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China Says Serious Polluters Will Get the Death Penalty

Soulskill posted about 10 months ago | from the green-revolution-will-not-be-televised dept.

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formaggio writes "According to the Xinhua News Agency, the Chinese government is now allowing courts to punish those who commit environment crimes with the death penalty. The new judicial interpretation comes in the wake of several serious environmental problems that have hit the country over the last few months, including dangerous levels of air pollution, a river full of dead pigs, and other development projects that have imperiled public health."

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Good (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44073123)

Good. About time someone did this.

Re:Good (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44073209)

Agreed. China is especially a good place to start with, since they can't seem to keep their population in check and their their fucking pants up. Next: Africa and Haiti. Fuck it--just wipe humanity in those two places out. Or... just let nature do its part and wait for disease to do it for us, since us humans don't have the balls.

Good? More like "Good Luck" (5, Interesting)

Penguinisto (415985) | about 10 months ago | (#44073383)

I seriously doubt it will be implemented against any company or person that is sufficiently connected to the PRC government - this list would include pretty much every existing big company HQ'd in China.

Now potential competitors to the aforementioned companies, and anyone who the PRC government doesn't like? Oh hell yes it'll be implemented - even if the offender has to get a little governmental 'assistance' in generating pollution sufficient to warrant execution.

Re:Good? More like "Good Luck" (5, Insightful)

jbeaupre (752124) | about 10 months ago | (#44073627)

Connected with who in the PRC?

China is not immune to politics. Being aligned with the wrong person at the wrong time, you can end up being made a high profile example.

Re:Good? More like "Good Luck" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44073687)

I am connected with who!

Re:Good? More like "Good Luck" (5, Insightful)

ShanghaiBill (739463) | about 10 months ago | (#44073749)

China is not immune to politics. Being aligned with the wrong person at the wrong time, you can end up being made a high profile example.

Exactly. This is the whole point of the legislation. Now they can use "pollution" as an excuse to purge political enemies, while claiming to be "tough" on the environment.

Excessively harsh penalties tend to be counter-productive because they are almost never carried out, thus resulting in a culture of impunity. A $5 fine for littering would be far more effective.

Re:Good? More like "Good Luck" (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44073731)

Great, another factual anti-china post.

Hey, has anyone went to jail for that Financial meltdown yet? Hopefully their connections did not come into play.

Re:Good? More like "Good Luck" (0)

interkin3tic (1469267) | about 10 months ago | (#44073733)

I think the idea with the death penalty is pretty much always not that you actually kill everyone who would break the law, but you have it as a deterrent. In this case, even if China never executes anyone, everyone making the decision to save money by polluting will have to weigh costs not just their conscience but their conscience AND the chance that they'll personally be killed. It could tip a few people onto the "Maybe don't bury that plutonium in a child's sandbox." Could also make competing easier. If your coal mine is competing against another coal mine, and they stop dumping their mercury into a nearby river, you won't have to also dump yours into a river in order to keep open.

At any rate, there's no magic solution the government could take which would eliminate pollution with no negative effects.

Good news. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44073125)

Fucking ay about time.

Thou hast angered thy King (0)

ZorinLynx (31751) | about 10 months ago | (#44073129)

...off with your head!

Seriously, China? WTF. Going back to medieval values here? Executing people for pollution?

They should be punished, but death is a bit much.

Re:Thou hast angered thy King (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44073147)

Wrong dude, this is something every liberal green freak can believe in trust me. Go global warming do goobers.

Re:Thou hast angered thy King (3, Insightful)

im_thatoneguy (819432) | about 10 months ago | (#44073173)

I don't know. If you have the death penalty I can see pollution being a worthy offense. If you dump toxic waste into the drinking water and dozens get sick and die of cancer-- how is that any different from murder.

Good for China. Here in the US we would just fine them a few million... they would shift their assets to a sub division... sell that to themselves and declare bankruptcy without paying a dime. Then keep on doing what they were doing until they got caught the next time.

Re:Thou hast angered thy King (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44073193)

This guy makes the point above, freak.

Re:Thou hast angered thy King (4, Informative)

Intropy (2009018) | about 10 months ago | (#44073259)

That scenario really isn't different from murder. In the US you could be tried for second degree murder for something like that.

Re:Thou hast angered thy King (1)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | about 10 months ago | (#44073461)

China is regularly executing people for large scale bribery and embezzlement. It makes sense to assume that someone whose activities are potentially lethal or health-threatening on a large scale wouldn't get a lesser penalty from the judges than a white collar criminal, if the Chinese have any sane system of preferences.

Re:Thou hast angered thy King (0)

datavirtue (1104259) | about 10 months ago | (#44073595)

They just need reasons to kill people in China. In the US we just put the unwashed on government healthcare and set a limit.

Re:Thou hast angered thy King (1)

Scutter (18425) | about 10 months ago | (#44073269)

The death penalty has never been an effective deterrent for any crime.

Re:Thou hast angered thy King (1)

xmousex (661995) | about 10 months ago | (#44073341)

blame lethal injection, if we would just decapitate and then incinerate they would stop coming back.

Re:Thou hast angered thy King (1)

ionymous (1216224) | about 10 months ago | (#44073385)

On the contrary. Dead people are less likely to commit crimes.

Re:Thou hast angered thy King (2)

Scutter (18425) | about 10 months ago | (#44073525)

I think you don't know what "deterrent" means. Otherwise, your comment suggests that everyone should be preemptively executed just in case they might pollute. The idea of a deterrent punishment is that a potential criminal will consider the consequence of getting caught (death, in this case), but even in countries that still have the death penalty it's been shown over and over that it doesn't lower the incidents of that crime. Furthermore, the potential for executing an innocent person is a non-zero percentage. The risk of doing so is not worth the arguably dubious reward of lowering crime.

Re:Thou hast angered thy King (5, Funny)

ionymous (1216224) | about 10 months ago | (#44073609)

Well, I can only speak for myself. If I were executed for a crime, I would definitely think twice before committing that crime again. It's just not worth it.

Re:Thou hast angered thy King (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44073431)

The death penalty has never been an effective deterrent for any crime.

It isn't when it takes 20 years to carry out, with an almost certain chance it'll never actually happen anyways.

If it's quick and public, then it is a deterrent.

Re:Thou hast angered thy King (1)

nitehawk214 (222219) | about 10 months ago | (#44073497)

The death penalty has never been an effective deterrent for any crime.

Well... it will deter that person from committing another crime.

Re:Thou hast angered thy King (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44073661)

preventing (someone from doing something, as a consequence of their now being dead) is not deterring...

Re:Thou hast angered thy King (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44073759)

You ever seen a Chinese execution? They use to do it in public and then parade the body around on a cart with a large sign indicating why they were executed.

If you were thinking of doing a serious crime and saw that would it make you reconsider?

Re:Thou hast angered thy King (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44073505)

Additionally, if it's to be used at all, it should only be used to punish murder. It may create an incentive to eliminate witnesses to otherwise lesser crimes.

Re:Thou hast angered thy King (2)

Penguinisto (415985) | about 10 months ago | (#44073411)

I don't know. If you have the death penalty I can see pollution being a worthy offense.

So who do you execute, then? The entire board of directors, the guy(s) that did it directly, or all of them?

Re:Thou hast angered thy King (3, Insightful)

idunham (2852899) | about 10 months ago | (#44073481)

So who do you execute, then? The entire board of directors, the guy(s) that did it directly, or all of them?

Whoever you feel like. Including the fellow who happens to have not been involved, but can't pull the strings to get out.

Re:Thou hast angered thy King (5, Funny)

Nyder (754090) | about 10 months ago | (#44073827)

I don't know. If you have the death penalty I can see pollution being a worthy offense.

So who do you execute, then? The entire board of directors, the guy(s) that did it directly, or all of them?

Start with the lawyers.

Re:Thou hast angered thy King (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44073607)

I don't know. If you have the death penalty I can see pollution being a worthy offense. If you dump toxic waste into the drinking water and dozens get sick and die of cancer-- how is that any different from murder.

Good for China. Here in the US we would just fine them a few million... they would shift their assets to a sub division... sell that to themselves and declare bankruptcy without paying a dime. Then keep on doing what they were doing until they got caught the next time.

I don't believe in the death penalty, but I see the logic, it's in effect attempted murder in severe cases (or actual murder). Several coal mining companies have commited what amounts to manslaughter in the US.

Re:Thou hast angered thy King (1)

evilviper (135110) | about 10 months ago | (#44073811)

If you dump toxic waste into the drinking water and dozens get sick and die of cancer-- how is that any different from murder.

We don't recognize it as murder if the affected person lives more than 1 year after the incident.

And the difference between increased cancer risk and MURDER is pretty damn obvious. One *might* take a few years off the end of your life, while the other ends your life immediately.

If somebody dumped arsenic in the river, okay, that would be murder or at least manslaughter. But slightly increased chance of cancer? Death penalty for that? Give me a break.

It says "environmental crimes" (0)

Piata (927858) | about 10 months ago | (#44073175)

I imagine this would be reserved for people dumping tons of toxic chemicals into the local water supply on a daily basis. Provided the right person is prosecuted and not some joe schmoe that was thrown under the bus, I like this idea. I'd like it even more if it was extended to senoir bank employees and politicians in equal measure.

Re:It says "environmental crimes" (4, Insightful)

Attila Dimedici (1036002) | about 10 months ago | (#44073257)

Nah, this will be reserved for people who do not have sufficient political connections...or more likely for people who fall out of favor with the political powers that be.

Re:It says "environmental crimes" (2)

MozeeToby (1163751) | about 10 months ago | (#44073801)

Yes, but a high profile enough environmental disaster will cause people to fall out of favor. Look at the tainted infant formula, you think that CEO got where he was without connections? It comes out that he allowed "bad thing" to happen, bad enough that it made China and the Chinese leadership look bad and he's tried and executed in a matter of weeks. The thing about buying politicians is that they don't stay bought, especially if your baggage suddenly costs more than your bribe.

Re:It says "environmental crimes" (1)

naoursla (99850) | about 10 months ago | (#44073305)

> joe schmoe that was thrown under the bus

Yep. That's my prediction. Certain death by starvation if you don't do your job or possible death if you are caught polluting. Meanwhile the boss keeps the money rolling in.

Re:Thou hast angered thy King (5, Informative)

X0563511 (793323) | about 10 months ago | (#44073177)

This isn't saying you are executed for littering. This looks to be establishing the maximal punishment.

Think more along the lines of "knowingly poisoning hundreds of thousands of people."

Re:Thou hast angered thy King (1)

Jane Q. Public (1010737) | about 10 months ago | (#44073329)

I don't know. The folks who were caught putting melamine in pet food (and some people food, too) were executed. As have been LOTS of other people. Punishments in China tend to be rather arbitrary, and seem to change on an almost daily basis.

Re:Thou hast angered thy King (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44073483)

How is that arbitrary? Poisoning people's pets for person profit should result in execution. We're too easy on profiteers in the U.S.

Re:Thou hast angered thy King (1)

nitehawk214 (222219) | about 10 months ago | (#44073535)

Of coruse they also throw the people that reported the contimaniation [wikipedia.org] in jail.

Arbitrary indeed.

Re:Thou hast angered thy King (1)

datavirtue (1104259) | about 10 months ago | (#44073663)

This is deeply ingrained in Chinese society. I read about ancient Chinese civilization that forbade people from turning in their family members for crimes. The family member would be punished for the crime of course, and the person who reported them would be publicly whipped or something like that. Good shit. If you went around the office talking smack about someone or defaming them they would also whip you publicly--god knows how many times I've wanted that to happen.

Re:Thou hast angered thy King (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | about 10 months ago | (#44073655)

Since this is Slashdot, you might as well just refer to Larry Niven's "Known Space" series, where the punishment for large-scale pollution (e.g. using nuclear rocket engine in the atmosphere) was exactly that.

Re:Thou hast angered thy King (1)

MozeeToby (1163751) | about 10 months ago | (#44073807)

"Knowingly poisoning hundreds of thousands of people." isn't called pollution, it's called mass murder.

Re:Thou hast angered thy King (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44073181)

I wonder if they're targeting the news worthy polluters, the ones who "accidentally" dump hundreds of tons of toxic waste into rivers.

I doubt dropping your pencil shavings on the ground will warrant execution. Bhopal type incidents should absolutely be dealt with extreme prejudice.

Re:Thou hast angered thy King (1)

datavirtue (1104259) | about 10 months ago | (#44073675)

I don't know, you can't have 100 million people dropping pencil shavings--best to set an example.

Re:Thou hast angered thy King (2)

Jane Q. Public (1010737) | about 10 months ago | (#44073299)

"Seriously, China? WTF. Going back to medieval values here? Executing people for pollution?"

What do you mean, "back to"??? They never left.

One of the reasons I do not care to do business with China.

Re:Thou hast angered thy King (1)

Sardaukar86 (850333) | about 10 months ago | (#44073719)

What do you mean, "back to"??? They never left. One of the reasons I do not care to do business with China.

Exactly. We may all be forced to buy Chinese garbage in lieu of alternatives in this global race-to-the-bottom but I refuse to deal with people who behave as the Chinese do.

No amount of money would make any difference to my opinion. In the same way I feel an obligation to conduct honest business with the rest of the world, I feel an obligation to avoid China until they grow up a bit. Because I have no power beyond that available to everyone, I choose to vote with my feet.

Re:Thou hast angered thy King (4, Interesting)

Half-pint HAL (718102) | about 10 months ago | (#44073307)

...off with your head!

Seriously, China? WTF. Going back to medieval values here? Executing people for pollution?

They should be punished, but death is a bit much.

Yeah, the death penalty should be reserved for angry guys who stab one person with a knife. The civilised punishment for poisoning the water drunk by thousands of people is a slap on the wrist and a fine that looks large to newpaper readers but causes no material harm to the perpetrator....

Re:Thou hast angered thy King (4, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about 10 months ago | (#44073311)

If you accept the legitimacy of the death penalty(obviously, if you don't, that's another story, and you aren't likely to approve of it for this purpose, or any other) serious pollution is actually highly logical:

The death penalty is usually assessed in cases of murder(esp. premeditated) or grievous bodily harm(especially premeditated or particularly gruesome in some way).

Well, guess what? Serious pollution is usually called 'serious' because it does, albeit at some epidemiological remove, cause some mixture of death and serious chronic health impairment, sometimes also nasty birth defects and the like.

It doesn't have the emotional punch of a nice juicy murder or a photogenic teenager getting raped or something; but pollution is a totally logical thing to punish by death(if you accept the traditional uses of the death penalty). Probably even better, in fact, because polluters are highly likely to be committing their crimes out of pure greed, not out of fear, passion, or other possible-to-rehabilitate/unlikely to reoffend motive.

Re:Thou hast angered thy King (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44073559)

Do you actually believe what you wrote? Lol, you said logical and punish by death in the same sentence. And cast greed as a crime. Rolling on the floor here. Who could possibly cause 'serious' pollution except corporations. Name one scenario where one human being could cause "serious pollution". And then decide if they should be hanged in the city square for it.

Re:Thou hast angered thy King (2)

Zapotek (1032314) | about 10 months ago | (#44073681)

There is no legitimacy to the death penalty for the very simple reason of abuse or just fair mistake or freak coincidence. The fact that people trust the chain of government, law-enforcement, forensic investigators, prosecutors, witnesses, jury as input for enforcing an irrevocable and terminal punishment such as the death penalty is baffling. There's so much that can (and does, and will continue to) go wrong there that the death penalty is just an overall dumb idea.

If someone tries to seriously harm you then shoot that son of a bitch dead but passing the same authority to a bureaucracy... I don't know what to say to that.

This will only be enforced when convenient. (5, Insightful)

mark-t (151149) | about 10 months ago | (#44073159)

[nt]

Re:This will only be enforced when convenient. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44073221)

Or when the bribe is inadequate or not paid.

Ironic (5, Funny)

slashmydots (2189826) | about 10 months ago | (#44073161)

Boy, I sure hope they catch and kill the worst pollution offender in the entire country: the Chinese government.

Communist China (5, Funny)

Pagey123 (1278182) | about 10 months ago | (#44073163)

In Communist China, pollution kills you (literally)!

Re:Communist China (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44073247)

It has very little to do with the fact china is 'communist' and everything to do with how many people they have and how difficult it is to have and enforce laws laws on a population that huge. If anything china is an example of what you have when you have so many people and nowhere near the resources to enforce the law.

Re:Communist China (1)

Pagey123 (1278182) | about 10 months ago | (#44073295)

It has very little to do with the fact china is 'communist' and everything to do with how many people they have and how difficult it is to have and enforce laws laws on a population that huge. If anything china is an example of what you have when you have so many people and nowhere near the resources to enforce the law.

I know, I was simply being facetious and wearing out a meme.

wager (1)

spirit_fingers (777604) | about 10 months ago | (#44073171)

I'll bet a truckload of dead pigs that it won't result in any measurable improvement in China's environmental quality. China's environmental crisis has been brought about with the blessings of the Communist Party. Expecting them to now fix it by executing a few factory owners is very naïve indeed.

Re:wager (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44073439)

Who said anything about fixing? With the factory owner dead, you suddenly have multi-million dollar factory just waiting there for a new owner.
You better hope that your factory is not something someone in the party wants ownership of...

Achmed knocking on the door (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44073191)

I'm Achmed, the dead environmentalist. I kill you.

Spare Parts (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44073197)

You know why they want to execute 'em, they can then sell their organs to wealthy Americans.

They Can't Even Hand Out Fines Effectively (5, Insightful)

eldavojohn (898314) | about 10 months ago | (#44073205)

The Chinese can't even effectively fine polluters and now there's talk of capital punishment for polluting? What next? Decimate school children when their class average isn't up to par because the instructor's scolding has no effect?

There are several key problems here that are the real underlying problems: 1) the Chinese government is not unified in their vision of the environment and I'm talking differences spanning across provincial & federal levels as well as between federal ministries. 2) they collectively refuse to accept that their abuse of natural resources is part of their winning equation against other capitalist nation states and, as a consequence, no one can talk about how this will hurt their bottom line even though several parts of the government realize it (we pay them to import our pollution). 3) there is widespread corruption at all levels which is why fining is ineffective -- it's so bad that I'm sure if capital punishment is meted out, it will be given to the fork lift operator who dumped those pig carcasses in the river after his supervisor told him to "make them disappear or you'll disappear." No one up the chain will be held accountable and if they are, they need only grease some local wheels and they can consider themselves shielded.

It's disgusting and it's why I tell people where they can shove it when they complain that the EPA is destroying jobs. It's not perfect but we have to cling to things that kind of work when so many other "solutions" are abysmal failures.

The Chinese government is threatening to kill polluters but they can't see that they're part of and dependent on and benefiting from a system of habitual polluting. Increasing the impact of the punishment is a poor and maybe even more detrimental substitution for actually bringing to justice the true criminals up and down their ranks.

Astute Summation of China (4, Insightful)

Phoenix666 (184391) | about 10 months ago | (#44073489)

I second this. I spend a good portion of graduate school in Beijing and Manchuria, and you hit the nail on the head. The only people who will pay the price for pollution are the dumb schmucks whose guanxi is not powerful enough to shield them from scapegoating.

Re:They Can't Even Hand Out Fines Effectively (1)

evilviper (135110) | about 10 months ago | (#44073755)

The Chinese can't even effectively fine polluters and now there's talk of capital punishment for polluting?

This is China. If you do something big, that completely embarrasses the state, you're going up against the wall.

Dump a few tonnes of coal sludge in the river? No big deal.

Then the press picks up the story, and people are outraged? Firing squad...

China - now with... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44073207)

China - now with rivers full of the bodies of the worst polluters instead of pigs... Or factories powered by the burning corpses of problem polluters.

victimising the evironment .... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44073217)

The environment can now plan the victim card only if it chooses to. Does the environment have the capacity to choose such an action? Really.

Killed for disturbing plants (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44073241)

It must really suck to be the operator of a coal power plant in China these days.

A whole lot of crimes need stiffer sentences (2, Insightful)

Karmashock (2415832) | about 10 months ago | (#44073243)

Not just environmental stuff. What about the wallstreet guys that stole or in some cases hundreds of millions of dollars.

Death penalty. Think about it like this.... that is the life savings of how many people? Guy robs a liquor store for 100 dollars and gets 20 years. Guy that steals 100 million gets 5 years in a minimum security prison.

Many cases of fraud, theft, vandalism, etc need to carry stiffer sentences. While of course other sentences need to be reduced radically. All the drug related crimes need to be looked again. Consensual adults and all that.

Re:A whole lot of crimes need stiffer sentences (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44073281)

Your kind of stupid and all that.

Re:A whole lot of crimes need stiffer sentences (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44073513)

Your kind of stupid

/facepalm

Re:A whole lot of crimes need stiffer sentences (2)

GiganticLyingMouth (1691940) | about 10 months ago | (#44073355)

vandalism? So you think some kid doing graffiti should get a harsher penalty? I live in downtown LA and much of the graffiti here is quite artistic and adds value to its surroundings. I can agree with you that white collar crime should carry harsher penalties, but vandalism? Really?

Re:A whole lot of crimes need stiffer sentences (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44073473)

He thinks any crime someone else does should be punished harshly, while crimes he commits shouldn't be punished at all. That's a pretty common belief.

Re:A whole lot of crimes need stiffer sentences (1)

hondo77 (324058) | about 10 months ago | (#44073557)

"Much" graffiti adds value downtown? Really? Are you sure you're not talking about Mogadishu?

Re:A whole lot of crimes need stiffer sentences (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44073737)

"...much of the graffiti here is quite artistic and adds value to its surroundings..."

Riiight. Because we all know home values go up when theyre in graffiti filled areas. What a fucking moron.

Re:A whole lot of crimes need stiffer sentences (1)

Dave Emami (237460) | about 10 months ago | (#44073757)

vandalism? So you think some kid doing graffiti should get a harsher penalty?

Corporal punishment would be better in that case -- cheaper to administer, and probably better long-term for younger criminals rather than putting them in prison and effectively taking away valuable time from their developing years while exposing them to far worse criminals. Better for everyone if a juvenile vandal gets what Michael Fay [wikipedia.org] got in Singapore in 1994. It's painful and humiliating, but it's over with quickly, and he can go back to school the next day, mindful that he better not pull that kind of crap again.

I live in downtown LA and much of the graffiti here is quite artistic and adds value to its surroundings.

That may be your opinion, but the only opinion that should legally count is that of whoever owns the wall that got spraypainted, or whatever. I certainly wasn't happy when some idiot keyed my car, or when I go into a restroom and find someone has carved their initials into the toilet seats. If you're talking about graffiti on public property like the LA river basin, put it to a vote.

Re:A whole lot of crimes need stiffer sentences (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44073449)

Death penalty. Think about it like this.... that is the life savings of how many people? Guy robs a liquor store for 100 dollars and gets 20 years. Guy that steals 100 million gets a big bonus at the end of the year.

There. FTFY.

Re:A whole lot of crimes need stiffer sentences (5, Insightful)

kiite (1700846) | about 10 months ago | (#44073499)

Holy bad example, Batman! A guy who robs a liquor store for $100 doesn't get 20 years for stealing $100. He gets 20 years for pointing a gun at the liquor store attendant and threatening his life for personal gain. Possibly as a repeat offender.

What a lot of commenters don't seem to get is that the sort of pollution that hardcore offenders engage in over there often results in human deaths. So the potential for punishment is merely being brought in line with the crime. You won't deter serious polluters with a fine.

That said, sure, many crimes are not proportional to their sentences. No news here. While we're making improbable demands, i think the act of spitting chewing gum on the street or sidewalk should be treated as vandalism, and enforced accordingly.

In Communist China... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44073271)

In Communist China, company executives are held responsible for their actions. Meanwhile, in capitalist/fascist USA, the worst that happens is they're fired with a massive golden parachute. Maybe instead, we should get them a literal chunk of gold shaped like a parachute and shove them out of airplane.

American legal system: You're doing it wrong.

Eh what's the point when decisions are made. (2, Interesting)

Impy the Impiuos Imp (442658) | about 10 months ago | (#44073293)

China is saving more lives abandoning communism and heavy socialism, as we are witnessing. Would that the west keep that in mind as it rockets in the wrong direction, living off past glories of economic freedom.

Murder people? You've gotta be kidding. There's a reason you don't execute rapists or failed attempted murderers -- "If you're gonna be exected anyway, well, dead women tell no tales."

Presumably dead inspectors tell no tales, either. :(

By the way, if your impulse to the OP is "Good!", you habe serious problems, wanting to murder political opposition. Eh, these people are in favor of censorship, so it's not surprising.

Go ahead. Censor me because you don't like being accused of having a desire to censor people who claim you like censoring.

Re:Eh what's the point when decisions are made. (1)

evilviper (135110) | about 10 months ago | (#44073699)

There's a reason you don't execute rapists or failed attempted murderers -- "If you're gonna be exected anyway, well, dead women tell no tales."

Presumably dead inspectors tell no tales, either. :(

Nope, there's nothing to worry about, because the death penalty is not a deterrent:

http://www.amnestyusa.org/our-work/issues/death-penalty/us-death-penalty-facts/the-death-penalty-and-deterrence [amnestyusa.org]

This should be legal everywhere. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44073331)

This should be legal everywhere. Call them what you want, but China is leading the way in terms of enforcing pollution controls. We need more nations to follow suit to show that "we are all in this together."

Now I don't think anyone will ever be killed for this, but this serves as fair warning...fuck with the environment and we will fuck with you. This should send a message to corporate America that we cannot just export your toxic waste to other countries and kill HUMAN BEINGS like they are flies on the wall. The 21st century will be marked with extreme climate change, famine, and pollution, so I'm all for enforcing these laws EVERYWHERE if it means our children will be able to breathe. The president called this a century of Asian dominance...they are already leading the way in taking care of the environment.

Meanwhile, America is doomed to rot under its own oil and natural gas. We will have to turn to China for everything in the future...we are setting ourselves up for welfare. We can't even agree on the Kyoto treaty, you can thank Bush and his oil profiting cronies for pulling us out of that. Unless the politicians get the message and start punishing the serious POLLUTERS, WE ARE ALL DESTINED TO DIE.

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Re:This should be legal everywhere. (1)

datavirtue (1104259) | about 10 months ago | (#44073805)

Rant about pollution, sent from my iPhone, charged on the power grid, while driving in my car.

In Other News (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44073359)

Al Gore named Head Executioner

In Other News (0)

Sparticus789 (2625955) | about 10 months ago | (#44073377)

The Sea Shephards have re-registered their ships under the Chinese flag and will now be carrying RPGs and machine guns to stop the Japanese whaling fleets. No international incident here folks!

Shanghai Suprise (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44073381)

Last time I was in Shanghai there were bodies floating past the Bund. When I went on the riverboat I was told to try and stay near the middle because if you got splashed with water it might make a hole in my clothes. But the people who polluted Shanghai were only kidding around not the serious type so I guess they are all set.

Meet in the middle (1)

nickmalthus (972450) | about 10 months ago | (#44073417)

When free trade with China was originally promoted it was always promised China would become more like America with open markets and civil liberties. But I believe the opposite is true with America becoming more like China. Some examples are exemption of clean water act for oil and gas exploration, promotion of the keystone tar sand pipeline, and monsanto protection act. While these crony capitalism arrangements would not be surprising in China they are becoming more frequent here. Abolition of labor unions, total government surveillance of all communication, widespread incarceration, and glorification of militarism are other areas where America appears to be moving towards totalitarianism. Wlll someday the scale tip and will China become more progessive than America?

Goodbye Foxconn (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44073503)

We hardly knew ye.

Will they go after the low level works or the peop (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about 10 months ago | (#44073529)

Will they go after the low level works or the people calling the shots?

Mmmm bacon (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44073537)

"river full of dead pigs"

I wish to know more about this "bacon river"...

Too much (3, Funny)

PPH (736903) | about 10 months ago | (#44073625)

A prison sentence is sufficient. With a bread and water diet.

Guess where we got the water.

Re:Too much (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44073813)

A prison sentence in china is probably equivalent to a death penalty.

Just to clarify (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44073815)

Obviously this is only for SERIOUS polluters, as the article says. After all, if China were to kill all polluters, there would not be a single person left in that shit heap of a country.

Serioulsy, have you ever been there? Kids have slits cut in their pants so they can shit in the street. A video of a woman shitting in an elevator recently made the rounds on Chinese social media.

What a filthy, horrid place.

Killing two birds with one stone (0)

BLToday (1777712) | about 10 months ago | (#44073817)

Certainly will cut down on polluters and help with China's population problem.

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