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2 Men Accused of Trying To Make X-Ray Weapon

samzenpus posted about 10 months ago | from the firing-the-cancer-gun dept.

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gurps_npc writes "Two radical pro-Israel terrorists were caught in upstate NY when they tried to solicit money from various honorable Jewish organizations to build a truck based x-ray weapon. They intended to drive the truck around and then turn on the x-ray machine, focusing on enemies of Israel. But the Jewish organizations they tried to solicit money from refused to participate. Instead they called the FBI, who promptly set up a sting. The men were arrested before the machine was in working order."

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A conspiracy... (5, Funny)

Roachie (2180772) | about 10 months ago | (#44055979)

... I can see right thru it.

Re:A conspiracy... (1, Insightful)

hutsell (1228828) | about 10 months ago | (#44056055)

... I can see right thru it.

It reads more like a modern day version of someone trying to sell the Brooklyn Bridge. However, IANAR[aygun engineer].

Re:A conspiracy... (0)

noh8rz10 (2716597) | about 10 months ago | (#44056207)

is this whole thing a joke? why would the terrorists solicit money from jewish organizations? also, doesn't the TSA have similar vans already?

Re:A conspiracy... (0)

Black Parrot (19622) | about 10 months ago | (#44056271)

is this whole thing a joke? why would the terrorists solicit money from jewish organizations?

In case you haven't noticed, not every terrorist and terrorist-wannabe is a genius.

Unfortunately, this idea is out there now.

Re:A conspiracy... (2, Insightful)

flayzernax (1060680) | about 10 months ago | (#44056475)

This is just CIA/NSA propaganda. Grocery store celeb news mags for people "afraid". Something "terrible" is gonna happen one day if we don't justify our fucked society.

Re:A conspiracy... (4, Insightful)

Smallpond (221300) | about 10 months ago | (#44056285)

"the undercover investigator brought Crawford X-ray tubes to examine for possible use in the weapon, followed by their technical specifications a month later. ... Investigators gave Feight $1,000 to build the control device and showed the men pictures of industrial X-ray machines they said they could obtain."

Hmm.. wonder whose idea this whole plot was. We've only heard one side so far.

Re:A conspiracy... (5, Funny)

flyneye (84093) | about 10 months ago | (#44056709)

Ra-di-a-tion. Yes, indeed. You hear the most outrageous lies about it. Half-baked goggle-box do-gooders telling everybody it's bad for you. Pernicious nonsense! Everybody could stand a hundred chest X-rays a year! They oughta have 'em, too. --Dr.J.Frank Parnell

Re:A conspiracy... (3, Funny)

Culture20 (968837) | about 10 months ago | (#44056401)

They weren't Islamic terrorists. Think People's Front of Judea.

Re:A conspiracy... (4, Interesting)

anagama (611277) | about 10 months ago | (#44056485)

Apparently, Crawford was an industrial engineer for GE and a KKK member -- which just makes it all that much weirder that they'd try to sell it to Jewish organizations.

http://news.yahoo.com/york-men-accused-plotting-build-radiation-weapon-204445880.html [yahoo.com]

Re:A conspiracy... (3, Funny)

durrr (1316311) | about 10 months ago | (#44056559)

Do you seriously expect something refined from a KKK member? Their sole existence seems to be oriented towards being used for parody.

Re:A conspiracy... (5, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about 10 months ago | (#44056789)

Do you seriously expect something refined from a KKK member? Their sole existence seems to be oriented towards being used for parody.

It's kind of a nuisance that the biggest fans of the 'white race' tend to be walking arguments against it. Why don't they try the "Ha! I'll show the mud races what's what by being a successful human being!" a bit more often?

Re:A conspiracy... (1)

TheInternetGuy (2006682) | about 10 months ago | (#44056513)

is this whole thing a joke? why would the terrorists solicit money from jewish organizations?

Not sure whether to believe this story or not. But the summary clearly states that the terrrorists where pro-Israel terrorists, which means it makes sense to solicit money from Jewish organizations. Not every terrorist in this world is a Muslim you know. ( If you were joking, I was appropriately whooshed)

Re:A conspiracy... (1)

Sperbels (1008585) | about 10 months ago | (#44056641)

Easy mistake. I made the same mistake when I first read it. Had to go back and read it a couple times before I saw it. Yeah, we all know know that not all terrorists are Muslim. But we're not used to it.

Re:A conspiracy... (0)

noh8rz10 (2716597) | about 10 months ago | (#44056651)

to be fair, in the US (where the story is set) so many terrorists are muslim that you can assume that a terrorist is muslim until shown to be otherwise. prove me wrong?

Re:A conspiracy... proving you wrong (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44056727)

Timothy McVeigh. Blew up Oklahoma building.

Ted Kaczynski, the Unabomber.

David Koresh and the Branch Davidians.

So many idiots going in and shooting up schools.

Not one of them muslim.

Re:A conspiracy... proving you wrong (2)

AJWM (19027) | about 10 months ago | (#44056817)

Koresh and the Branch Davidians were hardly terrorists. The FBI shot first.

The idiots shooting up schools are just that, idiots. They're not doing it to terrorize for some political or religious end.

I'll give you McVeigh and Kaczynski.

Re:A conspiracy... (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about 10 months ago | (#44056625)

is this whole thing a joke? why would the terrorists solicit money from jewish organizations? also, doesn't the TSA have similar vans already?

It's possible (read, likely) that this guy was not exactly a mental giant. That said, there is an interesting subcultural twist in certain subsections of American conservatism: they don't necessarily like judaism; but their particular flavor of Christian millennialism requires Jews in order to fulfill assorted 'prophesy' related events shortly before the end times.

Re:A conspiracy... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44056655)

Sure they have vans like this already. That's why this is a threat. They don't like the competition.

Usually they're posted at border crossings and other high traffic areas so they can be used to x-ray your whole vehicle for inspections. Sometimes they even let you get out of it before they x-ray it.

Re:A conspiracy... (5, Funny)

similar_name (1164087) | about 10 months ago | (#44056077)

My x-ray gun is purely for hunting.

Oy! Why get messy with animal carcuses? (1)

ivi (126837) | about 10 months ago | (#44056163)

Mine is purely for target practice...

Targets -look- like animals,
but not one of them has to die. :-)

Re:Oy! Why get messy with animal carcuses? (1)

Gareth Iwan Fairclough (2831535) | about 10 months ago | (#44056237)

Mine is for x-raying x-ray machines while some hipster is being x-rayed by the x-ray machine. [sarcasm]Also, why not get messy? I like messy! It means we have to employ someone![/sarcasm]

Re:A conspiracy... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44056377)

That's because there is a hole in the middle of the douchebagel...

Re:A conspiracy... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44056495)

why not build something real dangerous like a desintegrator or a plasmagun

The two were also apparently plotting (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44055993)

to demand that people take off their shoes.

Re:The two were also apparently plotting (3, Funny)

Black Parrot (19622) | about 10 months ago | (#44056283)

to demand that people take off their shoes.

Maybe they can get jobs with the TSA.

They were probably just broke and ... (2, Insightful)

lazylion (101229) | about 10 months ago | (#44055995)

They were probably just broke and got solicited by undercover FBI goons to make a "terrorist" plot.

Re:They were probably just broke and ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44056405)

They apparently tried to solicit donations from the KK and Jewish organizations. You have to wonder these days if the whole thing was a sting to see if the FBI could find domestic organizations willing to donate to such a thing.

Every pro-israel is a terrorist by default (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44056015)

The biggest crime of the Jews is the fact of their survival, and as such, every person not supporting their demonization, dehumanization, and double standards against Jews and Israel is a terrorist by definition. Truly, how low can those Juice stoop?
What will they think of next...

Re:Every pro-israel is a terrorist by default (1, Insightful)

SJHillman (1966756) | about 10 months ago | (#44056103)

There's plenty that Israel has done that could be considered crimes beyond survival. However, "Israel" and "Jews" are only slightly more synonymous than "Muslims" and "Iraq".

Re:Every pro-israel is a terrorist by default (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44056231)

He's saying the fact that Jews survive is their biggest crime. Are you aware of that?

Re:Every pro-israel is a terrorist by default (2)

similar_name (1164087) | about 10 months ago | (#44056139)

It's one thing to be an AC troll but someone modded this insightful. Did they not read it right?

Re:Every pro-israel is a terrorist by default (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44056533)

You do realise that anti-Judaic sentiments are quite ubiquitious these days, right? It only surprises me that there's not more open support for Hilter, as he was a "great" socialist progressive (read: facist).

Re:Every pro-israel is a terrorist by default (1)

AK Marc (707885) | about 10 months ago | (#44056543)

Someone probably read it as "the Jew's only crime is surviving" which may have been worthy of an insightful. Either that, or they thought the mod was "inciteful".

Later, in the prison yard... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44056035)

"So what are you in for?"

"Mad science."

PRISM Deflection. (1)

zenlessyank (748553) | about 10 months ago | (#44056043)

This is nice stuff to make me feel better. If it weren't for PRISM some poor guys coulda got zapped!!!

Re:PRISM Deflection. (1)

Culture20 (968837) | about 10 months ago | (#44056423)

Sure, except this was another example of citizens volunteering information about obvious terrorists. PRISM wasn't involved.

Whatever gave them that idea? (4, Funny)

MassiveForces (991813) | about 10 months ago | (#44056049)

rumor has it they got their x-ray training right under the nose of the TSA without raising suspicion

Re:Whatever gave them that idea? (5, Funny)

klingers48 (968406) | about 10 months ago | (#44056327)

Clearly when someone tells you that they don't need to learn how to land the X-ray machine is the point you should be ringing the FBI.

What's the problem? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44056057)

No muss, no fuss.

Remember, when god is on your side (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44056063)

Anything is acceptable. burning witches, executing gays, xraying muslims, rocketing israelis, raping kids, car bombing protestants. its all good as long as god agrees....and if you read your books there are passages that'll help you along :)

"X-Ray Weapon" (2)

larry bagina (561269) | about 10 months ago | (#44056071)

also known as "Ark of the Covenant". Moses should thank God that the Egyptians didn't have the NSA.

Re:"X-Ray Weapon" (2)

noh8rz10 (2716597) | about 10 months ago | (#44056221)

also known as "Ark of the Covenant". Moses should thank God that the Egyptians didn't have the NSA.

it belongs in a museum!

Is that it?! (3, Funny)

crioca (1394491) | about 10 months ago | (#44056073)

Gotta say, after everything I've heard on the Internet; the Zionist conspiracy really doesn't live up to the hype...

Supremely Irresponsible Reporting. Shame on /. (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44056101)

Slashdot's report of this news has now clarified to me that one or more of the following is taking place:

1) The editors at Slashdot who curate the submissions don't bother to check the basic sources
2) The editors at Slashdot have some sort of Antisemitic agenda

Why would I say that? If you bother to read the second sentence of the article you will notice that the weapon builders were not Jews. Rather, they tried to get some Jewish organizations to sponsor such a weapon, something which they would have no part of, so they promptly called the FBI.

Why open your clip with the words "Two radical pro-Israel terrorists"? These same "Jews" also contacted the KKK for funding. They are just a couple of low lives looking to make a quick buck.

This is purely laughable reporting on Slashdot's part, and I have lost my trust in your ability to report without bias. This is not negligence, it is clear bias.

Re:Supremely Irresponsible Reporting. Shame on /. (4, Funny)

Black Parrot (19622) | about 10 months ago | (#44056301)

1) The editors at Slashdot who curate the submissions don't bother to check the basic sources

That's OK, we were all new here once.

Re:Supremely Irresponsible Reporting. Shame on /. (4, Informative)

Black Parrot (19622) | about 10 months ago | (#44056347)

2) The editors at Slashdot have some sort of Antisemitic agenda

Why would I say that? If you bother to read the second sentence of the article you will notice that the weapon builders were not Jews.

The summary neither says nor implies that they were. It's perfectly compatible with the linked article.

Re:Supremely Irresponsible Reporting. Shame on /. (2)

iceperson (582205) | about 10 months ago | (#44056477)

I've read the article several times and can't find any mention of them being pro-Israel. It seems like the only real "Israeli" connection is that Jewish people were the targets of a scam and did the right thing and alerted authorities...

Re:Supremely Irresponsible Reporting. Shame on /. (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44056491)

2) The editors at Slashdot have some sort of Antisemitic agenda

Why would I say that? If you bother to read the second sentence of the article you will notice that the weapon builders were not Jews.

The summary neither says nor implies that they were. It's perfectly compatible with the linked article.

You are either lying or you are ignorant and unwilling to perform basic fact checking of your statements or you do not understand what "implication" is. Either way, your statement rings hollow. As proof, below is the /. summary, taken straight from the main page, with the relevant text quoted. Also, below, is additional, relevant text you omitted when you quoted.

Why open your clip with the words "Two radical pro-Israel terrorists"? These same "Jews" also contacted the KKK for funding. They are just a couple of low lives looking to make a quick buck.

2 Men Accused of Trying To Make X-Ray Weapon
Posted by samzenpus on Wednesday June 19, 2013 @08:29PM
from the firing-the-cancer-gun dept.
gurps_npc writes
"Two radical pro-Israel terrorists were caught in upstate NY when they tried to solicit money from various honorable Jewish organizations to build a truck based x-ray weapon. They intended to drive the truck around and then turn on the x-ray machine, focusing on enemies of Israel. But the Jewish organizations they tried to solicit money from refused to participate. Instead they called the FBI, who promptly set up a sting. The men were arrested before the machine was in working order."
Read the 57 comments

Re:Supremely Irresponsible Reporting. Shame on /. (2)

MasseKid (1294554) | about 10 months ago | (#44056777)

Technically, perhaps, it doesn't explicitly say they're jews, but it does heavily imply it, and that's not good editing. Good editing leaves no room for confusion. It's the difference between easy to read and hard to misunderstand.

The summary DOES say they were pro-israel terrorist, which is incorrect. They were not, they tried to sell this same thing to the KKK (who are anti-jew). Just because you attempted to sell it to a group, and ESPECIALLY if you try to sell it to the opposing group, does not mean you are of that group.

As far as the original commenter's suggestion that the editors are antisemitic, I doubt it. "Never assume malice, when incompetence will do."

Re:Supremely Irresponsible Reporting. Shame on /. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44056575)

Hello kind Israeli Defense Force member!

Re:Supremely Irresponsible Reporting. Shame on /. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44056643)

lol IDF

Re:Supremely Irresponsible Reporting. Shame on /. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44056781)

Straw man attack detected.

"radical pro-Israel terrorists intended to drive the truck around and then turn on the x-ray machine, focusing on enemies of Israel."

It does not say the terrorists were Jews.

This is purely laughable comment on your part, and I have lost my trust in your ability to comment without trolling. This is not misunderstanding, it is clear troll.

Re:Supremely Irresponsible Reporting. Shame on /. (3, Insightful)

black3d (1648913) | about 10 months ago | (#44056785)

While the editors are pretty bad around here, more people seem to pick up on the facts more quickly than folks here. Much of the discussion still seems to be about "Israel" and "Jews", when these two guys were neither Israeli or Jewish. They're simply far right-wing nuts who figured that Jews would happily "give them money" on the promise that they'd use it to "kill their enemies" - in other words they were counting on their own negative image of Jews to be fulfilled to in turn feed their own greed. They're no more pro-Israel than a shop selling Halal meat in order to cater to their customers needs is "pro-Iran".

Re:Supremely Irresponsible Reporting. Shame on /. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44056811)

How were you modded informative? From the article:

"Crawford approached Jewish organizations last year looking for funding and people to help him with technology that could be used to surreptitiously deliver damaging and even lethal doses of radiation against those he considered enemies of Israel."

How are they not pro-Israel? Not everything that you disagree with is anti-semitic. Really the only bias evident is your own.

When I was a kid... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44056107)

Back when I was a kid I had an old used book, a collection of Amateur Scientist articles from Scientific American. One of them discussed how to repurpose certain old Vacuum Tubes, from back in the days before transistors, to produce X-Rays. Definitely outside the original operating envelop, but the X-ray photos, taken with film that had to be developed with chemicals, were quite impressive.

Naturally, by the 70s, when I first saw the article, the necessary vacuum tubes were all but impossible to find. And my parents were somewhat less than enthusiastic about the whole project.

But, yes, homemade X-ray machines are quite viable! The life expectancy of the person playing with this technology, not so much...

I feel old. Suppose I ought to thank Mom & Dad for curbing my scientific curiosity...

Re:When I was a kid... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44056351)

A typical pentode tube amp has only about 300 VDC bias. A CRT monitor might be 25 KV so will be a much better source of X-Rays if you remove the heavy lead glass bonded to the front.

Re:When I was a kid... (1)

roc97007 (608802) | about 10 months ago | (#44056583)

It's been awhile since TV repair class, but I seem to remember that it's the high voltage tube, not necessarily the CRT, that was the primary source for x-rays.

Re:When I was a kid... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44056705)

The CRT is the high voltage tube. Its the electrons hitting the screen that emits X-rays. The lead is added to the heavy glass faceplate to soak them up and get just below FDA requirements.

Re:When I was a kid... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44056721)

Correct. It is the damper diode.

http://www.earlytelevision.org/damper.html [earlytelevision.org]

http://oddmix.com/tube0/1g3gt_1b3gt_sylvania.html [oddmix.com]

Not the damper diode.... (2)

Ellis D. Tripp (755736) | about 10 months ago | (#44056797)

The damper only sees several kV pulses, not enough to generate X-rays strong enough to get out of the tube.

The culprits in old color TVs were the HV rectifier, the HV shunt regulator, and the CRT itself.

Good article on the TV X-ray issue in the April 1968 issue of Popular Science, available on Google Books.

Canard or a set up (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44056125)

Three facts indicate that this is either (a) a canard or (b) a setup similar to that story of the egyptian filmmaker pretending to be a Jew:
1) If it was an Israeli operation, the agents would not have got caught.
2) They would not have needed to seek funds from Jewish organizations. Instead it would have been funded from an untraceable banking account.
3) The ray gun would have worked. It would have been designed and test-fired in Israel, and its components would have been manufactured to specifications to an order from a high-tech outfit somewhere in Kazakhstan, Estonia or equally obscure third party country.

In short, if it was a bona fide Israeli operation, it would not have appeared in the news or on /.
Sounds very similar to the "5 dancing Israelis" canard.
But then again, what do we care about the truth, we prefer our bread and gladiator fights.

Re:Canard or a set up (1)

Michael Woodhams (112247) | about 10 months ago | (#44056311)

Nowhere does the article or summary say or imply this was an Israeli operation. Rather, a couple of nutcases decided on their own to attack those that they perceived as enemies of Israel.

Re:Canard or a set up (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44056627)

Nowhere does the article or summary say or imply this was an Israeli operation. Rather, a couple of nutcases decided on their own to attack those that they perceived as enemies of Israel.

... and I have a bridge for sale! Send me some money and I'll send a pic!

No really, you have to try very hard to believe they were after anything but money from people unable to report the scam afterwards. Notice how the undercover agents had to give them money, and that produced a remote control. Remote to what... I mean they probably just dressed up a RC plane/car radio and turned around asking for more "funding". No doubt they would have constructed SOMETHING if the agents offered a sweet enough deal, maybe that's bad enough in itself, but "terrorism" revolves almost entirely around intent, and they were 99.999999% likely bluffing about actual risks they would be willing to take.

I'm not saying they should get off lightly, just that calling me a nutcase for trying to sell a bridge on the Internet makes one look kind of daft.

weeeeak (1)

slashmydots (2189826) | about 10 months ago | (#44056131)

So they're going to potentially cancer them to death? Wow. It'd take a nuclear reactor to power an Xray beam powerful enough to give someone massive radiation poisoning or melt them or something and then you might as well just throw the nuclear reactor itself at them, lol.

Re:weeeeak (4, Informative)

iggymanz (596061) | about 10 months ago | (#44056275)

no, you should read about the foot x-ray machines some shoe stores used in the 1940s, they gave some people 20 REM of dose! It doesn't take that much power to make dangerous levels of X-Ray radiation.

Re:weeeeak (5, Interesting)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | about 10 months ago | (#44056313)

Exactly, the gear could be man-portable. This is actually an amazingly brilliant plot, you're not around when the victim dies, you leave no evidence on the victim, even if someone spots you during the assassination they couldn't tell you're killing the person (just holding a suitcase near them or backing them with a backpack). This is the most impressively clever thing I've heard of in ages, I'm kind of jealous I never thought of it myself.

Re:weeeeak (1)

Nivag064 (904744) | about 10 months ago | (#44056663)

I remember them!

I used to go into shoe stores by myself as a young child to look at the bones in my feet - totally oblivious of any possible danger...

This was when I lived in Wallasey, United Kingdom.

Re:weeeeak (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44056361)

Worked for the US on Hugo Chavez.

This sounds familiar... (2)

supersat (639745) | about 10 months ago | (#44056143)

This sounds almost like what the government is already deploying [csmonitor.com]. In one context, x-ray trucks are terrorism. In the other, they're part of the counter-terrorism effort.

And yes, I know the doses would be different, but where do you draw the line?

Re:This sounds familiar... (2)

blueg3 (192743) | about 10 months ago | (#44056435)

This sounds almost like what the government is already deploying [csmonitor.com]. In one context, x-ray trucks are terrorism. In the other, they're part of the counter-terrorism effort.

And yes, I know the doses would be different, but where do you draw the line?

That's like saying giving someone an injection with a needle that's been sterilized with bleach is the same as giving them an injection of bleach. Hey, they both contain *some* bleach!

Quantity is important.

The system worked (0)

sideslash (1865434) | about 10 months ago | (#44056147)

Really glad to hear that it was Jewish Americans who turned the crazies in. Hopefully many of the mosques in America that encounter radical and/or terrorism sympathetic persons will rise to the occasion and do the same when they hear something actionable, instead of waiting for the government to find the bad guys without assistance. And for knee-jerk liberals who are about to pile onto me: yes, Wahhabi and other radical literature is very widely available and promulgated in American Islamic circles. The FBI wasn't spying on mosques to eavesdrop on people agonizing over temptation to eat bacon. And yes: I do personally know some Christian "crazies", and if I ever hear something actionable (i.e. dangerous and illegal) I will also call law enforcement. (Did I dodge the knee jerk liberal piling-on?)

Re:The system worked (5, Insightful)

Black Parrot (19622) | about 10 months ago | (#44056317)

Really glad to hear that it was Jewish Americans who turned the crazies in. Hopefully many of the mosques in America that encounter radical and/or terrorism sympathetic persons will rise to the occasion and do the same when they hear something actionable, instead of waiting for the government to find the bad guys without assistance.

That is, in fact, the norm rather than the exception.

Did I dodge the knee jerk liberal piling-on?

No, you just told us that you don't know how liberals think.

Too bad.. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44056201)

It's too bad they got caught before they could fry the secret leader of Stormfront and the Aryan Nation, Ron Paul.

Where'd they ever get such a clever idea? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44056215)

...oh wait [jewishvirtuallibrary.org]...

I used to work with stuff like this (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44056233)

http://www.balteau.com/upload/normal/ceram35_hx.jpg [balteau.com]

Big old X-ray tubes that are used for taking pictures of welds in bulkheads, etc. I heard a story that some guy in the '80s killed one of his co-workers on purpose by aiming the tube through a wall at his victim. Having worked with the bigger tubes, I can see it.

Where are those honorable Jewish organisations...? (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44056307)

Why do they let Israel do what the lovely American Jewish activist
(Anna Baltzer) helps document, eg, on YouTube:

"Life in occupied Palestine" (about 1 hour in length)

+ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrOdCG7RrvE [youtube.com]

(She says most of the road-blocks are -within- the occupied territories,
not on the boundaries with Israel. Seems like harassment to me, for 1.)

I, for one, was -appalled- to see the way people are treated - within
Israel's borders - behind the tall, metal "Palestine wall" of separation.

I see/hear -nothing- about any of this on our media... nor even, eg:

+ http://jewish.tv/ [jewish.tv] -or-

+ http://aish.com/ [aish.com] -nor-

+ http://613.org/ [613.org]

which I consider otherwise -excellent- sites!

(OK, last time I checked, 613.org was just
a bit -amateur- but only in web site styling,
not in its content.)

Odd morning (5, Funny)

Tablizer (95088) | about 10 months ago | (#44056309)

"What's that big truck in front of our office?"

"I don't know, and why is your spleen showing on my laptop?"

Re:Odd morning (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44056369)

I bet these guys were really just planning to set up a body scan porn site.

radical terrorist (2)

manu0601 (2221348) | about 10 months ago | (#44056331)

"radical terrorist" is something interesting. That suggests there could be some "moderate terrorist". Anyone encountered that weird kind of terrorist?

Re:radical terrorist (0, Troll)

hyades1 (1149581) | about 10 months ago | (#44056589)

Yes. A "moderate terrorist" is anyone in a roomful of conservatives who peacefully states that there is overwhelming scientific support for the reality of Global Warming.

Re:radical terrorist (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44056601)

You're misinterpreting the term radical, the terrorists wanted to create more free radicals via X-rays.

Re:radical terrorist (4, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about 10 months ago | (#44056745)

"radical terrorist" is something interesting. That suggests there could be some "moderate terrorist". Anyone encountered that weird kind of terrorist?

They don't tend to be called 'terrorists'(because, by virtue of being moderate, they use violence to achieve ends that good, upstanding, people agree with); but nothing about being a terrorist actually requires any particular flavor of agenda, just the presence of somebody opposed to whatever your agenda is, and the willingness and capability to employ coercive violence and fear.

Somebody like Sir Arthur Harris [wikipedia.org] would arguably qualify. He was an ideologically unexceptional commander of British air forces during WWII, and implemented the British 'saturation bombing' efforts against civilian targets and infrastructure. As he candidly described it:
 
"the destruction of houses, public utilities, transport and lives, the creation of a refugee problem on an unprecedented scale, and the breakdown of morale both at home and at the battle fronts by fear of extended and intensified bombing, are accepted and intended aims of our bombing policy. They are not by-products of attempts to hit factories."

If that doesn't qualify as 'terrorism', I'm not certain what would; but he's a deeply un-radical figure, pretty much heading to the office every day to implement the (widely prevailing) logic of "Total War" in the service of his government, a not-exactly-radical line of business.

(I don't particularly mean to pick on the British, relatively staid people who execute what are unambiguously terror tactics aren't especially uncommon, or confined to any particular nation, he just happened to be a good example that I hit on quickly.)

Re:radical terrorist (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44056813)

"radical terrorist" is something interesting. That suggests there could be some "moderate terrorist". Anyone encountered that weird kind of terrorist?

The grass fed people at large somehow think "terrorism" means "do scary things", so maybe "radical terrorism" is what they now have to call "do scary things with a specific goal"?

It's like their watching a man kick an ant mound and think it's a devious ploy to make the ants overreact - because that's what happens - and his actual intent is _completely_ lost on them because... well... it doesn't make much sense.

radical terrorist (-1, Redundant)

manu0601 (2221348) | about 10 months ago | (#44056345)

"radical terrorist" is an interesting thing. It suggests there could be some "moderate terrorist". Anyone encountered this weird kind of terrorist?

Relied on tips, not on spying (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44056497)

apparently the spying didn't get any results, again

Summary contradicts headline (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44056531)

Headline says the they're accused of building a weapon. Summary says they're accused of conspiracy to commit murder. Who to believe? I could RTFA, but what if that lists a third possibility?

Re:Summary contradicts headline (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about 10 months ago | (#44056765)

Headline says the they're accused of building a weapon. Summary says they're accused of conspiracy to commit murder. Who to believe? I could RTFA, but what if that lists a third possibility?

These two things are not mutually exclusive. In this case, I'd assume that he is accused of attempting to build a weapon; but that the 'weapon' he was trying to build (by virtue of having no ballistic, explosive, or even particularly sharp, components) probably doesn't fall under any of the stock weapons possession charges, so the feds, in lieu of maybe getting some hilariously tiny occupational health and safety violation fine assessed, are going after him on the 'conspiracy to commit murder' angle, which is actually a crime for which nontrivial penalties exist.

Real or imaginary? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44056591)

So was this a real terrorist threat, or was it created by the FBI so they could look good and justify the NSA's spying?

http://yro.slashdot.org/story/12/05/01/230223/ny-times-fbi-foils-its-own-terrorist-plots

"The Guild" (1)

Nova Express (100383) | about 10 months ago | (#44056687)

"both said they were committed to building the device and named the group 'the guild,' the indictment said."

Vork and Zaboo, no!

They were doing it wrong :) (1)

davidwr (791652) | about 10 months ago | (#44056737)

They are supposed to "Ask Slashdot"

How can I build my own industrial-strength truck-mounted x-ray machine

then wade through the 90% of responses that amount to "do your own homework" and 9% of slightly-but-lethally-wrong answers in hopes of finding the 1% of answers that are close to correct and not lethally broken.

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