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Return of The Holy Grail to the Silver Screen

Hemos posted more than 13 years ago | from the let's-go-out-to-the-movies dept.

It's funny.  Laugh. 222

Adam writes: "That's right - the Grail will soon be back in theaters (or theatres), with 24 seconds of previously unreleased footage!"

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You stupid slashdot git... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#150285)

...I've soiled my armor, I'm so excited. ;)

Re:Which regional encoding? African or European? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#150286)

"!.....I..I don't know -
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa......"

Damn. (2)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#150287)

I thought the most successful trolls were the subtle ones, not the obvious ones. Good job.

IN A.D. 952 (3)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#150289)

IN A.D. 952
QUEST WAS BEGINNING

ARTHUR: What happen?
LANCELOT: Somebody set up us the grail
BORS: We get signal
ARTHUR: What !
BORS: Main screen turn on
ARTHUR: It's you !!
FRENCHMAN: How are you Englishmen ??
FRENCHMAN: ALL YOUR GRAIL ARE BELONG TO US
FRENCHMAN: You are on the way to taunting
ARTHUR: What you say !!
FRENCHMAN: You have no chance to survive make your time
FRENCHMAN: HA HA HA HA ...
ARTHUR: Take off every 'TROJAN RABBIT'
ARTHUR: You know what you doing
ARTHUR: Move 'RABBIT'
ARTHUR: For great Camelot!

What's so funny about Monty Python any more? (3)

alewando (854) | more than 13 years ago | (#150294)

Thirty years ago, sure. Back in the late sixties and early seventies, the civilized world plus Yorkshire was a bleak and desolate place devoid of joy and humor. But why do people still find Monty Python funny today?

There's been a whole lot of progress in the last thirty years. Monty Python may have been pioneers of a sort, and they sure made the BBC cringe like no one had before. But do they really hold a candle to Full House or Pee Wee's Great Adventure or any of the other brilliant programs that have followed? No.

It says a lot more about geek culture than about the quality of Monty Python's work that they've persisted as long as they have. Geeks, though they pretend to be iconoclasts on the cutting edge of technological and cultural revolutions, are really as conservative and scared of change as the people they deride. They cling to Monty Python, because they can feel rest assured that their adulation is justified, that Monty Python is officially and canonically funny. The fact that millions of scraggly geeks with crunchy socks have memorized the exact same jokes and the exact same non sequitors doesn't detract from Monty Python's appeal. Indeed, it only reinforces its appeal, since it gives geeks the sense of community and brotherhood they crave so much for not having it in the real world.

Monty Python's back in the theatres, eh? Well, I think I'll sit this one by. I've already seen the Holy Grail once or twice on my trips to the middle east, so why would I want to see it again in the theatres? If you ask me, Monty Python's sun has already set.

DVD Re-Release? (2)

Craig Maloney (1104) | more than 13 years ago | (#150296)

OK, I just got done getting the DVD release, and now they're talking about a fall release of the DVD? What gives? Also, what of the talk about Life of Brian or The Meaning of Life? They're already on DVD now... are they re-releaseing those as well?

A little confused...

Re:What has happened to the cast? (1)

slothdog (3329) | more than 13 years ago | (#150298)

Terry Jones also wrote the (IMHO-not-so-funny) novelization of Douglas Adams' Starship Titanic a couple years back.

Re:thank goodness.. the current dvd SUCKS. (2)

stripes (3681) | more than 13 years ago | (#150299)

Now if only we could get the Godfather trilogy on DVD, I'd never have to leave the house again.

The Godfather DVD Collection scheduled for reales October 9th 2001. Pre-order at will :-)

Re:Parody warning: (5)

ewhac (5844) | more than 13 years ago | (#150301)

(Apologies for the discombobulation, this is the only part of the Holy Grail I have not memorized. It's just too convoluted...)

Wuss. The following, though not scrupulously perfect, is from memory.

KING: Make sure the prince doesn't leave this room until I come and get him.
GUARD: Not to leave the room, even if you come and get him.
KING: No no, until I come and get him.
GUARD: Until you come and get him, we're not to enter the room.
KING: No no. You stay in the room, and make sure he doesn't leave.
GUARD: And you'll come and get him.
KING: Right.
GUARD: We're not to do anything apart from just stop him entering the room.
KING: No no, leaving the room.
GUARD: Leaving the room, yes.
KING: Got it?
GUARD: Oh! Oh, if we... er, if he... Uh...
KING: Look, it's quite simple.
GUARD: Er...
KING: You two just stay here, and make sure he doesn't leave. Got it?
GUARD: Oh, I remember. Er, can he leave the room with us?
KING: No, I want you to keep him in here, and make sure...
GUARD: Oh, we'll keep him in here, obviously. But if he had to leave, and we were with him...
KING: No, just keep him in here...
GUARD: Until you or anyone else...
KING: No, not anyone else, just me...
GUARD: Just you...
KING: Get back.
GUARD: Get back.
KING: ...Right?
GUARD: Right, we'll stay here until you get back.
KING: And make sure he doesn't leave.
GUARD: Hmm?
KING: Make sure he doesn't leave.
GUARD: The prince?
KING: Yes! Make sure he...
GUARD: Oh! I'm sorry, I thought you meant him. (indicates other guard) Y'know it seemed a bit daft me having to guard him when he's a guard.
KING: Is that clear?
GUARD: Oh, quite clear, no problems.

[ KING turns to leave; GUARDS move to follow. ]

KING: Where are you going?
GUARD: We're coming with you.
KING: No, I want you to stay here, and make sure he doesn't leave!
GUARD: Oh, I see. Right.

Schwab
Shameless show-off

24 more seconds (1)

ocie (6659) | more than 13 years ago | (#150302)

Hopefully it isn't 24 more seconds of that annoying intermission music that is played at the end. Do do do do do do de. du ta du du de de de do...

Re:What has happened to the cast? (1)

sacherjj (7595) | more than 13 years ago | (#150304)

John Cleese made many industrial training films as well.

As well as one about business ethics that was hilarious. They showed it in one of our Engineering Business classes. Gets the points across but with great humor.

Re:Which regional encoding? African or European? (1)

Zombie (8332) | more than 13 years ago | (#150305)

Are you suggesting DVD's migrate?

It's not dead... (1)

Bob McCown (8411) | more than 13 years ago | (#150306)

...its resting!

Re:Some random 411 (2)

bughunter (10093) | more than 13 years ago | (#150308)

More Info:

The historic landmark Rialto in South Pasadena, CA will also be screening MP&THG starting Friday June 22, with three shows a day on weekdays and five on weekends.

(I've been given a free guest pass by the manager! I can't wait!)

Re:What's so funny about Monty Python any more? (1)

OWJones (11633) | more than 13 years ago | (#150310)

Apparently the trolls are not only posting, but moderating, as well. Feeding time, I guess (I'm bored).

But why do people still find Monty Python funny today?

Because many of the themes that Python used back then are still valid targets of parody, mockery, and general silliness. The sheer range of targets over the four years of TV episodes guarantee that almost everyone can, on some level, relate to and find humor in the situations of the television show.

Yes, people (mis)quoting the movie(s) gets old after a while, but how many people have actually seen the TV shows? The Python-a-thon was probably the coolest thing Comedy Central ever did (for New Year's 94-95), and I absolutely loved the German TV shows.

The show operates on two levels; not only is it filled with one-liners and sight gags, but the intelligence of the creators comes through in the simple concepts of the skits. C'mon, do you really see shows nowadays making skits about German and Greek philosophers playing soccer? Do you really see most of America getting the humor in such a skit?

So, yes, the Holy Grail in theaters may be something to pass on. Just don't assume the movies are the sole (noticeable) creation by Python. And if you still don't accept this, please remove the pole from your arse before you consider posting anymore flamebait like this.

-jdm

Re:DVD Re-Release? (2)

woggo (11781) | more than 13 years ago | (#150311)

No kidding. It's really lame how some studios have slapped together shoddy DVD releases (I actually didn't think the _Holy Grail_ DVD was that bad, but I'm not an MP connoiseur) just so they can re-release the all-singing, all-dancing super edition within a year.

For an even more egregious example, examine the shoddy, non-anamorphic, "old" Kubrick DVD set as compared to the marginally flashier (but DD 5.1 and anamorphic) one which came out this week. "Uh, wouldn't you mind spending $200 for the DVDs we should have sold you in the first place?" Movie execs that authorize non-anamorphic DVDs, knowing full well how worthless they'll be come 2006, should be castrated and strung up by DVI cable. (I didn't buy the "old" Kubrick set, but I know people who did.)

I guess that the Randroids will all tell me that it's OK because the market will bear it, but I still think it's pretty dirty to throw together a half-assed product so that you can sell twice as many to fans when you release an acceptable version. The market will bear anything when you have consumers by the balls. In this respect (and only in this respect), Lucas isn't being an ass by not releasing the Star Wars films on DVD.


~wog

Parody warning: (5)

Mr. Flibble (12943) | more than 13 years ago | (#150315)

Patron to movie employee: Right! You stay here and make certain that the movie does not leave the cinema!

Employee: Right, we will stay here until the movie leaves the theater.

Patron: No, you stay here, and make certain the movie does not leave.

Employee: Right, we wont let people enter the theater.

Patron: No you STAY here until...

(Continue until Lancelot appears)

(Apologies for the discombobulation, this is the only part of the Holy Grail I have not memorized. It's just too convoluted...)

You either get it, or you don't. (5)

Mr. Flibble (12943) | more than 13 years ago | (#150316)

...so why would I want to see it again in the theatres? If you ask me, Monty Python's sun has already set.

Why would someone want to watch a movie twice? Heck, I have seen Star Wars, I don't need to buy it again. I don't need the merchandising. Oh, I have read the Lord of the Rings once a year for the last 14 years, and I guess I won't have to go see the movie either because I know what happens!

...Errr.... No.

A few years back, the Meaning of Life appeared at a theater, here. I own the movie. I went to see it anyways. It was great watching this movie on the big screen (no cropping!) and, the best bonus, being there with a bunch of my friends, and a theater full of rabid Python fans.

The only thing about Monty Python and popular culture (read, Star Wars, Matrix, etc...) that is different, is that the Pythons were very talented and an extremely well educated bunch. Their sort of humor appeals more to the intellectual type (geeks) than average sit-com crap. A large proportion of their comedy is intellectual. If you get the jokes, you are suddenly part of a club. How many people would find the "Bruces Philosphers Song" (sp) outrageously funny? Not everyone I would wager. The reason I would say this is that Joe Average probably has no idea who Immanual Kant, Heidgger, David Hume et al were!

So, if you believe that the sun is setting on Python, then it must be setting on other big phenomena too. The only difference is the level of intellect required to get the subtle jokes and allusions.

Re:What's so funny about Monty Python any more? (5)

Jethro (14165) | more than 13 years ago | (#150319)

Come on, Drew Barrimore's not as pretty as people seem to think she is, but calling her a cow is a bit uncalled for.


--

Re:What's so funny about Monty Python any more? (1)

Amanset (18568) | more than 13 years ago | (#150322)

But do they really hold a candle to Full House or Pee Wee's Great Adventure or any of the other brilliant programs that have followed? No.

I'm sorry I have to disagree there. Monty Python managed to gain appeal throughout many different cultures, not just in their native homeland. I would hazard a guess that "Pee Wee" and "Full House" have not managed to gather anywhere near the same level of international appeal. Take this as an example, I am a child of the 70s and 80s (born in 1974). I have only heard of Pee Wee because of what happened in that cinema - I haven't seen a single one of his shows - and I had to look up "Full House" on IMDB to find out what it was.

Can you imagine anyone having to do that for Monty Python? Monty Python was innovative and it still has international appeal, long after lesser shows have been forgotten.

Re:What's so funny about Monty Python any more? (1)

Ralph Wiggam (22354) | more than 13 years ago | (#150325)

"But do they really hold a candle to Full House or Pee Wee's Great Adventure or any of the other brilliant programs that have followed?"

Now that is a damn good troll. You really should have picked better or at least existent shows. Pee Wee's BIG Adventure is what you were trying for.

-B

Re:What has happened to the cast? (1)

twoflower (24166) | more than 13 years ago | (#150331)

John Cleese made many industrial training films as well. Terry Gilliam has directed and produced quite a few. Michael Palin has worked lots for the BBC in various television series.

Graham Chapman did several non-Python movies before he died.
Eric Idle has worked almost continuously in movies, television, and radio.
Terry Jones does a lot of production and direction.

Really, this isn't hard to find out -- you just haven't kept up.


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Re:What has happened to the cast? (1)

Rinikusu (28164) | more than 13 years ago | (#150332)

Terry Gilliam wrote/produced/directed/whatever the following (feel free to add more if you know of others). Most of the movies below also uncannily are in my top 20 movies of all time list.. :)

The Fisher King
12 Monkeys
Time Bandits
The Adventures of Baron Munchausen
Brazil
Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas

Eric Idle plays lots of smaller "roles", such as in Mom and Dad Save The Planet.

John Cleese, see Fish Called Wanda and Fierce Creatures.

Those are the only three I've seen on the screen in awhile, so hope this helps some.

Re:DVD Re-Release? (1)

Rinikusu (28164) | more than 13 years ago | (#150333)

I'm not a Randriod, but I play one on slashdot.

Legally, the movie studios can release whatever the hell they want. If you don't like it, start making your own damn movies. Sure, there's a profit potential there in rereleases, and while, to the consumer it seems rather dirty handed, the studios have figured out that our stupid asses will buy both sets. If you're so pissed off, quit buying DVD's, write letters to the studios, etc. You can thank George Lucas and his Star Wars "re-releases" for the re-release line of thinking.

thank goodness.. the current dvd SUCKS. (2)

uncleFester (29998) | more than 13 years ago | (#150336)

I've yet to buy it.. the main reason; I know the LD (yes, the big shiny record-size thingies [yes, records, the big black plastic-like thingies]) had an audio track with commentary of the making of the film. Something I actually heard once when Grail was shown on Comedy Central. Something I was pissed being left off. Something I hope to hell makes it on this re-release.

Now if only we could get the Godfather trilogy on DVD, I'd never have to leave the house again.

Re:Lemon Curry? (1)

Stalky (31519) | more than 13 years ago | (#150338)

Indeed. Would the Pythons ever have come about without the Goons to show them the way?

Ying-tong-iddle-i-po!

And the extra 24 seconds are: (spoilers ahead!) (2)

barryblack (31922) | more than 13 years ago | (#150339)

The 24s will probably be the extra 24 s found on the special edition laser disk. I haven't seen it in years, but as I recall it has something to do with different characters talking about what is the best scene in the movie. I believe they are debating the merrits of the vergins in the castle, with some characters thinking it is no more than a sad attempt to make some "pusy" jokes. Not really all that funny.
--------------------------------------

Re:What's so funny about Monty Python any more? (2)

slickwillie (34689) | more than 13 years ago | (#150343)

Maybe it's just that there hasn't been anything as funny since. I mean Tom Green sucking cow tit just isn't funny.

Re:What has happened to the cast? (3)

slickwillie (34689) | more than 13 years ago | (#150344)

Good riddance to him, the freeloading bastard.

Re:Kick ass. (2)

infodragon (38608) | more than 13 years ago | (#150347)

And there was much rejoycing.

YEAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!

I dunno... (2)

wiredog (43288) | more than 13 years ago | (#150348)

sound of screaming while falling off bridge

unreleased? (1)

Anopheles (43442) | more than 13 years ago | (#150349)

I remember having a LaserDisc with "24 Seconds of unreleased footage".. On the laserdisc, the extra footage was an introduction- auditions to find the right person to lead into the greatest story ever told, going through several people, and firing them before they get 10 seconds into their lines. My favorite was a Japanese take of the lines...

It wasn't too bad, but is probably more appropriate to be a trailer, I think. Maybe this movie will have a different 24 seconds of unreleased footage?

Re:What's so funny about Monty Python any more? (2)

Desert Raven (52125) | more than 13 years ago | (#150353)

>>It says a lot more about geek culture than about the quality of Monty Python's work that they've persisted as long as they have. <<

My my, what big egos we have here. Sorry to burst your bubble, but it's not just geeks who are die-hard Monty Python fans. Better than half the employees at the ambulance company my wife works for spontaneously recite Python quotes at appropriate/inappropriate moments. "It's just a flesh wound!" Most of them aren't even old enough to have seen ANY episodes while they were still being produced.

Python is still popular because it's that good. No political correctness, no over-sensitivity, just pure timeless fun. (and fanatical devotion to the pope)

Lemon Curry? (1)

grytpype (53367) | more than 13 years ago | (#150354)

o
oh
ohh ohhh
ohhhh!

24 More Seconds! (1)

blazerw11 (68928) | more than 13 years ago | (#150363)

Now go ayway or I will taunt you a secohnt time!

Repeated six extra times would give you the extra 24 secohnts and the movie would only be better!

I know what the 24 seconds will be (5)

Jailbrekr (73837) | more than 13 years ago | (#150368)

It will be 24 seconds of them discussing about the previously unseen 24 seconds of footage..... and it'll prolly go on for at least 5 minutes.....

Re:What's so funny about Monty Python any more? (1)

selectspec (74651) | more than 13 years ago | (#150369)

I have a theory about Monty Python.

The theory is mine. I came up with the theory in its entirely, and only I should take credit for its creation. The theory is not GPL'd so don't fuck with my theory.

The theory is this:

Monty Python according to my theory, an idea that occured to me, and no one else, can be best understood in the following way:

The theory is as follows:

Taking them as a whole, the perspective of my approach, one can clearly see, although only I have noted this observation, the point of view and prinicples outlined within my theory, a theory belonging to me, and to no one else.

The theory:

Monty Python is not a snake.

This is my theory, my theory along, beloning to me...

Holy Grail Script (3)

selectspec (74651) | more than 13 years ago | (#150370)

Here's the script [oraclehumor.com]

Re:What has happened to the cast? (1)

ArtDent (83554) | more than 13 years ago | (#150374)

Terry Jones wrote a novel, published in 1997, based on Douglas Adams' computer game Starship Titanic. He tries to immitate Adams' writing style, but comes up short.

Terry Gilliam's first net experience (5)

epeus (84683) | more than 13 years ago | (#150377)

That reminds me. Long ago in 1992, when the net was younger than it is now, I was working in London for the MultiMedia Corporation on a CD-Rom with Douglas Adams. He was friends with the various pythons, and he suggested that Terry Gilliam dropped in to see what we were doing with our computers.

We showed him our CD-ROM titles, and an early version of QuickTime, and mentioned Usenet in passing. he expressed interest, so we sat him down in front of the Mac that had the modem (in our cable cupboard) and showed him alt.fan.monty-python.

He was fascinated, and sat there reading it for at least 40 minutes. I remember him seeing someone ask for the script to Holy Grail and him posting his production company address for them to get a copy (of course somone else posted the entire script the next day, and no-one ever believed that Terry Gilliam was posting from our address).

Re:What's so funny about Monty Python any more? (1)

phunhippy (86447) | more than 13 years ago | (#150378)

Kinda wish i had moderator status right now.. not sure if i would rate this as flamebait or Funny... still debating hehe.. NIIIII!

ex-Python Chapman (1)

kindbud (90044) | more than 13 years ago | (#150380)

Graham Chapman is stone cold dead. He is an ex-Python. If his feet weren't nailed to the... oh never mind.

You who are so wise in the ways of science. (1)

wharfrat (90464) | more than 13 years ago | (#150381)

What is the flight volocity of an unlaiden swollow?

European or African?

way to get my hopes up (2)

cheezus (95036) | more than 13 years ago | (#150382)

we're not talking a star wars type re-release here. it's only being shown in certain cities on certain days to hype up the release of the movie on DVD. there's fat chance it will ever make it to anywhere within a few hours driving distance of where i live.

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Re:IN A.D. 952 (1)

Ziviyr (95582) | more than 13 years ago | (#150383)

If he were a troll he'd be asking you your favorite color. :-)


Re:What has happened to the cast? (1)

tokengeekgrrl (105602) | more than 13 years ago | (#150387)

Really, this isn't hard to find out -- you just haven't kept up.

Hence, why I'm asking. Thanks for the information.

- tokengeekgrrl

Re:What's so funny about Monty Python any more? (1)

tokengeekgrrl (105602) | more than 13 years ago | (#150388)

I stand corrected. My extremely conservative, Catholic parents, however, weren't offended and allowed me to watch them so that's my frame of reference.

- tokengeekgrrl

What has happened to the cast? (2)

tokengeekgrrl (105602) | more than 13 years ago | (#150389)

John Cleese has made a few movies. Terry Gilliam has directed a few. Michael Palin I believe has landed some TV sitcom roles. What about Graham Chapman, Eric Idle and Terry Jones? Where did they go? They all are so whacked and talented which is desperately needed given the mindless mediocre drivel that is put out by the major studios.

- tokengeekgrrl

Re:What's so funny about Monty Python any more? (2)

tokengeekgrrl (105602) | more than 13 years ago | (#150390)

It says a lot more about geek culture than about the quality of Monty Python's work that they've persisted as long as they have.

Except that some of us started watching Monty Python's Flying Circus and various movies before we were ever geeks. Monty Python is unique in that they make fun of conservative cultural values and religion in such a way that they don't piss anyone off. Why? Because they're funny. Because there is something about the social properness that is conveyed by the British accent accompanied with insanity and nonsense that evokes humor. Canadian comedians like Kids in the Hall have the same quality about them as well; however, it is a quality, I think, that most American comedians have not and may never master and a timeless one that can appeal to anyone of any generation, in my opinion. Monty Python Live at the Hollywood Bowl, for example, is brilliantly funny.

- tokengeekgrrl

Re:Check out BBC.co.uk (2)

tokengeekgrrl (105602) | more than 13 years ago | (#150391)

Thank you so much for the information. I've already seen all the movies you have listed. Brazil is one of my favorites. I was thinking in terms of within the past decade up until today.

Regards,
tokengeekgrrl

Some random 411 (1)

mshomphe (106567) | more than 13 years ago | (#150392)

The first showing, in Los Angeles, has already sold out (not surprisingly). John Cleese and Eric Idle will be making personal appearences there, at the NuArt Theater.

Re:And the extra 24 seconds are: (spoilers ahead!) (1)

Jbrecken (107271) | more than 13 years ago | (#150393)

I would have guessed it was the cartoon that was your prize at the end of the computer game.

Re:What's so funny about Monty Python any more? (3)

Lucretius (110272) | more than 13 years ago | (#150395)

Well, I will say one thing for this post, it definitely has attracted quite a bit of attention and quite a bit of responses, so I figure its time for me to do my part and have part in this lovely little response fest as well. Afterall, what is life without mob mentality (She's a witch!!!).

There's been a whole lot of progress in the last thirty years. Monty Python may have been pioneers of a sort, and they sure made the BBC cringe like no one had before. But do they really hold a candle to Full House or Pee Wee's Great Adventure or any of the other brilliant programs that have followed? No.

Well, there has been a whole lot of progress in all sorts of things. But does it make those things which made the foundation upon which the other stuff stands obsolete? Not at all... comedy is not technology, it does not become obsolete . When one thinks about it, why would comedy become obsolete? We could really get into the theory of comedy (I know many a person who has taken the class), but that's just going to be wasting our time. A good deal of Python's comedy was done in such a way that it was rather universal, which is why they succeeded in many different cultures rather than just ours.

Saying that comedy becomes obsolete like technology is like saying that literature becomes obsolete like technology. Thus, we should not go back and read anything that was prodcued before 1995 as it has all been said more recently and more relevant to our times. This is hardly ever the case. Quite often, the newer material is stuff that was pretty much ripped off from the original and done in the manner of a cheap hack, which would then give me less pleasure than the pure original. Why then would I bother with something that is modern and not purely original when I could have the pure sources? Well, that is simple as well... they new people have something new to offer above and beyond what the original source did.

What conclusions have we come to in this posting. Basically that saying anything old is categorically better than something new is wrong, and vice versa. Python continues to exist and be popular because people enjoy it, and other stuff isn't as appealing to them. It will continue to be so as long as these conditions exist.

By the way, I'll try to ignore the fact that you even brought up Full House in comparison to Holy Grail and Pee Wee's Big Adventure.

Re:What's so funny about Monty Python any more? (1)

nobody69 (116149) | more than 13 years ago | (#150400)

I wish I had mod points to give you, sir.

Re:What's so funny about Monty Python any more? (1)

malfunct (120790) | more than 13 years ago | (#150401)

I disagree with your premise. How "good" a song is can be measured many different ways. Its obvious that the qualities that the song had when it was popular are still present today, I mean the music did not change. The value that people assign to those qualities however has changed.

In the end people that have real quality music will have a certain amount of popularity for the rest of time like Elvis. The same thing goes for quality humor like Month Python.

Why? (1)

thridur (132896) | more than 13 years ago | (#150409)

A couple years ago, a local theater showed the Holy Grail as part of a midnight movie series on Saturday nights. Let's just say it was somewhat frustrating. Do you really want to sit in a theater full of people who all think they know the lines and insist on speaking along with the people on screen? It's much more enjoyable just to watch it on video at home and recite the lines with a few of your buddies. :)

Re:What has happened to the cast? (1)

jedwards (135260) | more than 13 years ago | (#150411)

Graham Chapman got a permanent position pushing up the daisies :-(

and then ... spank me (1)

Rev.LoveJoy (136856) | more than 13 years ago | (#150413)

Oh ... well perhaps I could stay for a little while.

Re:Holy Grail Script (1)

broken77 (143273) | more than 13 years ago | (#150418)

You're assuming that I don't have every line of the movie memorized... I know I'm not the only one who visits this site that can say that :-)

Dreams do come true! (1)

Smuffe (152444) | more than 13 years ago | (#150422)

Wow! This is one of my favourite movies of all time! Only catch is, I didn't think the Python gang wanted this to be re-released?
Anyway, its nice to get a chance to relive all the classic moments (Its just a flesh wound!) on the big screen. Anybody know if there is a DVD release of this film?
/Smuffe

Re:What has happened to the cast? (1)

Smuffe (152444) | more than 13 years ago | (#150423)

Graham Chapman unfortunately died of cancer. Eric Idle has directed a movie or two and I'm not sure, but I think he's landed a couple of theater gigs. Terry Jones seems to be around the directors chair as well.

Re:What's so funny about Monty Python any more? (1)

Smuffe (152444) | more than 13 years ago | (#150424)

But do they really hold a candle to Full House or Pee Wee's Great Adventure or any of the other brilliant programs that have followed? Seriously, do you really think Full House is better than Python? Everyone is entitled to his opinion, but come on!
I agree however, that nostalgia is a powerful force, although I think you're stretching the conclusion a bit. ;D

Re:Which regional encoding? African or European? (1)

signingis (158683) | more than 13 years ago | (#150427)

It hit me about 2 seconds after I moved on to another website.

Re:What's so funny about Monty Python any more? (1)

NeMon'ess (160583) | more than 13 years ago | (#150431)

World-wide fame does not equal goodness. I disagree that Full House is more funny than Monty Python but it's obscurity does not diminish its quality. How many Elvis songs do geeks still like today? Go back thirty years and I guarantee many more geeks liked Elvis. He was a star the world over, but his popularity does not make his songs as good today as they were then.

Re:unreleased? (1)

SquadBoy (167263) | more than 13 years ago | (#150435)

I don't have a link just at the moment but there is a trailer with that in it. *Very* funny of course. I have always agreed with David Drake that the credits are just great. I wonder if this is the unrelease footage that Comedy Central was going on about a few years ago.

That's funny, I wasn't expecting a release of (2)

taliver (174409) | more than 13 years ago | (#150436)

The Holy grail, but then, maybe

NOBODY EXPECTS THE RE-RELEASE



Re:What's so funny about Monty Python any more? (1)

Reality Master 101 (179095) | more than 13 years ago | (#150438)

I don't know if this is a troll or not, but I mostly agree with this, except for one thing: I never found it funny.

Now, I can appreciate most forms of humor. I love the humor of Blazing Saddles. I love the Simpsons. I liked A Fish Called Wanda. I love black humor. I even love the stupid humor of Airplane.

But Monty Python has always caused me to shake my head and say "what is funny about this"? The formula seems to be "substitute random element in scene with a random object, and call it funny". For me, there has to be some modicum of cleverness, and I've just never seen any sort of cleverness in Monty Python.


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Re:What's so funny about Monty Python any more? (2)

Reality Master 101 (179095) | more than 13 years ago | (#150439)

comedy is not technology, it does not become obsolete

I don't think that is true. Ever watched any Keystone Cops? Or Laurel and Hardy? Or -- dare I say it -- I love lucy? These were considered hysterical in their time, but by today's standards, they seem quaint and unsophisticated. A lot of humor is timeless (Shakespeare), but a lot of it really requires living in the times and seeing it when it was innovative.


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Re:What's so funny about Monty Python any more? (3)

Ranalou (200662) | more than 13 years ago | (#150445)

He used... sarcasm. He knew all the tricks- dramatic irony, metaphor, bathos, puns, parody, litotes and satire. He was vicious.

(Monty Python, Episode 14)

--rana, who almost fell for this as serious until he read the "Full House or Pee Wee's Great Adventure" bit...

Kick ass. (1)

68030 (215387) | more than 13 years ago | (#150447)

All that needs to be said. (:

Which regional encoding? African or European? (5)

JohnTheFisherman (225485) | more than 13 years ago | (#150448)

;)

Check out BBC.co.uk (3)

jdev (227251) | more than 13 years ago | (#150449)

There is an excellent summary [bbc.co.uk] of the Monty Python cast's careers on BBC's site. There's also a bunch of other good info in their special report [bbc.co.uk] on the show.

They have really been too busy to put a thorough response here, but my personal fave's of their post-Monty Python work have been Brazil, The Adventures of Baron Munchausen, and A Fish Called Wanda.

Cut film's audio? (1)

sheetsda (230887) | more than 13 years ago | (#150453)

I'm not sure if this is the part of the scene they're adding back in, but some time ago I came across a short piece of audio cut from the Castle Anthrax scene of the movie. In case anyone wants to hear it, I just uploaded it to some of my webspace here [muohio.edu]

"// this is the most hacked, evil, bastardized thing I've ever seen. kjb"

Re:Extra footage (1)

sbest (236991) | more than 13 years ago | (#150459)

I recall the laserdisk version of the Grail actually has the scenes leading up to the "Get On with it!" yell. It has Zuet's twin sister Nina worrying if doing this scene at all was a good idea, with multiple flashes to other cast members (Tim, Old Man from scene 24, etc) all encouraging her, with increasing emphasis, to "Get on with it". She finally gets on with it when the crowd yells at her...

Dude... (1)

thelexx (237096) | more than 13 years ago | (#150460)

You're reading way too much into this. People still watch Chaplin and the Stooges for the love o'Pete. If something is really well done, almost no matter what it may be, it will generally have a fairly long shelf-life.

BTW, who do you think will be remembered more 100 years from now? The Python players or PeeWee? Nuff said.

LEXX

Re:Parody warning: (2)

grovertime (237798) | more than 13 years ago | (#150461)

Nice! This is the greatest news ever, but I can't believe they've actually managed to keep the extra footage a secret this long. Now if Cleese and co. could could just explain the Meaning of Life, I could rest soundly.

  1. is this.....is this for REAL? [mikegallay.com]

Re:What's so funny about Monty Python any more? (2)

lyapunov (241045) | more than 13 years ago | (#150463)

I disagree, the reason that the humor of Monty Python has persisted is that it appeals to all levels of a persons sense of humor, e.g. intellectual and physical gags. Most of the crap that is being produced now is simply done for shock value and not because it is really all that funny.

I seriously doubt that the reason that Monty Python has survived the last few decades has little to do with the geek culture. But if that is the line of thinking that you need to rationalize your behaviour or deal with insecurity, then be my guest.

Maybe in the future..... (1)

jarodss (243400) | more than 13 years ago | (#150465)

We can have spam on DVD.
Then we can show everyone that we are not Hommel eating freaks, we're just your average Python fans.

hurrah! (1)

Art_XIV (249990) | more than 13 years ago | (#150466)

This is just too Neeeeeeeeeet!

Knights who Say Ni (1)

Art_XIV (249990) | more than 13 years ago | (#150467)

Hopefully the seating will be nice, but not too expensive.

Unseen footage: (1)

spellcheckur (253528) | more than 13 years ago | (#150469)

The easiest way to identify the new footage:

Go see it in Boston (one of the 'lucky' cities getting the early release) and wait until you can actually hear the film.

With a couple hundred MIT übergeeks reciting every line, they're gonna drown out the original soundtrack.

Re:What's so funny about Monty Python any more? (1)

rohar (253766) | more than 13 years ago | (#150470)

Pee Wee's Great Adventure or any of the other brilliant programs
huh?


Whatcha doooo with those rollin' papers?
Make doooooobieees?

Wow.. Fortran & Monty Python (3)

rohar (253766) | more than 13 years ago | (#150471)

Great to see that we are right on the bleeding edge today.


Whatcha doooo with those rollin' papers?
Make doooooobieees?

Something as plainly timeless as this... (1)

GeckoX (259575) | more than 13 years ago | (#150472)

...and you STILL mod up a pathetic posting like this.

Did the moderators not notice that not ONE response to this posting agreed with it?

Boy, is /. ever fucked up, whoda ever guessed that Monty Python would be one day slammed by the very geeks that patroned it!

For shame!

Re:What's so funny about Monty Python any more? (1)

geomcbay (263540) | more than 13 years ago | (#150473)

I don't understand where Full House came from. Troll perhaps? Or is there some other Full House I'm not aware of (thinking of that terrible show with john stamos).

However, Pee Wee's Big Adventure is actually a great movie/comedy. Still one of Tim Burton's finest films. The sequel was...not so good, IMO.

Re:What's so funny about Monty Python any more? (1)

geomcbay (263540) | more than 13 years ago | (#150474)

I pretty much agree.

Its clear some of the participants in Monty Python were talented -- As you said, A Fish Called Wanda was very funny (as was the psuedo-sequel, er, Dangerous Creatures I think?). They were, of course, (co)written by John Cleese, who was a member of Monty Python. And Terry Gilliam is a brilliant director.

But when I watch the old Python stuff, TV series or movie, I just find myself not finding it very funny. Not because I don't 'get' it, because I do get the references, I just don't see much funny going on.

OTOH, I've never cared much for a lot of the 'BBC stuff', the comedies or the sci-fi series or the offshoots of such....The big exception being Douglas Adams, whose work I liked very much.

Re:What has happened to the cast? (1)

geomcbay (263540) | more than 13 years ago | (#150475)

Eric Idle has been a slew of movies, usually in bit parts, and has done a lot of voice work as well.

Graham Chapman is, well, dead, so he isn't doing much these days.

IMDB (www.imdb.com) is a pretty great resource for looking things like this up, btw.

geeks don't go to theatres (1)

wroot (264810) | more than 13 years ago | (#150476)

geeks d/l mpegs and watch them.

Re:Dreams do come true! (1)

anon757 (265661) | more than 13 years ago | (#150477)

Yes, there is. I own it.

Re:What has happened to the cast? (1)

Regolith (322916) | more than 13 years ago | (#150483)

I know I've seen Eric Idle in at least a couple of the Chevy Chase Vacation movies. Has he moved more into directing now?

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24 (2)

loydcc (325726) | more than 13 years ago | (#150485)

All they could dig up was 24 seconds? Are they saving 2 seconds for the DVD release at Christmas?

Re:Dreams do come true! (1)

mikehasnoluck (416017) | more than 13 years ago | (#150487)

Yes there is, although I got my copy as a gift, so I don't know where it came from. I'd say you could probably get it on Amazon, but you know how we all feel about Amazon. ;)

24 Whole seconds? (1)

alexmogil (442209) | more than 13 years ago | (#150488)

I'm really ambivalent about this. I seriously love the movie, but having seen the film billions of times, owning it on DVD, seeing the extra footage (if it's the extra footage I'm thinking of it's the 'Get on with it!!!' scenes)... I dunno. Stereo sound? Mmkay. There something more attractive about seeing this film at home where you can guffaw and sing along to a TV screen versus being in a theater with a bunch of people constantly correcting your dictation of little-known lines, or screaming NI! at every possible interval. Maybe that's just me. Stuff in theaters today isn't 1/10th as good as this film.Alex

I hate to break it to you (2)

sllort (442574) | more than 13 years ago | (#150491)

...but this is just a natural consequence of the Hollywood Writer's Strike [cnn.com] . Studios are saving what good scripts they have, hedging their bets with old cult classics and stuff like Monty Python. Yes, we all love it, but do you really want to be a pawn for the studios, watching this scab movie while underpaid screen writers strike in solidarity?

The longer the studios can pull stuff like this, the more time they have to organize a flood of illegal Mexican writers to take the place of hard working American script writers. If we continue to allow the studios to recycle old movies while the Writers Guild withers, the lower the chances that the sequel to Battlefield Earth will ever be made.

Don't pawn our future for a few cheap laughs. Rent it on video instead.

Re:What's so funny about Monty Python any more? (1)

bartle (447377) | more than 13 years ago | (#150493)

Thirty years ago, sure. Back in the late sixties and early seventies, the civilized world plus Yorkshire was a bleak and desolate place devoid of joy and humor. But why do people still find Monty Python funny today? There's been a whole lot of progress in the last thirty years. Monty Python may have been pioneers of a sort, and they sure made the BBC cringe like no one had before. But do they really hold a candle to Full House or Pee Wee's Great Adventure or any of the other brilliant programs that have followed? No.

No, you're wrong, people love it because it's funny. Perhaps you never got anything out of it, but a lot of other people have. As to why is it funny... one might as well ask why anything is funny. It's absurd and rediculous, yet all of it's humor is seeded with that all important grain of truth. Though it was meant to lampoon Morte D'Arthur, it's humor was a good deal more general than the subject matter. Not to mention the Python players, they played the whole thing through like actors rather than comedians.

I saw Holy Grail for the first time nearly 10 years ago, I had to pause halfway through the opening credits because I was laughing so hard. In the years hence I've come across people from various backgrounds and with various interests that enjoyed the movie. I suspect far from dying out, the movie will remain popular for at least this next generation.

My thought: (1)

ColGraff (454761) | more than 13 years ago | (#150497)

Run away! Run away!

Why are you making horse noises with coconut shells?

The thing that makes Monty Python special (2)

ColGraff (454761) | more than 13 years ago | (#150498)

The thing that makes Monty Python special isn't the way it spoofs everyday life and intellectuals all at the same time. It isn't the knights who say "nee" or the killer bunny or the nymphomaniacal nuns or even "Run away! Run Away!"

What makes Monty Python truly a treasure is the sum of all of these, the simple fact that I am laughing as I write this, and yes, I did laugh when I read the oher posts quoting python. Not because of the quotes, but because of the scenes and movies they remind me of. Yes, you can take the knights who say "nee" and the killer bunner, and perhaps even the nuns, and say "this isn't funny." But put it all together with the complete sincerity of the actors, the unashamed cheesiness of the sets, and somehow the whole is funnier than any of the parts.

The way that the characters react to their situations also increases the funniness factor. Those knights were truly terrified of a small bunny rabbit.

Re:and then ... spank me (1)

Ambient Sheep (458624) | more than 13 years ago | (#150499)

and me!

Only ~ $.29/sec (1)

A Commentor (459578) | more than 13 years ago | (#150503)

So if the tickets cost $7, you will be paying about $0.29 per sec for the extra 24 secs...

Since everyone has already seen the rest of the movie enough times to recite by memory, you can't associate any of the $7 to original film.

Do you need buy.com coupons [garlanger.com]

24 missing seconds... (3)

Anomynous Cowand (459781) | more than 13 years ago | (#150504)

...is just not enough.

I was hoping they would include the "King Brian the Wild" segment from the original script. That was a seriously funny bit.

For those who haven't at least read it, King Brian is a bit "authoritarian." All of his subjects were missing one of their arms, presumably because an arm offended the king one day. (Except for the archers, who are missing one leg, but that's a different gag.) Anyway. King Brian doesn't like close harmony groups. Well, he has auditions for close harmony groups, and for every group that auditions he has the aforementioned archers execute when they've finished! The king enjoys this immensely.

King Arthur and his men pass through his land, and are "pressed" into auditioning, even though they consider themselves more of a "chorus" than a "close harmony group." Not too many close harmony groups are auditioning these days, so they're always trying to get new talent in the door for the king's amusement.

Anyway, it's a great bit, too bad they didn't have it on film. After reading the script, I was hoping that it was simply cut from the final release, rather than never having been filmed at all.

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