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Foxconn Betting Big On Firefox OS

timothy posted about a year ago | from the ok-but-where's-the-ice-weasel-phone? dept.

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jfruh writes "Foxconn is firmly identified in the public mind as the company that manufactures iPhones and iPads. But the company is looking to forge its own identity, and sees Firefox OS as the means to do so. To that end, Foxconn is hiring thousands of developers to help work on the open source phone OS and Foxconn's own suite of cloud services."

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94 comments

FireFoxconn (5, Funny)

Spy Handler (822350) | about a year ago | (#44064829)

I hope they succeed!

-Sent from my iPhone

Re:FireFoxconn (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44064883)

Someone (not me) has already registered 'doublefox.com'.

Re:FireFoxconn (3, Funny)

BLToday (1777712) | about a year ago | (#44064937)

What if News Corp decided to get into the phone business and have their phone manufacture by Foxconn running Firefox OS with exclusive content from FOX Entertainment ? Would that be FOXFirefoxconn? Or just FXFFX?

Re:FireFoxconn (1)

Synerg1y (2169962) | about a year ago | (#44065043)

They'd be out of business in a week.

Re:FireFoxconn (2)

invid (163714) | about a year ago | (#44065103)

What if Donald Trump bought the new FOX Foxconn conglomerate, but then realized it was a big mess, and got rid of it with the phrase, "You're fired FOXFirefoxconn!"

Re:FireFoxconn (1)

robthebloke (1308483) | about a year ago | (#44065175)

Hopefully it would stop him jumping up and down, complaining about a wind farm that might be built somewhere near his prime real estate in scotland.

Re:FireFoxconn (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44065257)

Fire**2Fox**3Con

Fire FirefoxFoxFoxcon!

Re:FireFoxconn (1)

Austerity Empowers (669817) | about a year ago | (#44067327)

Fair and Balanced Failure

Re:FireFoxconn (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44068761)

God help us...

Re:FireFoxconn (2)

girlintraining (1395911) | about a year ago | (#44065029)

-Sent from my iPhone

"Assembled with pride in a sweatshop with suicide nets strung around it." Yup... just what we need associated with open source: Exploitative labor practices.

Re:FireFoxconn (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44065129)

woosh

Re:FireFoxconn (3, Funny)

dougisfunny (1200171) | about a year ago | (#44065893)

The sound of someone trying out the nets?

Re:FireFoxconn (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44065281)

You are one dumb ass bitch.

Re:FireFoxconn (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44065483)

Yeah, the comment quality around here would definitely take an upswing if he would go spend his time training to be a girl instead of bitching and moaning in every fuck thread.

Re:FireFoxconn (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44065925)

Yeah, the comment quality around here would definitely take an upswing if he would go spend his time training to be a girl instead of bitching and moaning in every fuck thread.

I won't say it, it's too easy.

Re:FireFoxconn (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44066889)

suicide nets strung around it

A clear sing of nanny state suffocation. Real sweatshops don't wrap their production lines in suicide nets. Truly real sweatshops with explosive labor practices provide vests for the needy.

Re:FireFoxconn (1)

davydagger (2566757) | about a year ago | (#44067631)

I love this. Find me a place where electronics are manufactured in good conditions.

not final assembly, but fabrication of chips.

the guys who made the OpemMoko phone, from England, tried finding English manufactured before making shit in china. No really they did. Couldn't do it.

No really, I'd love to have a 'made in murrca' device. I really can't get one.

I could name a few other mobile OS's (2)

gl4ss (559668) | about a year ago | (#44064843)

that had (at least on paper) thousands of devs that didn't go anywhere. funded by people like Intel, too.

actual devices to shops or gtfo.

Re:I could name a few other mobile OS's (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44065003)

Can you list them? Don't doubt you, just curious who they are.

Re:I could name a few other mobile OS's (1)

Lunix Nutcase (1092239) | about a year ago | (#44065087)

Moblin, I'm guessing.

Re:I could name a few other mobile OS's (1)

gl4ss (559668) | about a year ago | (#44068683)

meego/tizen/maemo line, depending on how you count you can count them as one or 3. damned if one could find any of those thousands of developers who supposedly worked on that, at least hundreds of millions went into it though(I knew a few).

symbian^4. at least on some theoretical level there were thousand+ people on it. on paper fantasy reports anyhow. actual number attached of actual developers was much lower than publicly implied by companies involved. tens of millions, maybe hundred, at least money wasted(they axed it prior to release, since it didn't really offer anything over symbian^3 to be brutally honest).

couple of os's from palm(foleo, access/garnet fiasco etc).

few other linux mobile alliances, and then suns version of what was essentially an android like system(with sun and some associated companies like sony-e putting some actual manforce on it).

anyhow, this announcement from foxconn would have more value if they could and would list subprojects they're putting actual developers on.

Re:I could name a few other mobile OS's (1)

KPU (118762) | about a year ago | (#44065603)

actual devices to shops or gtfo.

That's what Microsoft thought too.

Re:I could name a few other mobile OS's (1)

gl4ss (559668) | about a year ago | (#44068635)

actual devices to shops or gtfo.

That's what Microsoft thought too.

well just last week I was paid to develope some stuff for windows phone.. so it's not a total loss.

not that I would buy one for myself but still..

Hopefully! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44064845)

Anything that puts android and the iphone into the ground is good by me.

Re:Hopefully! (1)

Lennie (16154) | about a year ago | (#44064901)

More open is good for the user.

Re:Hopefully! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44065945)

Yep, hopefully the Firefox phones won't secretly log our GPS co-ordinates (Apple) or have back-doors that allow the manufacturer to crack the phone's security lock (Apple) or combine all our call / text / email / web surfing information in massive databases (Google).

Re: Hopefully! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44066163)

Buy a Blackberry.

You speakie Chenglish? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44064857)

Oh, good--an OS written in Chenglish

Have Fun Wrangling (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44064873)

Its hard enough getting 3 developers working together to produce quality software, let alone 3 THOUSAND. How exactly do they plan to manage this?

Re:Have Fun Wrangling (4, Funny)

WillgasM (1646719) | about a year ago | (#44064925)

by being asian

Re:Have Fun Wrangling (4, Interesting)

Aaron B Lingwood (1288412) | about a year ago | (#44065065)

Its hard enough getting 3 developers working together to produce quality software, let alone 3 THOUSAND. How exactly do they plan to manage this?

From the article, I gather that this is not 3,000 developers working on the OS or its elements, but rather, 3,000 developers spread across many separate projects to develop apps for the brand-new OS. This could be projects consisting of 1, 2, or 10 developers each.

This is actually a really novel approach and I bet Microsoft are now kicking themselves that they didn't think of it. In a matter of weeks, or at most a few months, a fully-populated app-store can be made available. With this approach, they'll be probably ranked #3 straight out the gate in terms of apps. Bravo.

Re:Have Fun Wrangling (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44065153)

you mean why didnt MS think about locking 3000 developers into a factory and pay them less than minimum wage to write their apps? yeah lets think about hat for a second.

Re:Have Fun Wrangling (2)

rasmusbr (2186518) | about a year ago | (#44065445)

I imagine the labor laws are rather lax in the places where they have their offices. I don't think they're committing to hiring a person for N number of months straight off the bat. Those 3000 could be tried out and laid off continuously until they have ~300 good developers that they can spread out across ~50 projects at any one time.

It's not the number of (non-game) apps that matters, it's the quality and coverage. There are 'only' a couple of hundred good non-game apps out there for Android and iOS anyway.

Re:Have Fun Wrangling (1)

adolf (21054) | about a year ago | (#44067885)

I imagine the labor laws are rather lax in the places where they have their offices. I don't think they're committing to hiring a person for N number of months straight off the bat. Those 3000 could be tried out and laid off continuously until they have ~300 good developers that they can spread out across ~50 projects at any one time.

Isn't it like that in any jurisdiction that allows at-will employment?

In Ohio, at least, the rule of law is basically as such:

Q: "Will I have a job tomorrow?"

A: "Maybe!"

or from the other side of the fence:

Q: "Can I get rid of this employee who is useless to me?"

A: "Of course."

*shrug*

Re: Have Fun Wrangling (1)

katarn (110199) | about a year ago | (#44065657)

Is this subtle sarcasm, cleverly pointing out the parallel to windows 8? Or is it pure self assured ignorance? Many times I observe people who assume that the new realization they just had is too brilliant for Microsoft to come up with on it's own. Sure, Microsoft has made some colossal blunders. But they aren't as stupid as some people think. In this case, one of the destiguishing features of windows 8 is that it splits enterprise application develpement from casual user application developement. The casual side uses the "app store" concept. Clearly the intent is to attract thousands of independent developers. Of course the implementation of the change is part of what people despise about windows 8, and why many are considering it a failure... and Microsoft can attract developers by its name alone (and repel them as well, I know).

Re: Have Fun Wrangling (1)

Aaron B Lingwood (1288412) | about a year ago | (#44065761)

Is this subtle sarcasm, cleverly pointing out the parallel to windows 8? Or is it pure self assured ignorance?

Yes!

Re: Have Fun Wrangling (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44068515)

Many times I observe people who assume that the new realization they just had is too brilliant for Microsoft to come up with on it's own. Sure, Microsoft has made some colossal blunders. But they aren't as stupid as some people think. In this case, one of the destiguishing features of windows 8 is that it splits enterprise application develpement from casual user application developement.

This is necessary and a good idea, why exactly? Yes, creating the solution before you invent the problem is a rather stupid thing to do.

Enterprise benefits from casual users using the same platform by commoditizing it which makes the platform cheaper for them and ensures a supply of administrators, servicing technicians and programmers who are skilled with related technologies and can apply those skills to business applications. Casual users benefit by learning their tools before they turn up to work, and having access to enterprise software (Photoshop, Premiere, CAD tools, etc) without having to invest in specialized equipment. This cross-pollination is highly beneficial to everyone involved which is why it survived for so long until Microsoft randomly decided to just stop making desktop software and start making software/hardware combination systems like Apple does.

It's pretty clear that MS is either going to shrink drastically as it burns through its capital on the bizarre hardware venture of becoming the poor-man's Apple; or it is going to have to reverse course and try something else, something that actually capitalizes on their existing strengths instead of just playing follow the leader preferably.

The casual side uses the "app store" concept. Clearly the intent is to attract thousands of independent developers.

You talk as though Windows doesn't already have this, or have had this for over a decade. Of course, that would make you stupid so I'm sure you had something else in mind.

They tried (sort of) (1)

Camael (1048726) | about a year ago | (#44067471)

Firstly, I think they got Nokia to do most of the heavy lifting making apps for Win 8.

They also offered developers US$100 for every app in their store [businessinsider.com]

They could have of course taken it one step further and hired them to make the apps, but that would have been monumentally expensive and I think they underestimated the lack of developer interest in Win8.

Re:Have Fun Wrangling (1)

rudy_wayne (414635) | about a year ago | (#44065067)

Its hard enough getting 3 developers working together to produce quality software, let alone 3 THOUSAND. How exactly do they plan to manage this?

WTF do they need 3000 developers for? I would think 1/10th that number would be more than enough.

Re:Have Fun Wrangling (1)

kurt555gs (309278) | about a year ago | (#44065555)

Chain them to a steel table with a water bucket and a pee bucket the way all bosses want to treat their developers. It is China.

Re: Have Fun Wrangling (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44077691)

And you still buy what they produce because it's 3c cheaper. Hypocrisy.

How about a Cloud OS? (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44064881)

How about a Cloud OS? A VM OS that lives in the cloud and sends screens (instead of data) to your PC, tablet, phone, etc. It will have blazing fast network access, can add cores, RAM, disk space with a click. If you are a geek, you can probably do this, but there are so many details to work out and it violates the terms of service for many hosting places. Make it cheap and easy for the masses. The tech is there, but it isn't mainstream.

Re:How about a Cloud OS? (1)

Lennie (16154) | about a year ago | (#44064903)

HTML5 supports offline apps, how about your CloudOS ?

Re:How about a Cloud OS? (3, Funny)

master5o1 (1068594) | about a year ago | (#44064929)

I'm sure you can store a snapshot of your system at any time. To run an app offline, simple view the snapshot in an image viewer.

Re:How about a Cloud OS? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44064945)

i have a personal cloud running on my PC that supports it

Re:How about a Cloud OS? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44065241)

I bet you really think that only HTML5 has ever been capable of dowloading a js and css file because now it's out in the open!

Re:How about a Cloud OS? (1)

Lennie (16154) | about a year ago | (#44065417)

The parent basically mentioned VNC, RDP and called it CloudOS. That didn't make a lot of sense to me.

Re:How about a Cloud OS? (3, Informative)

gl4ss (559668) | about a year ago | (#44064933)

How about a Cloud OS? A VM OS that lives in the cloud and sends screens (instead of data) to your PC, tablet, phone, etc. It will have blazing fast network access, can add cores, RAM, disk space with a click. If you are a geek, you can probably do this, but there are so many details to work out and it violates the terms of service for many hosting places. Make it cheap and easy for the masses. The tech is there, but it isn't mainstream.

yeah everything is would be fast except actual interaction! brilliant!

https://www.google.com/search?q=cloud+desktop [google.com] have fun.

I don't understand how you think it violates terms of hosting places though.. it doesn't. you might need a license on the os you run in there though of course. but you would just end up using android on your desktop if you went this route since if the same stuff and programs are streamed to all of your devices, you're going go by the shittiest device and not the best.

Re:How about a Cloud OS? (1)

ebno-10db (1459097) | about a year ago | (#44065033)

How about a Cloud OS? A VM OS that lives in the cloud and sends screens (instead of data) to your PC, tablet, phone, etc. It will have blazing fast network access, can add cores, RAM, disk space with a click.

I believe it's called a mainframe.

Re:How about a Cloud OS? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44065081)

RDP... VPN... SSH... VNC... Terminal servers... and you think of a cloud OS? Who's going to provide this cloud OS hosting? Your basement?

Re:How about a Cloud OS? (1)

tepples (727027) | about a year ago | (#44065791)

Presumably the same way OnLive works: a pile of blades in the carrier's datacenter.

Re:How about a Cloud OS? (1)

recoiledsnake (879048) | about a year ago | (#44065179)

How do you ensure "blazing fast network access" and latency? Mobile networks are terrible for latency. Your post is an example of putting the cart before the horse.

Re:How about a Cloud OS? (1)

plover (150551) | about a year ago | (#44067265)

How do you ensure "blazing fast network access" and latency?

By replacing the retina display with a 7-segment LED display.

Sure, it wont fix latency, but the bandwidth available would make their phones display those numbers fast.

Re:How about a Cloud OS? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44068173)

Google's mission is to organize all the world's information... and then make it inaccessible to Windows Phone users.

My work just gave me a Lumia 520. W8 does a fine job of making information inaccessible without any help from Google. You can't even see the battery level FFS!

It'd blow through your cap blazing fast (1)

tepples (727027) | about a year ago | (#44065775)

It will have blazing fast network access

The only thing "blazing fast" about a mobile operating system built around access to an application server through VNC or OnLive is how fast it'd eat up your monthly data cap.

Who they outsourcing this to? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44064911)

Who they outsourcing this to?

Thousands of developers (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44064941)

I wonder how many will kill themselves.

identified in the public mind as the company... (0)

stevegee58 (1179505) | about a year ago | (#44064953)

where the employees jump out windows.
Maybe foxconn needs to clean up *that* image first.

Re:identified in the public mind as the company... (1)

king neckbeard (1801738) | about a year ago | (#44065189)

This is probably one of the best ways of doing that. They'll a face for the workforce that isn't just manual laborers. They can't do lot to reduce the suicide rates because they are more or less in line with national averages. I think I read somewhere the head honcho was also considering opening up US factories, but he was afraid that he would be litigated to death.

Firefox OS banned before it's even done (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44064969)

Firefox OS: made in China.

Good-bye security and trust.

Re:Firefox OS banned before it's even done (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44065143)

I thought the Americans were violating all security and trust according to recent news?

Re:Firefox OS banned before it's even done (1)

Geezle2 (541502) | about a year ago | (#44069945)

You've not been paying attention, have you?

Perhaps the Chinese are not as comfortable with the NSA watching everything they do as you are.

I could get paid to write crappy apps too? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44064987)

So, how does that work if you are a low-level developer in a technical initiative that is going to fail? I mean, you're not going to put it on your resume anyway, so why not just shoot them a res' to see if they'll pay you a couple of drachma's a week for some crappy code? I mean, hell, I can write crappy code just as good as the next guy, why not get paid in the mean time?

Brand damage (4, Insightful)

Aaron B Lingwood (1288412) | about a year ago | (#44065017)

Mozilla has such a (well-deserved) squeaky clean image. Considering the slight damage the Foxconn fiasco did to Apple's brand, I pray nothing happens to tarnish Mozilla's good name. Considering this is a partnership, it may prove difficult, if not, impossible to pull out if things start to go wrong. I wish them all the best.

Re:Brand damage (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44065145)

The difference being locking developers in for 16 hour work days is considered perfectly OK.

Re:Brand damage (1)

H0p313ss (811249) | about a year ago | (#44066737)

Exactly, just open the door every 24 hours to hose them down, give em some pizza and a carton of T-shirts.

Re:Brand damage (1)

melikamp (631205) | about a year ago | (#44066887)

Uh... For me, at least, the main problem with Apple is not that it works around the labor laws, but that their devices spy on me (location, sound, video, web browsing) pretty much around the clock. If a Chinese company can deliver a phone running all free software, I'll buy it even if they have to kill a baby panda for each one made. As long as it's within the international law, of course.

FireFoxConn OS (1, Insightful)

Kozar_The_Malignant (738483) | about a year ago | (#44065101)

Because the world really needs another mobile phone operating system.

Re:FireFoxConn OS (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44065131)

That is EXACTLY what it needs. I don't want a phone supported by Apple or Google.

Re:FireFoxConn OS (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44065221)

Introducing the new Slashdot Phone!

Get hourly updates featuring
-Vague laws misinterpreted by engineers to be threats to privacy/civil liberties
-The latest release of every obscure Linux distro and its shortcomings compared to 10 other distros
-Factually spurious articles about the death of the IT industry.
-Philosophical flame wars about the validity of alternative energy/electric cars
-Mental masturbation regarding drones/macs/climate change
-Hypothetical discussions of Rasberry Pi created by Arduino driven 3-D printers purchased with BitCoins.
-Windows 8 trolling

Re:FireFoxConn OS (1)

ebno-10db (1459097) | about a year ago | (#44065415)

Introducing the new Slashdot Phone!

Get hourly updates featuring
-Vague laws misinterpreted by engineers to be threats to privacy/civil liberties
-The latest release of every obscure Linux distro and its shortcomings compared to 10 other distros
-Factually spurious articles about the death of the IT industry.
-Philosophical flame wars about the validity of alternative energy/electric cars
-Mental masturbation regarding drones/macs/climate change
-Hypothetical discussions of Rasberry Pi created by Arduino driven 3-D printers purchased with BitCoins.
-Windows 8 trolling

You forgot Version Control Wars [slashdot.org] . 361 comments on that alone (I think I wrote about half of them).

Re:FireFoxConn OS (1)

bonehead (6382) | about a year ago | (#44068129)

Heh... There was a time when 361 comments on a /. article meant it was a topic nobody was interested in.

Re:FireFoxConn OS (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44070143)

He also forgot anytime

-someone steals something and it involves a computer or the internet
-someone does something with bitcoin.
-random SCO articles

Re:FireFoxConn OS (1)

closer2it (926190) | about a year ago | (#44068421)

No Microsoft flamewar. No unicode support. lame

Re:FireFoxConn OS (3, Informative)

Kozar_The_Malignant (738483) | about a year ago | (#44065975)

A quick web search shows that the following mobile phone operating systems are currently being actively used:
  • Android
  • BlackBerry 10
  • iOS
  • Nokia Asha
  • Sailfish OS
  • Windows Phone
  • Windows RT
  • Bada
  • BlackBerry OS
  • Grid OS
  • Linux
  • Mer
  • S40
  • Brew
  • SHR
  • Symbian
  • webOS
  • Tizen

A number of these are open source. I'm sure you can find something to your liking on that list.

Re:FireFoxConn OS (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44070007)

So you want a phone supported by Foxconn?

How long will Foxconn need Apple? (3, Insightful)

Animats (122034) | about a year ago | (#44065181)

The day may come when Apple is just the distribution arm of Foxconn. Apple needs Foxconn more than Foxconn needs Apple.

Re:How long will Foxconn need Apple? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44065405)

Nice wishful thinking you got there, fangirl.

Re:How long will Foxconn need Apple? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44067893)

Would you care to name any manufacturing competitor to Foxconn that is as cheap as they are and as reliable (manufacturing quality, keeps trade secrets) as them?

Parallel China to Identured America (1)

life atom (1374873) | about a year ago | (#44069123)

Given how, at least as was the opinion of two month's ago, China is taking all trade secrets on a scale that America under King George could not have imagined, perhaps the parallel to China is America, side stepped off a century or so. What does that mean for the relationship between Apple and Foxconn? Your turn. By the way, when the USSR stole American trade secrets down to the blueprints for factories, Russian engineers were not allowed to be creative. They were so stifled it must have made them numb-er than mudbloods.

Great Idea (1)

IrishTech (2842343) | about a year ago | (#44065275)

It would be great to see Mozilla's name on my machine, I look forward to seeing what they come up with.

Redicurous! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44065295)

So, Firefox OS wirr be rereased in Engrish?

Look at Foxconn's location (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44065907)

"Foxconn Betting Big On Firefox OS"

Should read:
Foxconn Betting Big On using F/OSS to make their clone their own "proprietary" OS and basically a Android clone/competitor. It happens everyday with open source hardware.

Otherwise, Foxconn is becoming the open source version of Lenovo.

Not to worry, they'll be up to version 21 in weeks (1)

chaosdivine69 (1456649) | about a year ago | (#44066051)

With 3000 devs going nuts on this OS, they'll be up to version 21 in a few weeks - oh wait!

Good? I guess. (0)

Arker (91948) | about a year ago | (#44067339)

The Mozilla folks dont seem tohave their head in the game at all on the computer, and frankly I am not sure they ever did. When really basic stuff like this [mozilla.org] goes untouched for well over 10 years while the developers busy themselves adding 'features' no one wants or needs and redesigning the UI over and over again, you have to wonder what is going on. Apparently, what Mozilla really wanted to do all this time is make a toy OS for smart phones so all their 'designers' can keep themselves busy dragging bitmaps around all day without being expected to code.

So if that is where their head is at then I guess this is for the best. But it leaves a real need for someone else to step up and make a decent web browser.

I think Foxconn wants to become Apple (1)

Camael (1048726) | about a year ago | (#44067427)

From TFA:

"the company is increasing investments in research, including developing robots for manufacturing. In March, the company said it wanted to hire 5,000 people in Taiwan with skills in hardware, automation, and robotics.

On Thursday, Foxconn said it was looking to hire between 2,000 and 3,000 people in order to bolster its research into software. It's looking for software engineers with skills in HTML5 operating systems, HTML5 apps, and cloud computing, the company said.

It intends to design Firefox OS reference models that will cover smartphones, tablets, laptops and TVs.

Taken together, Foxconn is gearing to build what it hopes will be the next iPhone replacement. After all, why settle for a scrap of the profits when you can have it all?

Re:I think Foxconn wants to become Apple (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44067695)

Foxconn is looking like Gaggle, they want to abuse an "open" OS so they don't have to fork out the money to build the software themselves.

It is great for open source software, because it will continue to expand into the world, but it is getting used as a get rich quick scheme, and Foxconn is another untrusting company. And FIrefox is starting to become annoying anymore, I do hope it works out, and both can keep there wits.

FFOS highly insecure (2)

Endophage (1685212) | about a year ago | (#44067839)

As somebody that has had some contact with the new FFOS SDK, user's might be interested to know it as yet, has no secure storage (think Keychain), where apps can store your passwords. On top of that, apps are written in HTML and Javascript so potentially, malware could scrape your email and passwords from insecure storage if an app stores your username and password for subsequent logins, and, even if the app developer attempts some level of security with encryption keys embedded in the app code, it's JS, which the malware could also grab (it's just a file on the device afterall), and relatively easily scrape out the encryption key and algorithm used.

Re:FFOS highly insecure (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44069639)

[...] malware could scrape your email and passwords from insecure storage if an app stores your username and password for subsequent logins, [...]

however, as pointed out here [mozilla.org] :

Each app runs in a separate sandbox, meaning that all data stored by an app is separate from all data stored by another app. This includes things like cookie data, localStorage data, indexedDB data, and site permissions.

Unless an app stores the usernames etc in external storage (i.e. the SD card), I don't see how malware can harvest this data. Even with external storage one has to grant permission to the app and the malware to access it.

Re:FFOS highly insecure (1)

Endophage (1685212) | about a year ago | (#44081665)

You're only thinking of apps accessing each others data. Malware is a different beast, it's designed to obtain privileged access, sometimes at a lower level than user space, and all bets are completely off if you root your device, which tends to be how people get malware in the first place on current platforms, they root then install software from unofficial app stores.

Inevitable (1)

sesshomaru (173381) | about a year ago | (#44069337)

It was pretty much inevitable that after being taught how to make world class devices by Apple, Foxconn would eventually question why a bunch of foriegners living off in the States should get a cut of their hard work. This means that Apple's big advantages will be:

1. Hardware patents: How easy it will be for Foxconn to get around these to sell to the US and Europe I'm not sure, since I'm no lawyer. If they have to do their own redesigns or are even completely stymied by overbroad patents they may have a limited market for their devices.

2. Software (and Software patents): Foxconn can now make world class hardware, no mistake about that. However, I don't know how well they will do with software, since that isn't part of their core competencies. Also, they'll have the same software patent issues that Android devices have.

I'm not a fan of Foxconn's horrible labor practices, but it will be interesting to watch this develop.

Windows, iOS, and Android all EOLed. (2)

Geezle2 (541502) | about a year ago | (#44069877)

Don't underestimate the impact of how the news of the NSA-Big American Tech orgy is playing out abroad. The Snowden leak has confirmed the most cynical suspicions of most mainland Chinese, and the pressure in that billion+ market for products unstained by NSA influence will become a major tech driver in the near future. In fact, for most people in the world, the only spying they dislike more than being spied on by their own governments is being spied on by the USA. Unless Microsoft, Google, and Apple can put together a successful Hail Mary marketing campaign to salvage their images, alternatives like Firefox OS are very likely to see surprising growth in their market share.

In other words, what Foxconn is doing may not be Open Source altruism. More likely, they are positioning themselves to ride an anti-NSA wave, particularly in mainland China.

when iphone 6 come? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44098323)

i like iphone,but when iphone 6 come?

If iPhone5s out, you will buy or wait six (1)

jamesxin (2962183) | about a year ago | (#44098331)

For chip production agreement between the two companies rumors have been circulating for several years, and this time, we finally see some concrete details. The news comes from Digitimes, TSMC and its integrated service partner GUC (Global UniChip) reportedly will be based on 20nm, 16nm and 10nm process nodes to produce the A-series chips. Reported that TSMC will begin in July this year, 20nm A8 chip limited trial production, and volume production is expected to start in September this year. The so-called A8 chip equipped Apple device is expected to come out in 2014.easybuybest.com
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