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Oracle and Microsoft To Announce Cloud Partnership Monday

Soulskill posted about 9 months ago | from the they-go-together-like-peanut-butter-and-jellyfish dept.

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symbolset writes "While some might liken the deal to the Empire joining up with the Trade Federation, there may be some interesting outcomes for this one. On Monday Microsoft and Oracle are expected to announce a 'cloud" partnership'. Although the two companies often seem to be at odds, two of their founders — Bill Gates and Larry Ellison — are partners in charity in the 'giving pledge.' Is this the beginning of a beautiful friendship? 'Oracle is battling an image not of growing up, but of growing old. On Thursday the company announced lower than expected earnings, which it ascribed to a tough economy overseas. Cloud-based software grew well, but remains a small part of its overall revenue. The company also said it would raise its dividend and announced a big stock buyback, behaviors usually undertaken by tech companies when they begin to grow more slowly.'"

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Cloud schmoud (5, Informative)

ViaNRG (892147) | about 9 months ago | (#44084247)

I thought Larry Ellison hates cloud computing? [cnet.com]

Re:Cloud schmoud (1)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | about 9 months ago | (#44084759)

Where do you see any "hate" in that? He's just saying what Alan Kay has been saying all along (that the field is more like pop culture than anything else).

Re:Cloud schmoud (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44085287)

I thought Larry Ellison hates cloud computing? [cnet.com]

No, he's just mocking the marketing term, and uses an analog to fashion ("orange is the new pink"):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FacYAI6DY0

Also the 2009 interview (at the Churchill Club) is quite interesting:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmrxN3GWHpM

A lot of people mock Ellison and Oracle's business practices, but I've always found him to be a sharp guy.

Re:Cloud schmoud (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44086821)

Actually what he said, and what you said he said are 2 different things. Try reading your own link, and thanks for playing.
 
  "We'll make cloud computing announcements. I'm not going to fight this thing. But I don't understand what we would do differently in the light of cloud."

Re:Cloud schmoud (1)

lsatenstein (949458) | about 10 months ago | (#44094393)

I thought Larry Ellison hates cloud computing? [cnet.com]

===
Nah, he doesn't hate Cloud Computing. It is his way to test the waters for an eventual Oracle takeover of Microsoft. Ellison thrives on winning, and will, by successive approximations, suddenly be asked to take over all of MS. Just you wait and see.

A marriage made in HELL (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44084259)

Imagine what their children will look like?

Re:A marriage made in HELL (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44084291)

It's actually quite intriguing. They've managed to reach a point where they need to join forces to create something even worse than usual.

Re:A marriage made in HELL (1)

c0lo (1497653) | about 9 months ago | (#44084397)

It's actually quite intriguing. They've managed to reach a point where they need to join forces to create something even worse than usual.

A pity that an "Axis of evil" usually comes in 3. Wonder who will join?

Re:A marriage made in HELL (3, Funny)

Chris Mattern (191822) | about 9 months ago | (#44084449)

A pity that an "Axis of evil" usually comes in 3. Wonder who will join?

They haven't covered games yet. They need EA.

Re:A marriage made in HELL (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44085239)

MOE? Well Larry is obviously already there, so who is third Stooge? And are they playing Shep? Joe? Curly Joe? New Stooge? NSA?

Re:A marriage made in HELL (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44084497)

Apple and Facebook are already there.

Re:A marriage made in HELL (1)

Grishnakh (216268) | about 9 months ago | (#44084987)

There's several candidates: Yahoo, Symantec, Nokia, and of course Facebook and EA as other people mentioned.

Re:A marriage made in HELL (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44085271)

Dear US,

Simple, capitalism is evil which means all business owners and USians are evil since you all support capitalism.

Sincerely,
Signed: The Rest of the World

Re:A marriage made in HELL (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | about 9 months ago | (#44085681)

This won't happen, but the best [worst] possible name would be SAP.

I would absolutely love to see what Microsoft, Oracle, and SAP would come up with together. Not least because it would surely implode and take all three with it

Re:A marriage made in HELL (1)

Hognoxious (631665) | about 9 months ago | (#44086725)

Hate to break it to you, but you've been able to run SAP using Oracle on Windows since NT was state of the art.

Re:A marriage made in HELL (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44086563)

Who else Apple.

Re:A marriage made in HELL (1)

marcosdumay (620877) | about 9 months ago | (#44087961)

Apple seems obvious, except that I doubt they'll join anything. Apple looks like a fight-alone-to-death kind of warrior.

But they'll certainly keep ther current non-agression pact.

Re:A marriage made in HELL (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44086991)

This is an "Axis of weasels".

Re:A marriage made in HELL (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44100513)

VMware. It will give you the trifecta of jackoff companies that charge way too much for what the others do for free.

Once you have reached the point where you have a stack with Vmware, Oracle, and Microsoft; you better hope that your budget can take the abuse.

Re:A marriage made in HELL (2)

c0lo (1497653) | about 9 months ago | (#44084415)

It's actually quite intriguing. They've managed to reach a point where they need to join forces to create something even worse than usual.

Say... Windows 10 will have the file system running on top of an Oracle DB?

Re:A marriage made in HELL (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44084843)

So you'll need three DBAs and two sysadmins to turn your PC on?

Re:A marriage made in HELL (1)

davester666 (731373) | about 9 months ago | (#44085597)

Even better, you'll need to access your files by entering SQL queries.

Re:A marriage made in HELL (1)

CastrTroy (595695) | about 9 months ago | (#44085849)

As somebody who know's SQL, I always thought it would be useful to be able to (optionally) query the file system using SQL queries.

Re:A marriage made in HELL (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44086589)

As somebody who know's SQL

But not, it would seem, apostrophes.

Re:A marriage made in HELL (1)

marcosdumay (620877) | about 9 months ago | (#44087973)

Belive it or not, that was WinFS selling point by the late 90's. Directly from the MS marketing.

Re:A marriage made in HELL (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44084999)

This is like the Nazi-Soviet Non-Aggression Pact of 1939. We all know how that turned out.

Re:A marriage made in HELL (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44085179)

Imagine what their children will look like?

NO! I will NOT think of the children!
I value my mental health too much.

I think this will be yet another case of "two wrongs don't make a right".

Re:A marriage made in HELL (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44085363)

Don't they have too many child processes with excessive dependencies already? To them probably not as they still confiscate all their income, basically keeping them as child workers.

Windows now even has their own company store, in which they even expect their users to shop. Careful, they will get your soul if they can!

If you don't get the latter humor then GET OFF MY LAWN! Else you will hear Tennessee Ernie Ford singing.

Re:A marriage made in HELL (1)

joelito_pr (931211) | about 9 months ago | (#44086789)

I load sixteen tons and what do I get,
one day older and deeper in debt.
Saint Peter don't you call me 'cause I can't go,
I owe my soul to the company store.

Missing Tag (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44085873)

PigsCanFly

Very good news (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44084265)

Let's hope they eat each other.

Partnership of two dead cows... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44084267)

Partnership of two dead cows...
Really, who cares?

Shuttleworth on Azure (2, Interesting)

blarkon (1712194) | about 9 months ago | (#44084271)

Microsoft has built an impressive new entrant to the Infrastructure-as-a-Service market, and Ubuntu is there for customers who want to run workloads on Azure that are best suited to Linux. Windows Azure was built for the enterprise market, an audience which is increasingly comfortable with Ubuntu as a workhorse for scale-out workloads; in short, it's a good fit for both of us, and it's been interesting to do the work to bring Ubuntu to the platform.

Given that it's normal for us to spin up 2,000-node Hadoop clusters with Juju, it will be very valuable to have a new enterprise-oriented cloud with which to evaluate performance, latency, reliability, scalability and many other key metrics for production deployment scenarios.

As IAAS grows in recognition as a standard part of the enterprise toolkit, it will be important to have a wide range of infrastructures that are addressable, with diverse strengths. In the case of Windows Azure, there is clearly a deep connection between Windows-based IT and the new IAAS. But I think Microsoft has set their sights on a bigger story, which is high-quality enterprise-oriented infrastructure that is generally useful. That's why Ubuntu is important to them, and why it was worthwhile for us to work together despite our differences. Just as we need to ensure that customers can run Ubuntu and Windows together inside their data centre and on the LAN, we want to ensure that cloud workloads play nicely.

The team leading Azure has a sophisticated understanding of Ubuntu and Linux in general. They are taking a pragmatic approach that will raise eyebrows around the Redmond campus, but is exactly what customers want to see. We have taken a similar view. I know there will be members of the free software community that will leap at the chance to berate Microsoft for its very existence, but it's not very Ubuntu to do so: let's argue our perspective, work towards our goals, be open to those who are open to us, and build great stuff. There is nothing proprietary in Ubuntu-for-Azure, and no about-turn from us on long-held values. This is us making sure our audience, and especially the enterprise audience, can benefit from the work our community and Canonical do no matter where they want to do it.

From: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1158 [markshuttleworth.com]

Re:Shuttleworth on Azure (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44085373)

did he say that right after signing a license with Microsoft which indemnifies Ubuntu users from patents Microsoft claims to own?

Re:Shuttleworth on Azure (1)

cusco (717999) | about 9 months ago | (#44087149)

Probably why MS is building data centers as fast as they can pour concrete.

it's just oracle os and apps in ms cloud. (3, Interesting)

gl4ss (559668) | about 9 months ago | (#44084307)

isn't it obvious?

they already offer linux ffs..

Whose going to put stuff in the cloud now??? (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44084313)

So we're supposed to put business data into US based clouds? Have you missed the news?? Never heard of PRISM?

For example Cloudera, Cloud based Hadoop cluster for businesses:
http://www.cloudera.com/content/cloudera/en/home.html
Backed with venture capital from....NSA... because terrorists something something

http://www.crunchbase.com/company/cloudant
The there's Cloudant, the database in the cloud, which got backing from VC company run by NSA

Oh but my favorites are the always on video recording Looxcie and their sister company vidcie, Looxcie is a life cam you wear all the time that uploads your life to the cloud, and vidcie is a business video system, have those important business meetings using vidcie... back with NSA VC money, because terrorists do conference calls!
http://www.looxcie.com/
http://www.vidcie.com

Seriously, nobody in their right minds is going to move any critical business data into the US cloud, when the NSA can (and does) grab it with secret warrants and their laws say they can do anything that's in US interests.

Their VC company I-Q-Tel, clearly backs business cloud startups and now we know they grab US databases, its easy to see the purpose for trying to get companies to put their secret business data into the US cloud.

Other VC choices:
http://www.platfora.com/
Datamining unstructured data. Remember the claim that NSA don't datamine the data? And yet we got the GCHQ leak showing GCHQ using NSA data mining software! This is a typical datamining company they sunk capital into.

Connectify
http://www.connectify.me/
Wifi sharing software that reports back a lot of linkage info:
"By using Connectify location based services, you authorize us to locate your hardware and to record, compile and display your location. As part of Connectify, we may also collect and store certain information about our users, such as, users’ wireless mobile subscriber ISDN and/or IMEI numbers (as applicable) and users’ network access identifier information.""

3vr
http://www.3vr.com/
"3VR, the video intelligence company, enables organizations to search, mine and leverage video to bolster security".. more data mining.

Their VC company is called InQTel:
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2009/10/exclusive-us-spies-buy-stake-in-twitter-blog-monitoring-firm

Security is NOT an issue with The Cloud. (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44084363)

Wait a minute. I'm a manager, and I've been reading a lot of case studies and watching a lot of webcasts about The Cloud. Based on all of this glorious marketing literature, I, as a manager, have absolutely no reason to doubt the safety of any data put in The Cloud.

The case studies all use words like "secure", "MD5", "RSS feeds" and "encryption" to describe the security of The Cloud. I don't know about you, but that sounds damn secure to me! Some Clouds even use SSL and HTTP. That's rock solid in my book.

And don't forget that you have to use Web Services to access The Cloud. Nothing is more secure than SOA and Web Services, with the exception of perhaps SaaS. But I think that Cloud Services 2.0 will combine the tiers into an MVC-compliant stack that uses SaaS to increase the security and partitioning of the data.

My main concern isn't with the security of The Cloud, but rather with getting my Indian team to learn all about it so we can deploy some first-generation The Cloud applications and Web Services to provide the ultimate platform upon which we can layer our business intelligence and reporting, because there are still a few verticals that we need to leverage before we can move to The Cloud 2.0.

Well I'm a *senior* manager... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44084447)

...and you had me at "case studies", so of course I'll move all my companies critical whatnot into that cloud thingy!

Well I'm an ORACLE manager and... (0)

Shavano (2541114) | about 9 months ago | (#44084877)

Well, I'm a manager at Oracle and if our customers insist on putting their business data in "the cloud" I'm not going to miss the opportunity to take their money. Don't worry. We'll wrap it in so many layers of hard-to-use and slow-to-access that it won't be worth anybody's time to crack our state-of-the-art encryption.

And in case our users lose access to their keys, don't worry. We'll have a key repository service. It will only cost $4595/user-year.

Hope this helps.

Re:Security is NOT an issue with The Cloud. (1)

Rob_Bryerton (606093) | about 9 months ago | (#44088047)

Apparently humor and sarcasm are lost on the mods today, because right now, the parent is modded "3, Interesting." Wow...

Re:Security is NOT an issue with The Cloud. (1)

Bonobo_Unknown (925651) | about 10 months ago | (#44089121)

Thanks for that, my head was starting to spin, and no matter how many times I checked the score was never marked "funny".

Re:Security is NOT an issue with The Cloud. (1)

Maow (620678) | about 10 months ago | (#44090527)

Thanks for that, my head was starting to spin, and no matter how many times I checked the score was never marked "funny".

Odd, here's what I see for the score:


Starting Score: 0 points
Moderation +4
    30% Funny
    30% Underrated
    20% Insightful
Extra 'Interesting' Modifier 0 (Edit)
Total Score: 4

NO Interesting votes cast, at all. Yet it sits at +4 Interesting.

That, in itself, is interesting.

Re:Whose going to put stuff in the cloud now??? (2)

Shavano (2541114) | about 9 months ago | (#44084769)

So we're supposed to put business data into US based clouds? Have you missed the news?? Never heard of PRISM?

If you're a US-based business, that would seem to be best. According to the press, they don't snoop as much on internal traffic as they do on international traffic. It also means only one government can interfere with what you're doing and you only deal with one set of laws and there are no import-export issues regarding information. You won't inadvertently transfer technology out of the country, thereby violating US export restrictions, for instance. And latencies can be better.

Regardless, the idea of putting business data on servers that don't belong to my company sounds like an idea whose time would never come if businesses were making decisions based on security rather than cost. And if you're big, cost probably isn't significantly less either.

Sadly no (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44085023)

"Regardless, the idea of putting business data on servers that don't belong to my company sounds like an idea whose time would never come if businesses were making decisions based on security rather than cost. "

I think the legal liabilities will absolutely kill USA cloud based solutions.

NSA is clearly on dodgy ground with their "targeting everyone is not targeting Americans" legal claim. Since *everyone* is a superset of *Americans*. Worse, they only need a warrant if the analyst decides they're American. So the warrant can be skipped simply on the opinion of the analyst. Worse they've been doing the GCHQ reach-around to grab content too. So it all puts them well outside US law. Only sustainable by keeping it all super secret so it can never be examined by legal challenge [and that's gone soon].

If NSA is on dodgy ground, then companies that hand the data over have a legal liability. So companies will want to pull all that data back within their control, defend it with legal force simply to reduce those liabilities. Even if they're American companies, even if their data is only on Americans [at analysts discretion].

Does asking for immunity sound like he's doing it legally? Why would they need immunity if its legal?:
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130617/12553023511/nsa-boss-asks-congress-legal-immunity-companies-that-help-nsa-spy-everyone.shtml

So its not legal and companies are liable.

Re:Sadly no (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44086597)

"I think the legal liabilities will absolutely kill USA cloud based solutions.[...] So its not legal and companies are liable."

Exactly. That Fisa court is a kangaroo court we are not even accusing North Korea of perpetrating. Spy "warrants' for the future acts will never fly in an open court, even with corrupt Supreme Court judges as we have now.

Re:Whose going to put stuff in the cloud now??? (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about 9 months ago | (#44085221)

According to the press, they don't snoop as much on internal traffic as they do on international traffic.

Ah yes, damning with faint praise.

Re:Whose going to put stuff in the cloud now??? (2)

Skuld-Chan (302449) | about 9 months ago | (#44087069)

My big question is of course - how do you know the CIA isn't already tapping the data in your network?

I mean where I work we have infrastructure security people (3 of them!) but only one I've met seems to actually know anything about vulnerability vectors and actually knows how to parse access logs.

Love at first partnership (1)

markdavis (642305) | about 9 months ago | (#44084317)

>"While some might liken the deal to the Empire joining up with the Trade Federation"

They deserve each other. Might be a match made in heaven. Think of all the markets they can ruin together!

The Cloud (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44084327)

Where finally all your ideas belong to Corporate America and the NSA has an all access card.

Excellent Idea! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44084385)

Oracle & Microsoft on the same team?

I bet whatever they produce will be:

1) Open Source

2) Well thought-out and well-designed

3) Non captive, aka, open standards, designed for compatibility

4) Inexpensive, with intelligently thought out pricing tiers

Hooray for collaboration!

Javascript Crashes Explorer Solution (1)

retroworks (652802) | about 9 months ago | (#44084431)

Anything, anything which brings javascript closer to fluidity. Maybe Google should join too.

Oracle installation 4gb (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44084457)

it would work but the customer sure have to paid a lot for disk space and network . some customer wouldn't like data in the end. what if any failure ? azure been failure sometimes.

and the name will be (4, Funny)

Mister Liberty (769145) | about 9 months ago | (#44084463)

Miracle

Re:and the name will be (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44084957)

Skynet for Workgroups

Re:and the name will be (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44088247)

You thought Arnold was bad wait till Clippy gets a gun.

Re:and the name will be (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44086729)

Red headed Step Child that no one wants!

Mediocrity (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44084511)

reaches out to mediocrity.

Worried about Linux? (1, Interesting)

digitalhermit (113459) | about 9 months ago | (#44084533)

It looks like it will be the rest of the industry versus Microsoft and Oracle. IBM, HP, Cisco, Red Hat and hundreds of smaller companies are getting behind OpenStack and Linux based infrastructure. At recent talks I've attended, Oracle and Microsoft were barely mentioned. The OS is Linux and the databases are mongodb, nosql.. No one is talking about MS/Oracle solutions except in a VMWare talk I attended a month ago, and even then it was mainly about licensing models. Oracle and Microsoft are in big danger of becoming irrelevant in the cloud.

Re:Worried about Linux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44085763)

I was wondering if it was more of a 'the friend of my enemy is my friend' type of partnering than anything else. Sounds like it is.

So still disappointed Oracle purchased Sun Microsystems. Then again, I was disappointed when HP purchased Apollo and got over that as markets and technology changed.

The elephant in the room: Amazon (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44084929)

No mention of Red Hat or IBM either.

This is starting to resemble the Unix wars [nytimes.com] of the late '80s, which itself was modelled after 19th century geopolitics.

The end of Oracle? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44085021)

Everytime I see a company 'partner up' with Microsoft, it spells their doom. Does this mean that Oracle is on its way out?

Two old farts (1)

vjanicek (1939392) | about 9 months ago | (#44085033)

Can't help but thinking on the "old farts" joke of George Carlin. Oracle and Microsoft while still successful in many areas, are getting far behind on many other areas and it's only because of this old man's way of thinking. They will become irrelevant on the cloud... if they are not already so

oh really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44085143)

another reason to not like Oracle.....

Larry Ellison's Trust Fund Babies (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44087413)

"Ellison’s kids have already gotten much, much more, from their holdings in both Oracle and NetSuite, which Ellison financed from its inception in 1998 .. How the trusts acquired those shares or even what type of trusts these are isn’t clear .. The easiest way to transfer big bucks without paying taxes is to give away stock in a start-up, when it’s worth almost nothing. Closer to the IPO, when the shares were worth more" .. link [forbes.com]

Does NSA has backdoor (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44088003)

Of course the NSA has backdoor to this cloud partnership

A New Evil Empire? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44088501)

I just felt a great disturbance in the force.

MS/Oracle/NSA partnership ;-p (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#44090005)

Which I will obviously use if I want MS to hand all of my company's data to the US government and in the future to any of my rivals who pay the most ...

azure? (2)

fazey (2806709) | about 10 months ago | (#44090943)

It is definitely about time. Azure is terrible. Anyone who has ever tried to create an Image in Azure knows it is pure garbage. Microsoft blatantly disregarded the Open Virtualization Format standards, and created a VHD. Then even if you use HyperV to save your image, it doesn't necessarily mean its going to work. You still need the Windows Azure Agent. Then... if it still doesn't work. Good luck! Because there is no console to trouble shoot it.

I have no idea what Oracles "cloud" looks like. But it can't be much worse than Azure.
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