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Edward Snowden Leaves Hong Kong

samzenpus posted about 9 months ago | from the hit-the-road-jack dept.

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hazeii writes "Ed Snowden, the U.S. whistleblower responsible for exposing the degree to which the U.S. watches its own citizens (as well as the rest of the world) is reported as having left Hong Kong for Moscow. According to the South China Morning Post, he is on a commercial flight to Russia but intriguingly it seems this is not his final destination. It's not clear whether this move is in response to the U.S. request to extradite him."

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Going to Russia for safety from the US. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44084471)

What has the world come to?

He is not entering Russia. (4, Informative)

csumpi (2258986) | about 9 months ago | (#44084727)

From NYT [nytimes.com]:

"Russia’s Interfax news service, citing a “person familiar with the situation,” reported that Mr. Snowden would remain in transit at an airport in Moscow for “several hours” pending an onward flight to Cuba, and would therefore not formally cross the Russian border or be subject to detention."

Re:He is not entering Russia. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44084783)

Let's hope he spills a lot of secrets to Moscow on the way.

No one on this planet (except perhaps a dwindling minority of US citizens and people of low intelligence in the Anglo-Saxon countries) thinks of the United States as the "good guys" any more. The best we can hope for is a balance of power by keeping all the bullies competing with each other.

Re:He is not entering Russia. (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44084905)

You are deluded if you think Russia vs United States, Russia is the 'good guys'. In fact, I don't consider the US to be 'good guys', but compared to Russia they appear to be. Putin orders hits on reports who write unfavourable articles on him, more than once, and its fairly widely accepted in Russia. End of story.

The US and all its NSA bullshit isn't quite comparable to the threat of death for speaking out, if so all of the reporters who've covered Snowden would be fearing for their lives.

Re:He is not entering Russia. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44084789)

This may not be a good move. Cuba contains Guantanamo Bay, which is technically US managed space, and the personnel there have been documented as torturing prisoners. And several prisoners there have apparently "suicided" by beating themselves to death.

Re:Going to Russia for safety from the US. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44084751)

Iffin i had the money and wherewithal i'd be pitching a remake of "moscow on the hudson"

Re:Going to Russia for safety from the US. (5, Insightful)

NormHome (99305) | about 9 months ago | (#44084793)

While modded as funny this is tragic that the US government is spying wholesale on it's own citizens, breaking the spirit of the Constitution to the extent that employees of the government feel the need to "blow the whistle" and expose those activities. Then those whistle blowers have to seek asylum in country's that have been known to engage in wholesale repression of anti-government dissent by the citizens of those country's.

There is just something so wrong about all of this and on so many levels.

Re:Going to Russia for safety from the US. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44084819)

Re:Going to Russia for safety from the US. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44084959)

He does not need to be pardoned. When one spots errors, then points them out so they can be rectified, one should be applauded. He exposed gross constitutional (usa) violations as well as international violations of peoples privacy rights.
Curious how the pro-fear/warmongering pundits splashed him down in all the papers...
First they said hes a Kommie spy, then the say hes a manic-depressive, then they say hes a Russki, then obviously according to the trend, hes going to Cuba and next they will say hes linked to alkayda, the kkk, or Steve Jobs!

For real though, he might be next spotted on the moon (that time of the month again); shucks, the amount of blood-diamonds the israelis have dealt in has funded their space-program (diamonds on the moon!), it would seem only natural that they would be so dEEply involved in the illicit-data-mining business. dirty.

Re:Going to Russia for safety from the US. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44084855)

It's all perfectly in order if you believe that democracies have a life cycle, can only last so long then decay back into a state of tyranny. This is obviously the stage that the United States is in, the decay back into tyranny. As they were among the first of the modern democracies, it's likely that the decay will start with them and progress to the other democracies over time leading, eventually back into a completely tyrannical world government where there will be a select ruling class, the remainder of the population will be the slaves and only the ruling class will be immune from total surveillance and control.

for reference see Bilderberg Meetings and Agenda 21. Not quite sure if they are working together on this or at cross purposes but in any case it will be bad situation for them as figure they were in the middle class soon to be formally demoted to the slave class along with them as were already in the poorer classes.

Re:Going to Russia for safety from the US. (5, Insightful)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | about 9 months ago | (#44084863)

and yet, we'll continue to lie to our kids at school when we teach them about our 'constitution' and how we have the high moral ground on all the issues and that the US is the most free country in the world.

I wonder, at what age, do the kids see thru the bullshit and realize they are being lied to 180degrees ?

when I was growing up (70's), 'the red commies' were the ones that did the shit WE are now doing. we laughed at them for being so non-free.

I'm not doing a lot of laughing these days, however. ;(

I'M ASHAMED OF MY COUNTRY.

our government has stopped representing the will of the american people. you can blame us for not rising up and overthrowing them, but given that they are the most powerful government in the history of the world, its not an easy task to reign in the corruption and restore normal law and order again.

pity us for having the american dream ruined before our very eyes. realize that we were once a great nation, but sadly, I cannot say we are a great nation anymore. no one in the US government will say they are sorry, so I'll say it for them. not that it matters, as I am a total nobody, but I am sorry that we have lost our way and turned to the dark side. I am very very sorry and I want the world to know that the majority of *thinking* americans do not approve of this bullshit spying and data-grab.

BBC and NYT confirm this news (1, Informative)

aheath (628369) | about 9 months ago | (#44084477)

The BBC and the New York Times also have articles reporting the Edward Snowden has left Hong Kong on a flight to Moscow.

Re:BBC and NYT confirm this news (2)

taiwanjohn (103839) | about 9 months ago | (#44084523)

Others speculate that he's only going to Moscow in transit to Iceland (which has offered him asylum) or some other place.

Allegedly Venezuela By Way of Cuba (3, Informative)

eldavojohn (898314) | about 9 months ago | (#44084539)

What I heard on NPR this morning [npr.org] is that Snowden's rumored travel involves Moscow to Cuba and then Cuba to Caracas, Venezuela according to an unidentified Aeroflot official.

That, of course, could all be misdirection.

Re:Allegedly Venezuela By Way of Cuba (1)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | about 9 months ago | (#44084565)

Old spy escape wisdom . . . never run in a straight line . . . and never stop too long in one place.

However, if Snowdon is actually a "spy" or a more a "whistleblower", is up for debate.

Re:Allegedly Venezuela By Way of Cuba (2)

Idimmu Xul (204345) | about 9 months ago | (#44084683)

However, if Snowdon is actually a "spy" or a more a "whistleblower", is up for debate.

May be we should have a trial and find out?

Re:Allegedly Venezuela By Way of Cuba (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44084781)

That would be ideal, but the US has not been treating accused whistleblowers with any fairness or justice lately; who will hold this trial, since we appear to be incapable of not prosecuting them as guilty from the moment we lay hands on them?

Re:Allegedly Venezuela By Way of Cuba (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44084849)

Whether you think what he did was good aside, he's absolutely guilty of distributing confidential information and has admitted it.

Re:Allegedly Venezuela By Way of Cuba (4, Informative)

Rockoon (1252108) | about 9 months ago | (#44084967)

Whether you think what he did was good aside, he's absolutely guilty of distributing confidential information and has admitted it.

He has admitted to violating a contract, but contracts are superseded by the laws of the land. He is accused of treason, for which he has not admitted to nor has what he admitted to indicate treason. What he has admitted to is that he observed the government breaking the law.

Re:Allegedly Venezuela By Way of Cuba (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44084825)

To find out what? That he leaked confidential information? We already know that.

The idea that he's a spy is ludicrous. Since when spies tell what they know to everyone?

Re:Allegedly Venezuela By Way of Cuba (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44084829)

You mean a show trial like that held for Manning?

Re:Allegedly Venezuela By Way of Cuba (4, Informative)

Trepidity (597) | about 9 months ago | (#44084577)

That's what I've heard reported elsewhere as well. But just now I saw that the Norwegian Pirate Party claims he's en route to Oslo [twitter.com].

Rough translation of the tweet: "#Snowden has landed in Moscow on the way to Oslo, Gardermoen. The Pirate Party will mobilize support in Oslo when he arrives."

No idea if that's legit.

Re:Allegedly Venezuela By Way of Cuba (1)

DarkOx (621550) | about 9 months ago | (#44084619)

Who knows; and you know what probably for the best. Why not have all the friendlies you can announce you are on the way to seek asylum in their country? Might as well make the US law enforcement waste it times trying to figure out who to strong arm.

Re:Allegedly Venezuela By Way of Cuba (1)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | about 9 months ago | (#44084687)

I heard he was on a flight to Equador, as they have shown some willingness to protect whistleblowers sought by the US.

Re:Allegedly Venezuela By Way of Cuba (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44084655)

That's what I've heard reported elsewhere as well. But just now I saw that the Norwegian Pirate Party claims he's en route to Oslo [twitter.com].

Rough translation of the tweet: "#Snowden has landed in Moscow on the way to Oslo, Gardermoen. The Pirate Party will mobilize support in Oslo when he arrives."

No idea if that's legit.

It's almost certainly false and done as a show of support by the Norwegian Pirate Party.

Re:Allegedly Venezuela By Way of Cuba (5, Interesting)

rasmusbr (2186518) | about 9 months ago | (#44084711)

It's probably a decoy. I highly doubt he's heading for a NATO country.

Re: Allegedly Venezuela By Way of Cuba (3, Insightful)

JWW (79176) | about 9 months ago | (#44084627)

I support what he has done, and appreciate him informing American citizens to the constant surveillance that we at under.

But Venezuela? I want him to escape prosecution. I do not want him to enable a despotic government to appear to be free. Ironically Snowden will be "free" in Venezuela, but the Venezuelan people are not.

I was really hoping he'd end up in Iceland.

Re: Allegedly Venezuela By Way of Cuba (0)

flyingfsck (986395) | about 9 months ago | (#44084739)

Why are you moaning about the few million non-free people in Venezuela, compared to the 300 million people in the United Democratic Republic of America?

Re: Allegedly Venezuela By Way of Cuba (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44084885)

"Amerika"

Re: Allegedly Venezuela By Way of Cuba (1)

rasmusbr (2186518) | about 9 months ago | (#44084799)

Iceland is not a bad place to live, and there is a great deal of freedom there, but Iceland is also a US ally. There is a semi-closed US military air base close to Reykjavik. It would be trivially easy to seize Snowden by force and fly him to the US if the Icelandic government does not cooperate.

I wouldn't go to any NATO or EU country if I were him.

Re: Allegedly Venezuela By Way of Cuba (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44084919)

Another Dupe of American propaganda pipes up. Venezuelans are probalby more free than Americans.

Re: Allegedly Venezuela By Way of Cuba (3, Interesting)

bradrum (1639141) | about 9 months ago | (#44084993)

Yes I would hope he would end up in a mostly democratic country as well. It would be great to see people in Iceland rise up against international espionage of the color that the NSA is engaged in.

But after the US almost got the Turkish government to amend there constitution to use Turkish bases in the Iraq war, I realized how the US has become an agent against democracy. They used all kinds of economic and military incentives that almost brought Turkey to amend its constitution against the sentiment of the vast majority of voters in that country. I would expect the current US government would play the same knuckle twisting to get a lowly "traitor" extradited from any western ally and hence the US would play a role in spoiling another democracy.

Re:BBC and NYT confirm this news (4, Interesting)

theVarangian (1948970) | about 9 months ago | (#44084755)

Others speculate that he's only going to Moscow in transit to Iceland (which has offered him asylum) or some other place.

AFAIK Iceland has not offered him asylum. The Icelanders just changed to a fiercely right wing government which has already refused to consider asylum unless Snowden actually lands in Reykjavik and hands in an asylum request in person. That does not exactly indicate much enthusiasm for pissing off Obama and the US Republicans. I'd say Snowden is unlikely to receive much sympathy with the current Icelandic Govt. unless the Icelandic population gets together and to forces them to reconsider by protesting or gathering enough names on a petition. Given the size of the country and the close knit nature of Icelandic society it is actually surprisingly easy to get up to 25-30% of the electorate to sign such a petition if you can stir up enough support.

Re:BBC and NYT confirm this news (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44084803)

I don't know, they might want to flip US the bird since they're still pissed about us pulling our four F-16s out of there, thus leaving them high and dry with respect to air power.

Re:BBC and NYT confirm this news (1)

ultranova (717540) | about 9 months ago | (#44084771)

Others speculate that he's only going to Moscow in transit to Iceland (which has offered him asylum) or some other place.

Can Iceland offer him an effective asylum? It's a (pretty remote) island in Atlantic, with low population and almost no military. What, exactly speaking, would stop the US from simply taking him? It does have a history of invading small countries for whatever reason, and both R and D have plenty of reason to scare other whistleblowers into silence.

"News" that matters? (4, Insightful)

arth1 (260657) | about 9 months ago | (#44084489)

By the time this was posted on slashdot, he hadn't just left Hong Kong, but landed in Moscow.

DICE: When copying news in development, please make sure you update it as needed before posting. This worked better before. Not well, but it has become worse.

Re:"News" that matters? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44084521)

I'd rather not know where he is. I wish him good fortune.

Re:"News" that matters? (3, Insightful)

Mathinker (909784) | about 9 months ago | (#44084581)

> I'd rather not know where he is.

You'd just be undermining his chosen strategy for minimizing the chance he'll "be disappeared". Frankly, what he wants is for all of us to know where he is, all the time.

Re:"News" that matters? (1)

aheath (628369) | about 9 months ago | (#44084591)

Slashdot isn't supposed to be a site for breaking news. Slashdot is supposed to be a site with news for nerds and stuff that matters. If you look at the date line on the AP and Reuters stories you will see that Snowden was well on his way to Moscow before the news broke. I saw the news on the BBC site and jumped to Slashdot to see if the news was posted here. I saw that this article was in the queue. I was about to send an email to report the updates when I refreshed the page and the article had been published. A tip of the hat to hazeii and samzenpus for posting this new so quickly.

Re:"News" that matters? (1)

Bing Tsher E (943915) | about 9 months ago | (#44084593)

'Timely news posts' at the top of the page are not that important on Slashdot.

I found out about the September 11 terrorist attacks from a user comment that morning on Slashdot. Somebody just posted it had happened off-topic (I am not sure if it was then modded that way or not, lots of people were pretty busy with other concerns that morning,) and it was time to check CNN and some of the 'other' sites on the Internet.

Slashdot is a pretty dynamic blog for regulars.

Re:"News" that matters? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44084685)

That's what he posted on his Facebook wall.
He's not stupid, though.

(NT) good journey and good luck. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44084499)

(NT) good journey and good luck.

Good much safer bet (1)

DarkOx (621550) | about 9 months ago | (#44084507)

China's interests are to tied to maintaining their farce of good relations with our government. They would have interceded and made HK turn him over eventually. Putin's ego on the other hand will triumph over any desire to not raise tensions (which he may actually want anyway); this will offer Snowden much better protection.

Slashdot - Yesterday news that matters (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44084509)

He just landed in Moscow.
It takes about same time for news to appear on Slashdot as it takes to fly from Hong Kong to Moscow.

No place to hide (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44084519)

I hope for Snowden that the NSA doesn't read slashdot.

Re:No place to hide (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44084597)

I'd be happy if the NSA had to rely on /. for information.

Re:No place to hide (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44084801)

I hope [goatse.fr] they [lemonparty.org] do [break.com]

Run coward run!!!!! (-1, Troll)

johnlcallaway (165670) | about 9 months ago | (#44084571)

Hope this treasonous coward gets extradited and spends the rest of his miserable life in jail. I'm not a fan of the NSA doing all of this, but anyone who didn't know it's been going on is a moron.

Re:Run coward run!!!!! (5, Insightful)

Dins (2538550) | about 9 months ago | (#44084585)

He's anything but a coward. A coward would have kept his mouth shut.

Re:Run coward run!!!!! (4, Insightful)

Zimluura (2543412) | about 9 months ago | (#44084641)

uhh, i think the fact that he hasn't been caught yet (and disappeared) suggests he knew exactly how bad the backlash would be. he knew enough that he could plan for it.

he did not take the path of least resistance here. if he were a coward, he wouldn't have leaked the info in the first place. knowing what he knew, and not doing anything about it, is probably what he saw as cowardly.

Re:Run coward run!!!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44084647)

Hope this treasonous coward gets extradited and spends the rest of his miserable life in jail. I'm not a fan of the NSA doing all of this, but anyone who didn't know it's been going on is a moron.

You realise you're calling the vast majority of your fellow citizens morons.

Re:Run coward run!!!!! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44084715)

Hope this anonymous coward gets extradited and spends the rest of his miserable life in jail. I'm not a fan of the majority of his fellow citizens being morons, but anyone who didn't know it's been going on is a moron.

Re:Run coward run!!!!! (5, Insightful)

DarkOx (621550) | about 9 months ago | (#44084649)

Its the folks still working at NSA who should be rotting in jail. What they have been doing is illegal. Personally I think anyone still there should be treated as a collaborator. We didn't accept "just following orders" as an excuse after WWII, it would be good for the nation if we locked away everyone at NSA doing anything above sweeping the floors.

Re:Run coward run!!!!! (3, Interesting)

LVSlushdat (854194) | about 9 months ago | (#44084851)

I totally agree.. and the old "we were just following orders" didn't work in Nurnberg and it shouldn't work here either.. ANYbody with half a brain AND who has READ the Constitution should KNOW that what they are doing is BLATANTLY unconstitutional.. I don't give a crap what the pigshit running these agencies say, its UNconstitutional..

Re:Run coward run!!!!! (2)

magic maverick (2615475) | about 9 months ago | (#44084765)

I hope you discover that you are wrong. That anyone who exposes the misdeeds of governments is a hero. And that rather than wishing them to be punished, that they should be rewarded. We should encourage people to step forward and denounce wrong doing, not punish them.

You are one of the worst sort of enablers, you claim to care about the misdeeds, but you still wish to punish those who expose them.

Re:Run coward run!!!!! (5, Insightful)

LVSlushdat (854194) | about 9 months ago | (#44084821)

Frankly, Sparky.. I think he's a flippin' national hero, on a par with many of the heros of the first American revolution, and I'm betting theres a LOT of us out here who think this.... He knew his life was gonna change dramatically and he'd likely be on the run from the pigshit running this country now, YET he blew the whistle on the blatantly UNconstitutional crap these three-letter fiefdoms were perpetrating on the American people.. Sure, I'll grant you that he violated a bunch of laws/rules/regulations, BUT he followed the only really important law.. the Constitution, the one mentioned in the oath that government workers take, where they swear to "protect and defend the Constitution from enemies foreign and domestic..." He was defending it from the pigshit poseurs who are trying to shred the Constitution at every turn.. So you can call me and the rest of us who think he's a hero a moron, but we know we're the people the founding fathers had in mind, and YOU are the moron, if I was into ad hominim attacks, which I try to avoid.. But since YOU started it, I'm gonna play along.. You and your ilk are part of the problem with America today... YOU are the moron...

Re:Run coward run!!!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44084931)

Which brings up the idea that in a democracy the voters get the government they deserve. Since most of the people didn't know this was going on and they voted for governments that keep the program going, they get what they deserve.

Bennie was right to say them as give up their rights for security neither deserve or get either. Read the dang Constitution. It tells you how to avoid this situation but you have to have a moderately intelligent and involved citizenry.

How will NSA ever find him? (2)

retroworks (652802) | about 9 months ago | (#44084579)

He's suely lost the trail by announcing Iceland, Cuba and Venezuela as destinations, as good as gone.

Re:How will NSA ever find him? (2)

Dins (2538550) | about 9 months ago | (#44084603)

Yeah, I fully expect him to end up anywhere but places that have already been mentioned.

Re:How will NSA ever find him? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44084665)

Yeah, I fully expect him to end up anywhere but places that have already been mentioned.

I'd stay in Moscow.

Risk of KGB Interrogation? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44084605)

By going to Moscow he would seem to risk interrogation by the KGB (or whatever the agency is currently called).

Job offer (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44084743)

He'll probably get a job, a hot blond Russian or Ukrainian girlfriend, and be living like a king. He's lauded as a hero by the American people and a hero by the Russian government.

Makes me wish I dropped out of college and got a high paying cushy job with the NSA contractor!

Life isn't fair.

why no outcry in the US? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44084629)

Given that his espionage charges and leaning on HK for extradition was all over the US news, why has there been very little popular outrage outside of tiny niche communities like slashdot? Why are there no mass cries to try the senators responsible for the spying program on charges of treason? Where are the million-man marches against the surveillance society that it is no longer possible to pretend we haven't become?

We used to hold ourselves as better than the East Germans and the Soviets for just this reason: we lived in a society free from mass government surveillance, with only special cases allowed based on search warrants obtained with reasonable suspicion. We did not surveil our population as a whole. Seriously, we will let ourselves fall into that place with barely a peep?

What happened to us?

What wrong with you, (US) folks ? (1)

boorack (1345877) | about 9 months ago | (#44084935)

Will be a bit off-topic but it is somewhat related to your questions and Snowden gave us a chance to fix this.

I've ran across this article [popsci.com] and another one [popsci.com]. Both in quite a reputable magazine that is around for 100+ years. While these are theoretical ones, I'm stunned by what they wrote. Theorizing whenever it is possible to dronebomb Snowden without even acknowledging how lawless and cruel such murder would be (yes, murdering, assasination - not just killing!). I'm even more stunned with comments below commenting technicalities of such act without any regard to criminality of such act. Face it folks ! You've been brainwashed to the point where your moral consciouness does not work anymore - you just take such crap for granted from your psychopatic, corporate media and then wonder why there is no outcry ?!? I haven't seen such levels of apathy anywhere in the world ! Add result of latest polls into equation (majority americans don't mind being spied by NSA) and see how sad state of affairs is. Your corporate government can manipulate you into anything it wants ! That huge data cache collected and stored in the NSA is propably the crucial tool it uses to achieve this goal. They can strip you out of everything (see housing bubble, bailouts, healthcare system bankrupting and killing people, fraudclosure, mass-jailing people for profit etc. etc.) and there is virtually no backlash from american citizenry. How this happens is just beyond my perception. I don't know what kind of science does it take to borg 330 millions people into submission, but I suspect it might be as advanced as science behind putting Curiosity rover onto Mars.

Enough (0)

chowdahhead (1618447) | about 9 months ago | (#44084639)

The damage has been done. Chasing him down and prosecuting him is just a waste of taxpayer resources, and likely won't prevent any more leaks anyway. The self-aggrandizing NSA hypocrites need to salvage their egos and move on.

He's still alive? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44084645)

When are we going to kill this douche bag?

How strange. (3, Interesting)

Darkness404 (1287218) | about 9 months ago | (#44084717)

How strange it is that Russia has become the bastion of human rights and the right to expose corruption. 30 years ago you'd be laughed out of a room if you'd suggest that 30 years later people would be fleeing the US for Russia and China for political freedoms and economic freedoms.

Times have sure changed.

Re:How strange. (3, Informative)

DarkOx (621550) | about 9 months ago | (#44084773)

How strange it is that Russia has become the bastion of human rights and the right to expose corruption.

I don't know what news you have been ready but this is hardly the case. The Russian government cracks down hard on anyone who does anything to embarrass it. If Snodew was a Russion who had leaked KGB info they'd go every bit as hard on him as are government has; and then not even consider stopping there.

No they see this as an opportunity to score diplomatic leverage of some kind, or maybe its just an ego thing for Putin to "Stick it to the man" who knows; in any case this is just an enemy of my enemy is a friend situation, nothing especially virtuous on the part of the Russians. Rainbows and moon beams have not suddenly replaced the usual shit from Vladamir's ass.

Re:How strange. (4, Informative)

Nidi62 (1525137) | about 9 months ago | (#44084777)

How strange it is that Russia has become the bastion of human rights and the right to expose corruption.

Tell that to Pussy Riot. I'm sure that will comfort them while they are either imprisoned in Russia or living elsewhere to avoid prosecution in Russia.

Re:How strange. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44084847)

Pussy Riot were a US aided front group.

Re:How strange. (3, Insightful)

Luckyo (1726890) | about 9 months ago | (#44084927)

I recommend actually looking hard and who you're defending. Pussy riot girls are epic level attention whores (literally) who have shot orgy porn while pregnant to "protest" the same issue a couple of years ago, among other similar stunts (you'll find photos of the orgy if you look, video is harder to come by).

No one cared about them until they busted into church and violated right to freedom of practicing religion without idiots disturbing them in their church. Rather strange, if they were nailed for political reasons rather then their actual stated crime, surely they would have been nailed much earlier, like when they were shooting the preggo porn orgy against Putin?

There are MANY groups of people in Russia who are worth defending for protecting rights of people. Pussy riot is not one of such groups. You should instead consider people who are trying to dig into human right abuses in Chechnya, journalists who investigate shady regional and federal ties and corruption and so on.

But instead, we (Westerners) are wasting our energy and efforts on a bunch of dumb attention whores who's main accomplishment is breaking into the church and interrupting orthodox service with risque acts. And at the same time, persecution people who are actually investigating real issues goes unnoticed.

Re:How strange. (3, Insightful)

Nidi62 (1525137) | about 9 months ago | (#44084971)

But instead, we (Westerners) are wasting our energy and efforts on a bunch of dumb attention whores who's main accomplishment is breaking into the church and interrupting orthodox service with risque acts. And at the same time, persecution people who are actually investigating real issues goes unnoticed.

So it's ok to persecute people because they are attention whores? The US puts up with attention whores (WBC), because they still have 1st Amendment rights. Russia is not much better now than it was when it was part of the USSR, and Putin is not so slowly and definitely surely taking them back that way. Calling Russia a "bastion of human rights" like the GP did is like calling Somalia a bastion of gun control.

Re:How strange. (2)

simonbp (412489) | about 9 months ago | (#44084811)

Wait, wait? How is Russia "a bastion of human rights"? Ever tried being supporting an opposition party there?

And what does this have to do with human rights? A US Government employee broke the law and shared information he wasn't supposed to. And now he's an attention whore traveling to world to keep his name in the news. If he really cared that it was "the right thing to do" he would turned himself in the day he released to keep the storm on PRISIM, not himself.

Re:How strange. (1)

DarkOx (621550) | about 9 months ago | (#44084879)

So its not good enough to risk your life and freedom blowing the whistle you have to voluntarily fall on your sword before its virtuous? Wow you have some high standards.

Re:How strange. (1)

bmo (77928) | about 9 months ago | (#44084895)

A US Government employee broke the law

When a law is unjust, you break it.

If he really cared that it was "the right thing to do" he would turned himself in the day he released to keep the storm on PRISIM, not himself.

That would be suicide.

  The US government is at war with the 4'th Amendment. Patton said "The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other guy die for his." A good soldier lives to fight another day.

--
BMO

Re:How strange. (1)

Luckyo (1726890) | about 9 months ago | (#44084939)

Turn himself in to the known torturers after he reveals that they have been lying to the world, their own people and breaking laws left and right?

I'm sorry, did you fall and hit your head recently?

Re:How strange. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44084861)

How strange it is that Russia has become the bastion of human rights and the right to expose corruption

Russia does not care about human rights, they do however hate the U.S.A and idealize the Sovjet Union. A traitor to the U.S. is unlikely to be abducted there - pissing of Putin still results in complete loss of freedom or death.

International No-Fly list (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44084723)

Then he's grounded.

He is not a whistleblower (-1, Troll)

DaveV1.0 (203135) | about 9 months ago | (#44084785)

You should learn the meaning of the term. He didn't expose criminal activity, waste, fraud, or abuse. He abused the trust his country put in him and his security clearance to take classified documents concerning secret programs which were authorized by and deemed legal by Congress and the court system, went to a foreign country with those documents, provided those documents and interviews about secret programs to a newspaper of the third country, and in the process damaged the national security, political capital, and reputation of his country. He has purposefully tried to damage the relationship and balance of power between his country and the country he fled to, a country known for launching cyber-attacks on his country, for his own gain. He stated that his country "was worth dying for", yet fled his country, provided the information to a news outlet in a foreign nation, and is seeking protection from other competitor nations to avoid prosecution.

His actions are not of a whistleblowing patriot. They are the actions of an arrogant, amateur, traitorous, free-lance espionage agent.

Re:He is not a whistleblower (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44084901)

.... seriously?

Re:He is not a whistleblower (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44084903)

I see you finished your kool-aid. Would you like some more?

Re:He is not a whistleblower (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44084909)

You are confused. Just because Congress authorized it doesn't make it legal. Coming to mind quickly is the McCain Feingold campaign finance reform (authorized by Congress), which has come to the Supreme Court three times and every time been ruled unconstitutional, hence illegal. The NSA spying is illegal according to the 4th amendment no matter what Congress says. If they don't like it, the way to make it legal is pass an amendment to repeal the 4th amendment, whcih they know won't be possible.

Snoden exposed illegal activity by the NSA, also exposing Congress "authroizing" illegal activity without worrying about consequences because they kept it hidden from the public. So in addition to exposing the illegal activity, he also exposed the illegal cover-up of the illegal activity.

He is the definition of a whistleblower, also showing that there are no whistleblower protections for citizens in the USA.

Re:He is not a whistleblower (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44084921)

And you would have sent people to the death camps in Nazi Germany because your government told you to. The government is always right.

Re:He is not a whistleblower (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44084991)

Being a naive idiot?

I can't let you do that Dave.

Stupid fucking site requires JS to view article (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44084917)

Full text below (copied from page source)

US whistle-blower Edward Snowden has left Hong Kong and is on a commercial flight to Russia, but Moscow will not be his final destination.

The fugitive whistle-blower boarded the Moscow-bound flight earlier on Sunday and would continue on to another country, possibly Cuba then Venezuela, according to media reports.

The Hong Kong government said [info.gov.hk] in a statement that Snowden had departed "on his own accord for a third country through a lawful and normal channel".

The 30-year-old left from Chep Lap Kok airport on a flight scheduled for 10.55am. He is believed to have boarded Aeroflot Flight SU213, which landed at Moscow’s Sheremetyevo International Airport at 5.03pm local time, according to the airport's website [svo.aero].

"Snowden left Hong Kong on his own will," a government source told the Post, adding that the Hong Kong government had not provided Snowden with any assistance or protection during his whole stay. The source dispelled media claims that the government had provided him a "safe house".

It was understood that Snowden's departure was a relief to the Hong Kong government, which had been making all legal preparation to deal with new developments regarding the case.

Regina Ip, former secretary of security, told the New York Times [nytimes.com]: "I think [the US] government will be upset for a while, but I hope that they will shrug it off, because our government acted in accordance with the law. Our government officials can breathe a sigh of relief."

Final destination?

Russian news agencies Interfax and Itar-Tass reported Snowden is booked on a flight from Moscow to Cuba on Monday. Itar-Tass said Snowden would fly from Havana to Caracas, Venezuela.

“A passenger under that name will arrive in Moscow from Hong Kong today on flight SU213, and tomorrow, on June 24, he will fly to Havana on flight SU150,” the state news agency ITAR-Tass quoted a source at the airline as saying. “Also tomorrow, he will go to Caracas from Havana on a local flight.”

There is no legal basis to restrict Mr Snowden from leaving Hong Kong

        --Hong Kong government

'No legal basis'

The Hong Kong government said it had notified the US government about Snowden's departure.

Snowden is wanted by the US government after he disclosed classified documents detailing the clandestine cybersnooping programmes carried out by Washington’s National Security Agency.

The US government on June 14 filed espionage and theft charges against the former CIA technician, and the US National Security Council confirmed that it had put in a formal extradition request to the Hong Kong government.

The Hong Kong government said on Sunday that it had requested more information so the Department of Justice could consider whether to go forward with the US extradition request.

“As the HKSAR government has yet to have sufficient information to process the request for provisional warrant of arrest, there is no legal basis to restrict Mr Snowden from leaving Hong Kong,” the statement said.

Later on Sunday, China's foreign ministry said [fmprc.gov.cn]: "The central government always respects the HKSAR government's handling of affairs in accordance with law."

WikiLeaks' role

WikiLeaks, whistle-blowing website founded by Julian Assange, said on Twitter [twitter.com] it had helped Snowdwn secure political asylum in a “democratic country”. It also said it had arranged his travel papers and "safe exit from Hong Kong".

Snowden "is bound for a democratic nation via a safe route for the purposes of asylum, and is being escorted by diplomats and legal advisors from WikiLeaks", the group said in a statement [wikileaks.org].

According to a Moscow-based reservations agent contacted by the New York Times [nytimes.com], Snowden is traveling with one other person, who was identified by only the last name Harrison. The companion is believed to be Sarah Harrison, a journalist and legal researcher for WikiLeaks and assistant to Assange.

WikiLeaks in a profile on Harrison [wikileaks.org] said she has "courageously assisted Mr Snowden with his lawful departure from Hong Kong and is accompanying Mr Snowden in his passage to safety".

Snowden "will be met by diplomats from the country that will be his ultimate destination", Assange told Australian media [smh.com.au] on Sunday. "Diplomats from that country will accompany him on a further flight to his destination."

It has been previously reported that Iceland or Ecuador were possible options for Snowden to seek political asylum.

US reaction

The US Justice Department said on Sunday that it would seek the co-operation of law enforcement authorities in countries where Edward Snowden may travel, Agence France-Presse reported.

Justice Department spokeswoman Nanda Chitre said the United States would "continue to discuss this matter with Hong Kong and pursue relevant law enforcement cooperation with other countries where Mr Snowden may be attempting to travel”.

Officials with US Secretary of State John Kerry, who arrived on his first official visit to India on Sunday, declined immediate comment on the news of Snowden's flight, AFP reported.

The Russian embassy in Beijing would neither confirm nor deny Snowden is on a flight to Moscow. The Russian consulate in Hong Kong declined to comment.

Russian President Vladimir Putin’s spokesman, Dmitry Peskov, said on Sunday that he was unaware of Snowden's location or plans, Reuters reported.

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