghastly the internal wiring is?

SFFs tend to be a little on the cluttered side; but that this is just grotesque, random cable bundles(not even clipped in place, as Dell's boring business models tend to be), teeny little fans that will inevitably make a high whining noise within six months, it's just dreadful.

Where's SSD? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44002777)

SSD is the first thing I looked for and it seems to only be available in the most expensive model. I would be extremely interested in picking up several of these if the cheaper models had SSD as an option.

Thermal Challenge (1)

GigaplexNZ (1233886) | about a year ago | (#44002881)

but until now, squeezing in components that were powerful enough for the enthusiast gamer was a significant thermal challenge. Intel's recent Haswell Core processor release, as well as NVIDIA's GeForce 670 series graphics cards have changed the game considerably though

Uh... Haswell doesn't change anything in this regard. Haswell doesn't change the thermal envelope under load, which is what it's doing when gaming. It only reduces power consumption under idle conditions.

Newer hardware + vsync = less load = less heat (1)

tepples (727027) | about a year ago | (#44003537)

Say your old machine can do 60 fps at a given heat rate, but the new one can do 240 fps. If you set a game's frame limiter to 60 fps to match your monitor's refresh rate, then the CPU and GPU will be under load 25% of the time and idling 75% of the time, therefore emitting fewer watts of heat.

Re:Newer hardware + vsync = less load = less heat (1)

GigaplexNZ (1233886) | about a year ago | (#44003755)

Say your old machine can do 60 fps at a given heat rate, but the new one can do 240 fps.

Haswell is not 4 times faster than Ivy Bridge. Also, most modern games struggle to get over 60fps - even on an older game like Crysis: Warhead, the Titan behemoth card can't break 60fps at 1080p max settings. If you're running a low end game at 240fps, then you're better off with an AMD Fusion chip to save on power consumption over an NVIDIA 670.

And that's ignoring that modern multithreaded game engines tend to decouple the render loop and gameplay loop so vsync doesn't necessarily cause the CPU to idle.

But for the sake of argument, let's assume I'm completely wrong on all points above. Let's do some rough math. 25% of the time running at load TDP and 75% at idle... My i5-3570k Ivy Bridge tends to idle around 20W (max TDP 77W), so that's averaging 0.25*77 + 0.75*20 for an average of 34.25W. Haswell has a higher TDP at load, i5-4670k rated around 88W. AnandTech have done power consumption benchmarks which indicates that the Haswell platform as a whole idles 10W lower overall, which includes power savings in the chipset and other motherboard aspects but let's call that a 10W CPU idle. Average power consumption would be 0.25*88 + 0.75*10 for an average of 29.5W. A savings of 5W due to Haswell in your scenario pales in comparison to the 170W NVIDIA 670 sitting in the corner, so no, even then Haswell doesn't change the thermal envelope appreciably such that these SFF platforms suddenly become viable. Besides, they still need to be built to cool the system under full load conditions anyway and that certainly hasn't changed.

Re:Newer hardware + vsync = less load = less heat (1)

tepples (727027) | about a year ago | (#44003789)

If you're running a low end game at 240fps, then you're better off with an AMD Fusion chip

Thanks. I'll consider it.

Haswell is not 4 times faster than Ivy Bridge.

But it might be 4 times as fast as what you're running now, especially if you skipped a generation of Intel CPU. Is it four times as fast as Sandy Bridge? Nehalem?

And that's ignoring that modern multithreaded game engines tend to decouple the render loop and gameplay loop so vsync doesn't necessarily cause the CPU to idle.

Nor does turning off vsync necessarily cause the CPU to stop idling. If a game is CPU-bound on the old hardware but not CPU-bound on the new hardware, then it'll idle on the new hardware.

Console alternative? (1)

Gogo0 (877020) | about a year ago | (#44003129)

How is this a equivalent alternative? Consoles and PC largely have different games between them. For the "serious gamers", consoles and PCs dont replace, but supplement each other.

Which games? (1)

tepples (727027) | about a year ago | (#44003761)

Consoles and PC largely have different games between them.

Apart from first-party stuff like Halo and Mario, what notable games are on more than one console but not on PC? If so, the publishers are missing out because PC games can use the same HDTV monitors and the same Xbox 360 controllers as Xbox 360 games.

waste of money, build it yourself cheap (2)

Dan667 (564390) | about a year ago | (#44003565)

Your paying double the price for a PC that you could build yourself that is less cost than a console. Add in Steam Sales and PC Gaming is the cheapest option right now and is not a walled garden.
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