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MS To Indie Devs: You Have a To Have a Publisher

samzenpus posted about a year ago | from the name-recognition dept.

Microsoft 463

Loadmaster writes "The new Oddworld game New 'n' Tasty is coming to every platform in the current generation and even the next generation but not the Xbox One. It's not that developer Oddworld Inhabitants isn't porting the game. It's not that they hate Microsoft or the Xbox One. No, it's that Microsoft has taken an anti-indie dev stance with the Xbox One. While the game industry is moving to Kickstarter and self-funded shops, Microsoft has decided all developers must have a publisher to grace their console."

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463 comments

Who cares? (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44028411)

Microsoft is a sinking ship, there is no salvage.

Re:Who cares? (0, Flamebait)

Vinegar Joe (998110) | about a year ago | (#44028475)

The sooner the better. Hopefully a U-boat will take care of the lifeboats.

Re:Who cares? (5, Funny)

Mitchell314 (1576581) | about a year ago | (#44028941)

The sooner the better. Hopefully a Wii U-boat will take care of the lifeboats.

Sorry, it was bugging me that such a perfect opportunity went to waste. :P

Re:Who cares? (0)

im just cannonfodder (1089055) | about a year ago | (#44028715)

m$ have signalled what is unfortunately the end of gaming & our rights, if sony dont implement this along the way, "forced by the nasty publishers" it will be implemented in the next offerings.



vote with your money people, don't pay for the destruction of your rights



the next anti consumer move will be, charging for hmmm, netflix, lets say, rentals that charge per person sitting in the room & calculated by always on connect..!



also does the nsa have back-doors into the xbox, the same as windows 0day exploits handed to them by m$?

Re:Who cares? (5, Funny)

LordLimecat (1103839) | about a year ago | (#44028805)

m$ have signalled what is unfortunately the end of gaming & our rights

If only there were an open platform with standardized, interchangeable hardware existing in a highly competitive ecosystem, your choice of operating system, and the ability to choose where you get your games and whether to participate in an online community.

Someone should make one of those.

Re:Who cares? (-1, Troll)

azav (469988) | about a year ago | (#44028841)

> if sony dont implement

OK.

First of all, it's "don't", not "dont".

And second of all, it's "doesn't", not "don't".

If you're going to be communicating with adults, please at least try to master the intricacies of fourth grade English first.

Re:Who cares? (3, Funny)

Chrisq (894406) | about a year ago | (#44028937)

Microsoft is a sinking ship, there is no salvage.

You mean like SCO ... oh Wait [slashdot.org] .

Duh, they are a publisher (5, Insightful)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#44028413)

This is just Microsoft protecting their own turf. This is part of their culture. As a publisher they feel they must prevent anything that might jeopardize that income. Most companies would not go this far, but Microsoft has a culture of "cutting off their nose to spite their face."

Re:Duh, they are a publisher (5, Interesting)

UnknowingFool (672806) | about a year ago | (#44028491)

Wow, I thought the negatives for Xbox One couldn't be any more before it got launched. Did Sony get a leak of Microsoft's plans and then decide to do the opposite? 1) Make PS4 cheaper, 2) Not require constant internet connection, 3) Allow used games, 4) Push for indie games [polygon.com] .

Re:Duh, they are a publisher (3, Funny)

AJH16 (940784) | about a year ago | (#44028545)

Or they are simply acting sanely.

Re:Duh, they are a publisher (5, Insightful)

Nerdfest (867930) | about a year ago | (#44028567)

... or they're lying ... again.

Re:Duh, they are a publisher (3, Insightful)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#44028631)

Citation please.

Sony fucked up a lot last gen, it looks like they are learning.

Either way, even if they change a month after shipping it, at least it started out better than Xbone.

Re:Duh, they are a publisher (3, Informative)

denmarkw00t (892627) | about a year ago | (#44028721)

> Citation please.

OtherOS was a feature available in early versions of the PlayStation 3 video game console that allowed other operating systems, such as Linux or FreeBSD, to be installed on the system. This feature was made unavailable in newer models and removed from the oldest ones through a firmware update by Sony.

Source [wikipedia.org]

Sony fucked up, in a few ways, one of which was lying.

Re:Duh, they are a publisher (2, Informative)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#44028743)

When did they hide that or lie about it?

I thought they were totally upfront about it. They removed the feature from new units and told the folks on the old ones to not update. Sure it sucks, but nothing like being a total cockbag from the word go the way MS is being.

Re:Duh, they are a publisher (4, Insightful)

denmarkw00t (892627) | about a year ago | (#44028869)

It was a promised feature that was removed later - would some of the people who purchased it have dropped that $$$ if they knew that, even at some point in the future, they'd have to make a choice between running Linux or playing online? I know I wouldn't have, if Linux were part of the draw to a PS3 (too pricey for me tbh). Besides, their track record isn't great, and it'll be worth it to watch both of these companies after launch... just wait and see.

Re:Duh, they are a publisher (2, Insightful)

Karl Cocknozzle (514413) | about a year ago | (#44028915)

It was a promised feature that was removed later - would some of the people who purchased it have dropped that $$$ if they knew that, even at some point in the future, they'd have to make a choice between running Linux or playing online? I know I wouldn't have, if Linux were part of the draw to a PS3 (too pricey for me tbh). Besides, their track record isn't great, and it'll be worth it to watch both of these companies after launch... just wait and see.

They made some unfortunate choices, but "changing their mind" is the prerogative you gave them when you bought their proprietary hardware/only-as-open-as-we-say-it-can-be model in the first place. I'm sure it was disappointing, but how old are you that you really weren't expecting that ability to be taken away?

Re:Duh, they are a publisher (1)

RKThoadan (89437) | about a year ago | (#44028881)

An argument can be made that by saying it would have that capability and taking it away the original statement was a lie. You have a valid point in that they were pretty upfront with things when they took it away. So they were very honest about when they decided to make their original statement a lie.

Re:Duh, they are a publisher (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44028911)

Sony advertised that those PS3s came with OtherOS. They did not advertise those PS3s come with OtherOS as long as you have no interest in playing new games or enjoying new features on your console, especially when those features and games have no conflict whatsoever with OtherOS.

It's like a dealership warranty requiring oil changes at the dealership (I know that's only the case for extended warranties now) and after the 12th oil change they rip out the radio (but they were nice enough to tell you that they'd do that the day you bring your car in for the 12th oil change). They lied because the radio was part of the car and nowhere in the warranty does it say you'll have the radio ripped out on the 12th oil change.

Lying by omission is still lying.

Let's also not forget about the rootkit, which was as obvious of a lie as any.

If you have to buy two PS3s (3, Insightful)

tepples (727027) | about a year ago | (#44028961)

Sony also made new PS3 disc games require Other OS-incompatible firmware, which defeated the purpose of Other OS which was to have Linux and games on one device. If people knew that they'd have to keep one PS3 for Other OS and buy a second PS3 for playing new games, they would have bought a PC instead in the first place.

Re:Duh, they are a publisher (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44028875)

No, they didn't lie. The new model that came without the feature no longer listed it as a feature on the specs. The old systems were patched, and we were warned a head of time that feature was being removed.

That said. To install another OS on your ps3 you gave up the ability to connect to the PSN and play games, so there is no reason for you to update period. The only people upset with that were ones thinking installing linux was a means to pirate software, it wasn't, and never was. I had one, i had that feature removed, I never used it once, because I bought a game console, i already have several computers.

Anyone whining about install otherOS is full of crap, to install the other os, you lost the ability to connect to PSN and play games, unless of course you were dual booting, which I'm not even sure was an option.

If you wanted to continue to install another OS, you simply didn't install that patch, because you don't need to connect to the PSN. As such, you can also factory reset the console a forcably downgrade the firmware, so, really, no leg to stand on, no lies, just whiny pirates.

Re:Duh, they are a publisher (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44028735)

Sony fucked up a lot last gen, it looks like they are learning.

So it did when they came out with the other OS option. You know what happened.

Re:Duh, they are a publisher (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#44028791)

They were assholes, but not liars about it.

Other OS should have been left alone, but they did not lie about it.

For the record I will not be being either until I see the linux based steambox first.

Re:Duh, they are a publisher (1)

cockroach2 (117475) | about a year ago | (#44028901)

They sold a product with feature X, then went "nah, you can't really have that feature". Sounds like lying to me.

Re:Duh, they are a publisher (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#44028927)

They sold a product with feature X, then they said if you want to keep feature X we will not longer support you. Shitty, but not lying.

Honestly I was pissed about Other OS from day one. It was never Other OS, it was Other Crippled OS. They used a hypervisor to prevent you from talking to the interesting hardware.

Re:Duh, they are a publisher (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44028691)

... or they're lying ... again.

Yep, give this man a cigar.

Micrsoft has a long history of using the "Queen's duck" strategy to pretend they're listening to their customers. After a suitable pause, Microsoft will grandly and magnanimously agree to allow users and developers some token feedom while reserving the option to continue screwing everyone who deals with them.

They'll have their social media reputation managers pulling out all stops to sell the pre-planned reversion as a "customers have spoken" moment, when it's really anything but.

Re:Duh, they are a publisher (1)

ZaMoose (24734) | about a year ago | (#44028801)

I'm unfamiliar with the "Queen's duck" gambit and the Google search results are woefully unhelpful. Citation, perhaps?

Re:Duh, they are a publisher (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44028909)

Since everyone loves to criticize, purposefully add in problems to your creation that would be easy to fix (a pointless duck next to the queen in a game of video chess) so that criticism is focused on that rather than more difficult issues.

Re:Duh, they are a publisher (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44028951)

Check out EA Sports some time. You get all the "we listen" BS and as special bonus you get fanboys to blame the community that they listened to when all features are half-assed and problems from 3+ years ago aren't addressed.

Re:Duh, they are a publisher (5, Funny)

gutnor (872759) | about a year ago | (#44028585)

This [nerdragecomic.com] , I think summarize it.

Abusive Monopolist (3, Insightful)

tuppe666 (904118) | about a year ago | (#44028583)

Microsoft has a culture of "cutting off their nose to spite their face."

No they don't they are simply the same bullying Abusive Monopoly they always are. There technique is abusive compromise...with the users doing all the compromising. They start with being over-reaching...and then step back ( a little) when users revolt, and repeat at the next iteration. IT has been incredibly successful at slowly eroding users rites.

Indie publishers got the short end of the stick on the 360 this is simply a continuation of that. my personal favourite http://games.slashdot.org/story/12/07/20/1540247/microsoft-taking-heat-for-five-figure-xbox-360-patch-fee [slashdot.org] the patch fee :)

Re:Abusive Monopolist (2)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#44028699)

Sure, but that is the same thing. They could make more money if they were simply not so dickish.

Re:Duh, they are a publisher (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44028693)

This is just Microsoft protecting their own turf. This is part of their culture. As a publisher they feel they must prevent anything that might jeopardize that income. Most companies would not go this far, but Microsoft has a culture of "cutting off their nose to spite their face."

So basically MS has been infected by Las Plagas. Just wait for Alice to come and rescue them.

Re:Duh, they are a publisher (2)

TWiTfan (2887093) | about a year ago | (#44028711)

As a publisher they feel they must prevent anything that might jeopardize that income. Most companies would not go this far, but Microsoft has a culture of "cutting off their nose to spite their face."

Actually, that USED to be Sony's reputation. In the console space at least, MS once had a very positive reputation. Lately though, the attitudes seem to have completely reversed. MS has become the arrogant, control-freak pricks and Sony is actually looking like the decent, pro-consumer company. Just bizarre.

Re:Duh, they are a publisher (5, Insightful)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#44028769)

I think it is natural.

Sony has to do well with PS4 or their console dreams are over. Microsoft is doing very well with the 360 and thinks they are on top of the world. This means Sony is pulling out all the stops to get converts. Microsoft thinks they can be as dickish as they like and keep enough customers. Sony has done this in the past when they were on top.

Re:Duh, they are a publisher (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44028853)

No, this is about Microsoft courting other companies. The Xbone is MS's attempt to please big content, and this includes large game companies. They've served up a laundry list of wet dreams (Like the end-run around the right of first sale for retail games) because MS has had decades-long dreams of being a cable company, or something. (I really don't understand while MS lusts after being a content distribution company)

Indy titles are starting to eat marketshare from the big companies, and big companies really don't get indy titles. This is just a move to raise the barrier to entry to make sure the Xbone doesn't get another minecraft. (Minecraft is one of the 360's biggest titles. Period. Both in terms of sales and hours played. Kids LOVE that game)

Hopefully now they do hate M$ (5, Insightful)

Coeurderoy (717228) | about a year ago | (#44028447)

One of the main issue with "consoles" is that it really is controled by a bunch of sociopath focusing on how to put the maximum of toll boths to efficiently bleed the marcs..

Under the pretext of make the experience "safe", you need the get some sort of "authorisations" from the console makers, and now it seems that Microsoft feels strong (or is weak) enough to add an additional hurdle to avoid "wasting their time" with the unwashed masses.

I hope that "android" consoles become popular (and that it will not end up with Google doing exactly the same thing M$ is doing ....

Re:Hopefully now they do hate M$ (-1, Flamebait)

kthreadd (1558445) | about a year ago | (#44028579)

Forget Xbox, the iOS consoles are already massively popular.

Nintendo + Apple (2, Insightful)

tuppe666 (904118) | about a year ago | (#44028707)

Forget Xbox, the iOS consoles are already massively popular.

I original poster was making the point that their are a few Android consoles about, as an alternative...I believe Mad Catz (yes that one) is about to add to the already popular Android console market.

iOS does not have a gaming console, as Steve Jobs was pretty anti-games. There was a rumour about them buying Nintendo which I suspect would have been an incredible match. Instead they spent their time making criminal deals with book publishers.

I do think it would be a great move to turn AppleTV boxes into mini consoles even is it is only using the iPhone as a gamepad, but they are more interested in taking about bullshit design...rather than real innovation.

Re:Hopefully now they do hate M$ (2)

Jaysyn (203771) | about a year ago | (#44028849)

>I hope that "android" consoles become popular (and that it will not end up with Google doing exactly the same thing M$ is doing ....

I'm sure it's party due to the newness factor, but my kids haven't turned on the Wii U (aside from Netflix) or Xbox 360 since I brought the OUYA home last Thursday.

MS you dont have that many foots to shoot! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44028453)

Really is this the marketing strategy to win the console war?

It seems the console is TV TV TV TV TV SPORTS COD COD COD

Re:MS you dont have that many foots to shoot! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44028771)

* feet

Well if you're gonna be an asshole (5, Funny)

korbulon (2792438) | about a year ago | (#44028465)

Might as well be a total asshole.

What does that subject mean? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44028497)

MS To Indie Devs: You Have a To Have a Publisher

What?

Re:What does that subject mean? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44028551)

MS To Indie Devs: You Have a To Have a Publisher

What?

The first "a" is a typo. Ignore it and the headline makes sense my asp^b^b^b autism-spectrum-afflicted slashdot friend.

Re:What does that subject mean? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44028589)

It's-a me-a Mario!

And? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44028499)

This is how it's always been. Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo all have certain requirements for those who want to publish games for their platforms. Sure Microsoft got the Xbox Live Marketplace for indie devs, but as I understand it, the article is not saying it's going away.

Re:And? (5, Informative)

UnknowingFool (672806) | about a year ago | (#44028591)

No but this article [gamesindustry.biz] says the Indie section is going away:

Yesterday, Microsoft's Studios corporate vice president Phil Harrison told Eurogamer that the marketplace on the company's new Xbox One console would combine retail games, Xbox Live Arcade, and Xbox Live Indie Games into a single section. . . With the Indie Games section going away, that means developers are stuck with the standard Xbox publishing rules.

So yes, indie games will need a publisher which sorta not makes them indie anymore. This might be a misunderstanding but Oddworld seems to think they are being forced to use a publisher. MS might have to clarify this point. There is a need for a publisher in games mostly for funding; however, Oddworld is self-funded. They don't feel like sharing revenue and profits when they don't have to share.

Re:And? (2)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#44028689)

Why is that a misunderstanding?

They are being forced to get a publisher and as such will not be Indie. This means the XBone will not have any Indie games. Indie means independent, which MS seems to not allow on the new console.

Re:And? (2)

UnknowingFool (672806) | about a year ago | (#44028859)

I'm giving MS the benefit of a doubt. They may not have all the details right and is still working them out. Their messaging also has not been very good lately so one group might be saying one thing and another group saying another.

Re:And? (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#44028897)

Their messaging?
Can't at least slashdot being a safe haven from this marketing bullshit?

I don't care about how they fucking say it, just what they say. What they are saying is the issue, not how.

Marking folks, please follow Bill Hicks advise. I will even buy you the bullet.

Re:And? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44028887)

They are being forced to get a publisher and as such will not be Indie. This means the XBone will not have any Indie games. Indie means independent, which MS seems to not allow on the new console.

Can someone explain the definition of a "publisher?" Why can't Oddworld Inhabitants simply state that they ARE a publisher or create Oddworld Publishing as a separate, wholly-owned company? The latter might be a little bit of a paperwork drill but incorporation really isn't that difficult. Is there a list of certified publishers that MS uses or something?

Hi Mr. Balmer (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44028653)

Oddworld is way better than any crap released from Microshit.

Re:And? (5, Insightful)

TWiTfan (2887093) | about a year ago | (#44028657)

MS used to have XNA, and basically let anyone publish on the 360 with just a $100 a year license. Not sure why they abandoned such a forward-thinking program. But it does fit in with the general MS stance of making every fucking wrong move imaginable over the last 3-4 years, and scrapping every decent idea they ever had.

Sometimes I think Blamer has secretly gone nuts, and no one has the balls to have him committed. It would certainly explain why he's absent from MS public events these days. But at least Howard Hughes was smart enough to delegate well after *he* went batshit. Balmer, by contrast, seems determined to not only collect all his urine in jars, but also to run his company off the cliff.

Re:And? (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#44028829)

Did XNA include the rights to publish patches?
My understanding was they charged far out the ass for that and it lead to many games staying broken since not even big companies wanted to pay to fix already sold games.

Re:And? (3, Interesting)

Tridus (79566) | about a year ago | (#44028765)

Except that indie games can publish on the Wii U and PS4 without a publisher.

So no, that's just how it is in Microsoftland. Unless you're making a game for the Windows Store, which also doesn't need a publisher.

Or if you're Minecraft, which doesn't need a publisher because Microsoft threw their own rules out the window to get it.

That's one great set of rules MS has, where they're so good they keep getting rid of them.

How can you become a publisher (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44028503)

So what are the criteria for game developer to become a publisher?

Re:How can you become a publisher (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44028749)

So what are the criteria for game developer to become a publisher?

You have to give Balmer a handjob and then use the same hand to write a check to MS for a publisher's license. Oh, and you can't wash that hand until you've used it to play each generation of XBox.

What is a publisher even for? (4, Interesting)

suprcvic (684521) | about a year ago | (#44028509)

Why do dev companies even need publishers? Serious question, what do publishers bring to the table?

Re:What is a publisher even for? (2)

theM_xl (760570) | about a year ago | (#44028561)

Theoretically, QA as well as a large distribution network (which one no longer truly NEEDS for indie titles due to a nifty invention called the Internet ).

Of course, much like Microsoft themselves, the publisher wants their cut...

Re:What is a publisher even for? (4, Informative)

UnknowingFool (672806) | about a year ago | (#44028665)

Money is one thing. Sometimes developers need upfront money while developing the game to pay salaries, bills, etc, especially if the game is larger than their last one.

Re:What is a publisher even for? (1)

mic0e (2740501) | about a year ago | (#44028677)

As far as I understood, publishers would select games they found supportworthy, and provide funding, thus making the game possible at all, or at least take a huge amount of risk away from the devs. Unfortunately for them, this is nowdays done by kickstarter.

Re:What is a publisher even for? (2)

i kan reed (749298) | about a year ago | (#44028685)

It's not what you know, it's who you know. I honestly think we'd be better off burning all the existing publishers to the ground and letting everyone re-compete for that space.

Re:What is a publisher even for? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44028709)

To squeeze money from resales? MS told us that game resales are handled by publishers. If there were, say, a large number of indie developers that would create a significant subset of games that are freely resalable it would create undue pressure to other publishers to allow resales for free, thus diminishing their licensing revenues.

Re:What is a publisher even for? (3, Interesting)

Tridus (79566) | about a year ago | (#44028781)

They bring a set of hands to take a cut, and Microsoft is looking out for their CEO friends at EA and Activision.

For indie games, publishers add nothing. They're of no value whatsoever.

Re:What is a publisher even for? (1)

eddy (18759) | about a year ago | (#44028821)

In the case of the XBox, they are required for access to the platform at all.

no i don't (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44028513)

Especially YOU

What? (1, Interesting)

The MAZZTer (911996) | about a year ago | (#44028515)

What about Minecraft then? Mojang surely is self-publishing that. I suppose it's just a case of MS not being THAT dumb to reject Minecraft...

Re:What? (1)

Therad (2493316) | about a year ago | (#44028713)

MS could always publish it for them. And every other game they find worthwhile. Which also means MS can take a bigger cut.

Re:What? (5, Informative)

Tridus (79566) | about a year ago | (#44028811)

Minecraft got a special sweetheart deal from Microsoft that throws most of the indie restrictions out the window. They also don't have to pay to post patches, unlike others (who pay tens of thousands of dollars, something no other platform is doing to indies anymore).

Microsoft's idea of "supporting indie games" is to find ones that got mainstream already and exempt them from the rules. Which is a sure sign that the rules are crap, but you know. This is Microsoft we're talking about.

Re:What? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44028889)

What about Minecraft then? Mojang surely is self-publishing that. I suppose it's just a case of MS not being THAT dumb to reject Minecraft...

What makes you think the higher ups at Microsoft have any functioning brain cells left in them ?

Re:What? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44028899)

The Xbox version of Minecraft was published by Microsoft, as was found through a very quick Google search. You should try it sometime. It's good for your self being.

DEVELOPERS! (5, Funny)

bmo (77928) | about a year ago | (#44028519)

DeVelOpERs! deveLOpErS! dEVLopeRS! deVelo....

Oh sorry, not for you guys.

--
BMO

I hope (1)

MitchDev (2526834) | about a year ago | (#44028553)

XBoxOne fails miserably as a result of MS's arrogance and stupidity

Holy crap... (2, Funny)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | about a year ago | (#44028569)

If this were Reddit, I'd be asking for AWildSketchAppears to draw a plane crashing and burning into a train wreck because the pilot shot out the tires while simultaneously trying to insert his head up his own ass.

This seriously cannot get any worse. Can it?

Re:Holy crap... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44028673)

why dont you crawl over to that lame site and find out ? ive had it with reddit hipsters. reddit is like a down syndrome convention

Re:Holy crap... (1)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | about a year ago | (#44028895)

Why don't you crawl over to that lame site and find out? I've had it with Reddit hipsters. Reddit is like a Down Syndrome convention.

Failure to capitalise the start of a sentence, failure to use an apostrophe in contractions, failure to capitalise proper nouns, failure to end a sentence with a full stop. Failure seems to be a common occurrence for you.

Microsoft kicks it old-school (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44028573)

Ah, now THAT'S the Microsoft we all know and love! Glad to see it's the mid-90s to the early 2000s again, because now I don't feel so old!

That must've been it: Someone at an XBone design meeting must've heard that Judge Jackson was dying, so they went crazy with celebrations and decided to design their next console entirely around bragging about this fact. Let's see how this classic attitude of theirs survives in the 2010s!

Editors? Anyone. Please (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44028575)

Headline is well written once more. Why even bother to the read the article.

Is MS *TRYING* to commit suicide? (3, Informative)

TWiTfan (2887093) | about a year ago | (#44028587)

They been making so many bad moves in the last few years, I'm beginning to think this is some elaborate game to intentionally run the company off a cliff. Surely to god, they can't be doing all this dumb shit and actually thinking it's smart. Can they?

Re:Is MS *TRYING* to commit suicide? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44028757)

They can, and recently more than once.

Windows 8(.1)

Re:Is MS *TRYING* to commit suicide? (5, Insightful)

Greyfox (87712) | about a year ago | (#44028777)

There is a tendency in corporate culture to drink the kool aid the top is serving. Take SGI. Perfect example. They had no clear strategy a bit over a decade ago and I outright confronted one of their sales reps about it and asked him why I should buy their products when I knew IBM would be around 10 years from now. He gave me some bullshit response that SGI had solid products and platforms and they were out of business less than a year later. If someone in the company had just said "We don't have a clear strategy and are going to get crushed by Sun and IBM if we don't develop one," a couple years earlier, they might have been able to pull it out. They did have some things they actually did better than other companies, they just chose to throw all that away and try to pursue the same course IBM and Sun were. Even Sun couldn't pull THAT shit off.

So maybe Microsoft DOES actually believe, in their isolated corporate culture, that their platform is strong enough to get away with the shit they're trying to pull. Gamers have no loyalty and everyone has already decided to jettison them. Some people are changing consoles, some people are going to PC gaming. Microsoft could save itself a lot of money and just scrap the entire Xbox line right now. If Sony offered an easy path for indie developers, the Xbox developer landscape would be a barren wasteland within a year.

Re:Is MS *TRYING* to commit suicide? (1, Insightful)

TWiTfan (2887093) | about a year ago | (#44028903)

The only thing I can figure is that it's a combination of the isolated echo-chamber (where they only hear each other saying positive things) and some misguided attempt to imitate Steve Jobs' "Screw the consumer, we'll tell them what they want!" attitude (but missing the fact that Jobs had a virtual cult that would follow him anywhere).

Re:Is MS *TRYING* to commit suicide? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44028851)

We're making too much "profit" right now. We need to tank something for a while, get our stock price down, buy it when it plummets, and then we start doing minor improvements, remove some minor impediments, watch the stock price go up, sell, retire. Sounds like the management structure at the moment.

Again? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44028599)

This was already mentioned during E3, why is it popping again now?

Who cares? The xbox one is already dead (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44028613)

Ridiculed by Sony's PS4 at E3, embarrassing reviews, poor hardware, mandatory kinect (read: PRISM) and users pissed off because of restrictive used games' policy and a not well defined mandatory online check every 24 hours.

Xbox One already belongs to the trash can of videogames' history, only a retard would buy it.

Re:Who cares? The xbox one is already dead (2)

Jade_Wayfarer (1741180) | about a year ago | (#44028737)

So they'll get several millions guaranteed sells then?

Re:Who cares? The xbox one is already dead (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44028831)

only a retard would buy it.

Or someone who speculates on the collector's value. :-)

Re:Who cares? The xbox one is already dead (1)

TCQuad (537187) | about a year ago | (#44028871)

There's still five months before the consoles' release. One segment of the market (non-gaming parents who will be giving consoles for birthdays/Christmas) has no idea any of this is going on and they wouldn't understand it regardless. As for the rest, I don't really trust the gaming community to be able to sustain this level of vitriol and/or fanboism for that long.

All Microsoft needs to do is ditch everything they said at E3 and start over. Not fixing the problems, but presenting the situation properly. It'll still be terrible, but at least some of the insane restrictions will make some logical sense with regards to what they're trying to do.

end of gaming (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44028639)

m$ have signalled what is unfortunately the end of gaming & our rights, if sony dont implement this along the way, "forced by the nasty publishers" it will be implemented in the next offerings.

vote with your money people, don't pay for the destruction of your rights

the next anti consumer move will be, charging for hmmm, netflix, lets say, rentals that charge per person sitting in the room & calculated by always on connect..!

also does the nsa have back-doors into the xbox, the same as windows 0day exploits handed to them by m$?

I just...what? (2)

denmarkw00t (892627) | about a year ago | (#44028641)

I really, really don't understand what the people at Microsoft are thinking. Ever. They go about things in two ways - they either start off with a terrible product and keep it that way, or they start off with something decent (Windows 95, Xbox [original]), make it better (XP, 360), and then shoot themselves in the ass (ME/Vista/8, Xbox One).

It stinks too, I enjoy my 360 and, even with the Gold membership fees, I'm pretty sure I'm still under the cost of a PS3, however the PS4 or Wii U are my ONLY options in this next round of console purchasing. I'll be happy to let my 360 gather dust and not worry about all the crap M$ is trying to shove down our throats. The Microsoft cocktail:

- 2 oz gin
- lime zest
- fill to top with tonic water
- put in blender with 1 lb human fecal matter
- pulse until smooth
- pour on your customer base
- ???
- profit (and imbibe! delicious)

Re:I just...what? (3, Funny)

Shados (741919) | about a year ago | (#44028671)

From the look of it, they're trying to make the Xbox One as "big publisher" friendly as possible..... basically doing the stuff of wet dreams of EA, Ubisoft, and all those other big names.

Unfortunately they forgot that they have to sell some consoles too, else it won't do much.

end of gamin &/or your rights (1)

im just cannonfodder (1089055) | about a year ago | (#44028705)

m$ have signalled what is unfortunately the end of gaming & our rights, if sony dont implement this along the way, "forced by the nasty publishers" it will be implemented in the next offerings.

vote with your money people, don't pay for the destruction of your rights

the next anti consumer move will be, charging for hmmm, netflix, lets say, rentals that charge per person sitting in the room & calculated by always on connect..!

also does the nsa have back-doors into the xbox, the same as windows 0day exploits handed to them by m$?

Re:end of gamin &/or your rights (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44028949)

lol microsoft makes a facepalm move and you equate that with the end of gaming? Wow, fanboy much? Sony is taking this in stride and will be laughing all the way to the bank:

Cheapest true nextgen console= check
no constant or regular authentication = check
not forcing you to use kinect and have it on 24/7 = check
indie games = check
sharing and selling used games = check
no more online passes = check
free PSN network = check
better video hardware and memory = check

you'd have to be mildly retarded to be considering an XboxONE at this point. Is MS trying to fail? Kinda feels that way to me.

and if they try the same thing with windows app s (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about a year ago | (#44028755)

and the same BS was done with windows app = antitrust.

Watch 'One Man, 17 SKUs' (3, Interesting)

eddy (18759) | about a year ago | (#44028783)

Brian Provinciano held a great presentation at GDC2013 about writing and releasing Retro City Rampage. Required watching/reading. One Man, 17 SKUs: Shipping on Every Platform at Once [gamasutra.com] . He does not have many good things to say about working with MS on the XBox Live version.

The only really assured destruction ... (1)

Rambo Tribble (1273454) | about a year ago | (#44028789)

... is self-destruction. Microsoft, Erdogan, Mursi -- delusions of grandeur have a remarkably similar outcome across all "platforms".

#1 reason to buy a PS4 instead... (1)

Enkrypter (252673) | about a year ago | (#44028833)

Remove money from wallet, then throw directly at Sony...

How hard is it to be a publisher? (4, Interesting)

NicBenjamin (2124018) | about a year ago | (#44028863)

The article tells you Oddworld:New and Tasty needs an official publisher to release on XBox, it tells you that Oddworld creator Lorne Lanning doesn't want to get a publisher, and it tells you why he doesn't want to get a publisher (he doesn't want to split the revenue), but it doesn't tell you Oddworld Interactive doesn't count as a publisher.

They clearly don't meet some requirement. Is the requirement stupid and obsolete (ie: the ability to ship boxed games), or is it reasonable (ie: the ability to correctly charge sales tax/VAT)? If it's not reasonable is it trivial?

So what's the problem? (2)

jtownatpunk.net (245670) | about a year ago | (#44028945)

Set up a company called AAA Publishing. Problem solved. "You want a publisher? Fine. Here's our publisher. It's a freak coincidence that the president and CEO of our publishing company share the names of the president and CEO of our development company. Small world, I guess."

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