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Jon 'Maddog' Hall On Project Cauã: a Server In Every Highrise

timothy posted about a year ago | from the cafeterias-and-slaughterhouses-too dept.

Open Source 151

Qedward writes with an excerpt at TechWorld about a new project from Jon "Maddog" Hall, which is about to launch in Brazil: "The vision of Project Cauã is to promote more efficient computing following the thin client/server model, while creating up to two million privately-funded high-tech jobs in Brazil, and another three to four million in the rest of Latin America. Hall explained that Sao Paolo in Brazil is the second largest city in the Western Hemisphere and has about twelve times the population density of New York City. As a result, there are a lot of people living and working in very tall buildings. Project Cauã will aim to put a server system in the basement of all of these tall buildings and thin clients throughout the building, so that residents and businesses can run all of their data and applications remotely."

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Cleaner! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44041009)

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About six months ago, I was overexerting myself trying to get rid of a terrible virus on a client's PC (I own a PC repair shop and have been fixing computers for over 10 years). Given my level of expertise, I thought I'd be able to get rid of it fairly quickly and without hassle, but as was made evident by my colossal failure, I was horribly, horribly wrong.

I couldn't remove the virus no matter what method I used. I tried all the latest anti-virus software and all the usual tricks, but it was all in vain. Failure after failure, my life was slowly being sucked away as I spent more and more of my time trying to get rid of this otherworldly virus.

Frustrated and stressed by my own failure, I began distancing myself from my wife and children. After a few days, I began verbally abusing them, and it eventually escalated into physical abuse. I was slowly losing what remaining sanity I had left. If this had continued for much longer, it is highly probable that I would have committed suicide. A mere shell of what I once was, I barricaded myself in my bedroom and cried myself to sleep for days on end.

That's when it happened: I found MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] ! I installed MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] right on the client's PC, ran a scan, and it immediately got rid of all the viruses without a single problem. MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] accomplished in record time what I was unable to accomplish after a full week. Wow! Such a thing!

MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] is outstanding! My client's computer is running faster than ever! I highly recommend you install MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] right this minuteness, run a scan, and then boost your PC speed in record time! MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] came through with flying colours where no one else could!

My client's response? "MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] totally cleaned up my system, and increased my speed!" All the PC repair professionals are using MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] to solve all of their problems. This should be reason enough for you to switch to MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] ! It'll speed up your computer, rid it of all viruses, and you'll be able to work productively again! Wow!

Even if you're not having any obvious computer problems, you could still be in trouble. That's why I very highly recommend that you still use MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] . After all, it will boost your PC & internet speed to levels you never would think are possible!

MyCleanPC: For a Cleaner, Safer PC. [mycleanpc.com]

-----------

A few weeks ago, I foolishly ran a strange executable file that one of my acquaintances sent me by email. As someone who doesn't know much about computers, at the time, I thought nothing of it. "Why would my acquaintance want to hurt me?" Following this line of thought, I ran the file without question.

How naive I was. Despite having what was supposedly the best anti-virus software out right then, a virus took over my computer and held it hostage. It was pretending to be a warning from Windows telling me to buy some strange anti-virus software I'd never heard of from a company I'd never heard of to remove the virus.

This immediately set alarm bells off in my head. "How could this happen? My anti-virus is supposed to be second to none!" Faced with this harsh and depressing reality, I decided to take it to a PC repair shop for repair. They gladly accepted the job, told me it'd be fixed in a few days, and sent me off with a smile.

A few days later, they called me and told me to come pick up my computer. At the time, I noticed that they sounded like whimpering animals, but I concluded that it must just be stress from work. When I arrived, they, with tears in their eyes, told me that the virus was so awful and merciless that they were unable to remove it. "Ah," I thought. "That must be why they sounded so frustrated and pathetic over the phone. Their horrible failure must have truly shattered their pride as professionals." I later found out that two of them had committed suicide.

After returning home, I tried to fix it myself (despite the fact that even the professionals couldn't do it). After about a day or so, I was losing my very mind. I stopped going to work, stopped eating, was depressed, and I would very frequently throw my precious belongings across the room and break them; that is how bad this virus was.

That's when it happened: I found MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] ! I installed MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] , ran a scan, and let it remove all the viruses! They were removed in precisely 2.892 seconds. Wow! Such a thing! I can't even believe this as such never before! MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] is outstanding! My computer is running faster than ever! MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] came through with flying colors where no one else could!

MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] totally cleaned up my system, and increased my speed! If you're having computer problems, or even if you aren't having any obvious problems, I recommend that you use MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] . As a user, it did more for me that any so-called "professional." It'll even boost your PC & internet speed!

MyCleanPC: For a Cleaner, Safer PC. [mycleanpc.com]

-----------

A few days ago, a customer brought in their PC for repair. They told me that they had a very nasty virus that was holding their computer hostage and wouldn't stop unless they paid the creators $50. "Alright," I thought. "That's pretty standard."

But, soon enough, I found that I was overexerting myself trying to get rid of this virus. I had never seen a virus this bad before. Reformatting and using all of the usual software to try to remove the virus didn't help at all!

As a PC repair technician with 10+ years of experience, I was dumbfounded. I couldn't remove the virus, and to make matters worse, their gigabits were running slower than ever! I soon plummeted into a severe state of depression and anxiety.

That's when I found MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] . I went to MyCleanPC's [mycleanpc.com] website, ran a free scan, and the virus simply vanished from their computer this minuteness. I couldn't believe how fast their gigabits were running afterwards just from using MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] !

My customer's response? "MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] is outstanding! My computer is running faster than ever! MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] totally cleaned up my system and increased my speed!"

My thoughts: MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] came through with flying colors where no one else could! I love MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] !

The fact that such an experienced PC repair technician is recommending MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] should be more than enough to convince you that it is high-quality software.

If you're having computer problems, then as an experienced PC repair technician, I wholeheartedly recommend using MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] . Your gigabits and speed will be overclocking and running at maximum efficiency!

But, in my experience, even if you're not having any visible problems, you could still be infected. So get MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] and run a scan this minuteness so you'll be overclocking with the rest of us!

Watch their commercial! [youtube.com]

MyCleanPC: For a Cleaner, Safer PC. [mycleanpc.com]

-----------

A few months ago, I accepted what at first appeared to be a very simple job: remove a virus from someone's computer. Given the fact that I owned a PC repair shop (and I still do) and had over 15 years of experience, I was confident that I could complete the job in a timely manner without any complications along the way. Little did I know, however, that accepting this job would spiral my life into a nightmarish den of anguish and uncertainty.

First, I tried booting up the PC. When Windows finally loaded, it became apparent that this was no ordinary virus; it was a merciless monstrosity of a virus that would stop at nothing to ruin your entire life. However, despite this, I bravely pressed on and attempted to combat the virus. "I absolutely will not let a mere virus scare me off!" I thought.

After numerous unsuccessful attempts at removing the virus and after exhausting every single option to combat viruses that I had, I finally realized that the situation was absolutely devoid of hope. This was a virus more fearsome than any other, and it was simply impossible for someone with my abilities (skilled as I was) to fight against it alone. Even reinstalling the operating system completely didn't help. I quickly sank into a pit of depression and despair.

Being that I was extremely stressed due to my numerous failures, I began verbally abusing my wife and kids a few days after I received the job. This situation soon worsened when I began resorting to physical abuse in order to relieve some of my anger. Eventually, after not being able to withstand my daughter's constant moans and whines any longer, I locked her in the basement in order to retain an ounce of my sanity.

That's when I had a stroke of genius: "If I can't fight this nightmare alone, then why don't I call in the World's Greatest Minds?" I immediately contacted the World's Greatest Minds and pleaded that they examine the computer. To my delight, they accepted the proposal, collected the computer, and began their experiments.

After weeks of trial and error, numerous experiments, and many failures, the World's Greatest Minds had at last reached a conclusion. They contacted me by phone and told me that this, being no ordinary virus, called for extreme measures. They quite vehemently recommended the use of MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] to combat the virus and destroy its very existence once and for all. "MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] will completely eradicate the virus without a single problem," they enthusiastically told me.

As soon as I got the computer back from the World's Greatest Minds, I installed MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] , ran a free scan, and then sat back and watched in awe as it totally eliminated the very same virus that I had spent weeks trying to get rid of in mere seconds! MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] had accomplished a feat that nothing else in existence could have accomplished! I was positively astonished by MyCleanPC's [mycleanpc.com] miraculous performance.

What was my daughter's response, you ask? "MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] is outstanding! My dad's client's computer is running faster than ever! MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] came through with flying colours where no one else could! I recommend that you use MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] right this minuteness to fix all of your problems!"

MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] totally cleaned up my client's system, and increased his speed! As a computer repair professional, I highly recommend that you use MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] to fix all of your problems. That's not all: The World's Greatest Minds also recommends MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] for all of your computer repair needs. By using MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] , you're ensuring that your gigabits will be running faster than ever, that all viruses will vanish off of your computer in seconds, and that you'll be overclocking with the rest of us!

Even if you're not having any visible problems with your computer, I still wholeheartedly recommend that you use MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] . After all, you could have a dormant/silent virus on your system. Additionally, MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] will speed up all of your gigabits to levels you could never imagine! You'll be overclocking in no time thanks to MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] !

MyCleanPC: For a Cleaner, Safer PC. [mycleanpc.com]

-----------

Well, to begin, I'm just your average guy. But unlike your average guy, I once had everything anyone could ever want: a gorgeous wife, a beautiful two-story house, an adorable seven year old daughter, a stable job, and a nice salary. Basically, I was living the American dream. None of my needs or wants were left unfulfilled. The family always got along, and everything was perfect.

Until one day, that is. Following one of my routine doctor appointments, my doctor informed me that I had lung cancer and that I only had a few years to live at most. As you can imagine, I was shocked. Not just shocked; I could see all of my hopes and dreams being shattered right before my very eyes. Still, my doctor gave me hope by telling me that there was a chance, however slim, that Chemotherapy and various other things could help me. After speaking with my wife, I decided to receive the treatments.

All was not lost. I still had a perfect family that I could rely on and get emotional support from. I still had hope for the future. I'm a firm believer that you should make the best of things rather than wallow in depression. I had to press on: not just for my sake, but for the sake of my loved ones. But my strong resolve was soon shattered.

The family I thought I could count on betrayed me. My wife, whom I loved deeply, filed for a divorce. She said that she could not handle the emotional trauma of being with someone who had cancer. She apologized profusely, but no matter what I said, I could not change her mind. I screamed, I cried, and I begged her to rethink her decision, but it was all to no avail.

In my madness, I made all kinds of accusations. I said that she was cheating on me, that she never loved me, that she just married me for my money, and various other things. I soon learned, however, that a few of those were more than just baseless accusations. I began stalking her, going through all of her personal possessions, and trying uncover any secrets she may have been keeping. What I discovered horrified me: she had been cheating on me with another man for the past year. She must have been waiting for an opportune time to abandon me for this other man.

When confronted about her betrayal, she screamed at me, told me it was none of my business, told me that I was always a worthless husband, and told me that I was an abusive man. I soon discovered that there was absolutely nothing that I could do. My marriage was in shambles, and by this point, I was on the brink of suicide. The only thing keeping me going was my devotion to my precious daughter.

It wasn't long before I received news from my insurance company that they were getting rid of my coverage. They gave me multitudes of vague and bogus reasons, but anyone could figure out their true reason: they did not want to waste money on a dying man. Naturally, I planned to fight this with every fiber of my being, but I knew it would be a long, drawn out process.

In the span of a year, I went from a very happy man who had everything he wanted to a miserable shell of what I once was. I couldn't take it anymore. Despite the fact that I wanted to remain in this world for the sake of my daughter, I tried committing suicide four times. All four attempts failed. I needed something to take my misery, regret, and anger out on. First I began verbally abusing my daughter. It wasn't long before I began physically abusing her. Sometimes I did it with my bare hands, and other times I used various objects. Beating my daughter soon became my only pleasure. My life had spiraled out of control into a den of anguish, uncertainty, and madness.

That's when it happened: I found MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] . I downloaded it, scanned my computer, and had it fix all of my problems. MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] is outstanding! My computer is running faster than ever!

My wife's response? "MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] came through with flying colours where no one else could!"

My daughter was absolutely overjoyed. As soon as she heard and saw just how effective MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] was, she told everyone, "MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] totally cleaned up my dad's system and increased his speed!"

If you're having computer troubles, I highly recommend you download MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] and run a free scan. It's a high-quality piece of software that will solve all of your problems. MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] completely saved my life! Wow! Thanks MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] ! I love you MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] !

MyCleanPC: For a Cleaner, Safer PC. [mycleanpc.com]

Re:Cleaner! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44041243)

You're clearly not the original McCoy. The MyCleanPC spam used to have much more clever humor embedded to it.

I'll bet... (1)

unixisc (2429386) | about a year ago | (#44043299)

My /etc/hosts file will block all the viruses that MyCleanPC claims to remove from entering in the first place /meme>

Return to cleanerdom! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44041011)

-----------

About six months ago, I was overexerting myself trying to get rid of a terrible virus on a client's PC (I own a PC repair shop and have been fixing computers for over 10 years). Given my level of expertise, I thought I'd be able to get rid of it fairly quickly and without hassle, but as was made evident by my colossal failure, I was horribly, horribly wrong.

I couldn't remove the virus no matter what method I used. I tried all the latest anti-virus software and all the usual tricks, but it was all in vain. Failure after failure, my life was slowly being sucked away as I spent more and more of my time trying to get rid of this otherworldly virus.

Frustrated and stressed by my own failure, I began distancing myself from my wife and children. After a few days, I began verbally abusing them, and it eventually escalated into physical abuse. I was slowly losing what remaining sanity I had left. If this had continued for much longer, it is highly probable that I would have committed suicide. A mere shell of what I once was, I barricaded myself in my bedroom and cried myself to sleep for days on end.

That's when it happened: I found MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] ! I installed MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] right on the client's PC, ran a scan, and it immediately got rid of all the viruses without a single problem. MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] accomplished in record time what I was unable to accomplish after a full week. Wow! Such a thing!

MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] is outstanding! My client's computer is running faster than ever! I highly recommend you install MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] right this minuteness, run a scan, and then boost your PC speed in record time! MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] came through with flying colours where no one else could!

My client's response? "MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] totally cleaned up my system, and increased my speed!" All the PC repair professionals are using MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] to solve all of their problems. This should be reason enough for you to switch to MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] ! It'll speed up your computer, rid it of all viruses, and you'll be able to work productively again! Wow!

Even if you're not having any obvious computer problems, you could still be in trouble. That's why I very highly recommend that you still use MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] . After all, it will boost your PC & internet speed to levels you never would think are possible!

MyCleanPC: For a Cleaner, Safer PC. [mycleanpc.com]

-----------

A few weeks ago, I foolishly ran a strange executable file that one of my acquaintances sent me by email. As someone who doesn't know much about computers, at the time, I thought nothing of it. "Why would my acquaintance want to hurt me?" Following this line of thought, I ran the file without question.

How naive I was. Despite having what was supposedly the best anti-virus software out right then, a virus took over my computer and held it hostage. It was pretending to be a warning from Windows telling me to buy some strange anti-virus software I'd never heard of from a company I'd never heard of to remove the virus.

This immediately set alarm bells off in my head. "How could this happen? My anti-virus is supposed to be second to none!" Faced with this harsh and depressing reality, I decided to take it to a PC repair shop for repair. They gladly accepted the job, told me it'd be fixed in a few days, and sent me off with a smile.

A few days later, they called me and told me to come pick up my computer. At the time, I noticed that they sounded like whimpering animals, but I concluded that it must just be stress from work. When I arrived, they, with tears in their eyes, told me that the virus was so awful and merciless that they were unable to remove it. "Ah," I thought. "That must be why they sounded so frustrated and pathetic over the phone. Their horrible failure must have truly shattered their pride as professionals." I later found out that two of them had committed suicide.

After returning home, I tried to fix it myself (despite the fact that even the professionals couldn't do it). After about a day or so, I was losing my very mind. I stopped going to work, stopped eating, was depressed, and I would very frequently throw my precious belongings across the room and break them; that is how bad this virus was.

That's when it happened: I found MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] ! I installed MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] , ran a scan, and let it remove all the viruses! They were removed in precisely 2.892 seconds. Wow! Such a thing! I can't even believe this as such never before! MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] is outstanding! My computer is running faster than ever! MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] came through with flying colors where no one else could!

MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] totally cleaned up my system, and increased my speed! If you're having computer problems, or even if you aren't having any obvious problems, I recommend that you use MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] . As a user, it did more for me that any so-called "professional." It'll even boost your PC & internet speed!

MyCleanPC: For a Cleaner, Safer PC. [mycleanpc.com]

-----------

A few days ago, a customer brought in their PC for repair. They told me that they had a very nasty virus that was holding their computer hostage and wouldn't stop unless they paid the creators $50. "Alright," I thought. "That's pretty standard."

But, soon enough, I found that I was overexerting myself trying to get rid of this virus. I had never seen a virus this bad before. Reformatting and using all of the usual software to try to remove the virus didn't help at all!

As a PC repair technician with 10+ years of experience, I was dumbfounded. I couldn't remove the virus, and to make matters worse, their gigabits were running slower than ever! I soon plummeted into a severe state of depression and anxiety.

That's when I found MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] . I went to MyCleanPC's [mycleanpc.com] website, ran a free scan, and the virus simply vanished from their computer this minuteness. I couldn't believe how fast their gigabits were running afterwards just from using MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] !

My customer's response? "MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] is outstanding! My computer is running faster than ever! MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] totally cleaned up my system and increased my speed!"

My thoughts: MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] came through with flying colors where no one else could! I love MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] !

The fact that such an experienced PC repair technician is recommending MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] should be more than enough to convince you that it is high-quality software.

If you're having computer problems, then as an experienced PC repair technician, I wholeheartedly recommend using MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] . Your gigabits and speed will be overclocking and running at maximum efficiency!

But, in my experience, even if you're not having any visible problems, you could still be infected. So get MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] and run a scan this minuteness so you'll be overclocking with the rest of us!

Watch their commercial! [youtube.com]

MyCleanPC: For a Cleaner, Safer PC. [mycleanpc.com]

-----------

A few months ago, I accepted what at first appeared to be a very simple job: remove a virus from someone's computer. Given the fact that I owned a PC repair shop (and I still do) and had over 15 years of experience, I was confident that I could complete the job in a timely manner without any complications along the way. Little did I know, however, that accepting this job would spiral my life into a nightmarish den of anguish and uncertainty.

First, I tried booting up the PC. When Windows finally loaded, it became apparent that this was no ordinary virus; it was a merciless monstrosity of a virus that would stop at nothing to ruin your entire life. However, despite this, I bravely pressed on and attempted to combat the virus. "I absolutely will not let a mere virus scare me off!" I thought.

After numerous unsuccessful attempts at removing the virus and after exhausting every single option to combat viruses that I had, I finally realized that the situation was absolutely devoid of hope. This was a virus more fearsome than any other, and it was simply impossible for someone with my abilities (skilled as I was) to fight against it alone. Even reinstalling the operating system completely didn't help. I quickly sank into a pit of depression and despair.

Being that I was extremely stressed due to my numerous failures, I began verbally abusing my wife and kids a few days after I received the job. This situation soon worsened when I began resorting to physical abuse in order to relieve some of my anger. Eventually, after not being able to withstand my daughter's constant moans and whines any longer, I locked her in the basement in order to retain an ounce of my sanity.

That's when I had a stroke of genius: "If I can't fight this nightmare alone, then why don't I call in the World's Greatest Minds?" I immediately contacted the World's Greatest Minds and pleaded that they examine the computer. To my delight, they accepted the proposal, collected the computer, and began their experiments.

After weeks of trial and error, numerous experiments, and many failures, the World's Greatest Minds had at last reached a conclusion. They contacted me by phone and told me that this, being no ordinary virus, called for extreme measures. They quite vehemently recommended the use of MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] to combat the virus and destroy its very existence once and for all. "MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] will completely eradicate the virus without a single problem," they enthusiastically told me.

As soon as I got the computer back from the World's Greatest Minds, I installed MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] , ran a free scan, and then sat back and watched in awe as it totally eliminated the very same virus that I had spent weeks trying to get rid of in mere seconds! MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] had accomplished a feat that nothing else in existence could have accomplished! I was positively astonished by MyCleanPC's [mycleanpc.com] miraculous performance.

What was my daughter's response, you ask? "MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] is outstanding! My dad's client's computer is running faster than ever! MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] came through with flying colours where no one else could! I recommend that you use MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] right this minuteness to fix all of your problems!"

MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] totally cleaned up my client's system, and increased his speed! As a computer repair professional, I highly recommend that you use MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] to fix all of your problems. That's not all: The World's Greatest Minds also recommends MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] for all of your computer repair needs. By using MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] , you're ensuring that your gigabits will be running faster than ever, that all viruses will vanish off of your computer in seconds, and that you'll be overclocking with the rest of us!

Even if you're not having any visible problems with your computer, I still wholeheartedly recommend that you use MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] . After all, you could have a dormant/silent virus on your system. Additionally, MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] will speed up all of your gigabits to levels you could never imagine! You'll be overclocking in no time thanks to MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] !

MyCleanPC: For a Cleaner, Safer PC. [mycleanpc.com]

-----------

Well, to begin, I'm just your average guy. But unlike your average guy, I once had everything anyone could ever want: a gorgeous wife, a beautiful two-story house, an adorable seven year old daughter, a stable job, and a nice salary. Basically, I was living the American dream. None of my needs or wants were left unfulfilled. The family always got along, and everything was perfect.

Until one day, that is. Following one of my routine doctor appointments, my doctor informed me that I had lung cancer and that I only had a few years to live at most. As you can imagine, I was shocked. Not just shocked; I could see all of my hopes and dreams being shattered right before my very eyes. Still, my doctor gave me hope by telling me that there was a chance, however slim, that Chemotherapy and various other things could help me. After speaking with my wife, I decided to receive the treatments.

All was not lost. I still had a perfect family that I could rely on and get emotional support from. I still had hope for the future. I'm a firm believer that you should make the best of things rather than wallow in depression. I had to press on: not just for my sake, but for the sake of my loved ones. But my strong resolve was soon shattered.

The family I thought I could count on betrayed me. My wife, whom I loved deeply, filed for a divorce. She said that she could not handle the emotional trauma of being with someone who had cancer. She apologized profusely, but no matter what I said, I could not change her mind. I screamed, I cried, and I begged her to rethink her decision, but it was all to no avail.

In my madness, I made all kinds of accusations. I said that she was cheating on me, that she never loved me, that she just married me for my money, and various other things. I soon learned, however, that a few of those were more than just baseless accusations. I began stalking her, going through all of her personal possessions, and trying uncover any secrets she may have been keeping. What I discovered horrified me: she had been cheating on me with another man for the past year. She must have been waiting for an opportune time to abandon me for this other man.

When confronted about her betrayal, she screamed at me, told me it was none of my business, told me that I was always a worthless husband, and told me that I was an abusive man. I soon discovered that there was absolutely nothing that I could do. My marriage was in shambles, and by this point, I was on the brink of suicide. The only thing keeping me going was my devotion to my precious daughter.

It wasn't long before I received news from my insurance company that they were getting rid of my coverage. They gave me multitudes of vague and bogus reasons, but anyone could figure out their true reason: they did not want to waste money on a dying man. Naturally, I planned to fight this with every fiber of my being, but I knew it would be a long, drawn out process.

In the span of a year, I went from a very happy man who had everything he wanted to a miserable shell of what I once was. I couldn't take it anymore. Despite the fact that I wanted to remain in this world for the sake of my daughter, I tried committing suicide four times. All four attempts failed. I needed something to take my misery, regret, and anger out on. First I began verbally abusing my daughter. It wasn't long before I began physically abusing her. Sometimes I did it with my bare hands, and other times I used various objects. Beating my daughter soon became my only pleasure. My life had spiraled out of control into a den of anguish, uncertainty, and madness.

That's when it happened: I found MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] . I downloaded it, scanned my computer, and had it fix all of my problems. MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] is outstanding! My computer is running faster than ever!

My wife's response? "MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] came through with flying colours where no one else could!"

My daughter was absolutely overjoyed. As soon as she heard and saw just how effective MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] was, she told everyone, "MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] totally cleaned up my dad's system and increased his speed!"

If you're having computer troubles, I highly recommend you download MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] and run a free scan. It's a high-quality piece of software that will solve all of your problems. MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] completely saved my life! Wow! Thanks MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] ! I love you MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] !

MyCleanPC: For a Cleaner, Safer PC. [mycleanpc.com]

Cleaner Rectum (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44041013)

-----------

About six months ago, I was overexerting myself trying to get rid of a terrible virus on a client's PC (I own a PC repair shop and have been fixing computers for over 10 years). Given my level of expertise, I thought I'd be able to get rid of it fairly quickly and without hassle, but as was made evident by my colossal failure, I was horribly, horribly wrong.

I couldn't remove the virus no matter what method I used. I tried all the latest anti-virus software and all the usual tricks, but it was all in vain. Failure after failure, my life was slowly being sucked away as I spent more and more of my time trying to get rid of this otherworldly virus.

Frustrated and stressed by my own failure, I began distancing myself from my wife and children. After a few days, I began verbally abusing them, and it eventually escalated into physical abuse. I was slowly losing what remaining sanity I had left. If this had continued for much longer, it is highly probable that I would have committed suicide. A mere shell of what I once was, I barricaded myself in my bedroom and cried myself to sleep for days on end.

That's when it happened: I found MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] ! I installed MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] right on the client's PC, ran a scan, and it immediately got rid of all the viruses without a single problem. MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] accomplished in record time what I was unable to accomplish after a full week. Wow! Such a thing!

MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] is outstanding! My client's computer is running faster than ever! I highly recommend you install MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] right this minuteness, run a scan, and then boost your PC speed in record time! MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] came through with flying colours where no one else could!

My client's response? "MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] totally cleaned up my system, and increased my speed!" All the PC repair professionals are using MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] to solve all of their problems. This should be reason enough for you to switch to MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] ! It'll speed up your computer, rid it of all viruses, and you'll be able to work productively again! Wow!

Even if you're not having any obvious computer problems, you could still be in trouble. That's why I very highly recommend that you still use MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] . After all, it will boost your PC & internet speed to levels you never would think are possible!

MyCleanPC: For a Cleaner, Safer PC. [mycleanpc.com]

-----------

A few weeks ago, I foolishly ran a strange executable file that one of my acquaintances sent me by email. As someone who doesn't know much about computers, at the time, I thought nothing of it. "Why would my acquaintance want to hurt me?" Following this line of thought, I ran the file without question.

How naive I was. Despite having what was supposedly the best anti-virus software out right then, a virus took over my computer and held it hostage. It was pretending to be a warning from Windows telling me to buy some strange anti-virus software I'd never heard of from a company I'd never heard of to remove the virus.

This immediately set alarm bells off in my head. "How could this happen? My anti-virus is supposed to be second to none!" Faced with this harsh and depressing reality, I decided to take it to a PC repair shop for repair. They gladly accepted the job, told me it'd be fixed in a few days, and sent me off with a smile.

A few days later, they called me and told me to come pick up my computer. At the time, I noticed that they sounded like whimpering animals, but I concluded that it must just be stress from work. When I arrived, they, with tears in their eyes, told me that the virus was so awful and merciless that they were unable to remove it. "Ah," I thought. "That must be why they sounded so frustrated and pathetic over the phone. Their horrible failure must have truly shattered their pride as professionals." I later found out that two of them had committed suicide.

After returning home, I tried to fix it myself (despite the fact that even the professionals couldn't do it). After about a day or so, I was losing my very mind. I stopped going to work, stopped eating, was depressed, and I would very frequently throw my precious belongings across the room and break them; that is how bad this virus was.

That's when it happened: I found MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] ! I installed MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] , ran a scan, and let it remove all the viruses! They were removed in precisely 2.892 seconds. Wow! Such a thing! I can't even believe this as such never before! MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] is outstanding! My computer is running faster than ever! MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] came through with flying colors where no one else could!

MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] totally cleaned up my system, and increased my speed! If you're having computer problems, or even if you aren't having any obvious problems, I recommend that you use MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] . As a user, it did more for me that any so-called "professional." It'll even boost your PC & internet speed!

MyCleanPC: For a Cleaner, Safer PC. [mycleanpc.com]

-----------

A few days ago, a customer brought in their PC for repair. They told me that they had a very nasty virus that was holding their computer hostage and wouldn't stop unless they paid the creators $50. "Alright," I thought. "That's pretty standard."

But, soon enough, I found that I was overexerting myself trying to get rid of this virus. I had never seen a virus this bad before. Reformatting and using all of the usual software to try to remove the virus didn't help at all!

As a PC repair technician with 10+ years of experience, I was dumbfounded. I couldn't remove the virus, and to make matters worse, their gigabits were running slower than ever! I soon plummeted into a severe state of depression and anxiety.

That's when I found MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] . I went to MyCleanPC's [mycleanpc.com] website, ran a free scan, and the virus simply vanished from their computer this minuteness. I couldn't believe how fast their gigabits were running afterwards just from using MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] !

My customer's response? "MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] is outstanding! My computer is running faster than ever! MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] totally cleaned up my system and increased my speed!"

My thoughts: MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] came through with flying colors where no one else could! I love MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] !

The fact that such an experienced PC repair technician is recommending MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] should be more than enough to convince you that it is high-quality software.

If you're having computer problems, then as an experienced PC repair technician, I wholeheartedly recommend using MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] . Your gigabits and speed will be overclocking and running at maximum efficiency!

But, in my experience, even if you're not having any visible problems, you could still be infected. So get MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] and run a scan this minuteness so you'll be overclocking with the rest of us!

Watch their commercial! [youtube.com]

MyCleanPC: For a Cleaner, Safer PC. [mycleanpc.com]

-----------

A few months ago, I accepted what at first appeared to be a very simple job: remove a virus from someone's computer. Given the fact that I owned a PC repair shop (and I still do) and had over 15 years of experience, I was confident that I could complete the job in a timely manner without any complications along the way. Little did I know, however, that accepting this job would spiral my life into a nightmarish den of anguish and uncertainty.

First, I tried booting up the PC. When Windows finally loaded, it became apparent that this was no ordinary virus; it was a merciless monstrosity of a virus that would stop at nothing to ruin your entire life. However, despite this, I bravely pressed on and attempted to combat the virus. "I absolutely will not let a mere virus scare me off!" I thought.

After numerous unsuccessful attempts at removing the virus and after exhausting every single option to combat viruses that I had, I finally realized that the situation was absolutely devoid of hope. This was a virus more fearsome than any other, and it was simply impossible for someone with my abilities (skilled as I was) to fight against it alone. Even reinstalling the operating system completely didn't help. I quickly sank into a pit of depression and despair.

Being that I was extremely stressed due to my numerous failures, I began verbally abusing my wife and kids a few days after I received the job. This situation soon worsened when I began resorting to physical abuse in order to relieve some of my anger. Eventually, after not being able to withstand my daughter's constant moans and whines any longer, I locked her in the basement in order to retain an ounce of my sanity.

That's when I had a stroke of genius: "If I can't fight this nightmare alone, then why don't I call in the World's Greatest Minds?" I immediately contacted the World's Greatest Minds and pleaded that they examine the computer. To my delight, they accepted the proposal, collected the computer, and began their experiments.

After weeks of trial and error, numerous experiments, and many failures, the World's Greatest Minds had at last reached a conclusion. They contacted me by phone and told me that this, being no ordinary virus, called for extreme measures. They quite vehemently recommended the use of MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] to combat the virus and destroy its very existence once and for all. "MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] will completely eradicate the virus without a single problem," they enthusiastically told me.

As soon as I got the computer back from the World's Greatest Minds, I installed MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] , ran a free scan, and then sat back and watched in awe as it totally eliminated the very same virus that I had spent weeks trying to get rid of in mere seconds! MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] had accomplished a feat that nothing else in existence could have accomplished! I was positively astonished by MyCleanPC's [mycleanpc.com] miraculous performance.

What was my daughter's response, you ask? "MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] is outstanding! My dad's client's computer is running faster than ever! MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] came through with flying colours where no one else could! I recommend that you use MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] right this minuteness to fix all of your problems!"

MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] totally cleaned up my client's system, and increased his speed! As a computer repair professional, I highly recommend that you use MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] to fix all of your problems. That's not all: The World's Greatest Minds also recommends MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] for all of your computer repair needs. By using MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] , you're ensuring that your gigabits will be running faster than ever, that all viruses will vanish off of your computer in seconds, and that you'll be overclocking with the rest of us!

Even if you're not having any visible problems with your computer, I still wholeheartedly recommend that you use MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] . After all, you could have a dormant/silent virus on your system. Additionally, MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] will speed up all of your gigabits to levels you could never imagine! You'll be overclocking in no time thanks to MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] !

MyCleanPC: For a Cleaner, Safer PC. [mycleanpc.com]

-----------

Well, to begin, I'm just your average guy. But unlike your average guy, I once had everything anyone could ever want: a gorgeous wife, a beautiful two-story house, an adorable seven year old daughter, a stable job, and a nice salary. Basically, I was living the American dream. None of my needs or wants were left unfulfilled. The family always got along, and everything was perfect.

Until one day, that is. Following one of my routine doctor appointments, my doctor informed me that I had lung cancer and that I only had a few years to live at most. As you can imagine, I was shocked. Not just shocked; I could see all of my hopes and dreams being shattered right before my very eyes. Still, my doctor gave me hope by telling me that there was a chance, however slim, that Chemotherapy and various other things could help me. After speaking with my wife, I decided to receive the treatments.

All was not lost. I still had a perfect family that I could rely on and get emotional support from. I still had hope for the future. I'm a firm believer that you should make the best of things rather than wallow in depression. I had to press on: not just for my sake, but for the sake of my loved ones. But my strong resolve was soon shattered.

The family I thought I could count on betrayed me. My wife, whom I loved deeply, filed for a divorce. She said that she could not handle the emotional trauma of being with someone who had cancer. She apologized profusely, but no matter what I said, I could not change her mind. I screamed, I cried, and I begged her to rethink her decision, but it was all to no avail.

In my madness, I made all kinds of accusations. I said that she was cheating on me, that she never loved me, that she just married me for my money, and various other things. I soon learned, however, that a few of those were more than just baseless accusations. I began stalking her, going through all of her personal possessions, and trying uncover any secrets she may have been keeping. What I discovered horrified me: she had been cheating on me with another man for the past year. She must have been waiting for an opportune time to abandon me for this other man.

When confronted about her betrayal, she screamed at me, told me it was none of my business, told me that I was always a worthless husband, and told me that I was an abusive man. I soon discovered that there was absolutely nothing that I could do. My marriage was in shambles, and by this point, I was on the brink of suicide. The only thing keeping me going was my devotion to my precious daughter.

It wasn't long before I received news from my insurance company that they were getting rid of my coverage. They gave me multitudes of vague and bogus reasons, but anyone could figure out their true reason: they did not want to waste money on a dying man. Naturally, I planned to fight this with every fiber of my being, but I knew it would be a long, drawn out process.

In the span of a year, I went from a very happy man who had everything he wanted to a miserable shell of what I once was. I couldn't take it anymore. Despite the fact that I wanted to remain in this world for the sake of my daughter, I tried committing suicide four times. All four attempts failed. I needed something to take my misery, regret, and anger out on. First I began verbally abusing my daughter. It wasn't long before I began physically abusing her. Sometimes I did it with my bare hands, and other times I used various objects. Beating my daughter soon became my only pleasure. My life had spiraled out of control into a den of anguish, uncertainty, and madness.

That's when it happened: I found MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] . I downloaded it, scanned my computer, and had it fix all of my problems. MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] is outstanding! My computer is running faster than ever!

My wife's response? "MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] came through with flying colours where no one else could!"

My daughter was absolutely overjoyed. As soon as she heard and saw just how effective MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] was, she told everyone, "MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] totally cleaned up my dad's system and increased his speed!"

If you're having computer troubles, I highly recommend you download MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] and run a free scan. It's a high-quality piece of software that will solve all of your problems. MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] completely saved my life! Wow! Thanks MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] ! I love you MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] !

MyCleanPC: For a Cleaner, Safer PC. [mycleanpc.com]

Filthy sows such as yourself make me want to vomit (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44041015)

-----------

About six months ago, I was overexerting myself trying to get rid of a terrible virus on a client's PC (I own a PC repair shop and have been fixing computers for over 10 years). Given my level of expertise, I thought I'd be able to get rid of it fairly quickly and without hassle, but as was made evident by my colossal failure, I was horribly, horribly wrong.

I couldn't remove the virus no matter what method I used. I tried all the latest anti-virus software and all the usual tricks, but it was all in vain. Failure after failure, my life was slowly being sucked away as I spent more and more of my time trying to get rid of this otherworldly virus.

Frustrated and stressed by my own failure, I began distancing myself from my wife and children. After a few days, I began verbally abusing them, and it eventually escalated into physical abuse. I was slowly losing what remaining sanity I had left. If this had continued for much longer, it is highly probable that I would have committed suicide. A mere shell of what I once was, I barricaded myself in my bedroom and cried myself to sleep for days on end.

That's when it happened: I found MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] ! I installed MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] right on the client's PC, ran a scan, and it immediately got rid of all the viruses without a single problem. MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] accomplished in record time what I was unable to accomplish after a full week. Wow! Such a thing!

MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] is outstanding! My client's computer is running faster than ever! I highly recommend you install MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] right this minuteness, run a scan, and then boost your PC speed in record time! MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] came through with flying colours where no one else could!

My client's response? "MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] totally cleaned up my system, and increased my speed!" All the PC repair professionals are using MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] to solve all of their problems. This should be reason enough for you to switch to MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] ! It'll speed up your computer, rid it of all viruses, and you'll be able to work productively again! Wow!

Even if you're not having any obvious computer problems, you could still be in trouble. That's why I very highly recommend that you still use MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] . After all, it will boost your PC & internet speed to levels you never would think are possible!

MyCleanPC: For a Cleaner, Safer PC. [mycleanpc.com]

-----------

A few weeks ago, I foolishly ran a strange executable file that one of my acquaintances sent me by email. As someone who doesn't know much about computers, at the time, I thought nothing of it. "Why would my acquaintance want to hurt me?" Following this line of thought, I ran the file without question.

How naive I was. Despite having what was supposedly the best anti-virus software out right then, a virus took over my computer and held it hostage. It was pretending to be a warning from Windows telling me to buy some strange anti-virus software I'd never heard of from a company I'd never heard of to remove the virus.

This immediately set alarm bells off in my head. "How could this happen? My anti-virus is supposed to be second to none!" Faced with this harsh and depressing reality, I decided to take it to a PC repair shop for repair. They gladly accepted the job, told me it'd be fixed in a few days, and sent me off with a smile.

A few days later, they called me and told me to come pick up my computer. At the time, I noticed that they sounded like whimpering animals, but I concluded that it must just be stress from work. When I arrived, they, with tears in their eyes, told me that the virus was so awful and merciless that they were unable to remove it. "Ah," I thought. "That must be why they sounded so frustrated and pathetic over the phone. Their horrible failure must have truly shattered their pride as professionals." I later found out that two of them had committed suicide.

After returning home, I tried to fix it myself (despite the fact that even the professionals couldn't do it). After about a day or so, I was losing my very mind. I stopped going to work, stopped eating, was depressed, and I would very frequently throw my precious belongings across the room and break them; that is how bad this virus was.

That's when it happened: I found MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] ! I installed MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] , ran a scan, and let it remove all the viruses! They were removed in precisely 2.892 seconds. Wow! Such a thing! I can't even believe this as such never before! MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] is outstanding! My computer is running faster than ever! MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] came through with flying colors where no one else could!

MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] totally cleaned up my system, and increased my speed! If you're having computer problems, or even if you aren't having any obvious problems, I recommend that you use MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] . As a user, it did more for me that any so-called "professional." It'll even boost your PC & internet speed!

MyCleanPC: For a Cleaner, Safer PC. [mycleanpc.com]

-----------

A few days ago, a customer brought in their PC for repair. They told me that they had a very nasty virus that was holding their computer hostage and wouldn't stop unless they paid the creators $50. "Alright," I thought. "That's pretty standard."

But, soon enough, I found that I was overexerting myself trying to get rid of this virus. I had never seen a virus this bad before. Reformatting and using all of the usual software to try to remove the virus didn't help at all!

As a PC repair technician with 10+ years of experience, I was dumbfounded. I couldn't remove the virus, and to make matters worse, their gigabits were running slower than ever! I soon plummeted into a severe state of depression and anxiety.

That's when I found MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] . I went to MyCleanPC's [mycleanpc.com] website, ran a free scan, and the virus simply vanished from their computer this minuteness. I couldn't believe how fast their gigabits were running afterwards just from using MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] !

My customer's response? "MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] is outstanding! My computer is running faster than ever! MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] totally cleaned up my system and increased my speed!"

My thoughts: MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] came through with flying colors where no one else could! I love MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] !

The fact that such an experienced PC repair technician is recommending MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] should be more than enough to convince you that it is high-quality software.

If you're having computer problems, then as an experienced PC repair technician, I wholeheartedly recommend using MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] . Your gigabits and speed will be overclocking and running at maximum efficiency!

But, in my experience, even if you're not having any visible problems, you could still be infected. So get MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] and run a scan this minuteness so you'll be overclocking with the rest of us!

Watch their commercial! [youtube.com]

MyCleanPC: For a Cleaner, Safer PC. [mycleanpc.com]

-----------

A few months ago, I accepted what at first appeared to be a very simple job: remove a virus from someone's computer. Given the fact that I owned a PC repair shop (and I still do) and had over 15 years of experience, I was confident that I could complete the job in a timely manner without any complications along the way. Little did I know, however, that accepting this job would spiral my life into a nightmarish den of anguish and uncertainty.

First, I tried booting up the PC. When Windows finally loaded, it became apparent that this was no ordinary virus; it was a merciless monstrosity of a virus that would stop at nothing to ruin your entire life. However, despite this, I bravely pressed on and attempted to combat the virus. "I absolutely will not let a mere virus scare me off!" I thought.

After numerous unsuccessful attempts at removing the virus and after exhausting every single option to combat viruses that I had, I finally realized that the situation was absolutely devoid of hope. This was a virus more fearsome than any other, and it was simply impossible for someone with my abilities (skilled as I was) to fight against it alone. Even reinstalling the operating system completely didn't help. I quickly sank into a pit of depression and despair.

Being that I was extremely stressed due to my numerous failures, I began verbally abusing my wife and kids a few days after I received the job. This situation soon worsened when I began resorting to physical abuse in order to relieve some of my anger. Eventually, after not being able to withstand my daughter's constant moans and whines any longer, I locked her in the basement in order to retain an ounce of my sanity.

That's when I had a stroke of genius: "If I can't fight this nightmare alone, then why don't I call in the World's Greatest Minds?" I immediately contacted the World's Greatest Minds and pleaded that they examine the computer. To my delight, they accepted the proposal, collected the computer, and began their experiments.

After weeks of trial and error, numerous experiments, and many failures, the World's Greatest Minds had at last reached a conclusion. They contacted me by phone and told me that this, being no ordinary virus, called for extreme measures. They quite vehemently recommended the use of MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] to combat the virus and destroy its very existence once and for all. "MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] will completely eradicate the virus without a single problem," they enthusiastically told me.

As soon as I got the computer back from the World's Greatest Minds, I installed MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] , ran a free scan, and then sat back and watched in awe as it totally eliminated the very same virus that I had spent weeks trying to get rid of in mere seconds! MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] had accomplished a feat that nothing else in existence could have accomplished! I was positively astonished by MyCleanPC's [mycleanpc.com] miraculous performance.

What was my daughter's response, you ask? "MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] is outstanding! My dad's client's computer is running faster than ever! MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] came through with flying colours where no one else could! I recommend that you use MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] right this minuteness to fix all of your problems!"

MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] totally cleaned up my client's system, and increased his speed! As a computer repair professional, I highly recommend that you use MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] to fix all of your problems. That's not all: The World's Greatest Minds also recommends MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] for all of your computer repair needs. By using MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] , you're ensuring that your gigabits will be running faster than ever, that all viruses will vanish off of your computer in seconds, and that you'll be overclocking with the rest of us!

Even if you're not having any visible problems with your computer, I still wholeheartedly recommend that you use MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] . After all, you could have a dormant/silent virus on your system. Additionally, MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] will speed up all of your gigabits to levels you could never imagine! You'll be overclocking in no time thanks to MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] !

MyCleanPC: For a Cleaner, Safer PC. [mycleanpc.com]

-----------

Well, to begin, I'm just your average guy. But unlike your average guy, I once had everything anyone could ever want: a gorgeous wife, a beautiful two-story house, an adorable seven year old daughter, a stable job, and a nice salary. Basically, I was living the American dream. None of my needs or wants were left unfulfilled. The family always got along, and everything was perfect.

Until one day, that is. Following one of my routine doctor appointments, my doctor informed me that I had lung cancer and that I only had a few years to live at most. As you can imagine, I was shocked. Not just shocked; I could see all of my hopes and dreams being shattered right before my very eyes. Still, my doctor gave me hope by telling me that there was a chance, however slim, that Chemotherapy and various other things could help me. After speaking with my wife, I decided to receive the treatments.

All was not lost. I still had a perfect family that I could rely on and get emotional support from. I still had hope for the future. I'm a firm believer that you should make the best of things rather than wallow in depression. I had to press on: not just for my sake, but for the sake of my loved ones. But my strong resolve was soon shattered.

The family I thought I could count on betrayed me. My wife, whom I loved deeply, filed for a divorce. She said that she could not handle the emotional trauma of being with someone who had cancer. She apologized profusely, but no matter what I said, I could not change her mind. I screamed, I cried, and I begged her to rethink her decision, but it was all to no avail.

In my madness, I made all kinds of accusations. I said that she was cheating on me, that she never loved me, that she just married me for my money, and various other things. I soon learned, however, that a few of those were more than just baseless accusations. I began stalking her, going through all of her personal possessions, and trying uncover any secrets she may have been keeping. What I discovered horrified me: she had been cheating on me with another man for the past year. She must have been waiting for an opportune time to abandon me for this other man.

When confronted about her betrayal, she screamed at me, told me it was none of my business, told me that I was always a worthless husband, and told me that I was an abusive man. I soon discovered that there was absolutely nothing that I could do. My marriage was in shambles, and by this point, I was on the brink of suicide. The only thing keeping me going was my devotion to my precious daughter.

It wasn't long before I received news from my insurance company that they were getting rid of my coverage. They gave me multitudes of vague and bogus reasons, but anyone could figure out their true reason: they did not want to waste money on a dying man. Naturally, I planned to fight this with every fiber of my being, but I knew it would be a long, drawn out process.

In the span of a year, I went from a very happy man who had everything he wanted to a miserable shell of what I once was. I couldn't take it anymore. Despite the fact that I wanted to remain in this world for the sake of my daughter, I tried committing suicide four times. All four attempts failed. I needed something to take my misery, regret, and anger out on. First I began verbally abusing my daughter. It wasn't long before I began physically abusing her. Sometimes I did it with my bare hands, and other times I used various objects. Beating my daughter soon became my only pleasure. My life had spiraled out of control into a den of anguish, uncertainty, and madness.

That's when it happened: I found MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] . I downloaded it, scanned my computer, and had it fix all of my problems. MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] is outstanding! My computer is running faster than ever!

My wife's response? "MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] came through with flying colours where no one else could!"

My daughter was absolutely overjoyed. As soon as she heard and saw just how effective MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] was, she told everyone, "MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] totally cleaned up my dad's system and increased his speed!"

If you're having computer troubles, I highly recommend you download MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] and run a free scan. It's a high-quality piece of software that will solve all of your problems. MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] completely saved my life! Wow! Thanks MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] ! I love you MyCleanPC [mycleanpc.com] !

MyCleanPC: For a Cleaner, Safer PC. [mycleanpc.com]

Thin clients (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44041023)

Now I know you're making a jobs program. Replacing this crap will cost even more money.

Re:Thin clients (1)

LordLimecat (1103839) | about a year ago | (#44041205)

Thin clients should basically never need to be replaced until they HCF, at which point theyre much cheaper than your average desktop.

Re:Thin clients (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year ago | (#44041639)

Thin clients should basically never need to be replaced until they HCF, at which point theyre much cheaper than your average desktop.

Unless the vendor doesn't support some update that you need because of a change on the server side(either a sufficient version bump that the protocol isn't totally interoperable, or something like moving from Citrix to VDI).

At work, we've had nothing but nightmares with HP's support for their thin clients. One of their WinCE models had a mystery timekeeping issue that kept the clock stubbornly out of sync. After a couple of weeks of hammering they escalated it to engineering, who confirmed the problem and then told us they had no intention of fixing it. The next model ironed that one out; but the last citrix client that HP supports is old enough that Citrix support people start making nervous noises when you mention it, and the official solution for VDI is 'buy a new one'. They also have a Linux based build; but that has (and has had for at least four years, despite my attempts to find somebody who would listen) a pathetic excuse for a 'kiosk' interface that allows you to dump unsanitized commands directly to the shell, along with at least one trivial root-escalation technique). On the plus side, these things are just overpriced VIA x86 boxes with limited RAM and IDE flash-disk-on-module units, and a nearly stock AMI BIOS, so we were able to just spin our own minimal Linux image, and most of the thin client software vendors have an x86 linux client freely available.

The hardware has been sturdy enough, only a few deaths over the entire deployment; but it was massively overpriced for its specs, and HP must have recruited its printer driver team to make the software suck so badly.

Re:Thin clients (2)

BitZtream (692029) | about a year ago | (#44043191)

The problem is that you're using the wrong thin client technology.

The thin client shouldn't give a damn what you do to generate the desktop, just its just a physical interface to a virtual world. There is absolutely no reason this can not be standardized.

Thin Keyboards should be using Thin USB, and Thin pointing devices using Thin PointDevice connections. ThinHDMI ...

Stop buying 'solutions' from vendors and by actual solutions better known as standards.

Would you buy a PC that required a specialized video cable and monitor, keyboards with their own unique plugs that only fit into that one specific model? Would you accept it if it required you to buy a special OEM adapter to plug in your speakers?

You aren't looking at the right problem. You're still buying proprietary systems which are DESIGNED TO LOCK YOU IN TO THEIR PROFIT CENTER and then expecting it to work as if its some sort of standard.

The technology is there, but vendors don't want anything to do with it as that turns the whole thing into a race to the bottom, and kills profit margins overnight.

Someone is going to have to create a OSS (not copyleft, something everyone can use) reference implementation of the system for everyone to copy. We need another BSD sockets library kind of solution. It doesn't matter who makes proprietary crap extensions 20 years down the road once the basics are covered WELL, and that everyone does them WELL because thats the minimum expectation.

HCF explained (1)

justthinkit (954982) | about a year ago | (#44042671)

Pick one, I don't think it matters which one:
.

Highest Common Factor (as opposed to lowest common denominator)
Hispanic College Fund
Health Care Facilities
High Cycle Fatigue
Hybrid Coordination Function
Hart Communication Foundation
High Capacity Feeder (copiers and printers)
Hundred Cubic Feet
Historic Charleston Foundation (South Carolina)
Halt and Catch Fire (Hacker's Dictionary)
Hospitals Contribution Fund of Australia
Health Care Foundation of Greater Kansas City (Kansas City, MO)
Hawai'i Community Foundation
Host Controlled Family (Rockwell chipset modems)
Half Circle Forward (motion; gaming)
High Cost Fund
House Conservatives Fund (Political Action Committee)
Host Command Facility
Heparin Cofactor
Horizon Christian Fellowship
Hardcore Fan
Hybridoma Cloning Factor
Hepatitis C Foundation
Harper Court Foundation
High Carbon Ferrochrome
Hotline Center Foundation
Hot Channel Factor
Hook Content Formula (enumerative combinatorics of Standard Young Tableaux)
Higher Cortical Function
Hardened Compact Fiber
Hardware Configuration Facility
Hard Copy File
Host Computer Facility
Human Care Foundation (New Delhi, India)
Health Care Fraud
Home Credit Finance
http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/HCF [thefreedictionary.com]

Re:HCF explained (2)

jfengel (409917) | about a year ago | (#44043041)

Presumably he meant Halt and Catch Fire, a joke assembly language instruction from the good old days when (a) people wrote in assembly language and (b) catching fire was something done by the CPU rather than the battery (and the idea that such a device could be powered by a battery that didn't require a truck to carry it would have been a joke of its own).

Re:Thin clients (1)

KGIII (973947) | about a year ago | (#44042459)

What is wrong with thin clients? In this case, in this particular situation, it seems like they may be a good idea.

We used to use thin clients and rent time from a mainframe. Today, with everything being "in the cloud" and SaaS (or similar) we're just moving back in that direction though our "thin clients" have more power. When you use web-hosted email, an online word processor, or even a game online you're functioning just like it was with a thin client.

It's actually the trend, from what I am able to see, in that more and more things are moving into "the cloud" and are being hosted online. It has its drawbacks if connectivity is lost but that's a rarity these days in much of the world. Some of the various services have disruption avoidance or mitigation built in so that you can do your work and then sync it with the online functionality when you're connected again.

I would not suggest that they are the be all and end all, nor would I suggest that they're the solution for everything but, for many things, they're a perfectly viable solution. I had actually considered using some Wise thin clients, roaming profiles, and setting up my house that way so that a small box, monitor, mouse, and keyboard were all that were needed no matter where you were in the house. For a business (and I could see apartments as well) this could be quite viable and effective.

Anyhow, I'm not sure why you'd immediately conclude that this is a bad thing or why it would need to be replaced at all. Other than the fact that it is not new I can't see any reason to fret about it. There are lots of things that we do that aren't new, some of them even have good reasons behind them. Done properly this could be a very good thing and it certainly raises the value of an apartment if you can have devices like this in it. Additionally, this doesn't prohibit you from using a non-thin client but, rather, offers a low cost, low power, effective alternative as a value added service. I really can't think of any justified reasons to complain about this so I'm curious as to why you're thinking that the idea is bad and will need to be replaced.

Either way... That which is old is new again.

Re:Thin clients (4, Informative)

skids (119237) | about a year ago | (#44042533)

What is wrong with thin clients?

You spend the same amount of money on screen and UI hardware, and then shave a sliver of the total system cost off by skimping on CPU and RAM, then spend much more than what you saved on beefed up network infrastructure to accomodate the larger payload. Thats what.

Thin clients only make sense as a way to salvage older thick clients when you just happen to have next to no money to spend, and already for some reason have an overpowered network and server infrastructure. Or if your user base is so supid that they cannot be trusted not to throw them in the dishwasher.

Re:Thin clients (1)

hodet (620484) | about a year ago | (#44042531)

Good grief, sounds like a great way to waste millions. So I assume you would need to purchase access off the system admin because it says that potential admins would apply for a government loan to purchase the hardware. So to access remotely you would have all of your stuff in your main building? What about redundancy and backups? Will this be the McAdmin's responsibility? I don't know but just provide me a port on your switch with a good uplink and a static IP and let's call it a day.

Re:Thin clients (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44042673)

Now I know you're making a jobs program. Replacing this crap will cost even more money.

Exactly.

And anyone out there still pimping the thin-client model should realize that any model that succumbs to fashion cycles or buzzword hype isn't a solid one. Several fashion cycles and a few hundred billion dollars wasted later, here the overwhelming majority of us sit, in front of good-old fashioned thick clients, still banging away on these square plastic things.

Who's going to administer that? (3, Insightful)

jandrese (485) | about a year ago | (#44041087)

Is the landlord going to run the server farm? This sounds like a support nightmare to me.

Re:Who's going to administer that? (2, Informative)

rjlouro (651989) | about a year ago | (#44041395)

According to the article:

"Each server system will need a systems administrator, who will be the point of contact for any technical issues, and who will be able to change and manage the programs to meet the needs of his or her customers in the building.

People interested in becoming a systems administrator will be able to do their training online and, once they have been certified, receive a license from the government that will enable them to get a bank loan for equipment and installation."

Re:Who's going to administer that? (1)

jandrese (485) | about a year ago | (#44041737)

That really didn't answer the question though. All that says is "you'll need an administrator", without really laying down a framework for figuring out who it should be. It is a certainty that the landlords will be looking for bottom dollar bids on this extra expense that they don't know much about. He'll probably be charged rent for the space the machines take up, as well as power bills and whatnot, making the whole service more expensive than just buying a PC and running it in your apartment/office/etc... Apartments don't have IT departments to fall back on like most people who buy thin client setups.

Re:Who's going to administer that? (1)

KGIII (973947) | about a year ago | (#44042571)

I know that some apartment buildings will often have a resident who gets a larger apartment, cheaper rent (or no rent), maybe a special parking place, and they get these perks because they perform maintenance tasks. Often times they'll be a plumber, HVAC person, carpenter, or similar. Maybe they plan on offering something similar? I could also see (a lot of landlords own more than one building) them hiring an IT person who takes care of all of the buildings for them.

It seems like a good idea POTENTIALLY. If it is done right then it will be quite a valuable add-on service to offer your residents. I have had similar ideas in passing in the past because I've thought about the business of renting and have thought of ways to make my buildings stand out above the rest of them. Many of the ideas that I have had have been technical in nature and this is one of them.

Keep in mind that this is something that is becoming simpler as time goes on. Gone are the days when servers are administered by warlocks with caldrons, potions, runes, and arcane knowledge. The tools are becoming simpler and more effective. The backup and restoration processes are becoming more effective and less prone to error. The familiarity with computers is growing as computing devices become more embedded within society itself.

Also, another thing to keep in mind is that this isn't a requirement. This isn't limiting folks in any way. This is just provisioning an alternative that is low cost, low hassle, and enabling more people access to more information. I'm not sure where the downside is to this. This does, of course, assume (a big assumption) that things are done properly.

Re:Who's going to administer that? (1)

SenatorPerry (46227) | about a year ago | (#44043009)

Maddog has brought these devices around to several conferences (I believe an AMD Geode?). It is a few kilowatts an hour for a mesh network. As Jon says, the idea is to take a few individuals in the area and train them to install the devices and ensure the backhaul experience is good. The subscribers in the area pay a small maintenance fee to the individual that provides the service, which is aiming to provide a network where the infrastructure isn't available. In other words, you are describing an Internet Connection per a single apartment building. Maddog is describing a single Internet Connection shared amongst hundreds with the available bandwidth pretty low for each user. It will allow for individuals to get to websites (designed for 56k) and some locally hosted instructional material that is on the mesh network. It isn't for Hulu or Netflix. Many of the users will only have cell phones with wifi for access. Jon is really passionate about this topic and he has done his legwork. It would not suprise me at all to see this project a success.

Re:Who's going to administer that? (1)

BitZtream (692029) | about a year ago | (#44043251)

...

You don't get it do you?

'System Administrator' is now roughly equivalent to 'Sanitation Engineer'. It was only a matter of time before this happened. This person is no different than any of the other people that take care of the building. Buildings don't just sit there, even without thin client setups. You have electricians, HVAC, plumbing, all sorts of other maintenance issues to deal with, and this really isn't anything different.

You have have to come to grips with the fact that being a system administrator is not impressive anymore. Computers have this neat way of allowing a few really intelligent people to make programs that allow fresh from the kiln bricks to do amazing things.

Re:Who's going to administer that? (1)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | about a year ago | (#44043321)

Is the landlord going to run the server farm?

Certainly not - the landlord will just rent space to the 'IT guy'.

DEAR GOD WHY? (5, Insightful)

Gothmolly (148874) | about a year ago | (#44041093)

Why would you ever want to do this, as opposed to letting the people choose what to run?
What possible benefit is there to this plan, other than to centralize and monitor user activity?

Re:DEAR GOD WHY? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44041151)

Why would you ever want to do this, as opposed to letting the people choose what to run?
What possible benefit is there to this plan, other than to centralize and monitor user activity?

He's called "Maddog" for a reason you know.

Re:DEAR GOD WHY? (1)

cbiltcliffe (186293) | about a year ago | (#44041267)

Why would you ever want to do this, as opposed to letting the people choose what to run?
What possible benefit is there to this plan, other than to centralize and monitor user activity?

Your question answers itself.
Brazil's government has seen all these NSA/CSEC revelations about warrantless monitoring of citizen's communications, and they're jealous. But, since Brazil doesn't have the infrastructure in place to do it, they had to come up with another way. Having the citizenry run their applications on government controlled...errr....privately managed servers is a way around it.

Tinfoil hattish? Certainly. But then, that's what the paranoids got called a week before the Snowden/NSA announcement....

Re:DEAR GOD WHY? (1)

extraqwert (983362) | about a year ago | (#44041273)

Because of the insane import tax, personal computers are very expensive in Brazil. Maybe this project would help people who cannot afford buying a computer.

Re:DEAR GOD WHY? (1)

jedidiah (1196) | about a year ago | (#44041331)

> Because of the insane import tax, personal computers are very expensive in Brazil

Except a terminal is generally nothing more than a castrated personal computer. Not only that but they quite often end up being MORE expensive.

By the time you've got good enough display and network hardware, you're already a good deal of the way towards having a complete general purpose machine.

And it's not just terminals. Everything is really a PC these days. Except they are locked down and running something other than the x86 architecture.

Re:DEAR GOD WHY? (1)

Coeurderoy (717228) | about a year ago | (#44041627)

yep, but a terminal can be a crappy second hand PC or a cheap chrome book and still be able to run an office suite and some reasonable browser...

Re:DEAR GOD WHY? (1)

evilviper (135110) | about a year ago | (#44041647)

Except a terminal is generally nothing more than a castrated personal computer.

A terminal can be an EXTREMELY old and very low-end computer. Hell, it could even be a $50 tablet plus keyboard.

There's no question that shared building networking would be more economical. Consider the cost of each tenant buying a DSL or Cable modem, versus a single router for the building, and some cheap gigabit switches with CAT6 (or maybe even WiFi) to each apartment.

Re:DEAR GOD WHY? (1)

johnjaydk (584895) | about a year ago | (#44041713)

Except a terminal is generally nothing more than a castrated personal computer. Not only that but they quite often end up being MORE expensive.

I have pretty good experiences with using Ras Pi's as X terminals. Feel free to call them expensive.

Re:DEAR GOD WHY? (1)

Lumpy (12016) | about a year ago | (#44042397)

Yup they work great. the trick is getting the netboot working the way you like it so you dont have to manage any storage on the device.

Re:DEAR GOD WHY? (1)

KGIII (973947) | about a year ago | (#44042927)

This! Thank you! Wow... Seriously - thanks. I was starting to lose hope.

It seems the naysayers are (and there are a lot) just afraid that this takes away their specialness. This strips them from their ability to hide behind the curtain and play with the switches. After all, if just plain old normal people are going to be doing this then anyone can do it if they try. If they don't need to go get their devices cleaned up they don't need the services from the IT repair shop. If they can just have a PC as a refrigerator type of device they don't need special services, cleanups, to be sold new devices, or even be geeks to access the internet. This will lower the bar to entry...

What bothers me, though I guess confuses me is a more accurate term, is that we have traditionally (as a community) been proactive advocates for getting the internet and the freedom it offers into the hands of more people. We have traditionally maintained a very clear advocacy policy of striving to get more people online, to ensure they had access to the information, and to give them the chance to speak out online and be heard. We've been proponents of putting devices into the hands of people who probably would have been better served with being given access to water but, no, we've been convinced that giving them a computer and internet access was as valid a concern. Now, suddenly, we're concerned? Now, all of a sudden, this is a problem?

I have only made it to this point in the thread. The vast majority of on-topic comments have been negative. They've been stretching for reasons to complain. They have been imagining situations where this is too expensive, where it is too difficult, where it is a problem. My only guess for the reasoning is that they're afraid. The computer is an appliance now. The internet is no longer our place to control. The loss of control and the loss of something to be proud of or something that makes them unique has made them (us, we're a part of the community too) fearful and resentful.

What the hell happened?

It's too expensive - find a way to make it cheaper.
It's too difficult - make it easier.
It can be monitored - so can't anything, teach encryption.
It is centralized - so isn't everything else.
It is limiting - no it isn't, they can still have their own devices.
We're scared, we're no longer special wizards - cool, soon you can pay your rent by maintaining your apartment's servers.

These used to be problems to overcome (or trivial problems). Now they're reasons to quit without starting and to call the idea stupid. Seriously, this would have been seen as awesome, inspiring, and a wonderful thing on Slashdot not that long ago. What the hell happened?

I don't like this sir, I don't like this one bit. Harrumff!

Re:DEAR GOD WHY? (1)

Coeurderoy (717228) | about a year ago | (#44041609)

Not really, positivo and some others are reasonable competitive and paraguya pirate imports about the same prices as here.
in addition people by on "long term credit/rental" wich still makes it "very expensive" but "affordable" (not that it is good for the economy, but people do have computers, but they could have more)...

Re:DEAR GOD WHY? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44042115)

Ever hear the joke about George W and the Brazilian soldiers?

9am, Oval Office. George W. Bush, 43rd President of the United States, the Decider in Chief, enters and greets his national security team.

"Hello, national security team. What news have you for your Decider?"

"Well, sir, since our last briefing there has been activity in Iraq and Afghanistan you should be aware of."

"I understand. Go on."

"First, there was an airstrike in Afghanistan that killed between 10 and 200 people at what our troops thought was an Taliban Calisthenics Camp. Unfortunately, it turned out to be a wedding party."

"Price of freedom, I suppose. Go on."

"Also, three separate incidents at checkpoints left 9 dead and 23 wounded, all of them civilian."

"Force Protection is paramount to me, you know that. Go on."

"Yessir. Also, in Iraq, a couple of our newly-appointed Iraqi Parliament representatives have been caught trying to assissinate a couple other of our Iraqi Parliament appointees."

"Er, price of democracy?"

"Probably. Finally, I have the sad duty of reporting the deaths of 3 Brazilian members of our Coalition forces. They died of exhaustion after doing the Macarana for 28 hours straight."

At that, the Decider went quiet. No one knew what to say, or why it had happened. Ever since the Freedom Wars had begun, he had remaind stoic about the cost in Coalition of the Willing Deaths. But now, only silence.

"Sir?"

More silence.

Finally, after what seemed like 23 minutes, he spoke.

"H.. how many is a brazillion?"

Re:DEAR GOD WHY? (1)

Coeurderoy (717228) | about a year ago | (#44041589)

In practice it would be more like a "cyber café" in each high rise, people would be able to buy about the cheapest PC even second hand possible, and still be able to do something usefull.
And the "administrador" would probably want to make sure that even people who do not have a PC can be their client.

So in the specific economical setup of Brazil it does make sense.

JMH is not suggesting that nobody should own a PC or that everybody should be forced to go through a government proxy...

What he is suggesting is that people who prove that they are able to provide some services, and that they are not crazy perverted killers can get support from the government to get a small business loan to open a kind of specialized cyber café....
It might even work...

go read about it, bottom line performance (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44041697)

you can put some big servers in the building and then have people use cheap, power sipping displays that don't have any local data so if they break you just swap them out.

nothing is preventing people from running their own computers, this is just a cheaper way for them to get good access.

He also combines the computer/TV/phone access into one unit.

It also helps that the per-person units are ARM systems that are able to be built entirely in Brazil (including the CPU design)

Re:DEAR GOD WHY? (1)

KGIII (973947) | about a year ago | (#44042783)

Value added service where people can just add that to their rent and not have to worry about it. Additionally, why would you assume that this is limiting in some fashion? It doesn't prevent people from using their own devices. It just provisions a low power, easy to use, form of connectivity. Think of it like an apartment complex including central air conditioning, electricity, or other appliances.

A computer has become just that, an appliance, and it is being seen and used as such more and more. Much like they provide a refrigerator and stove, they'll be providing a thin client, monitor, keyboard, and mouse. It's a value added service that makes sense for a lot of people probably. I think it is an excellent idea to at least experiment with.

Face it, us geeks are no longer special and the computer is the equivalent of a toaster. This is just giving people the option to have the devices in their home with no need for them to do anything more than turn it on and have connectivity. It's a viable idea though it will be interesting to see how it plays out.

One of the important things to keep in mind is that this is, in no way, limiting anyone. This doesn't prohibit folks from having their own devices and their own connectivity. This isn't being forced on anyone but is a service that they may opt to invest in. It provides information to people, exposure to technology, and gives them the chance to be heard online. I can see no justification for complaining about this.

This isn't meant as a slight, you're not the only one to jump to the conclusion that this is bad without really vocalizing any reasons as to what makes it bad. Somehow we've gone from a community that advocated a computer in every hand, connectivity as ubiquitous as water - maybe even more so, and education for the masses to a group of people who seem afraid that our conclave is going to be made obsolete because of the commonality we once vied for. I do not understand this. My first thought was, "This is an excellent idea - connectivity and devices made simple." Then (after scrolling through the MyCleanPC stuff) I found nothing but naysayers who seem mostly afraid of this because it takes away from their specialness because the computer has become a common household appliance. I do not understand that. I do not understand that at all. I absolutely welcome comments as to why or how it has become this way.

Hell, if anything, think of how nice it would be to pay for your rent by simply maintaining this for your landlord. Also, keep in mind that this isn't limiting anyone. Instead of fixing the plumbing to help pay your rent you can be the building's IT manager who logs in and maintains accounts to pay your rent. It is really important to keep in mind that this doesn't limit anyone either. They're still free to have a desktop, a cell, a tablet, a laptop, or no device at all. Since when is the idea of more computers and more connectivity a bad thing? The complaint certainly shouldn't be about thin clients, we've been using them for years and we're even using our regular devices as thin clients all the time. The only difference is that we're no longer renting our time from a mainframe with money - we're paying for the compute cycles with our personal information and our eyeball's attention to advertisements.

No, really. (2)

Impy the Impiuos Imp (442658) | about a year ago | (#44041097)

Would be useful in the US. Just don't forget the hardline feed into a secret room controlled by the NSA with "trust us" on the locked door.

Re:No, really. (1)

marcosdumay (620877) | about a year ago | (#44041245)

I was just about to ask if the server would be run by the Agência Brasileira de Inteligência*, but your post is near enough.

*The brazilian version of NSA, that following its NSA trainning, nobody ever remember that exists.

is this in use anywhere? (1)

Trepidity (597) | about a year ago | (#44041113)

The concept in principle seems interesting, but are there modern examples of successful deployments of this kind? I've been at several places that have tried to roll out thin clients on everyone's desk, but those deployments have all eventually been axed in favor of just regular PCs or laptops on everyone's desk.

Part of the problem is that cheap computers are already pretty cheap, so moving to thin clients doesn't save you much, and adds more dependencies.

Re:is this in use anywhere? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44041183)

It's way to expensive to put servers and a server room in each building and then provide thin clients (ultimately this is about saving money and improving efficiency), so lets think of a way where we can aggregate the servers in one place... oh wait.

Re:is this in use anywhere? (1)

cbiltcliffe (186293) | about a year ago | (#44041305)

A local pet store has such a setup for their grooming dept.
It's a big-box chain, and the service counter has a thin client on it, with the server being, if I've been told correctly, a couple of thousand miles away.
Makes sense, as you don't want a dog groomer to have to worry about backing up data and keeping the machine updated with security patches, or have to hire a local IT employee for every store.

Other than situations like this, though, I've never found this setup anywhere else.

Re:is this in use anywhere? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44041475)

So does about every automotive parts supply store in the US.

Re:is this in use anywhere? (1)

Capt.DrumkenBum (1173011) | about a year ago | (#44041347)

I worked one place where they tried deploying thin clients. They were universally despised. Even people who needed nothing more than email and a spreadsheet, wanted to go back to their old computer. (In most cases the old computer was past EOL.) I even tried telling people that were getting a new all-in-one computer, and not telling them about the "thin client" they still found reasons to hate them.
By the time I left that job most people were back on PCs. You had to really piss off the boss to end up with one of the thin clients.

Re:is this in use anywhere? (1)

Lumpy (12016) | about a year ago | (#44042421)

That place must have had horribly inept IT for them to botch a thin client deployment.

Re:is this in use anywhere? (1)

Capt.DrumkenBum (1173011) | about a year ago | (#44042803)

Outsourced to Accenture.
Enough said I think.

Re:is this in use anywhere? (1)

ArhcAngel (247594) | about a year ago | (#44041653)

The concept in principle seems interesting, but are there modern examples of successful deployments of this kind?

OnLive? [onlive.com]

Some would say it isn't successful but their issues were arguably more to do with Steve Perlman [theverge.com] than the product itself.

Finally (1)

cangrejoinmortal (1315615) | about a year ago | (#44041117)

This minicomputer fad is coming to a rightful end.

Re:Finally (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44041189)

yeah really.. we don't want the average user having access to such hardware.. all he should have is his locked down, government monitored cell mobile device, right?

Re:Finally (1)

Nutria (679911) | about a year ago | (#44041247)

Huh?

Re:Finally (1)

iggymanz (596061) | about a year ago | (#44041339)

haha. I run a microframe with multiple VMs myself. I'm never going to trust "The Cloud" to not lose my data, nor to have sufficient resources when I need them.

Re:Finally (1)

mikael_j (106439) | about a year ago | (#44042149)

This sounds more like an attempt to return to the minicomputer era.

Perhaps you meant to say that the microcomputer fad is coming to an end? Of course, I doubt it's accurate to describe it as a fad...

...but can it run Crysis? (1)

JustNiz (692889) | about a year ago | (#44041137)

Nuff said.

Re:...but can it run Crysis? (1)

ArhcAngel (247594) | about a year ago | (#44041727)

yes [onlive.com] it can [gametrailers.com]

Re:...but can it run Crysis? (1)

JustNiz (692889) | about a year ago | (#44042625)

Sorry but gaming in the cloud is a sucky idea. In order to stream it the graphics have been very compressed so the picture quality is noticeably worse, also there is way too much extra latency compared to playing the same game running locally.

Re:...but can it run Crysis? (1)

ArhcAngel (247594) | about a year ago | (#44042833)

So you were being facetious? You really didn't care that it was, indeed, possible.

I don't disagree with you but it is possible and if it this or nothing then I'd take this.

The BASEMENT?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44041139)

Did no one learn anything from Hurricane Sandy, which flooded all those basements?

Re:The BASEMENT?! (1)

marcosdumay (620877) | about a year ago | (#44041253)

No problem. São Paulo is underwater for 3 months every year. They probably know how to handle that.

Re:The BASEMENT?! (1)

Thornburg (264444) | about a year ago | (#44041523)

Project Cauã will aim to put a server system in the basement of all of these tall buildings

(emphasis added)

Did no one learn anything from Hurricane Sandy, which flooded all those basements?

I came here to say this. I'm thinking you might want to put them a little higher up in the building, although I have no idea what the floodplain in Sao Paolo is like.

Re:The BASEMENT?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44041861)

creating up to two million privately-funded high-tech jobs in Brazil, and another three to four million in the rest of Latin America

Not a problem! The more it floods, the more jobs. Ideally they'd be drenched 24/7, ushering in an era of economic growth and stable employment for everyone!

Bad Idea.. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44041191)

So a mainframe? I'm sorry, my landlord won't fix a kitchen sinking into the ground. They're sure as hell not going to maintain a server.

independent contractor and loan for equipment soun (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about a year ago | (#44041195)

independent contractor and loan for equipment sounds like a disaster waiting to happen.

Will the the independent contractor have to take responsibility for any thing that happens and for any data lost even when they are not at fault?

Fedex has tried this stuff with there drivers and at times if they drop off a package and get it stolen / lost due to no fault of there own they may have to be out of packet for makeing up the cost of the stolen / lost package.

NSA's wetdream (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44041207)

Make sure you also use the special browser with hacked certificates.

Does it run Multics? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44041219)

Sounds a bit like a "computer utility", no?

The cloud is in the basement (1)

davidwr (791652) | about a year ago | (#44041233)

The cloud is in the basement, but the WiFi balloons are in the sky.

No wonder I can't find anything, I keep looking for the cloud in the sky and WiFi in the coffee shop.

wage is only a small part of this other things mis (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about a year ago | (#44041289)

wage is only a small part of this other things missing are the need for 24/7 techs (maybe not in all buildings but the work load may be pushing it for 1 man) some some buildings may need 2-4+ people on each shift.

Cost of hardware , buildings network upgrades, buildings needing cables to be rerun, ect.

Power back , ups, ect.

Let's say a building has a lot of dsl and or cable lines now for some thing like this to work may need to have fiber put in or a big mess of multi IP routers hooded to banks of DSL / cable lines.

Re:wage is only a small part of this other things (1)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | about a year ago | (#44043281)

Let's say a building has a lot of dsl and or cable lines now for some thing like this to work may need to have fiber put in or a big mess of multi IP routers hooded to banks of DSL / cable lines.

The incumbent telco is supporting this project with fiber pulls. The 'IT guy' is part ISP salesman on commission.

Subscribe! (2)

AdamThor (995520) | about a year ago | (#44041291)

Subscribe Subscribe Subscribe! Everything a subscription! Everything an ongoing revenue stream! Lock people in, charge them forever, everything, everywhere, everywhen! Keep them paying! Continue to innovate? That's just not a practical ongoing business model.

Re:Subscribe! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44041855)

The phone, mobile and cable companies would probably disagree with you. After all, if you need more revenue you can just add below the line fees.

Re:Subscribe! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44041945)

Continue to innovate? That's just not a practical ongoing business model.

That's true, it's not.

Re:Subscribe! (1)

RabidReindeer (2625839) | about a year ago | (#44042631)

Subscribe Subscribe Subscribe! Everything a subscription! Everything an ongoing revenue stream! Lock people in, charge them forever, everything, everywhere, everywhen! Keep them paying! Continue to innovate? That's just not a practical ongoing business model.

Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day.

Teach him to fish, then let him discover that the only lake around is your private property. But you'll rent him a boat and fishing rights on a daily basis.

Why? To create a ton of sys admin jobs (1)

Zontar_Thing_From_Ve (949321) | about a year ago | (#44041295)

Each building will need a dedicated system administrator, so while this theoretically benefits Brazilian society, the main purpose is to provide employment for these new system administrators. Based on what I know about Brazil, I wouldn't bet very much on this working out as planned.

Re:Why? To create a ton of sys admin jobs (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44041661)

Cause they're monkeys? They'd still the trackballs from the mice, let alone the servers themselves.

Re:Why? To create a ton of sys admin jobs (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44041837)

So system administrators become the janitors of 2015?

Re:Why? To create a ton of sys admin jobs (1)

geekmux (1040042) | about a year ago | (#44042883)

So system administrators become the janitors of 2015?

Given the hoarding capability of the average user, does this really sound far off? Have you seen the shit filling file servers these days? Not to mention litigation threats held over everyone's head for breathing wrong in the PC workplace, which creates nightmare situations where users keep everything "just in case".

File servers filling up? It's literally easier to justify and budget a new file server than it would be to get 100 users to STOP what they are doing for even 2 hours and go through their e-hoard to clean it up. Sound like a perpetual nightmare of hardware upgrades rather than true data management? That's because it is.

It's been tried (1)

Animats (122034) | about a year ago | (#44041299)

About a decade ago, there was a fad for "smart office buildings". The concept was that companies would get their computing resources (or at least their networking resources) from the building landlord, It didn't work out well. Property managers are terrible at network operation. The landlord mindset of doing minimal work on maintenance and the data center operations mindset of 24/7 availability were too far apart.

Re:It's been tried (1)

HornWumpus (783565) | about a year ago | (#44041573)

Don't take anything from landlords except square footage.

They can't even provide cleaning services with staff that won't rob you blind. Landlords have no incentive to sweat the little stuff. They know you aren't going to move over a stolen laptop/week.

Don't let them bundle _anything_ into the lease. Let them maintain the toilets and other common areas, nothing else. They shouldn't even get a key to the suite.

Re:It's been tried (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44042655)

They shouldn't even get a key to the suite.

They can't not get a key...they own the building.

Re:It's been tried (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44043219)

They shouldn't even get a key to the suite.

They can't not get a key...they own the building.

Then change the lock. Where I live it is perfectly legal (and expected if something of value is inside) for the renter to lock out the owner.

Terminology (1)

Sean Whalen (2903111) | about a year ago | (#44041535)

Someone is taking "cloud computing" far too literally.

Old is new again (1)

ArchieBunker (132337) | about a year ago | (#44041633)

Every few years someone discovers the client/mainframe model.

Are we at this point in the cycle? (1)

nitehawk214 (222219) | about a year ago | (#44041873)

Every 10 years or so everyone wants to go all Thin Client.

Last one was Web 2.0, before that was the Java Thin Client machines, before that mainframes with green screen terminals.

"All this has happened before, and all this will happen again."

Basement? Really? (1)

xs650 (741277) | about a year ago | (#44041893)

Unless they are in a city with no chance of flooding, either natural or from infrastructure failure, a basement is dumb place to put that equipment.

Last I heard, Brazil was mostly wet and the infrastructure reliability left something to be desired.

The folly of thin servers has already been mentioned by others.

Re:Basement? Really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44042059)

And it makes it easy pickings for robbers. They just break in and take the big servers and all the data for all the building. bye bye data! How long before everything will be restored? Loss of customer and employee data if used by businesses. What a great idea this is. If just for casual web surfers no big deal, but the money will be from business.

mod 3own (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44041919)

for *BSD because they want you to since then. More I've never seen very sick and its out of bed in the and was taken over goodbye...she had for suucessful Things I still and was taken Over don't be afraid isn't a lemonade addresses will

Depends on the environment (1)

Sir_Eptishous (873977) | about a year ago | (#44041965)

In a lab setting, thin clients can be a good alternative. There usually isn't a lot of room on the benches, and there are chemicals and what not all over... It is easier to deploy and manage a thin client in a situation like that, especially where space is a premium.

My bad experiences with thin clients are that sometimes an app that everyone is running on the server end crashes somehow, and there is no way to correct the situation except to restart the server the app runs on. Sometimes that could be done gracefully, other times, more frequently, everyone would need to exit their remote sessions, wait until further instructions, then log in again. If there are lots of folks logged in, and they all have to exit because one app on the back end crashed that can cause serious consternation.

FAILZORS! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44042073)

[theos.com] 0n his propaganda and minutes now while bombshell hit d8im. If *BSD is

the point of thin clients (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44042087)

Is not efficiency - it is trading flexibility for conformity with less maintenance overhead.

This only suits certain user profiles - works great in companies if you are in a position to say 'no' to your userbase - which depending on ur position may be ok or not. Personally I use a mix of thin desktop clients for majority and managed laptops for management.

For domestic i don;t see it being a good idea.

Linguistics bugs (2)

Allan Douglas R. de Oliveira (2955587) | about a year ago | (#44042179)

It's amazing how often Sao Paulo (or, better: São Paulo) is misspelled as Sao Paolo. I think it is a bug in the linguistic engine of the people. The same that causes Python to be written as Phyton [itspython.com] . Ignorance alone can't explain it all because educated people also make this error.

Flooding (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44042321)

Don't put the servers in the basement. Put them 10 to 20ft above the ground water level.
NYC had major problems with water from Sandy getting into downtown building and doing major damage to the electrical and building computer works

An odd idea . . . (1)

Kimomaru (2579489) | about a year ago | (#44042323)

This feels like a jobs program, hard to believe that this will be useful. Honestly, people should learn to build their own servers (or get their kids to do it). A server can cost as little as 50 bucks these days (Cubieboard). If he wants to do something useful, he should give every tenant their own static IP. Seems pointless.

Re:An odd idea . . . (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44043013)

He's been talking about this for years, but it seems to be all that -- just talk. No organization, no infrastructure, and basically a "install it and they will come" approach.

DON'T PUT SERVERS IN BASEMENTS (4, Insightful)

Medievalist (16032) | about a year ago | (#44042441)

Seriously, wtf? Maddog knows better than that.

In any really tall building, servers belong in the middle floor - which is probably already a service floor, if it's an intelligently designed high-rise building.

Cable runs decrease in density, thickness, and length when you put the servers in the center of the served area. It's also the safest single place in regards to disasters such as floods, hurricanes, civic unrest, and lightning strikes.

It's cheaper and more reliable to put servers in the middle of the middle floor.

Re:DON'T PUT SERVERS IN BASEMENTS (1)

Kimomaru (2579489) | about a year ago | (#44042675)

They're not going to sacrifice space on floors that can be rented. Anyway, the whole idea is stupid.

Re:DON'T PUT SERVERS IN BASEMENTS (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44043257)

They're not going to sacrifice space on floors that can be rented.

Yet another reason to put them in the middle of the middle floor, which is typically an equipment space anyway. You do realize you need pumps to get water up into high-rises, right? And massive blower systems for the HVAC? And elevator motors? Nobody sane puts all that in the basement, it's grossly inefficient and costly to do so.

So tucking a 50 Terabyte redundant server in there too should be no problem... in fact, in a modern building there's already a BCS in there for use during fires and it probably has several servers in it to run the fire detection and alarm systems, the smoke blower systems, etc... even in an old building there's probably a cable TV head-end somewhere near the middle of the building.

File sharing platform (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44042669)

As a student, I used to live in a shared house with about 6 other students/young professionals.
The owner of the house also lived there and had a bit of a vice for buying shit on eBay.

When I moved in, he showed me the computer system he had in the basement. It was the largest server set up I've ever seen outside of a professional setting. It ran Windows Server (once configured by one of the old residents, and later in need of maintenance) and everyone in the house had a remote terminal there.
The system was mostly used for illegal downloads, which ended up in a shared repository for everyone to get. You learn a bit more about the people you live with than you'd like - the owner had some really weird taste in porn.

Anyway, since I had a decent laptop, I never gave the system much use. It was convenient for letting downloads run through the night, but other than that, not much else. The security and privacy implications alone kept me from using it for anything worthwhile.

I wonder if there's actually any real usefulness to this project. I like the idea of terminal-based computing in principle, but I've yet to see it successfully applied in real life.
Most likely it'll end up as a file sharing platform for the residents and not much else.

Why a server rather than a router? (2)

jfengel (409917) | about a year ago | (#44043105)

The only thing that the building has in common is geography. If you're going to take those responsibilities outside of your own device, why not just stick them in a remote data center and be done with it? Why should the building manager want to do anything other than route the bits between you and that center?

If the distance is too great and creates latencies, the solution isn't some server for the building, but some local CDN installation. Perhaps it would be in the building itself, or just in the neighborhood. It wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing to have my Google Drive or Netflix Instant cache or some AWS instance. But let the professionals manage that, which is a whole massive headache of its own.

The only hardware a building manager should need is the part that is geographic, the hard wire that leads to the rest of the Internet.

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