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Microsoft Reputation Manager's Guide To Xbox One

timothy posted about a year ago | from the good-question-glad-you-asked-that dept.

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symbolset writes "In the wake of a disastrous E3 product reveal Microsoft has purportedly distributed a confidential internal 100-point 'FAQ' for the Xbox One that reads like it's from the Ministry of Truth. It was of course immediately leaked on pastebin. Kotaku has the story and an amusing online poll. In the discussion below make sure to line up the FAQ entries with the AC comments for extra 'Informative' moderation."

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Damage control (5, Insightful)

girlintraining (1395911) | about a year ago | (#44025183)

This just in: The XBone One has managed to achieve what the Dreamcast couldn't... blowing up prior to launch. The Dreamcast at least fired the engines before exploding in a firey storm of shit. Which, given that their customers seem to be EA games and other publishers, and not, you know, people who are going to buy the console... seems about right.

There are Kickstarter consoles still on the drawing board, I mean, not even prototypes available yet, that have more pre-orders than the XBone. I don't think they could fail harder. Unless (dramatic pause) ... they bring Square Enix to headline this collossal cluster f*ck.

Re:Damage control (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44025215)

...cluster f*ck...

Why do you do that? Is that the girl in you that is afraid to cuss in a room full of guys, so you pretend you didn't? Don't be a weirdo prude. Let it out! You don't need permission to speak freely here.

Re:Damage control (-1, Troll)

noh8rz10 (2716597) | about a year ago | (#44025313)

i don't understand and maybe I missed it in the news but there's no link in the summary... why was the XBone having a bad launch at E3? it seems like a cool product to me.

Re:Damage control (5, Informative)

Nerdfest (867930) | about a year ago | (#44025331)

Must connect to the internet once a day or locks you out, extreme limitations on lending or buying used games, etc. An excellent reason to play Steam games under Linux overall.

Re:Damage control (-1, Troll)

noh8rz10 (2716597) | about a year ago | (#44025363)

do you really think anybody cares about the limitations? i just want to play fun, good quality games. shit games are shit even if i buy them used. i have xbox online anyway so there's no difference it if phones home. in short, mountians out of molehills, you know what that means?

Re:Damage control (5, Insightful)

Noland150 (847733) | about a year ago | (#44025395)

I care about the broadband internet requirement since I live where none is available. I know we are a minority, but there are millions of us.

Economies of scale (0, Flamebait)

tepples (727027) | about a year ago | (#44025433)

I care about the broadband internet requirement since I live where none is available. I know we are a minority, but there are millions of us.

Tens of millions of urbanites are more profitable than millions of ruralites.

Re:Economies of scale (5, Insightful)

GigaplexNZ (1233886) | about a year ago | (#44025561)

I'm sure knowing that is going to make the millions of ruralites feel much better about the situation knowing they're taking one for the team.

Re:Economies of scale (4, Insightful)

PopeRatzo (965947) | about a year ago | (#44025575)

Tens of millions of urbanites are more profitable than millions of ruralites.

But without the phoning home requirement, you'd get some of those millions of "ruralites" to buy an XBox One.

Re:Damage control (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44025411)

some do care and some do not, I know I won't buy it.
And if I buy it, that's because it's moddable and can do cool things with it.

Sony learnt it with the GeoHotz case, do not fuck with users' features! If I get an xbox it mean someone hacked it and made it possible to copy games. It does the backward effects on my, it drives me to piracy. I used to buy used games all the times, I am going to the 360 a little bit longer.
Thanks

Re:Damage control (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44025429)

You are Microsoft's market. People who want to play games and are willing to let Microsoft fuck them silly as long as they get to play. Without you and those like you they'd die a miserable death. It remains to be seen how many people are willing to bend over like that. I guess we will find out soon.

Re:Damage control (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44025457)

wow, i knew we'd have a tardy fanboy defending oppressive DRM sooner or later. cool.

Re:Damage control (4, Insightful)

YrWrstNtmr (564987) | about a year ago | (#44025489)

do you really think anybody cares about the limitations? i just want to play fun, good quality games. shit games are shit even if i buy them used. i have xbox online anyway so there's no difference it if phones home. in short, mountians out of molehills, you know what that means?

A couple million military members and contractors do care about that. Phone home once a day? Hardcore region locked? Always on microphone? Not happening.

Re:Damage control (5, Insightful)

symbolset (646467) | about a year ago | (#44025551)

do you really think anybody cares about the limitations?

Yes. If it was so different and awesome in architecture that it delivered really innovative stuff then this might be OK. But it uses the same processor, slower RAM, more RAM reserved for OS, slower GPU. The hardware is in every way equal or worse - so the software and terms must be better to compensate - and they aren't.

Re:Damage control (4, Insightful)

girlintraining (1395911) | about a year ago | (#44025421)

Must connect to the internet once a day or locks you out, extreme limitations on lending or buying used games, etc. An excellent reason to play Steam games under Linux overall.

Normally I'd snark this, but I got nothing. I mean, I'm just bone dry here. It's so stupidifying that I think it may have temporarily caused my brain to seize up like an old VW bug.

Re:Damage control (0, Troll)

batkiwi (137781) | about a year ago | (#44025459)

After you buy a game on steam you don't ever have to connect to the internet again.

If you load a game on a laptop and take it with you on vacation you can play the games.

If your internet goes out for a week you can play the games.

If you troll the forums and get your account banned you can play the games (just not online MP). (With the xbone, if your live account is banned you lose access to all of your games, even singleplayer)

So I'm not certain what your point was, perhaps you can elaborate?

Re:Damage control (-1, Troll)

recoiledsnake (879048) | about a year ago | (#44025497)

(With the xbone, if your live account is banned you lose access to all of your games, even singleplayer)

Please stop making up shit, that's why I hate this circlejerk of hate and its disregard for facts. Or maybe Sony's reputation management has been very successful planting lies on Reddit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lMhjM9BK7M [youtube.com]

Re:Damage control (3, Insightful)

GigaplexNZ (1233886) | about a year ago | (#44025585)

It wouldn't be the first time a PR guy has lied.

Re:Damage control (1)

Hachima (718971) | about a year ago | (#44025589)

This is not true. For example Anno 2070 on Steam 3rd-party DRM: Solidshield Tages SAS 3 machine activation limit Steam games are allowed to use any DRM they want. So it has both machine activation limits and at one time required an internet connection to play until Ubisoft changed it. You can buy MMOs on steam which require a subscription plus internet connection to play. Steam is a publisher and distributor. If they aren't the publisher, the game may come with an internet required DRM system.

Re:Damage control (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44025531)

You got nothing because you clearly don't understand how Steam works...

Re:Damage control (3, Funny)

girlintraining (1395911) | about a year ago | (#44025359)

i don't understand and maybe I missed it in the news but there's no link in the summary... why was the XBone having a bad launch at E3? it seems like a cool product to me.

Sir, I'm going to have to ask for your geek badge. Anonymous Cowards -- please escort this person from the building, and then give him a 20 second head start before releasing the dogs. If he replies to this comment, reduce it to 10 seconds.

Re:Damage control (0)

noh8rz10 (2716597) | about a year ago | (#44025373)

frownie face! still no link... my priorities: 1) assassin's creed 4 must be awesome. 2) no rrod. then i am a happy camper!

Re:Damage control (2)

Luckyo (1726890) | about a year ago | (#44025521)

You should be looking at the PC version then, as it is known to be far superior to console versions if you're in it for just one game.

Re:Damage control (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44025381)

http://i.imgur.com/hCn6DQc.png

Re:Damage control (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44025609)

and YOU! Why are you asking this question by responding to the GPs remark to the GGP that has nothing to do with anything???

Do people not know how threaded discussions work? OY.

Re:Damage control (4, Insightful)

recoiledsnake (879048) | about a year ago | (#44025275)

There are Kickstarter consoles still on the drawing board, I mean, not even prototypes available yet, that have more pre-orders than the XBone. I don't think they could fail harder. Unless (dramatic pause) ... they bring Square Enix to headline this collossal cluster f*ck.

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Citation badly needed.

Re:Damage control (2, Interesting)

girlintraining (1395911) | about a year ago | (#44025405)

Citation badly needed.

Well, since you were a bit non-specific on what you're feeling butthurt about, I'll have to guess...Holy shit, a console made out of spare parts still has a better rep than the Xbone [kickstarter.com] . Allows you to run your own software. Costs $99. 63,000 pre-orders. Meanwhile, at Microsoft HQ... "There aren't any official numbers..." (troll face)

Ouya vs. Wii U graphics (1)

tepples (727027) | about a year ago | (#44025453)

How does the achievable graphical complexity of the GPU in the Tegra 3 SOC of this "Ouya" console compare to that of the Latte GPU in Nintendo's Wii U?

Re:Damage control (2, Insightful)

recoiledsnake (879048) | about a year ago | (#44025511)

Citation badly needed.

Well, since you were a bit non-specific on what you're feeling butthurt about, I'll have to guess...Holy shit, a console made out of spare parts still has a better rep than the Xbone [kickstarter.com] . Allows you to run your own software. Costs $99. 63,000 pre-orders. Meanwhile, at Microsoft HQ... "There aren't any official numbers..." (troll face)

Where are the hard numbers from Sony on PS4 sales? According to your logic, that must mean the Ouya has a "better rep" and more orders than the PS4, right?

Re:Damage control (1)

symbolset (646467) | about a year ago | (#44025449)

Actually I have a dual core Kickstarter ARM/Android gamestick platform I picked up at Walmart for $79 a couple months ago. It was kickstarted. It's Equiso. The controller sucks, but the stick is first rate with 1080p and Google Play. Fortunately decent compatible controllers can be had for twelve bucks on Amazon.

Re:Damage control (1)

recoiledsnake (879048) | about a year ago | (#44025581)

Thanks for the citation showing that consoles on Kickstarter have more preorders than the Xbox One. Oh wait....

Re:Damage control (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44025513)

Seriously, do you have any life whatsoever outside of making first post trolls about Microsoft and the Xbox One?

People said the same thing you just did about the PS3 being late and overpriced, and it still sold 80M units. And the Xbox One sold out it's initial inventory in a bit over 4 hours. There is absolutely nothing outside your uninformed opinion that indicates it will be a short or long term failure.

Spin it all you like guys ... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44025185)

For some of us, you've already lost the sale. Always on internet is a killer for many of us, since it's mostly taking away our freedom.

Fuck Xbox One.

Re:Spin it all you like guys ... (-1, Troll)

Mr. Chow (2860963) | about a year ago | (#44025269)

I don't think many people will care about the need to always be online. It won't prevent me from playing as often as I like as long as the servers are always working since the only time my internet is out is when my power is as well. It also does not impact my feeling of privaciy as any console that you ever plan on hooking up to the internet again is in no way more private than one that is always online, unless you plan on wiping the hard drive every time you want to go online. Let's also not forget that Sony has had way more security issues with the PS3 than Microsoft has had with the 360. I think the decision is more likely to come down to price; personally, I'm happy to pay $100 more for the new Kinect.

Re:Spin it all you like guys ... (3)

VortexCortex (1117377) | about a year ago | (#44025361)

Are you happy about paying for XBL just so the machine you bought can utilize the Internet you pay for to verify you're not a criminal when you try to play the games you pay for?

Re:Spin it all you like guys ... (2, Informative)

noh8rz10 (2716597) | about a year ago | (#44025377)

link or gtfo? i don't think you need XBL for the phone home functionality.

Re:Spin it all you like guys ... (-1, Redundant)

recoiledsnake (879048) | about a year ago | (#44025541)

PS4 also requires a paid monthly subscription to play multiplayer games.

Atleast with the Xbox One, if you have a bunch of games, you needn't go to the trouble of changing the disc inside the console everytime to verify you're not a criminal when you try to play the games you pay for. Why have a 500GB disc if you have to insert disc everytime to play?

Re:Spin it all you like guys ... (0)

JMJimmy (2036122) | about a year ago | (#44025617)

500gb disc will get eaten up in no time. You'll be micromanaging your installs/DLC before you hit 50 games - I currently have over 700 xbox 360 games and can't even fit the DLC/GoD/XBLA across 640gb.

Spending more time installing/deleting is a stupid idea - one of the reasons I went for 360 instead of PS3, I could just put it in and play where the PS3 could take up to 2 hours to download system updates/install/download game updates/etc. before you could actually play the game.

Xbox Lame One is a failure through and through.

Re:Spin it all you like guys ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44025393)

You seem to be missing the point... Too much I, me, my...

I will not buy it. Period. Same reason I won't buy Sim City 5.

So please don't include me in your "don't think many people" assessment. "Always on" is an abomination that needs to be killed. Why remove ALL CHOICE from those who don't want it?

Re:Spin it all you like guys ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44025435)

Nicely spun. That's perfectly right, little consumers, the device in your living room which watches everything you do and reports back to its mother servers every day on a PRISM laden network is perfectly benign. Oh, and all those 'pay per level' fractional download content subscription monitization schemes that you love to hate, here is a whole entire 'clouded' up console built fundamentally on them! You still get to pay 59.99 per game mind you, we'll just automagically grant you access to it, don't worry about it, we never forget anything, and our technology never goes wrong,

Our marketing team swears to you that nothing could possibly go wrong!

Re:Spin it all you like guys ... (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44025463)

Yes, most people have internet and it won't really matter. However, as it was discussed at my work today being in the military, if we are deployed or on a ship your console is now dead weight because you're sure as hell not getting internet access for your Xbox. If your fortunate to be somewhere not getting shot to shit and have power and downtime anyway. Everyone who does buy consoles basically decided fuck you Microsoft, no sale until you fix it. And they will once they get enough bad PR.

Re:Spin it all you like guys ... (3, Insightful)

oogoliegoogolie (635356) | about a year ago | (#44025547)

You pretty much make the point why the XBone should be avoided when you said "It won't prevent me from playing as often as I like as long as the servers are always working..."

I'm happy to pay $100 more for the new Kinect
I'm not! $100 just so I can wave my hand to switch channels?

Re:Spin it all you like guys ... (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44025605)

PlaysForSure

Re:Spin it all you like guys ... (-1, Troll)

zrelativity (963547) | about a year ago | (#44025385)

I certainly will be buying a XBOXONE. I think the price difference for having the Kinect will pay off very well. Because this is integral part of the device, it will have applications developed using its capabilities. It will enhance and enable many new genre of games.

Also, the 24h license check can work out great for me (its not always internet connected). If this allows me to share my library, loan games with my kids and friends who live across the country - this is great feature. This DRM is way more friendly than what you find with Apple store, Google play or indeed Steam (whom many in this forum will also praise).

Re:Spin it all you like guys ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44025503)

I certainly will be buying a XBOXONE. I think the price difference for having the Kinect will pay off very well. Because this is integral part of the device, it will have applications developed using its capabilities. It will enhance and enable many new genre of games.

Also, the 24h license check can work out great for me (its not always internet connected). If this allows me to share my library, loan games with my kids and friends who live across the country - this is great feature. This DRM is way more friendly than what you find with Apple store, Google play or indeed Steam (whom many in this forum will also praise).

When they shut down the servers and leave you with an unusable piece of hardware you deserve exactly what you got.

Re:Spin it all you like guys ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44025523)

And some people might even believe you are serious! The box will know when you walk in the room and track you as you move about, watching your eye movements to know when you watch commercials and when you don't, and you think this is a good plan? Right.

Re:Spin it all you like guys ... (1)

Mark4ST (249650) | about a year ago | (#44025525)

Yeah... how am I going to use this where there is no internet? Like on a boat at sea, or down a mineshaft? OR A RURAL AREA?

Re:Spin it all you like guys ... (1)

girlintraining (1395911) | about a year ago | (#44025543)

For some of us, you've already lost the sale. Always on internet is a killer for many of us, since it's mostly taking away our freedom.

You're kidding right? The current generation's mantra is "They can take away our freedom, but they'll never take away our always-connected internet!"

Re:Spin it all you like guys ... (5, Insightful)

PopeRatzo (965947) | about a year ago | (#44025593)

Fuck Xbox One.

And what a great time, coincidentally, for there to be a renaissance in PC gaming.

Now having had a peek at the next-gen consoles, I realize I've never been happier about being a PC gamer.

Ignore the FUD, here's the truth (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44025195)

Netcraft confirms it, the XBone will definitely add 3-4" to your penis after only one use!

LMFTFY (0)

symbolset (646467) | about a year ago | (#44025203)

3-4"

- 3-4"

Was probably a /. formatting bug. You are forgiven.

Re:Ignore the FUD, here's the truth (4, Informative)

rrohbeck (944847) | about a year ago | (#44025491)

3-4=-1.

Beware Internet Echo Chambers (5, Insightful)

blarkon (1712194) | about a year ago | (#44025209)

Remember the rage around here a few years back when Sony nixed Linux on PS3. Or the whole "rootkit fiasco"? Amazing how quickly past outrage is forgotten.

Re:Beware Internet Echo Chambers (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44025239)

Remember the number of people who signed a "I will not buy MW2 if it doesn't include dedicated servers" and subsequently were playing it on launch day?

Re:Beware Internet Echo Chambers (4, Insightful)

girlintraining (1395911) | about a year ago | (#44025291)

Remember the rage around here a few years back when Sony nixed Linux on PS3. Or the whole "rootkit fiasco"? Amazing how quickly past outrage is forgotten.

There's incompetence, and then there's monumental epic cluster fuck moments of total and abject negligence like this. Sony throwing root kits onto CDs and nixing Linux on the PS3 were just bad decisions. Dumb decisions. The development of the XBone makes that look like someone flushing a cherry bomb down the toilet compared to a FAE.

This isn't normal stupid... this is weapons grade stupid.

Re:Beware Internet Echo Chambers (5, Insightful)

marcosdumay (620877) | about a year ago | (#44025371)

Let me see it I got that right: Sonny p0wing your computer is just stupid, but MS making an always online console is weapons grade stupid? I got that right?

Also, why does nobody remember the "always on" feature of the MS Teleprompt?

Re:Beware Internet Echo Chambers (4, Insightful)

girlintraining (1395911) | about a year ago | (#44025515)

Let me see it I got that right: Sonny p0wing your computer is just stupid, but MS making an always online console is weapons grade stupid? I got that right?

Sony got found out pretty early on there, bud. See, that's the awesome part about even the partly open systems of the Windows world. You can't hide your dirty laundry for long.. and let's be honest: There's people out there far better than Sony at this. It was amateur hour, okay? This was a middle manager telling his engineers to make this happen "or else", and not much more thought put into it than that, because he read in a trade show mag somewhere it was his duty to defend the company from the evil pirates by any means necessary, ethics be damned. And the poor bastard fell into that pit trap and took the whole company's public reputation with him.

It was stupid, ill-thought out, and poorly executed.

Now on the other side, we have the XBone... it's watching you like some creepy stalker, while you undress, while you watch TV.. recording everything you do... it makes the NSA's capturing of your phone's "meta data" look positively germane. I mean, they're making no bones about the XBone's objective here: It's to hoover-vac every last shred of privacy you ever had and sell it to the highest bidder.

This was deliberate, well thought out, well-funded, and the only thing that was poorly executed here was the public relations. They've come out looking like some lovecraftian horror beast about to be sent back into the deep by Johnny Depp wearing a pirate hat... They served their asses on a silver platter. But no... there is no contest here man. Not. Even. Fucking. Close.

Re:Beware Internet Echo Chambers (2)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | about a year ago | (#44025529)

Also, why does nobody remember the "always on" feature of the MS Teleprompt?

Because nobody knows wtf that is. [google.com]

Re:Beware Internet Echo Chambers (1)

Squiddie (1942230) | about a year ago | (#44025535)

Companies can change. If they see the error of their ways and start pleasing the customer, they should be rewarded. We shouldn't hold grudges. It's not like Sony is murdering baby seals. If MS reverses their policies, I think games should forgive them. Of course, the PS4 is still more powerful and cheaper, so if I do get a console this time around, I might pick one up. That's assuming most of those games don't turn up on PC, which they might with the hole x86 CPU both of them have going on there.

Re:Beware Internet Echo Chambers (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44025611)

Nah, it's pretty close to the same level of stupid... it's just that sony admitted it might have screwed up a bit at the time if you knew where to look... whereas microsoft are busy agreeing that yes it is unfortunate but we're absolutely so excited to be able to offer this *incredible* condescention at no extra cost!

Re:Beware Internet Echo Chambers (1)

El_Oscuro (1022477) | about a year ago | (#44025315)

I do remember the rootkit fisaco. And I haven't purchased a sony product since.

Re:Beware Internet Echo Chambers (3, Insightful)

sourcerror (1718066) | about a year ago | (#44025319)

Just think about how many people is affected by the removal of OtherOS, and how many by the 24 hour authentication.

Re:Beware Internet Echo Chambers (3, Insightful)

Triv (181010) | about a year ago | (#44025327)

Sony may have screwed up in the past, but they also generated a metric fuckton of goodwill at E3. That press conference was a marvel of modern brand messaging. It convinced a lot of people not at all interested in this generation of console, myself included, to seriously consider a PS4.

There's principle, and there's bloody-mindedness for the sake of itself. It's okay to change your mind.

Re:Beware Internet Echo Chambers (5, Interesting)

Nerdfest (867930) | about a year ago | (#44025355)

I still won't buy a PS4. Microsoft may have screwed themselves over, but Sony can't be trusted. As I said above, play games on a PC, in Linux ideally.

Which $400 gaming PC? (0)

tepples (727027) | about a year ago | (#44025493)

My cousin currently owns an Xbox 360 and likes to play Call of Duty series, Battlefield series, and similar first-person shooters. He has rejected the Xbox One and is trying to decide between a PlayStation 4 console and a new gaming PC this December. Which $400 gaming PC that can play games with comparable graphics to forthcoming PS4 games would you recommend?

Re:Which $400 gaming PC? (4, Informative)

JDeane (1402533) | about a year ago | (#44025613)

You can get a gaming PC for about $400 but it will be entry level, when it comes to PC's better to spend at least a little bit more and get something that will last a while.

This one is $529 and is more than a match for the new generation of consoles.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883229285 [newegg.com]

The biggest thing about investing in the price difference on a gaming PC is that when your not playing games, you can do a LOT of other things on a PC. So the price difference is more than made up for.

All this being said, I am lucky and have enough money to do both, I tend to buy 2 consoles from each gen and keep a gaming PC around. This will be the first gen I do not buy at least 2 of the consoles at launch. I own a Wii-U and I don't plan on getting a Xbox One, I also do not trust Sony enough to pick up a PS4 at launch my PS3 was not a good experience for me... Always seems like I spend more time updating the firmware than actually playing it.

Re:Beware Internet Echo Chambers (1)

girlintraining (1395911) | about a year ago | (#44025595)

As I said above, play games on a PC, in Linux ideally.

Yes, because executing arbitrary code under Linux is safer than executing arbitrary code under Windows, right? Most games are still closed source. And Linux has had plenty of security vulnerabilities over the years as well. If that's the only thing you're basing your decision on, well...

Good luck.

Re:Beware Internet Echo Chambers (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44025347)

If I could mod this up to an 11, I would. Just because Microsoft has failed miserably here doesn't mean we should all flock to the PS4. I'll never trust Sony after the OtherOS fiasco. Considering how many people are commenting about building gaming PCs, I don't expect a lot of people will, either.

In this generation, we've seen Microsoft release the biggest abomination in console gaming, Nintendo release a machine cobbled together from parts they found in the garage, and Sony trying to look innocent while they have filed for patents on worse DRM schemes than Microsoft's. This console generation is going to be a drag.

Re:Beware Internet Echo Chambers (1)

gman003 (1693318) | about a year ago | (#44025461)

This is different. I listen in on the mainstream game chatter (ie. Kotaku et al), and this is big. The last thing to be so universally despised was what, "The War Z"? Duke Nukem Forever? I've *never* seen a console get outright hated like this - indifference, yes, or "it would be cool if it didn't cost so damn much", but never "I wouldn't take one if they were free".

It started with the announcement conference - they spent virtually no time talking about actual games. There was maybe 50 frames of actual gameplay in the entire hour-long announcement. They spent longer talking about the dog in the next Call of Duty.

The Microsoft fanboys defended with "they're saving all the gaming news for E3". Now? I haven't heard anything. Microsoft has gotten their own fanboys to shut up - that has got to be some sort of new record.

I know more people planning to buy the new Xb360 model than the Xb1. Hell, I know more people planning to buy an Ouya than the Xb1. Or who want a Surface. This is a failure beyond even the Zune.

Now, I still don't think the Xb1 is dead on arrival. It'll sell, to some. Maybe even become a decent seller, if they rebrand it as a set-top box that plays games, rather than a game console that's also a DVR/TV thing.

Re:Beware Internet Echo Chambers (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44025485)

I remember. Sony pulled a bait-and-switch before, so I don't trust Sony. They will renege on their promises after the initial thrust of sales.

So, Microsoft is making horrible consumer-hostile promises that I don't want, and Sony is making consumer-friendly promises that it won't keep.

I will just stick with my PC. Yes, I am aware that Steam kills the second-hand gaming market too...but...it also sells me the games for $2.50 if I am willing to buy them on a lag of a couple of years, which I am.

Re:Beware Internet Echo Chambers (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44025601)

How to pronounce 'false dichotomy'?

It's possible for both of the next gen offerings to be about as compelling as the last generation.

(not very)

Watermarking? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44025237)

Wonder if MS decided to "watermark" the list before sending it around. A typo here, maybe swap two points there, each person receives an individualized version and the leak can be tracked back to the source. In which case I feel sorry for the person who gets the axe.

Herp Derp Derp (5, Insightful)

girlintraining (1395911) | about a year ago | (#44025253)

Q: What exclusive first-party games are in development, and when will we see them?

A: None. Despite bending our customers over a barrel and raping them until they bled and screamed for mercy with our new DRM, we don't have a single exclusive to show for it.

Q: How many games do you plan to ship at launch?

A: We got a lot of promises, but the warehouse is presently, uhh, a bit vacant.

Q: What is the new Xbox Live?

A: For game publishers, it's the second coming of Christ, the ressurection, the moment we've been waiting for, beating ourselves off to in private fantasizing over. For game players, it's an unholy cluster fuck that makes Square Enix scorched Earth policy on every franchise you ever loved look positively humane.

Q: What new benefits does Xbox Live offer?

A: The new generation of Xbox Live gets to know you and your preferences, by watching you 24/7 through a webcam that cannot be turned off, and puts you at the center of all your games and entertainment, and then builds a giant 20 foot thick concrete wall between you and all your friends who you can't share any of it with without an extra fee. It will make sure your Xbox is always up to date and ready for you, like meeting every ex you ever had at a party, who then stalk you for the next year, posting comments on your Facebook about what a whore you were, and a cheater -- that gaming is better with smart, quick and intuitive multiplayer, unlike everything else on the market which can accomplish this basic feat without spying on you, whoring away your personal viewing habits, and knowing exactly when you're about to climax on the couch to post that new advertisement for Buxom Babes 7, backed by the new Smart Match system -- which is just like online dating, only creepier. It adds even more personalization to your TV and entertainment, because what's more entertaining and personal than sitting alone, in your basement, your friends unable to join you to play without paying an extra fee? Nothing, that's what! With the evolved Xbox Live, your games and profile are stored in the cloud, so you can access them from any Xbox One console, and we'd appreciate it a lot if you'd forget about what we've done with Sidekick, and every other Cloud platform we've absorbed like some Doctor Who alien, only with less wit and British charm.... this time will be different. We Promise(tm).

Q: I saw reports stating friends will be unlimited and reports saying the cap is 1,000. Which is correct?

A: We're excited to report it's the lower of the two, which shouldn't discourage you in any way... because we've tried very hard to match the same low standards that are already present in the industry with our next generation console!

Q: Do I have to pay to access Xbox Live?

A: No. We'll just be collecting your personal viewing habits and selling them to the lowest bidder.

Re:Herp Derp Derp (-1, Offtopic)

recoiledsnake (879048) | about a year ago | (#44025295)

You have multiple first level posts on the same article hating on the XBone. I would accuse you of being part of "Sony rootkit reputation management" but for the fact that you just seem to be a reddit kid trying to look cool on Slashdot saying things like "herp derp derp". I would like to hope that Slashdot is a bit more mature than that.

Re:Herp Derp Derp (-1, Troll)

noh8rz10 (2716597) | about a year ago | (#44025387)

it's ok, s/he is a long-standing slashdot troll. nothing to see here, move along.

Re:Herp Derp Derp (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44025335)

Q: Do I have to pay to access Xbox Live? A: No. We'll just be collecting your personal viewing habits and selling them to the lowest bidder.

Oh, is this XBOXONE a Google product. They are in the habit of rummaging through the underwear drawers when providing "free services".

Microsoft will Scroogle you (1)

tepples (727027) | about a year ago | (#44025499)

Q: Do I have to pay to access Xbox Live? A: No. We'll just be collecting your personal viewing habits and selling them to the lowest bidder.

Oh, is this XBOXONE a Google product.

And to think Microsoft has been running an ad campaign about how Google reads your Gmail to provide ads and how Google Play Store provides the name, e-mail address, and postal code of anyone who buys a priced Android application to the app's publisher. What a hippopotamus.

Missing question (4, Interesting)

alantus (882150) | about a year ago | (#44025259)

101. Since I would have to pay 500$ for it, will I be able to run my own software on the Xbox One?

Re:Missing question (1, Insightful)

recoiledsnake (879048) | about a year ago | (#44025303)

The iPad costs the same, and you can't run your software on it.
I don't see what the price has to do with that.

Re:Missing question (1)

noh8rz10 (2716597) | about a year ago | (#44025399)

well you can run whatever iOS software you want on your ipad, including any you write yourself. so I would say Yes, you can run your own software on the ipad. on the other hand, you can also run a wide variety of software (games) on XBone, presumably you could write one yourself if you want, so the answer is yes there too.

This license will self-destruct in 365 days (0)

tepples (727027) | about a year ago | (#44025553)

well you can run whatever iOS software you want on your ipad, including any you write yourself. so I would say Yes, you can run your own software on the ipad.

Apart from the intentionally hamstrung Codea and Safari JavaScript environments, you can't run software you write yourself on an iPad. Nor can you run it on the combination of an iPad and your existing PC. You can run it on the combination of an iPad, a Mac (and not any other brand of PC), and a developer certificate that self-destructs after 365 days.

on the other hand, you can also run a wide variety of software (games) on XBone, presumably you could write one yourself if you want

Has Microsoft yet announced on what terms the Xbox One devkit is made available to video game developers? I assume it'd require a Windows 8 operating system, but that's not much of an obstacle because Windows 8 is designed to run on just about every x86-64 PC, including a Mac [zdnet.com] if your company also happens to develop games for iOS or OS X. But historically, console makers haven't been willing to sell a devkit to a video game company for its debut title even if it has shown a feature-complete prototype of this title on PC.

Re:Missing question (1)

scdeimos (632778) | about a year ago | (#44025443)

The iPad costs the same, and you can't run your software on it. I don't see what the price has to do with that.

You can run your own software on the iPad - you just have to pay $99/year for the privilege.

Re:Missing question (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44025475)

iOS has a completely legit and even supported way to run your own software. anyone who wants this can sign up for a dev account, getting code on after that is typically apple-style trivial.

Re:Missing question (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44025337)

lol no.

Re:Missing question (4, Insightful)

girlintraining (1395911) | about a year ago | (#44025473)

101. Since I would have to pay 500$ for it, will I be able to run my own software on the Xbox One?

Today Microsoft Studios and the world's biggest and most renowned publishers, including 343 Industries, Crytek, Turn 10 Studios, Capcom and Insomniac Games, unveiled their blockbuster games lineup for Xbox One, with more exclusive titles than at any time in the history of Xbox. We're excited to share more about our complete launch portfolio over the coming weeks and months.

101. Since I would have to pay 500$ for it, will I be able to run my own software on the Xbox One?

Similar to Xbox 360, Xbox Live on Xbox One is free to any system owner with a broadband Internet connection and includes access to a robust catalog of gaming content on Xbox Marketplace and personal profiles.

101. Since I would have to pay 500$ for it, will I be able to run my own software on the Xbox One?

We're in continued discussions with a broad set of content providers and owners but we don't have anything to announce at this time.

101. Since I would have to pay 500$ for it, will I be able to run my own software on the Xbox One?

I exorcise thee, every unclean spirit, in the name of Ballmer the Father, and in the name of Microsoft, our lord and judge, and in the power of the Holy Console, that thou depart from this creature of Consumer which our Lord has designed to call unto his Holy temple. I cast out you noxious vermin, through the same Christ our Lord, who shall come to judge the living and the dead, and the world by fire.

LISTEN UP !! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44025265)

It is trying to accomplish something here !! Cut it some slack !! It is not like Linux would ever be on even a hundredth the number of devices this game machine will sell !! So eat meat and stick a finger down it L.A.M.O.s because X Box One is gonna be rammed down your throats !!

Re:LISTEN UP !! (1)

symbolset (646467) | about a year ago | (#44025477)

Android/Linux is currently moving half a billion hardware units a year. To do over 100 times that you would have to sell more than 15 to every living human - almost half of whom live on $1/day.

Q: How many games do you plan to ship at launch? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44025271)

A: Today Microsoft Studios and the world’s biggest and most renowned publishers, including 343 Industries, Crytek, Turn 10 Studios, Capcom and Insomniac Games, unveiled their blockbuster games lineup for Xbox One, with more exclusive titles than at any time in the history of Xbox. We’re excited to share more about our complete launch portfolio over the coming weeks and months.

No numbers, you think by now they'd have the lineup mostly decided..........

This thing is 100% weasel speak.

They'll mention games once they pass lot check (1)

tepples (727027) | about a year ago | (#44025573)

I don't know what Microsoft calls its counterpart to Nintendo's lot check or Sony's TRC check, but it is dishonorable to announce vaporware that hasn't met whatever Microsoft calls its certification process. Even weasels have to preserve some honor. Once the games go gold [wikipedia.org] , expect Microsoft and the publisher to jointly announce them.

Nothing particularly wrong with the Q&A, but (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44025287)

The whole setup is creepy. It's like Microsoft wants customers in their stores to see these young, hip, techies-but-not-nerds who happen to work for Microsoft. But then Redmond doesn't trust them (or the field organization) to think or recall training when they're asked questions, so we have this call center-type script that everyone is supposed to master so they're all on the same page.

Why didn't MS just post the contents on their web site?

XBone Fake FAQ (1, Interesting)

realitycheckplease (2487810) | about a year ago | (#44025389)

I'm going to call this a Fake Faq. It doesn't read like a corporate MS document, it reads to me like the best attempt of someone who doesn't write any sort of Corporate PR at all and is about as close to Redmond as (broadly speaking) the width of the Pacific Ocean to try and mimic what they think Corporate American English PR would be written like, and they got it very wrong. Having said that, I'm sure that in the environment that I suspect this fake faq document was produced in, it's likely to be widely accepted as gospel by those who want to believe such things. In the primarily English speaking world, I think anyone with an understanding of grammar and linguistics at the level of an average 13 year old would spot that it's a fake faq straight away.

Re:XBone Fake FAQ (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44025533)

You haven't been paying attention to Microsoft's product line up lately have you?

Re:XBone Fake FAQ (5, Informative)

Luckyo (1726890) | about a year ago | (#44025557)

It's a bit too long for a troll document, and a just sufficiently corporate-speakish to be real. Teen trolls don't have the language skills to produce a document like that, while adult trolls don't have the time and patience to get over that many points.

It also doesn't look like a collaboration because the writing style stays the same throughout the document.

All in all, it has a very good chance of being a real thing.

Re:XBone Fake FAQ (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44025591)

I'm going to call this a Fake Faq. It doesn't read like a corporate MS document, it reads to me like the best attempt of someone who doesn't write any sort of Corporate PR at all and is about as close to Redmond as (broadly speaking) the width of the Pacific Ocean to try and mimic what they think Corporate American English PR would be written like, and they got it very wrong.

Having said that, I'm sure that in the environment that I suspect this fake faq document was produced in, it's likely to be widely accepted as gospel by those who want to believe such things. In the primarily English speaking world, I think anyone with an understanding of grammar and linguistics at the level of an average 13 year old would spot that it's a fake faq straight away.

It's impressive how much you managed to write without actually saying anything. Everything in there is arm-waving, no pointing out specific flaws, just weasel word "anyone can see it's fake" and "the person who wrote it knows nothing about Microsoft" without a single example or citation to back that up.

The FAQ is supposed to be an internal document that tells people receiving questions about the Xbone how to respond to specific questions, not to be posted publically. Your post doesn't even address that, I honestly can't tell if you think it isn't a press release, you were that vague.

It will still succeed (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44025391)

It will still succeed, because Micro$oft is willing to throw more than a billion dollars of marketing at it to make sure it succeeds.

And there are plenty of assholes who will buy it, if for no other reason than to play Halo and the latest DOA Beach Volleyball game.

Re:It will still succeed (1)

Darkness404 (1287218) | about a year ago | (#44025555)

Throwing money after a console doesn't mean it will be successful.

Nintendo certainly spent money on marketing for the Virtual Boy, and Sega had a big push for the Saturn and the Dreamcast, two consoles that failed to really catch on. Same with the Jaguar (although Atari certainly wasn't in the same shape that Nintendo and Sega were). Same with the 3DO.

Undoubtedly the Xbox one won't be a complete failure the way some consoles were (N-Gage, CDi, etc.) but I highly doubt that it will be the smash success the 360 is.

Re:It will still succeed (1)

Luckyo (1726890) | about a year ago | (#44025559)

You mean like WP7/8? They are burning about a billion yearly on nokia fees alone with actual marketing costs on top of that.

Unlimited storage (1)

manu0601 (2221348) | about a year ago | (#44025549)

Q: How much cloud space do I get? What is stored in the cloud?
A: Xbox Live offers Xbox One unlimited storage space in the cloud.

Unlimited storage means unlimited cost, for fixed revenue. It looks like the recipe for disaster

how Sony hate is now MS hate (1)

blackdragon07 (1357701) | about a year ago | (#44025567)

Its funny there was an uproar and hate of Sony when they removed install other OS. I Think they will do a 180 and remove the have to call back once every 24 hours because otherwise they lose all military people...that's a big market share to lose for something as stupid as have to call back. Some people are basing this on what they have read and seen from MS direct others are just on the MS hatewaggon without thinking about the reason for it. Stop and think how often do you have your system unplugged from the internet and play the game for those that do. I understand not all have the ability to do so and yes i agree its a bunch of BS but stop and think about it for a moment. most people play multi-player which requires internet and i know for a fact i never unplug my console after playing so whats the big deal? Sony is leaving the DRM to the publishers. The main difference is MS is making everyone have the same DRM where Sony will leave it to others to do the DRM.... They all want a way to control there games and reduce pirated copies and kill off the used game market.

Biased much? (0)

jurco (2851147) | about a year ago | (#44025569)

I'm not a fan of DRM either, but this "story" should have one of those "PAID ADVERTISEMENT" disclaimers.
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