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Facebook's Newest Datacenter Relies On Arctic Cooling

samzenpus posted about a year ago | from the mountains-of-madness dept.

Data Storage 106

Nerval's Lobster writes "One year and seven months after beginning construction, Facebook has brought its first datacenter on foreign soil online. That soil is in Lulea, town of 75,000 people on northern Sweden's east coast, just miles south of the boundary separating the Arctic Circle from the somewhat-less-frigid land below it. Lulea (also nicknamed The Node Pole for the number of datacenters in the area) is in the coldest area of Sweden and shares the same latitude as Fairbanks, Alaska, according to a local booster site. The constant, biting wind may have stunted the growth of Lulea's tourism industry, but it has proven a big factor in luring big IT facilities into the area. Datacenters in Lulea are just as difficult to power and cool as any other concentrated mass of IT equipment, but their owners can slash the cost of cooling all those servers and storage units simply by opening a window: the temperature in Lulea hasn't stayed at or above 86 degrees Fahrenheit for 24 hours since 1961, and the average temperature is a bracing 29.6 Fahrenheit. Air cooling might prove a partial substitute for powered environmental control, but Facebook's datacenter still needed 120megawatts of steady power to keep the social servers humming. Sweden has among the lowest electricity costs in Europe, and the Lulea area reportedly has among the lowest power costs in Sweden. Low electricity prices are at least partly due to the area's proximity to the powerful Lulea River and the line of hydroelectric dams that draw power from it."

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Not for long... (5, Funny)

Stonent1 (594886) | about a year ago | (#44003385)

With all those datacenters the town won't be that cold for long.

Re:Not for long... (1)

tirefire (724526) | about a year ago | (#44003449)

With all those datacenters the town won't be that cold for long.

From TFS: "The constant, biting wind may have stunted the growth of Lulea's tourism industry..."

If they just build the datacenter a little ways outside town, I imagine the people there wouldn't notice a significant change in temperature.

Re:Not for long... (-1, Troll)

binarylarry (1338699) | about a year ago | (#44003453)

Not with Facebook running on PHP.

LOLNOOBS

Re:Not for long... (4, Insightful)

Fluffeh (1273756) | about a year ago | (#44003553)

You might want to look into HipHop [github.com] a bit. It's rather quite nice.

Also the fact that a behemoth like FB can run as it is written in PHP is more of a commentary on the value of your post.

Re:Not for long... (0)

binarylarry (1338699) | about a year ago | (#44003751)

Sounds awful.

Ugh.

Re:Not for long... (4, Interesting)

LostMyBeaver (1226054) | about a year ago | (#44004323)

Ok... I'm a loser and can't keep my nose out of this.

When you're developing a system on the scale of FaceBook and running on a language like PHP and the article is about building yet another data center with a 120 megawatt draw, maybe the comment you're responding to could have some value.

Let's imagine for a moment that having two departments of developers, one who designs and builds a PHP version of the site and a second who reimplements the functionality using more optimal languages... we can see these people as being human compilers. When you're running a system on this scale, if you can improve performance of your code by 10% by using a more optimal language, you could effectively reduce your need for power by 10%. When you're measuring your power consumption in hundreds of megawatts, somehow, I figure that might be attractive.

So, let's suggest for a moment that UI designers and database developers aren't always the most optimal coders. I know, who'd have though? Now let's imagine that there's programmers who adore sitting around cutting a few clock cycles off here and there (there are). While PHP may give you a huge amount of flexibility, it comes at a huge cost. It requires developers to use a huge amount of string processing to accomplish relatively trivial tasks. PHP makes it look like a single line of code, but in reality, that single line, if substituted with a few lines of hand optimized code could use less than a hundredth of the CPU power. Now consider that even with projects like HipHop, the code given to the system is heavily burdened with table lookups which can't be replaced programatically by an optimal compiler.

So, I'm going to give both of your statements merit. First because you're defending the technology as an enabler. He's bashing the technology because of lack of efficiency. I agree with you that PHP scales fantastically in this case, that however does not mean it does it in an optimal fashion which I think should be seen as the spirit of his posting.

Re:Not for long... (0)

dbIII (701233) | about a year ago | (#44004621)

Probably a lot more than the 10% mark from hitting the CPU 10% less since even a datacentre in a cold climate. You pay for every watt used in datacentre servers twice - once to do the job and some non zero cost to get rid of the heat.
In just about every way PHP makes even perl code written by a newbie look fast and secure, let alone comparing it to compiled code.

Re:Not for long... (1)

crutchy (1949900) | about a year ago | (#44004731)

could be worse... they could be running on ASSp

Re:Not for long... (2)

Eugriped3z (1549589) | about a year ago | (#44004493)

Especially with all the hot air they depend on for traffic, revenue and stock price inflation.

Re:Not for long... (2)

gadget junkie (618542) | about a year ago | (#44004527)

they could sell the heat to domestic premises.

Re:Not for long... (-1, Flamebait)

Stevebro (2951615) | about a year ago | (#44005679)

they could sell the heat to domestic premises.

I agree with your comments http://www.omkarsoft.com/ [omkarsoft.com]

They make steel which uses a bit more heat. (3, Informative)

emj (15659) | about a year ago | (#44005395)

Luleå is the main port for Swedish steel, and there is quite a lot of it. So the powerusage of that data center is puny in comparision.

In b4 liberals get their panties in a twist (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44003401)

the temperature in Lulea hasn't stayed at or above 86 degrees Fahrenheit for 24 hours since 1961, and the average temperature is a bracing 29.6 Fahrenheit.

Damn that global warming and CO2 "pollutants"!

Poor long term planning. (1)

Sean Howard (2883283) | about a year ago | (#44003419)

Thanks to global warming they won't be cool for much longer.

Re:Poor long term planning. (2)

Black Parrot (19622) | about a year ago | (#44003573)

In 2100 they'll probably still be a lot cooler than Kansas.

Re:Poor long term planning. (1)

pr0fessor (1940368) | about a year ago | (#44009009)

Kansas would be a great place for wind farms. I have found that I can't open the umbrella on my lawn furniture for fear it may blow away. Unfortunately the city ordinance will not allow me to have a wind turbine. I think they are afraid I'll not have to pay an electric bill.

Re:Poor long term planning. (5, Funny)

niftydude (1745144) | about a year ago | (#44003677)

Thanks to global warming they won't be cool for much longer.

Actually, now the climate change denialists can say that shrinking of the polar icecaps isn't due to CO2, it is just facebook servers.

Re:Poor long term planning. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44003991)

Quick, someone make a graph that shows the growth of facebook closely correlating to the rise in temperatures.

Re:Poor long term planning. (1)

crutchy (1949900) | about a year ago | (#44004755)

if they just plonked their datacenter on antarctic ice it would eventually melt into the ice and would create its own ice chest when the water above it refreezed... it would be even cooler if they made the datacenter as a huge pyramid that reconfigured itself every 10 minutes

Re:Poor long term planning. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44005967)

Damn right! Every time you click 'Like', a baby polar bear dies!

Energy from Ambient Temperature (0)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | about a year ago | (#44003435)

If there were just a way to extract energy from the ambient environment in some sort of reasonably efficient fashion we could build these datacenters in warmer areas, deserts even. All that 120-degree desert in africa would suddenly become valuable real-estate.

Re:Energy from Ambient Temperature (4, Interesting)

Mal-2 (675116) | about a year ago | (#44003473)

Heat needs somewhere to flow to, in order to make it valuable as a power source. Simply being very hot isn't sufficient. That said, the amount of light falling on the region IS directly usable as a power source, and with very little population or wildlife to disturb, this may prove quite an attractive place to gather solar power. Since transmission of power is one of its major cost factors, the data centers may well follow.

Re:Energy from Ambient Temperature (1)

bentwonk2 (2793825) | about a year ago | (#44003515)

Stirling engines on the cooling?

Re:Energy from Ambient Temperature (2)

gl4ss (559668) | about a year ago | (#44004487)

this? you mean lulea? you got any idea how dark it is during winter and even if the daylight is longer in the summer it goes through longer in the atmosphere losing some of the energy.

in africa you could get heat difference though quite easily. just dig a hole.

Re:Energy from Ambient Temperature (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44004533)

this? you mean lulea?

No, he means Africa, the place you subsequently acknowledge he's talking about.

Re:Energy from Ambient Temperature (1)

dbIII (701233) | about a year ago | (#44004637)

The positive side is you can just hang those solar panels vertically pointed south and get good output :)
That's how they use solar power is used at Dome A deep in Antarctica, but with the panels pointed north of course.

Re:Energy from Ambient Temperature (1)

Mal-2 (675116) | about a year ago | (#44005493)

I was referring to the poster who proposed using the heat of the Sahara as a power source. Plenty of sunlight there.

Re:Energy from Ambient Temperature (1)

jandrese (485) | about a year ago | (#44009347)

That would be an interesting sci-fi device. The heat engine where the cold side is somehow anchored to absolute zero (or maybe just above it).

Re:Energy from Ambient Temperature (2)

khallow (566160) | about a year ago | (#44003489)

If there were just a way to extract energy from the ambient environment

There isn't. You can extract energy only by dumping the energy/heat of the ambient environment to a lower temperature or lower potential environment.

Having said that, most weather is due to a transfer of heat from the ambient environment (which in turn has been heated by considerable solar radiation) to space. And we can in turn harvest some of that energy transfer via wind or hydroelectric power.

Heat-Pump (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44003493)

title says it all...the issue though is scale when talking about datacenters

Re:Energy from Ambient Temperature (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44003545)

A planet wide system of tubes and turbines can be used to extract energy of expanding gas... However, you'll be harvesting your planet's angular momentum. I don't recommend it, especially not while your crust and mantle are full of radioactive elements still.

Mod parent up (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44003771)

It's representative of the questions scientists were puzzled by 150 years ago, and which are still confusing to many of the rest of us.

Re:Energy from Ambient Temperature (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44005335)

This article is about thermodynamics.
If you don't know thermodynamics, YOU ARE NOT COMPETENT TO COMMENT ON IT.

Now pull your physics or chemistry textbook out of your backpack and read the goddamn chapter, so you won't look like such an asshat in the future.

Makes Perfect Sense (4, Insightful)

NoKaOi (1415755) | about a year ago | (#44003475)

I know a lot of ./ is gonna come at this from a "those greedy scum bags" point of view, but this makes perfect sense from an overall humanity point of view, not just a greedy corporation point of view. Put power hungry stuff in a place where the power doesn't spew CO2 into the atmosphere thanks to hydroelectric. Someplace where they can use much less power by taking advantage of the outside cold. This is how it should be.

Re:Makes Perfect Sense (1)

OhANameWhatName (2688401) | about a year ago | (#44003639)

What about the heat transfer from the servers to the atmosphere? I'm no environmental physics expert, but with the ground so cold wouldn't that cause a sharp increase in the temperature at higher altitudes and upset the airflow with hotter air moving rapidly towards the equator? Wouldn't this create disruptive weather patterns .. ie. low pressure hitting high pressure causing violent storms?

Perhaps it's not enough impact, but the question remains .. "How many servers does it take to change a weather pattern?". Hiding behind the old and tired "Competitive economics always finds the best solution" idea is just sticking your head in the sand. What impact does Facebook have on the planet?

I couldn't see that shutting it down would be terribly detrimental.

Re:Makes Perfect Sense (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44003741)

Are you some kind of an idiot or something?

Re:Makes Perfect Sense (1)

OhANameWhatName (2688401) | about a year ago | (#44003809)

Are you some kind of an idiot or something?

That one is open to debate, but I can say for certain that I'm not a coward.

Re:Makes Perfect Sense (1)

dbIII (701233) | about a year ago | (#44004671)

The above poster made that assumption because you've made a surprisingly common but someone huge scaling mistake. A simple way to compare it is the phrase "a fart in a hurricane". A few kW, or even a few MW if they put all of their servers on the planet there, is not going to do much to the air temperature there since there is plenty of cold air to move in before much heating has happened and that part of the world is notoriously windy. It's not convective heating in a closed room.

Re:Makes Perfect Sense (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44005707)

OhANameWhat is your real name? I never guessed that

Re:Makes Perfect Sense (2)

gl4ss (559668) | about a year ago | (#44004495)

shutting fb down would help the environment only if people didn't do something else with their time that used less energy.

anyway, the datacenter is unlikely to make less heat than a single small paper mill... or steel mill...which is the type of industrial activity these datacenters are replacing in the nordic region.

Re:Makes Perfect Sense (1)

crutchy (1949900) | about a year ago | (#44004793)

i think it largely depends on how many datacenters it takes to change a light bulb

Re:Makes Perfect Sense (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44006293)

I'm sure there are people well more versed in this than I, but, since the electricity is largely sourced by local hydro-electric, wouldn't you be essentially transferring the location of the heat release from the mountain river to the server farm? The river might be a tad bit cooler since it was robbed of that energy, and there are some reservoirs that weren't there before... but the energy is just being sucked out of the river, put into the server and then transferred into the air. I suppose if the server farm was close to the river they could use the river water for cooling and close the loop.

Re:Makes Perfect Sense (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44003883)

I know a lot of ./ is gonna...

It's /. you insensitive clod!

Re:Makes Perfect Sense (1)

LostMyBeaver (1226054) | about a year ago | (#44004339)

Screw the CO2.... Norway really needs to jack up power costs since it's a bitch that Sweden who barely counts as a power producer pays less for electricity than we do. Somehow, Norway has obscene power costs and we produce insane amounts of it.

Re:Makes Perfect Sense (1)

pinkushun (1467193) | about a year ago | (#44004543)

Very well, but at least dedicate the effort to a worthy cause like Protein Folding, SETI processing or even a Library-of-Congress sized recipe book - the idiocracy present on facebook can fuck off and die for all I care.

Its Externalizing costs (1)

StillNeedMoreCoffee (123989) | about a year ago | (#44006629)

What they are doing is using the free cold to cut their costs. But of course that heating will effect the weather in that area, which will affect the ecosystem which will start to spread its effect. There may be widespread and deeply felt consequences down the road, but not for Facebook. Dumping heat is the same sort of externalized cost as say dumping waste chemicals in a stream. The company does not pay, it lets those downstream pay. You could argue that the effect is small but as we know the butterfly effect is real and unpredictable All they really know is that they are going to pay less money for cooling. Be damned with the rest of the world.

Average Temp = -1.3 Celsius (5, Informative)

bentwonk2 (2793825) | about a year ago | (#44003507)

Average Temp = -1.3 Celsius (29.6 Fahrenheit) Highest = 30 Celsius (86 Fahrenheit) For those who believe the freezing and boiling points of water also make good reference points.

Re:Average Temp = -1.3 Celsius (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44003723)

Only at sea level.

Re:Average Temp = -1.3 Celsius (1)

GigaplexNZ (1233886) | about a year ago | (#44004107)

Lulea is pretty much at sea level.

Re:Average Temp = -1.3 Celsius (2)

serviscope_minor (664417) | about a year ago | (#44004993)

For those who believe the freezing and boiling points of water also make good reference points.

Well, I'm glad you put the temperature in F as well, since I find the body temperature of a cow very much more intuitive.

Re:Average Temp = -1.3 Celsius (1)

operagost (62405) | about a year ago | (#44009013)

Fahrenheit is based on a brine solution of water, ice, and ammonium chloride at 0. I'll assume your comment was based on some notion that a dairy cow's body temp is 100 degrees, which is also false.

Re:Average Temp = -1.3 Celsius (1)

argStyopa (232550) | about a year ago | (#44005727)

I don't stick my hand into freezing or boiling water really any more than I have to, but I go outside every day.

I'll cheerfully take my reference points being (broadly) the coldest/warmest people in temperate climes experience personally as far more useful than your particularly arbitrary references, thanks!

Tourism (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44003533)

"The constant, biting wind may have stunted the growth of Lulea's tourism industry...". Now they can build a resort downwind of the data centers. Everyone wins!

That isn't very cold (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44003571)

Thanks to wind and ocean currents all of Europe is warmer than many places in North America at the same latitude. Wisconsin gets colder than this place. I think it has more to do with abundant water and better year round temperature consistency.

Re:That isn't very cold (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44005535)

Also, a data center in Wisconsin is going to get worse latency than a data center in Sweden for European Facebook users.

Re:That isn't very cold (1)

jbengt (874751) | about a year ago | (#44008909)

Wisconsin gets colder than this place.

Wisconsin also gets warmer than this place, though.

+5 Crossbow of Sheldon Slaying (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44003591)

NT

This is starting to resemble beer marketing (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44003597)

Head to the mountains of Buschhhhh...

2GB data for everyone man woman on Internet (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44003635)

The NSA will gets $4 billion budget for cyber operations. Say 10% is spent on data storage, and they pay way over the odds at $100/TB.
$400,000,000 / 100 = 4,000,000 Terabytes = 4 Billion Gigabytes
2 billion people online = 2 GB per person per year

And that's why they have huge data centers and projects to build two more stretching into 2016.

Or alternatively, since it's mostly Americans getting spied on, more like 13GB per US citizen per year, from just 10% of their budget.

That's enough for phone meta data, messages, email texts, lots of attachments too, Skype messages, browser history, quite a few phone calls, medical, financial, oh and your facebook data no doubt.

Facebook, the friendly face of the NSA.

Re:2GB data for everyone man woman on Internet (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44004665)

Well, now that Facebook have a datacenter in Sweden you will have to worry about the Swedish version called FRA too.

Heat (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44003653)

Lulea is a major center of the iron mining industry of northern Sweden, which produces massive amounts of waste heat. This is used to great advantage by the town already, and when Facebook asked the town if they should just went into the atmosphere or if they wanted to use the waste heat, the town said "no, thank you." Source: I'm a native of Lulea.

Re:Heat (2, Funny)

cheesybagel (670288) | about a year ago | (#44003757)

The datacenter is going to produce low grade heat. Not useful for much.

Low grade heat is a technological term (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44005413)

Re:Heat (1)

crutchy (1949900) | about a year ago | (#44004817)

you should be more concerned about the datacenter chugging out endless clouds of stupid

Re:Heat (2)

orzetto (545509) | about a year ago | (#44005441)

Source: I'm a native of Lulea.

If you are, why do you spell it wrong? Either Luleå, or Luleaa if you are on a non-Nordic keyboard.

Re:Heat (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44006597)

That depends on what standard one uses when converting to pure ASCII. Some Swedish -> English alphabet conversions use aa, ae, oe for å, ä, ö but some other use a, a, o. The first is a phonetic approximation and the second a "glyphic" approximation.

Re:Heat (1)

mikael_j (106439) | about a year ago | (#44007129)

Lule is also acceptable if trying to approximate how the name of the city is normally pronounced.

Re:Heat (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44008635)

No, double-spelling å = aa is rarely used these days.

It's much easier, and cleaner, to just drop the ring, and the resulting text can actually be read. As opposed to when you add extra letters to everything.

It's Like Guantanamo (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44003737)

The US Constitution doesn't apply to datacenters not on US soil, right?

Sweden has an NSA style snoop law (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44003901)

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/10/31/facebook_swedish_data_centre_privacy_law/

"A controversial Swedish internet surveillance law passed in 2008 allows the government there to intercept any internet traffic that passes Sweden's borders with no need for a court warrant. It's called the FRA law and the Swedes don't like it, and Google called it "unfit for a Western democracy". And the rest of Europe could start to get annoyed by it too when that internet traffic includes their Facebook data."

That's why they chose Sweden.

Oh and it's an NSA listening post for Baltic and Russia, but hey, lets not remind ourselves of that.

Re:Sweden has an NSA style snoop law (1)

spyfrog (552673) | about a year ago | (#44009903)

As you say, FRA (Swedish NSA) is best buddies with NSA. I assume that everything FRA knows is immediately shared with NSA.

Good choice (0)

Azure Flash (2440904) | about a year ago | (#44003861)

Arctic Cooling makes some good thermal paste, and they are widely reputed and recommended. Might I also recommend cooling with Prolimatech.

Do we know what they use for heatsinks, fans, or maybe water cooling components?

That's right, I didn't even read the summary. Come at me bros.

Re:Good choice (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44004179)

No that's the knock off.... the good stuff is "Artic Silver".

You were duped my friend.

Re:Good choice (1)

crutchy (1949900) | about a year ago | (#44004837)

Do we know what they use for heatsinks, fans, or maybe water cooling components?

they probably just open the windows

FB (1)

BelindaP (2951073) | about a year ago | (#44003969)

If FB works well that all that matters.

When I read the title... (1)

nighthawk243 (2557486) | about a year ago | (#44003981)

When I read the title, I totally thought they were ricing out the workstations with gaming heatsinks.

Electricity (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44004011)

Something the article forgot to mention is that it's not just the cost of electricity but also the reliability, Luleå hasn't had a major power outage since 1979.

Well Officially (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44004027)

It is not in the Arctic at all.

So there ! Pffffffftttttt !

So the greenies at Facebook have decided... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44004187)

to directly heat the arctic for their own financial gain. Wipe-out the middle-men and directly contribute to the warming of the arctic.... yup... that seals the deal.... there's now nothing officially wrong with melting ice caps. Al gore and others like him scream about global warming... while consuming far more energy than all the average people upon whom they heap their hatred, and while buying estates right on the sea shore (which they would not do if they really believed the seas were rising). Now Facebook decides to directly pump the heat of their data centers into the arctic.... we better not see any Facebook propaganda about melting ice and drowning polar bears. :-P

Video clips (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44004269)

Firstly it's called Luleå (let's see if that works) and secondly I doubt it's the coldest place in Sweden. There are some clips of the building here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJTGoTMHRHg [youtube.com]
http://www.svt.se/nyheter/regionalt/nordnytt/#./idag-invigs-forsta-serverhallen [www.svt.se]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfmm7FPvxmI [youtube.com]

Spelling and pronounciation (4, Informative)

Meneth (872868) | about a year ago | (#44004315)

Get your spelling right. It's "Luleå", not "Lulea".

The first one is pronounced like "lu-leh-oh", the second would be "lu-leh-ah".

Re:Spelling and pronounciation (2)

LongearedBat (1665481) | about a year ago | (#44004463)

Also, if someone is posting an article with temperatures, always include Celcius (or perhaps Kelvin). Farenheit means little to most of us who don't live in the US.

Sure, it only requires a quick conversion, but it's better that the writer does that once than to expect many readers to.

Re:Spelling and pronounciation (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44005165)

Also, if someone is posting an article with temperatures, always include Celcius (or perhaps Kelvin). Farenheit means little to most of us who don't live in the US.

Sure, it only requires a quick conversion, but it's better that the writer does that once than to expect many readers to.

i think you might be refering to celSius instead of celcius, right?!

Re:Spelling and pronounciation (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44005553)

Also, anyone not familiar with the official world measuring units could stand to be exposed to them more, so if there's going to be only one measure used, let it be SI units, not some provincial hold-over from ancient times.

Re:Spelling and pronounciation (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44004807)

Or if you are from northern Sweden: "lu-leh"

Re:Spelling and pronounciation (1)

Motard (1553251) | about a year ago | (#44007039)

...you got me on my knees, lu-leh...

Re:Spelling and pronounciation (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44006155)

Multipass?

strange metric (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44004365)

The temperature in Lulea hasn't stayed at or above 86 degrees Fahrenheit for 24 hours since 1961

That'd be 30C at the coldest time of night. I doubt the whole damn Europe has many places that have experienced that. Except probably for Lulea at 1961, due to the magical property of sun not fucking setting down.

Re:strange metric (2)

wonkey_monkey (2592601) | about a year ago | (#44004823)

The original PDF says:

In fact, the temperature has not been higher than 30C/86F for more than 24 hours in total since 1961

Heated streets (1)

spectrokid (660550) | about a year ago | (#44004439)

Been there. Close to the central square, there is a street that is quite steep. To prevent the unavoidable car crashes in winter, they simply heat the asphalt. I guess they could use datacenter heat right there.. Once you get out of the city center, it has beautiful nature..

So instead of raining in data centres... (1)

LongearedBat (1665481) | about a year ago | (#44004451)

So instead of raining in data centres [slashdot.org] , it now snows in data centres.

Maybe its a good thing (1)

viperidaenz (2515578) | about a year ago | (#44004465)

Does this mean Facebook must apply the EU privacy policies to all users that may have data stored in the new datacentre?

Would Iceland have been better? (1)

amaurea (2900163) | about a year ago | (#44004537)

Another good place to host the datacenter would have been iceland. Its winters are not as cold, but the summers are significantly colder. The average high in July is 14 C, compared with 20 in Lulea). It also has abundant, cheap geothermal energy, which makes it popular for aluminium production. To service one of the aluminium plants there, a 630 MW power station was built. Until then, the total power consumption of Iceland had been about 300 MW! According to this table [wikipedia.org] , the price of electricity in Iceland is about 1/3rd of that in Sweden (though perhaps it is even lower in Lulea?).

Both Sweden and Iceland are actually atypically warm for their Latitude due to the Gulf Stream. So if temperature were the only concern, somewhere in Alaska or coastal Russia would be better. I guess accessibility also matters a lot here.

Looooong cables (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44004727)

> Both Sweden and Iceland are actually atypically warm for their Latitude due to the Gulf Stream.

That would be Norway's coast you're talking about, Sweden has little or no Atlantic coast line and mainly faces the Baltic Sea.

- Iceland is a good suggestion with regards to power, except for the distance to core markets and network capacity.
- Scandinavia is closer to mainland Europe and can more easily add new cables at much lower cost.
- We have more hydroelectric power than anyone could ever use; Norway has been >99% hydro for the last 100 years (homes and heavy industry).

Recent research shows that it's not just the Gulf Stream that makes the climate in Scandinavia comfortable; try the Rocky Mountains [sciencedaily.com]

Re:Would Iceland have been better? (1)

crutchy (1949900) | about a year ago | (#44004845)

i would love to see a US government reaction to a proposal by Facebook to build a datacenter in Siberia... of course it wouldn't happen... maybe it would start another cold war, which would also be good for datacenters :)

I thought that... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44005269)

... everything in Sweden was burned to the ground by rioting muslims.

Geo Network Computing Design of the Planet (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44006607)

Star Trek: First Contact

Remember the view from the Enteprise bridge just after trime traveling into a Borg'ified parallel future? How the United States was joined to Cuba by Planetary scale pipelines and conduits?

I thought this is the beginning of something like that.

We'll start rearranging the Planet to support a huge intellectural brain.. each of us will become a mere local experience processing node.

And the Forbin Project will guide our planet of the Binares into the Brave New World.

What about Iceland? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44006901)

What about building datacenters in Iceland, taking advantage of low temps, as well as geothermal energy?

Luleå cold? I say no! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44007321)

When I was a boy we sometimes went to Luleå in the summer, because the weather there is warmer and more stable, than were I come from (Narvik, Norway).

It was a long drive [google.com] .

Frozen or Fried? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44009597)

At the same time we hear of the NSA building its data center in Utah, [npr.org] where summer temperatures sit around 105 [weather.com] . Is "intelligence" the right word for these services?

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