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Next SurfaceRT To Come With Qualcomm Snapdragon 800, LTE

timothy posted about a year ago | from the market-is-a-harsh-mistress dept.

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recoiledsnake writes "Following up on our previous discussion of Microsoft selling discounted SurfaceRT tablets to schools (which fueled speculation about the future of Surface RT), Bloomberg is now reporting that Microsoft is fast at work on the next Surface RT which will replace the current Tegra 3 with a Qualcomm Snapdragon 800 chip which has stellar benchmarks against the likes of the upcoming Tegra 4, Apple A6X, and Exynos processors, especially in the GPU and graphics department. Since the SoC comes with 3g/LTE, this might be the first Surface to support integrated cellular data. There are also indications that there could be an 8" version, and that the new versions might be revealed alongside the Windows 8.1 preview bits at the upcoming BUILD conference, starting on June 26."

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This is great (-1, Redundant)

Power Rangers 2000 (2957585) | about a year ago | (#44059761)

I'm not a big fan of Microsoft, but SurfaceRT has always inspired me. I think it's great that they're getting these in the stores! After all, they are both stronger and better performing than iPads or Android tablets. They also come with many advanced features compared to those two. And don't forget about it - developer integration is well formed and ready for any (big or indie) publisher right out of the box with your latest Visual Studio version.

Re:This is great (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44059823)

So far you've been only posting on MS-related stories and you're really awfully quick to FP such answer, on something that people clearly don't really care about (minutes without posts, seriously, that's like unheard of), on some OP that merely gives possibilities of future devices, and saying that MS _might_ be doing something with _probably_ some silicon.

Seriously

Re:This is great (1)

tripleevenfall (1990004) | about a year ago | (#44060737)

The general public definitely knows about and cares about the Surface.

It's some sort of device that teaches you to breakdance, right?

Re:This is great (0, Troll)

Cenan (1892902) | about a year ago | (#44059827)

I'm not a big fan of Microsoft

Lies, you're shilling.

Re:This is great (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44060319)

I think this might be a little harsh. Many of us work with Microsoft every goddamn day of our lives and we have a horse in this race even if we aren't necessarily fans of the company or most of their products. I'm a .Net developer, so this tablet doesn't fit with what I do. However, here I am, reading this story because maybe, just maybe, there could be something to be gleamed from this. I think a lot of people are throwing around the shill word here on Slashdot without realizing that we nerds have an investment in these companies and their crazy schemes and products without being on their payroll, or honestly even in their fan club. (I grew up on Amigas wishing for the death of Microsoft as a business, yet now that I earn my bread using their products I'm moderately glad that they're still around. I don't think I qualify for the fan club though.)

Re:This is great (0)

Cenan (1892902) | about a year ago | (#44060645)

I've got no feelings attached to Microsoft, good or bad. I don't care; they make products I can use - so I use them, they make products that suck donkey balls - I don't use them. I am very much a fan of using the right tool for the job though. What i dislike is fanboyism, Google, Apple, Linux, Microsoft or whatever, people blinded so badly by their religion are the worst kind of scum.

OP however has had nothing of value to contribute to Slashdot, as evident by his posting history. That earns him the brand of "shill", whether you like it or not, that is what he is - promoting something he neither understands nor particularly cares about, for a profit.

Re:This is great (1)

roc97007 (608802) | about a year ago | (#44061819)

And he doesn't write very well.

Re:This is great (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44059841)

Here ladies and gentlemen, we have a Reputation Manager hard at work.

High user number, low post count, all of which praise MS in some way.

The check's in the post.

Or it's just a troll (1)

recoiledsnake (879048) | about a year ago | (#44061505)

The first post troll under the bridge is having fun getting a lot of posts and attention on Slashdot.

Re:Or it's just a troll (1)

roc97007 (608802) | about a year ago | (#44061837)

Well, a troll will troll on a variety of subjects, as long as they get attention. A shill (paid or not) tends to promote one point of view only.

Re:This is great (0, Flamebait)

Smivs (1197859) | about a year ago | (#44059933)

I'm not a big fan of Microsoft, but SurfaceRT has always inspired me.

Yes, it's inspired me to hope that M$ keep going belly-up with these ill-conceived ideas, and that within a decade they will have faded to an also-ran status.

Re:This is great (-1, Offtopic)

Sponge Bath (413667) | about a year ago | (#44060273)

Inspired? [tries to imagine consumer pie eyed with admiration for Surface RT]
Ha ha ha ha, good one.

That shill needs another month or two at the MS reeducation camps.

Re:This is great (1)

tripleevenfall (1990004) | about a year ago | (#44060749)

Now you guys have done it, he's going to end up in Room 101 at Redmond

Seriously!!! (4, Insightful)

Vanderhoth (1582661) | about a year ago | (#44059955)

Do we have to go through the the same BS we went through when Windows 8 was in consumer preview. Months of, "I've used Windows 8 since Developer preview, and it's just swell. My five year old loves... blah... blah... blah...".

This is ./, we're the techies that decide how good a product is. Windows 8 is a failure, no one's buying your BS here, find a local news paper to post in.

Re:Seriously!!! (1)

Mathness (145187) | about a year ago | (#44060311)

*Shakes the Magic Windows Eight Ball* and the answer is "always and every time".

Re:Seriously!!! (1)

wile_e8 (958263) | about a year ago | (#44060505)

The astroturfers are stepping up their game this time around - they even bothered to have the account make a few other posts before making the first post here so it wasn't completely obvious it was astroturfing. Next time they might even use accounts with posts more than a few hours ahead.

Re:Seriously!!! (0)

Barlo_Mung_42 (411228) | about a year ago | (#44061051)

Not everyone who likes the Surface RT is paid by MS. Mine is the best travel computer I've ever owned. Does everything I need it to do while on the road but is super light and has all day battery life. Sure, astroturfing happens (and not just by MS) but it's also true that people have been too quick to hate. The big complaint against RT at launch with the lack of apps and that is changing very fast.

Re:Seriously!!! (1)

Vanderhoth (1582661) | about a year ago | (#44061197)

You know what makes people quick to hate? Spending all day reading shrill post about how great terrible product is. I actually use to be quite interested to hear what people had to say about tech products from any company. Then Windows 8 came and it just turned into a big ball of you can't believe anything. Unfortunately I don't have time to go and read everyone's post history, but I've read a lot of very hilarious ones that make it extremely clear someone's a shrill. All I can do is assume everyone with something good to say about MS is a shrill.

Sorry if you genuinely like the RT, but it's Microsoft's reputation management team that's ruining it for you.

It's spelt and pronounced SHILL. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44061551)

It's SHILL not SHRILL

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shill

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=shill

even bing knows!

http://www.bing.com/Dictionary/Search?q=define+shill

Not Shrill..

Re:It's spelt and pronounced SHILL. (1)

roc97007 (608802) | about a year ago | (#44061865)

Sometimes it's both.

Re:Seriously!!! (1)

wile_e8 (958263) | about a year ago | (#44061483)

Not everyone who likes the Surface RT is paid by MS.

I never said they were. It's just that first posts for most Windows 8 articles have been obvious shills for a while now, and this account stepped up the game by being a thinly veiled shill. That does not mean every pro-MS commenter is a shill, just that the the guys pouncing on the most visible comment frequently are.

Re:Seriously!!! (1)

Jeremy Erwin (2054) | about a year ago | (#44061727)

Why would anyone write an app for an unloved platform?

Re:Seriously!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44060767)

Unfortunately for you, the techies don't decide how good a product is. You are the minority and you have special needs.

Re:Seriously!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44061563)

Windows 8 is a failure

The OS is not a failure. The marketing/image, however, lost the battle a long time ago.

MS just needs to admit that this sinking ship has gone the way of Vista and pump out something by a different name (9, !8, new Windows [the Apple approach, just go with the name and slap a "new" in front of it]). Just like Vista still suffers from its original image many years later (at 7's release, Vista had improved plenty), 8 is not shaking this image. Period.

Re:This is great (0)

rotovator (837725) | about a year ago | (#44059957)

Yeah! Not fan of Microsoft, but fun to see your reply in the same minute that the main entry was posted! Still not fan.

Re:This is great (5, Insightful)

ArcadeMan (2766669) | about a year ago | (#44060033)

I'm not a big fan of Microsoft, but SurfaceRT has always inspired me.

Possible Microsoft shill detected.

I think it's great that they're getting these in the stores!

Microsoft shill confirmed.

After all, they are both stronger and better performing than iPads or Android tablets.

Microsoft FUD detected, presenting false data as facts.

They also come with many advanced features compared to those two.

More Microsoft FUD detected.

And don't forget about it - developer integration is well formed and ready for any (big or indie) publisher right out of the box with your latest Visual Studio version.

Obvious shill is totally obvious.

Re:This is great (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44060141)

The amazing thing is that they can't seem to hide their breathless devotion when they do this. "I think it's great they are getting these in stores!" This reads like all the MS ad copy I've ever seen. It's always so forced and weird. Nobody talks like that! note my use of an exl. point. It's warranted. No one is that excited about any product, ever. Except for maybe bacon. Or, should I say, "bacon!"

Re:This is great (3, Insightful)

ArcadeMan (2766669) | about a year ago | (#44060245)

Apple fanboys and consoles fanboys can be that excited, but they still wouldn't word it in that fashion.

"I think it's great they are getting these in stores!" sounds like the point of view of the seller, not the buyer.

As an example, a PS4 fanboy would say something like "I'll camp on the sidewalk for days if I have to, but I'm getting one on launch day! Xbox sucks!!1".

Re:This is great (1)

NatasRevol (731260) | about a year ago | (#44060293)

It literally sounds like something that Ballmer would say on stage.

Re:This is great (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44060413)

Shit, I've made mock shill posts just to watch you faggots get your panties all knotted up over it.

Re:This is great (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44060605)

I do the same. It's way too funny. These guys act like they're fucking super sleuths.

Re:This is great (0)

gl4ss (559668) | about a year ago | (#44060897)

Apple fanboys and consoles fanboys can be that excited, but they still wouldn't word it in that fashion.

"I think it's great they are getting these in stores!" sounds like the point of view of the seller, not the buyer.

As an example, a PS4 fanboy would say something like "I'll camp on the sidewalk for days if I have to, but I'm getting one on launch day! Xbox sucks!!1".

ms fanbois who do blatant shilling tend to work for ms or related company. it's like there's a reality distortion field in there what is appropriate to write as your own "opinion" then. actually I suspect it's because they believe their superiors inside the company are reading what they are posting on fb etc, which might not be that far from the truth - now if it really improves their position within company peers or not I don't know, but they seem to believe so.

Re:This is great (1)

DRMShill (1157993) | about a year ago | (#44061275)

Someone posting absurdly pro Microsoft posts on Slashdot? No I don't think shill is quite the word. I'd have to sum it up with successful troll is successful.

Re:This is great (1, Troll)

TheSkepticalOptimist (898384) | about a year ago | (#44061599)

The only difference between a Microsoft shill and an Apple shills is that Apple duped millions to be their shill and don't even pay them.

My [insert Apple product] is so fantastic and amazing because [ignores all reality and add excessive hyperbole to describe device an features]. That is why I buy one every 6 months!

BTW there are no Google shills because in spite of having the largest mobile platform nobody actually likes Android yet and only says they do to be alternative. It's like listening to Gotye and hiding your cringes while saying you love his music, just to seem cool.

Whoopee? (4, Funny)

drinkypoo (153816) | about a year ago | (#44059783)

Bloomberg is now reporting that Microsoft is fast at work on the next Surface RT which will replace the current Tegra 3 with a Qualcomm Snapdragon 800 chip

Will they also replace Windows RT with Windows? Because it seems awfully like they replaced Windows with new Folger's Crystals, and you can taste the difference.

Re:Whoopee? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44060327)

Who cares?

Ode to my Troll (2)

drinkypoo (153816) | about a year ago | (#44060391)

O my troll,
You wish to deprecate me,
But you strengthen me by validating my comments,
You let me know that I interfere with your shilling
I am renewed in thee.

Re:Whoopee? (1)

DavidD_CA (750156) | about a year ago | (#44060977)

The current Surface Pro does come with Windows 8 (the full version) and a Intel Core i5 Processor.

Re:Whoopee? (0)

hairyfeet (841228) | about a year ago | (#44061489)

Yep Windows 8 (which nobody wants or likes) and the Core i5 (which many sites have said is a don't buy for how much Intel marks it up compared to the i3)..what a great combination! Its no wonder I haven't been able to find any sales figures for the Surface pro, and the schools bit shows what they are gonna do with that pile of Surface units nobody is buying (which I'm betting probably won't sell even at $199) so anybody want to hazard a guess as to how many years and billions they will piss away before Surface goes the way of the Zune?

Microsoft can do whatever they want to it... (1)

intermodal (534361) | about a year ago | (#44059839)

but it will still be an ARM version of Win8 that isn't compatible with what people want to run right now.

Re:Microsoft can do whatever they want to it... (2)

CastrTroy (595695) | about a year ago | (#44060079)

Microsoft really gets a a hard time trying to change anything. When Apple dropped OS9 support when moving to OSX, or when they dropped PowerPC support moving to X86, or when they created a tablet that wasn't compatible with their desktop operating system, nobody did this much complaining. But everytime MS tries to do anything that changes anything in anyway people say they are making bad decisions. ARM will have to get a lot faster before they can run real Windows and all the standard Windows applications on it. I really think the only major failings of their Surface line is that it's a little to expensive for what it is. Surface RT would be nice if the price was a little closer to the Nexus 7 than it is to the iPad, and their Surface Pro should be a little close in price to the iPad. But I think they got the basic idea and concept right.

Re:Microsoft can do whatever they want to it... (2)

ArcadeMan (2766669) | about a year ago | (#44060289)

The problem is the name. Why call it "Windows-whatever" if it can't run Windows applications?

I would have called the OS "Doors". The marketing department would have a field day with this. "Open new Doors to exciting possibilities" and other bullshit.

Re:Microsoft can do whatever they want to it... (1)

roc97007 (608802) | about a year ago | (#44061885)

> The problem is the name. Why call it "Windows-whatever" if it can't run Windows applications?

Guessing, but in the hopes that uneducated people will buy it thinking it's Windows?

Re:Microsoft can do whatever they want to it... (1)

intermodal (534361) | about a year ago | (#44060521)

It's not that they're trying to change anything. It's that they're doing nothing to dispel the serious misperception that using the name Windows on it creates. That's a problem and will cost them big when people realize they've bought a device based on false impressions.

Re:Microsoft can do whatever they want to it... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44060529)

That would be because when OS X was released it was years after that you could no longer buy a Mac that shipped with or booted OS9 and more years still until OS X no longer ran OS9 software. When Apple switched to Intel, it was again years before OS X no longer ran PPC software. As for the iPad not running OS X or OS X software, you just explained why it couldn't with "ARM will have to get a lot faster before they can run real Windows and all the standard Windows applications on it." and you seemed to have missed how widely the iPad was mocked at launch for this very reason. Even today, some still cling to the rallying cry "just a big iPhone".

Re:Microsoft can do whatever they want to it... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44060617)

Cheap, fast or good, choose any two.

You seem to want all three. You may need to retune your thinking.

Re:Microsoft can do whatever they want to it... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44060837)

It is because Microsoft's main strength has been its backwards compatibility. You don't buy an Apple for compatibility. You buy it for other reasons. Those reasons stay the same even when you change processor. People buy Windows because it runs Windows programs. They don't buy it because it's simple or powerful or any other reason.

Re:Microsoft can do whatever they want to it... (1)

gl4ss (559668) | about a year ago | (#44060919)

umm in each of those cases they didn't just outright drop support. it took several releases for support for the old to die.
surface wouldn't be that bad if you could port windows ce apps to it.. that's what is wrong with surface rt.

they should have called the os on surface rt something like "Metros" or Meteor or some shit like that. not windows.

Re:Microsoft can do whatever they want to it... (2)

chopthechops (979273) | about a year ago | (#44061075)

Microsoft really gets a a hard time trying to change anything. When Apple dropped OS9 support when moving to OSX, or when they dropped PowerPC support moving to X86, or when they created a tablet that wasn't compatible with their desktop operating system, nobody did this much complaining.

When Apple dropped Mac OS 9 it was after around five years of providing the ability to run OS 9 applications via the 'Classic Environment' emulation layer on OS X 10.0 through to 10.4. When they dropped Power PC support you could continue to run PPC OS X applications on Intel OS X via Rosetta for around six years (10.4 through to 10.6). Although such architecture changes were not seamless there were quite lengthy transitional phases to lessen the impact on end users and developers.

When Apple created the iPad it was specifically designed for the Apple ecosystem to work along side existing products. The concept of iOS being 'incompatible' with OS X does not apply because they power two complimentary products families running on distinctly different hardware platforms, used for distinctly different purposes. Whether you love or hate Apple you cannot accuse them of forcing rapid change on their customers as Microsoft has done with Surface RT/Win8/Metro/Windows store and it's associated limitations, incompatibilities, inconveniences and plain old butt-ugliness.

Re:Microsoft can do whatever they want to it... (1)

hairyfeet (841228) | about a year ago | (#44061661)

That is because the appleites bought Apple hardware to run Apple software, there was really only a small handful of popular non Apple produced software and it was the kind of stuff that was sold yearly like the DTP software.

MSFT is the exact opposite, people have HUGE piles of money investing in windows X86 software and damned near NONE of it was made by MSFT, and the ones it was made by? Isn't gonna kiss Ballmer's sweaty ass and hand over 30% of all their sales just to be put in their lousy appstore,especially when everything to do with Windows 8 has been a SuperVistaBomb.

I can't say as I feel sorry for 'em, they have been ignoring their users and giving us retail guys the finger for years, now their arrogance and Ballmer's delusion that he can slap a paintjob on a Pinto and sell it for Porsche money is torpedoing the company. Maybe when Ballmer has pissed away enough billions the board will revolt and get rid of his sorry ass and bring somebody in that will listen, until then stick with Win 7 and avoid anything with Metro like the STD that it is. Ironic that spellcheck keeps trying to turn Ballmer's name into embalmer, since he does seem to be doing his best to kill MSFT.

Re:Microsoft can do whatever they want to it... (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44060937)

The baffling thing is that RT could be alright. It could run re-compiled apps from anyone. Legacy software would be a problem, but anything actively developed would be ported with little effort. That would rock! There is actually a lot of really useful OSS software for windows. .. But you can't do this. You can, if you root the device. But it's unsupported.

Instead, MS wants you to buy software only through their app store. Just like apple devices. Trouble is, there is already a very active and very large development community for apple. Why would I buy an RT pad over an ipad?

The answer is there isn't. And there isn't for anyone else either. Thats why nobody is buying them. You can't beat the ipad by being the same as it. Nobody is better at being apple, than apple. You have to be better, or there is no reason to switch.

Who cares? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44059851)

It's a Surface...

Faster faster! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44059855)

So it can fail faster?

Was performance the problem? (3, Insightful)

Henriok (6762) | about a year ago | (#44059883)

Even though increased hardware performance like computing power, features and increased battery life certainly won't hurt, performance isn't really the problem with Windows RT tablets now is it?

Re:Was performance the problem? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44059925)

Not HARDWARE performance, no.....

Re:Was performance the problem? (1)

tutufan (2857787) | about a year ago | (#44060237)

Yes, the time it was taking to port Linux onto it was too long...

Re:Was performance the problem? (1)

rsmith-mac (639075) | about a year ago | (#44060351)

Tegra 3 wasn't bad. But on Surface RT there were also times where it was clearly not up to the task of running Windows software. [anandtech.com]

Simply typing quickly in Microsoft Word maxes the single threaded performance of Tegra 3's ARM Cortex A9 cores. I've seen CPU usage a high as 50% when typing very quickly, but mostly it tends to sit between 20 - 40%. Switch to notepad and max CPU utilization drops to sub 10%. This says more about Office 2013 than the performance of NVIDIA's Tegra 3, but there are not a whole lot of spare CPU cycles to go around with Surface.

Re:Was performance the problem? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44061159)

This is really more of an indictment of Word than of Surface RT. Word 2013 is a total dog, even on powerful desktop machines. (My desktop is a 24 core Xeon beast, and Word 2013 still chugs.) Word 2010, by comparison, is quite snappy on the same machine. Of course, Word 2010 is not available on WinRT. x_x

This is VERY surprising news (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44059913)

NeXT is making a SurfaceRT?

I'd assume they would be doing something with some new version of an iPad.

So what? (2)

JDG1980 (2438906) | about a year ago | (#44059921)

Until and unless they change "Windows" RT so that it lets non-Microsoft applications run on the desktop, no one cares. People aren't writing applications for Metro and aren't going to start. If they opened up the desktop, then at least many existing programs would work with just a recompile.

Why are the EU antitrust authorities letting them get away with this, anyway? (I'd ask the same about the US, but for all intents and purposes we don't *have* antitrust authorities.)

Re:So what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44059975)

Because no one is forcing developers not to write apps for Windows RT?

Re:So what? (2, Insightful)

Missing.Matter (1845576) | about a year ago | (#44060139)

Until and unless they change "Windows" RT so that it lets non-Microsoft applications run on the desktop, no one cares.

There are plenty of Windows 8 tablets out there that do exactly this. Windows RT is for people who want an iPad analogue. i.e. they have no want or need to install legacy applications on their tablet.

People aren't writing applications for Metro and aren't going to start.

There are currently 92,000 apps in the Windows store [metrostorescanner.com] , and it's growing at an average rate of 591 apps per day. Using Apple's latest figures (from WWDC) for the iPad, the iPad appstore is growing at an average of 435 apps per day. This also includes some double counting for "free" and "paid" versions, which the Windows app store bundles into one app.

Why are the EU antitrust authorities letting them get away with this, anyway?

iPad works the same way. They have no problem with iPad, which has 70% of the tablet market share, so why should they have a problem with Windows RT?

Re:So what? (1)

chopthechops (979273) | about a year ago | (#44060587)

There are plenty of Windows 8 tablets out there that do exactly this. Windows RT is for people who want an iPad analogue. i.e. they have no want or need to install legacy applications on their tablet.

Except that people who want an iPad analogue just buy an iPad because they want to run iPad apps. You don't buy a product because of it's lack of compatibility with Windows.

Re:So what? (0)

Missing.Matter (1845576) | about a year ago | (#44060843)

There are plenty of other reasons to buy a Windows tablet over iPad. The Windows store is at 90k apps and growing fast, so the app argument is becoming less and less convincing.

Thats not an argument (0)

tuppe666 (904118) | about a year ago | (#44061037)

There are plenty of other reasons to buy a Windows tablet over iPad..

If there where you would be arguing on those points. The frightening thing is Android manufacturers now outsell the iPad in the tablet market, is the shrinking iPad market(closed devices sold on brand rather than substance) really the market Microsoft should be chasing.

Re:So what? (1)

chopthechops (979273) | about a year ago | (#44061115)

There are plenty of other reasons to buy a Windows tablet over iPad.

SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!

And remember we are discussing Surface RT here not Pro.

Re:So what? (2, Informative)

Missing.Matter (1845576) | about a year ago | (#44061659)

The single biggest advantage is the ability to display more than one app at a time. When I show my iPad using friends this, they get very jealous. I've personally switched 4 people into the Windows RT camp using this feature alone. Windows 8.1 will make it even better by adding the ability to run multiple instances of an app, between-app information sharing, and variable width frames.

Aside from that, in no particular order:
  • Multiple user accounts
  • Flash support (means free Hulu)
  • Built in: USB, video out, micro SD
  • An actual file manager
  • An actual process manager
  • Better multitasking. By this I mean in iPad, you have to double tap to see a list of open apps, which only display an icon. This double tap operation usually inturrupts anything that's going on in the app (i.e. pausing a netflix video). In Windows you swipe in and get thumbnails of the actual apps running, and nothing is paused. You can then drag in the app and dock it next to the running one.
  • Mouse support and better external display support. Works just like Windows when plugged into a keyboard and mouse. iPad has extreme trouble with this.
  • Even Windows RT supports more peripherals like printers, scanners, game pads, external harddrives, external optical drives, USB drives, and again mice.
  • In many cases, Windows RT tablets are cheaper than iPad.
  • Live tiles. Slashdot loves to bash them, but all you get on iPad are static icons. Don't display information. Don't update based on app state. Can't resize based on preference. Boring and useless.
  • More customizable. on iOS your choices are limited to a wallpaper and apps on your launcher. On Windows you choose the background, wallpaper, accent color, which tiles are pinned, how to arrange and group them, how to resize the tiles, which tiles display information, etc.

That's the short list. If you want more, I can go on an on. I'm a user of both, and I vastly prefer Windows RT over iOS. In my eyes there is literally nothing redeemable about iOS over Windows RT except the app situation, and that is easily correctable with time.

Re:So what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44060751)

There are currently 92,000 apps in the Windows store [metrostorescanner.com], and it's growing at an average rate of 591 apps per day. Using Apple's latest figures (from WWDC) for the iPad, the iPad appstore is growing at an average of 435 apps per day.

I'd still rather have 1% return on a billion than 10% on a million.

Re:So what? (1)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | about a year ago | (#44060917)

There are currently 92,000 apps in the Windows store [metrostorescanner.com] , and it's growing at an average rate of 591 apps per day. Using Apple's latest figures (from WWDC) for the iPad, the iPad appstore is growing at an average of 435 apps per day. This also includes some double counting for "free" and "paid" versions, which the Windows app store bundles into one app.

It's funny how you apparently think that shines a positive light on the situation.

The iOS App Store has existed how long? And how many apps are on it? If the Windows Apps store were doing well, at this early point in its existence you'd hope the number of apps would be increasing an order of magnitude faster than that.

Re:So what? (0)

Missing.Matter (1845576) | about a year ago | (#44061421)

So growing at a faster rate than an established platform with more developers is somehow not good enough? It takes time to build an app ecosystem, or is this something you don't understand?

Re:So what? (1)

vux984 (928602) | about a year ago | (#44061513)

If the Windows Apps store were doing well, at this early point in its existence you'd hope the number of apps would be increasing an order of magnitude faster than that.

Why? Because someone would sit and browse through 4000 new apps a day, every day?

The reality is that as long as the major apps people care about are on the platform, and there is a steady treadmill of games to burn through, its good enough.

I'll never even see a tiny fraction of the apps on either app store. So the fact that they are "there at all" is pretty worthless.

Re:So what? (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | about a year ago | (#44060365)

Why are the EU antitrust authorities letting them get away with this, anyway?

Because Microsoft has been in mobile for ages and is nowhere near a monopoly there. Not even vaguely close. They have relatively little influence over the mobile market and what little they have traditionally had was related to their influence over the corporate market.

Re:So what? (1)

JDG1980 (2438906) | about a year ago | (#44060543)

But they are attempting to use their monopoly on the desktop to leverage themselves into a better position in the mobile market (via Metro). Using a monopoly to leverage yourself into a different market is one of the things traditionally prohibited by antitrust law.

Re:So what? (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | about a year ago | (#44060635)

But they are attempting to use their monopoly on the desktop to leverage themselves into a better position in the mobile market (via Metro). Using a monopoly to leverage yourself into a different market is one of the things traditionally prohibited by antitrust law.

Yes, and if they are actually ever successful at it, then I'm sure the EU will do something about it. As long as they continue to fail spectacularly, there's no money in taking them to court. They can only justify fining them massively if they have actually benefited.

Gets it right on the third go (1)

blarkon (1712194) | about a year ago | (#44059981)

MSFT tends to get things right on their third go. Surface is getting Outlook and a start menu in the next month or so. Surface 2 is going to have a higher resolution display. Will it work? Who knows - but they seem to be giving it a serious shake.

Re:Gets it right on the third go (1, Informative)

Vanderhoth (1582661) | about a year ago | (#44060007)

Not getting the start menu. It's getting a start BUTTON. It still takes you to metro, so no thanks. It's a crap product that no one wants.

Re:Gets it right on the third go (0)

Missing.Matter (1845576) | about a year ago | (#44060157)

You want a start menu on a tablet?

Re:Gets it right on the third go (1)

Molt (116343) | about a year ago | (#44060307)

I want a desktop OS on my desktop.

Re:Gets it right on the third go (1)

Missing.Matter (1845576) | about a year ago | (#44060389)

This article isn't about a desktop, it's about the Surface RT... a tablet.

Microsoft killed its Windows!? (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about a year ago | (#44060453)

This article isn't about a desktop, it's about the Surface RT... a tablet.

Windows 8 tuns all computing devices into poor tablets with keyboard gimmick. So I'm not really sure what you are arguing.

Re:Gets it right on the third go (1)

Vanderhoth (1582661) | about a year ago | (#44060445)

You want to have Metro on a tablet, fine, that's ok, but it's not what people want on a desktop. So MS throws the button back on and calls it a menu to try and fool desktop users, but it's not a menu, it's a BUTTON, and everyone know it, so they haven't done what was asked.

No wonder windows 8 was such a flop, the people in charge don't even know the difference between basic UI elements.

Re:Gets it right on the third go (1)

Missing.Matter (1845576) | about a year ago | (#44060561)

So MS throws the button back on and calls it a menu to try and fool desktop users

Microsoft has not once called the start button added in Windows 8.1 the "start menu". Go find a quote direct from a microsoft representative or blog stating as such. I'll wait all day.

Re:Gets it right on the third go (1)

Pseudonym Authority (1591027) | about a year ago | (#44060823)

You can tell the truth and still be dishonest.

Re:Gets it right on the third go (1)

Vanderhoth (1582661) | about a year ago | (#44061605)

I see what you did there. There tons of references from news articles and blogs, but you wouldn't accept them anyway because it's second hand "re-tweeting". Aside from that the original comment I made was telling blarkon not to call it a menu. Good strategy, change the subject then attack new post rather than defending a lost cause.

Obvious troll is obvious.

Re:Gets it right on the third go (1)

Missing.Matter (1845576) | about a year ago | (#44061709)

Your literal words were "So MS throws the button back on and calls it a menu to try and fool desktop users" but this is a compelte lie. MS never called it a menu. Blarkon called it a menu, you corrected him. But then you go on to attribute his confusion to Microsoft, which is completely wrong. You want to fault me for calling you out? Go ahead. Doesn't change the facts.

so is Microsoft the good guy now? (1)

alen (225700) | about a year ago | (#44060025)

with apple sucking up most of the world's money it seems like people think Microsoft will save them again

Re:so is Microsoft the good guy now? (1)

ArcadeMan (2766669) | about a year ago | (#44060301)

When did Microsoft save anyone from anything?

Re:so is Microsoft the good guy now? (1)

alen (225700) | about a year ago | (#44060393)

never been an IBM customer, have you?

Re:so is Microsoft the good guy now? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44060359)

More likely, they want a piece of the $10B Apple has given iOS developers so far.

I don't really understand (0)

tuppe666 (904118) | about a year ago | (#44060395)

with apple sucking up most of the world's money it seems like people think Microsoft will save them again

I am not even sure what this means, if you are referring to the fact that Apple managed to launch a successful *tablet* and siphon up most of the early adopter money. As it did with the the Mp3 Player(The only market Apple managed to maintain in the lead in both the maturing...and now its decline), and Smartphone...the Tablet...Microsoft failed to compete with *All* of them. Its no secret of how they have managed to Destroy Nokia...a company Huawei said they would not buy this week because of its choice of Windows Phone OS. Its no secret that Android currently dominates the smartphone market...and nothing (in the short term) is going to stop that Apples market share is about 15%. The same is happening right now with the tablet market again...something the Surface RT is (with a sad keyboard gimmick), Android is unsurprisingly also outselling Apple in Tablets, and again the margin continues to widen.

The hilarious thing about your post, now Apples profits are dropping, is that Android succeeded by being more consumer and manufacture friendly (Literally it gives it away) than Apple. Ironically Microsoft have been a massive failure by copying Apples (failing in a maturing market) consumer hostile and Manufacture hostile approach.

Thank Goodness! (4, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year ago | (#44060119)

This is such good news! All the complaints about 'Surface RT' that I've heard so far have centered on how the Tegra3 is too slow, and doesn't have enough LTE. Nothing about how the hilariously perfunctory not-quite-office version of office is deeply touch-unfriendly, or being locked into Microsoft's walled garden store, or the relatively tiny application library. This should fix everything!

Re:Thank Goodness! (1)

Overzeetop (214511) | about a year ago | (#44060911)

I expect the conversation went like this:

"You know, all the user feedback is that people can't run their Windows software on Windows RT, and the dedicated store apps are still lacking in breadth."

"Hmmm...let's fix that with the second release"

"Oooo! I know, we'll make the processor faster and add faster, expensive networking to it!!"

"That's a wrap, guys - lets get this thing into production!"

Don't care (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44060135)

RT can come with a pony and i still won't want RT.

It's not compatable with the BILLIONS of windows programs. Not compatable with the millions of nix programs without major work. Not compatable with the thousands of mac programs.

It's compatable with nothing.

It's shit. Stop telling me it's not shit just because you fucked up and still want my money.

Hardware lifecycle (2)

MachineShedFred (621896) | about a year ago | (#44060439)

And all 15 of the people that bought, and kept, their Surface RT tablets are now going to be pissed at the 6 month product lifecycle.

With the deep discounts that Microsoft is giving on these things, they're getting dangerously close to "we can't even give them away."

Re:Hardware lifecycle (2)

thoriumbr (1152281) | about a year ago | (#44060539)

And Microsoft is dangerously passing the message "don't buy now, wait until we give you all a huge discount later" for its customers.
Zune? Flop. Discounted and still flopped...
Windows Mobile Phones? Flop. And Lumia is even behind Blackberries
Surface? Flop. Give it for free to say we have marketshare.
Xbox One? Walking down the flop path, but some hope still exists...

The Good, The Bad, The Ugly (2)

Kagato (116051) | about a year ago | (#44060717)

The Good: RT gets us into ARM and it leaves behind a ton of baggage that has hindered good development on MS platforms.

The Bad: Microsoft can't market their way out of a wet paper sack. Looking at the commercials all I can tell is there's a snap on keyboard and people in Washington State like to dance. Moreover, even the BlackBerry Tablet had a bigger release profile and certainly better availability in stores. All of this lead to very few apps and developers that threw their lot in with RT early on getting burned.

The Ugly: Do a Pro Tablet, or do a RT tablet. Don't do both. Consumers have no idea what the difference is. The ones that bought an RT tablet feel pretty underwhelmed by the app availability.

Reliance on Wintel (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about a year ago | (#44061017)

The Good: RT gets us into ARM and it leaves behind a ton of baggage that has hindered good development on MS platforms.

I personally agree with you that Windows reliance(and advantages) of Intel and X86 have come to the end of their usefulness for Microsoft, and is now a massive albatross around its neck. At least they both get to sit with their 70% profit margins. Perhaps they should have done something sooner...or at least compete on price(Still find it hilarious that Apple haven't with their dropping profits)...at least they still have the lacklustre desktop market, unless Chrome...or got forbid a manufacture gets serious about GNU/Linux.

Is Chromebook or WinRT worse? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44061023)

I vote for Chromebook, because it takes the open Linux operating system and cripples it in a vicious way to make it everything that open source is against - a crippled walled garden where you can't run your own software. At least MS is honest - they're locking down their already proprietary OS and making a compelling case for open source.

Hint to marketing.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44061179)

Since this is obviously coming from a microsoft marketing guy, next time tr not to make your story so obvious that its a sham.

how many times we hear CPU isn't important with WP (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44061507)

Windows Phone OS was constantly talked about as the CPU(s) didn't matter.. that was back when WP7 couldn't use more than one CPU. Now the CPU speed is important? These people, Microsoft, are pathetic and a waste in this industry after all these years. And look at there XBox how they are so messed up with what their customers want they have to let public outcry dictate policy changes. Nice research department those people just have if they had no clue always-phone-home wasn't going to be a problem.

Windows 8 and Windows RT on tablets and phones is still in the single digits for market share so why does anyone care? We don't see RIM getting this kind of attention and press do we? Enough with wasting time on Microsoft in tablet and phone space until they are worthy of the time and attention.

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