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Wikileaks Aiding Snowden - Chinese Social Media Divided - Relations Strained

samzenpus posted about a year ago | from the in-today's-smowden-news dept.

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cold fjord writes "Despite the US cancelling his passport, Edward Snowden continues his travels aided by Wikileaks, and is leaving a trail of strained diplomatic relations in his wake. It appears China gifted the issue to Russia. From Yahoo: 'Lawyer Albert Ho, ... a Hong Kong legislator ... told reporters he was approached by Snowden several days ago, and that the American had sought assurances ... whether he could leave the city freely if he chose to do so... Snowden later told Ho an individual claiming to represent the Hong Kong government had contacted him and indicated he should leave the city, and wouldn't be stopped ... Ho said he believed the middleman was acting on Beijing's orders.' From the NYT: Julian Assange, ...said in an interview ... 'that he had raised Mr. Snowden's case with Ecuador's government and that his group had helped arrange the travel documents.' From WSJ: 'Edward Snowden has generated more than a million posts on one of China's biggest social media platforms... Sina Weibo, a popular Chinese microblogging service, exploded with activity on Sunday as Mr. Snowden left ... Mr. Snowden was hailed as a hero ... last week, but posts on Sunday and Monday were divided... "All crows are black," said a number of users, citing an Chinese old saying, to describe both American and Chinese government's surveillance programs. ... "Snowden has helped China so much. Why did we let him go?" said one ... Some suggested that China should keep Mr. Snowden as a weapon against repeated accusations of China hacking U.S. companies. More extreme users complained that China is "too soft on the U.S." "Russia is a real strong country to accept him," ... Another popular term: "hot potato," reflecting relief that Hong Kong wouldn't have to stand against U.S. efforts to take him into custody. Some users criticized Mr. Snowden for fleeing.' From the Guardian: 'Snowden's escape from Hong Kong infuriated US politicians, while China focused on condemning Washington over his latest disclosures, which suggested the NSA had hacked into Chinese mobile phone companies ... Moscow was also drawn into the controversy after it emerged that Snowden's passport had been revoked before he left Hong Kong and he did not have a visa for Russia. But Russia appeared indifferent to the uproar, with one official saying Snowden was safe from the authorities as long as he remained in the transit lounge at the city's Sheremetyevo airport. Dmitry Peskov, spokesman for the Russian president, Vladimir Putin, said: "I know nothing."' From ABC: Snowden registered for the flight to Havana that leaves Moscow on Monday..."

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629 comments

Done us all a favor (5, Insightful)

Smivs (1197859) | about a year ago | (#44091313)

Snowden has alerted the whole World that our freedom is a sham, and that our governments treat our privacy with total contempt. I hope he survives this episode and will be seen in the future as somebody who did more for regular people than any politician.

Re:Done us all a favor (5, Insightful)

Dunbal (464142) | about a year ago | (#44091335)

No, he just alerted the US. We here in the rest of the world have known that American "freedom" is a sham for quite a while now.

Re:Done us all a favor (4, Insightful)

SirGarlon (845873) | about a year ago | (#44091397)

People say that all the time, but if you know of a country that offers citizens stronger assurances and greater practical liberties, we'd love to hear about it. (Preferably, those liberties should extend to immigrants as well as natives.)

Re:Done us all a favor (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44091433)

...just pick a random european country

Re:Done us all a favor (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44091479)

Burned, like the family pig.

Re:Done us all a favor (4, Interesting)

MaWeiTao (908546) | about a year ago | (#44091743)

If you actually lived in any random European country I doubt you'd be making that claim. I know quite a few people who DO live in a number of European countries and they'd disagree with you. Not that it's necessarily worse than the US, but it's definitely no better.

Re:Done us all a favor (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44091473)

People say that all the time, but if you know of a country that offers citizens stronger assurances and greater practical liberties, we'd love to hear about it.

Every country in Scandinavia. [wikipedia.org]

Re: Done us all a favor (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44091491)

Sure, but please define your "practical liberties" in more detail - some examples of what you mean?

Re: Done us all a favor (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44091585)

Presumably, the liberty to own guns, vote Republican and shoot black people.

Re:Done us all a favor (5, Insightful)

jbssm (961115) | about a year ago | (#44091515)

Err.. Netherlands? Switzerland? Norway? Finland? Iceland? Sweden? Denmark? Germany? France? Portugal? Slovenia? Ireland? Australia? New Zealand? Canada?

Re:Done us all a favor (1)

Inda (580031) | about a year ago | (#44091661)

I didn't see The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland on your list.

We're a shite country and we know it.

Re:Done us all a favor (3, Insightful)

ShanghaiBill (739463) | about a year ago | (#44091665)

Err.. Netherlands? Switzerland? Norway? Finland? Iceland? Sweden? Denmark? Germany? France? Portugal? Slovenia? Ireland? Australia? New Zealand? Canada?

Yes, all free ... unless your opinions on the history of WWII differ from the "official version". Or if you are muslim, and want to wear observant clothing. Or if you have a reason to defend yourself. Etc.

Re:Done us all a favor (3, Insightful)

ckhorne (940312) | about a year ago | (#44091711)

The question is... if these countries had the budget (err... were willing to put themselves into huge amounts of debt), would they eventually create the same programs as the US? In other words, are the freedoms a result of the will of the people or from more limited resources?

Re:Done us all a favor (4, Informative)

FriendlyLurker (50431) | about a year ago | (#44091747)

I see you left Britain off that list, as it should be. Even the majority of its press is cowed and subservient [guardian.co.uk] these days. Should probably strike off Australia as well it is well on the way down the slippery slope [slashdot.org] , NZ is on the knife edge... Oh, and forget Sweden while your at it - what a corrupt, shady country it has become [professorsblogg.com] .

Re:Done us all a favor (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44091755)

Portugal? With the current economical crisis he would be exported in trade for debt payment

Re:Done us all a favor (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44091531)

Yeah, the US has all kinds of cool rights, like the guarantees against unreasonable searches and seizures.

Re:Done us all a favor (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44091533)

> if you know of a country that offers citizens stronger assurances and greater practical liberties,

Modern governments like that of the US seem to have no problem _offering_ assurances of liberty, privacy, freedom of speech etc... it's actually following through on those promises that they seem to have trouble with. Can anybody here quote a line of the US constitution, magna carta, geneva convention or other "assurance" that _hasn't_ been comprehensively shat on by the governments of the ostensibly free world since the turn of the century?

Re:Done us all a favor (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44091539)

Wrong question. (As the U.S. Founding Fathers warned, all governments are likely to eventually be against their own people.) The question should be, "How can we improve our government so that it genuinely works for the interests of its own people, rather than for the elite few?"

i can list 15 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44091589)

the reason the usa is ranked 16th to liv ein the world is your human rights record is so abysmal that it drops you way down , the fact you have poor math and reading skills also contributes and lack of health care also.
9 of top ten nations to live in all have free health care or a strong variation of it.

Re:Done us all a favor (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44091603)

Have you ever heard of Europe? Iceland,Norway,Sweden(?)....and a lot of others...yes USA it's that bad!
The fact is that government propaganda spread so well inside its borders and Americans like it so much, that to American citizens eyes seem to be a very nice country to live in!
BTW I'm assuming that the fact you have a drone over your head without you noticing, doesn't count as "citizens stronger assurance".

list (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44091645)

norway
finland
sweden
denmark
switzerland
canada

all rank far above the usa....
for living and rights

Re:Done us all a favor (1)

Dunbal (464142) | about a year ago | (#44091741)

Assurances of liberty? None. Actual, real, liberty? There are plenty of countries. One does not speak so much of freedom as in a place where it has ceased to exist.

Re:Done us all a favor (1)

ciderbrew (1860166) | about a year ago | (#44091427)

Shhhhh ...They don't know the patriot act is the biggest win the Taliban could have hoped for. "NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM"

Re:Done us all a favor (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44091431)

Ion Storm "did more for regular people than any politician" by giving us Deus Ex.

  - Andrew

How is it okay if he's helping foreign governments (0)

elucido (870205) | about a year ago | (#44091445)

Do you think they'll protect him for free? Are you this naive? Do you think they won't interrogate him and offer him protection in exchange for his knowledge and support?

Whatever classified documents he had, they now have. It means they can now build what the US built in their countries to crack down on their activists. If he destroyed the documents (that would be the responsible thing to do) then they'll get as much out of him as he can remember which still could be a lot of information. They want him for his brain and they want his secrets, they aren't protecting him out of some human rights or civil rights bs.

He's not in Iceland, he's on his way to Cuba. Think carefully about where he is going and tell me do you honestly believe they will respect his human rights or anyones? They will treat him like a hero as long as he's giving them information which can help them adjust or improve their own operations. They'll also be tipped off about US operations which would put US operations and of course US assets / troops at risk.

Was he lying about knowing the missions and identities of assets and operations? If he was not lying about this then all of those lives and operations could be put at risk. Snowden will be used as a weapon not just against the NSA and US government but against US troops and even civilians such as rebels fighting in civil wars funded by the US who don't even know how the Snowden case will affect their effort.

A hero protects lives, I fail to see how Snowden can be a hero if he's in custody of the SVR or whatever foreign intelligence has him. What could he be telling them as we speak? He may not have told them everything yet but it's only a matter of time before he tells them everything he knows because he's not going to be given an option not to. So let's hope he doesn't know half the shit he claimed to know in that interview.

Re:How is it okay if he's helping foreign governme (1)

xelah (176252) | about a year ago | (#44091671)

I'm sure the local intelligence services would be interested in speaking to him, but I think it's much more likely governments will consider what they always consider first with any sort of newsworthy foreign policy: domestic politics. There are places where pissing off the US and standing up to US government power will go down very well with the voters, especially in places where it fits with the governing party's narrative.

Re:How is it okay if he's helping foreign governme (4, Insightful)

Smivs (1197859) | about a year ago | (#44091697)

No, they won't 'keep him for free', but will gladly offer him sanctaury, particularly as his presence there is going to be a constant source of annoyance to the US, a country they dislike and distrust.
And no, I don't think I'm naive.
Snowden has let us all see that none of our data or online activity is remotely private and that our information is everything and everywhere. Because various governments share intelligence, it means for example that a UK citizen (whose data is sort of 'legally protected' from UK surveillance agencies) could find his data being forwarded to him by say the US government. Because shared intelligence from a foreign source is not subject to the level of legal scrutiny and constraint as information gathered by UK sources, it could immediately become more accessable to UK agencies. And this works the other way round. It means that safeguards put in place to 'protect' a country's own citizens can be more easily circumvented.

Re:How is it okay if he's helping foreign governme (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44091703)

Details of *domestic* spying will put no US asset at risk. Except maybe a few server farms and ISP links?

Re:How is it okay if he's helping foreign governme (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44091737)

He would not be in the position of having to hand out secrets to secure his own safety if the US government had been about to arrest him as a traitor.

Can you blame the man for running if his choices are likely to be a sealed sham trial and prison or execution vs skipping out and betraying the people who betrayed him?

He's no more of a hero than... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44091319)

Robert Hanssen or Aldrich Ames.

He has more than likely handed a similar amount of highly classified material to the Russian and Chinese intelligence services, wittingly or otherwise. At least Ames and Hanssen made a ton of money out of their exploits.

Re:He's no more of a hero than... (5, Insightful)

TWiTfan (2887093) | about a year ago | (#44091579)

Hanssen and Ames were handing over things like troop strength, locations of CIA operatives, etc. to the Soviets for cash. They weren't blowing the whistle to the press on an illegal internal spying program. Pretty big difference there.

Re:He's no more of a hero than... (1, Troll)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | about a year ago | (#44091607)

more than likely

And you're "more than likely" paid by the US government to write this stuff. Now prove me that I'm wrong.

This is the situation where weasel words come in very handy.

Focus on the NSA (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44091325)

I wish they'd go after the NSA with as much fervor. But I guess it's easier to punish an individual.

Also.. With America 'not prying into the lives of it's own citizens', and the UK doing pretty much the same. Doesn't anybody see that they can 'share intelligence' and get the whole picture without having to break the rules?

UK: Oops, seem I picked up all of the emails any US citizen ever send in my spying bureau. Here you go US, a copy. Do you have the copy of all the UK people's communication with you?

Again, the witch hunt after Snowden is just to distract from the main issues.

Yes, but what we all need to know... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44091327)

Seriously, what did he have for lunch? How are his bowel movements?! We need to know!

first? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44091333)

First snow(den)!!!

Trolling, unfortunately (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44091339)

At least some countries still stand for liberty.

Re:Trolling, unfortunately (1)

Salgak1 (20136) | about a year ago | (#44091423)

At least some countries still stand for liberty.

And which would those be ? I can't seem to find **ONE**. . .

OMGOMGoMGOMGOMG (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44091343)

FRIST! 1110101010101010111111 squee

Latest new last on slashdot (1)

fredan (54788) | about a year ago | (#44091357)

Snowden is not on the plane to cuba.

Re:Latest new last on slashdot (4, Informative)

cold fjord (826450) | about a year ago | (#44091453)

Edward Snowden is in the possession of foreign int (1, Insightful)

elucido (870205) | about a year ago | (#44091359)

And this means any secrets he may know about anything will be handed over to them. At this point he is headed to Cuba where he can give whatever Top Secret information he can to the Cubans. How can anyone see him as a hero if he's helping a government recognized as a dictatorship to build up it's spy machine capabilities, to defeat US spy machine capabilities, or both?

What impact will his knowledge have on Syrian rebel forces? What impact will his knowledge have on troops? Does he know troop positions? Whatever he knows the US government must now assume they know. I just hope not too many innocent civilians get hurt from Snowdens decisions.

Re:Edward Snowden is in the possession of foreign (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44091475)

You seem to presume a lot, and based on what? What evidence do you have that he will give everything to the Cubans?

Just dumping it all out is stupid. Even an intelligent sociopath won't do that but instead use the information as bargaining chips.

I could also make similar remarks as yours and ask "who is paying you to make posts like these?".

Re:Edward Snowden is in the possession of foreign (1)

elucido (870205) | about a year ago | (#44091493)

You seem to presume a lot, and based on what? What evidence do you have that he will give everything to the Cubans?

Just dumping it all out is stupid. Even an intelligent sociopath won't do that but instead use the information as bargaining chips.

I could also make similar remarks as yours and ask "who is paying you to make posts like these?".

You act as if he's the one in control of his fate.

Re:Edward Snowden is in the possession of foreign (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44091525)

for fucks sake he is a sysadmin that came across some power point slides not james fucking bond

Re:Edward Snowden is in the possession of foreign (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44091591)

I'm going to just assume you're a spin doctor, as otherwise i'd have to be rude and assume you are an idiot.

a) Snowden did not board the plane to cuba
b) anyone who considers cuba since the soviet union fell apart a threat to america is a moron.
c) nothing snowden could have known about troop positions or other such actions or involvement would have been left the same from shortly after the second he leaked his name. This is assuming he even had such knowledge, given his position his access would have been fairly general and non-specific as far as military matters are concerned.

Re:Edward Snowden is in the possession of foreign (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44091615)

Uh... most likely none, none, and no? Snowden knew, and revealed, what the US government was up to, their methods and scope. There's no indication that he knows the contents of the intelligence, and given that he was not an analyst, I doubt he really knows any of it. Now it's reasonable to think that his revelations might be able to help foreign governments harden their security against US spying, but so would say, publishing a paper on crypto.

Can we donate BITCOINS? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44091617)

"And this means any secrets he may know about anything will be handed over to them."

And those secrets would be?... I mean what else is the NSA doing that's no legal? I can see from the Boundless Informant leak, that they collected 3 billion US intercepts in March alone, and I can see that *didn't* include FISA court ones, because Boundless Informant didn't cover the FISA ones (see the FAQ with that leak).
So we haven't heard the full story here.

What was it? IRS data they grabbed? US Credit Cards? Ticket data? Political data? Faces of protestors? Commercial data? What?!

Also does anyone know his Bitcoin address so we can donate some California certified cash?

Re:Edward Snowden is in the possession of foreign (4, Insightful)

TWiTfan (2887093) | about a year ago | (#44091637)

Exactly what country do you expect him to go to? There are only about 5-6 countries in the world that aren't the total lapdogs of the U.S. government (or at least in bed with them). That doesn't exactly leave him a lot of options if he wants to remain free and not have all his (very important) information just buried again.

Catch Me If You Can - The Remake (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44091367)

Catch Me If You Can - The Remake, staring Edward Snowden as Frank Abagnale Jr., Barack Obama as Carl Hanratty and Christopher Walken as Frank Abagnale.

hope it was worth it (3, Funny)

alen (225700) | about a year ago | (#44091387)

29yo SWM seeking girl for serious relationship

no high school diploma
walked away from a job with one of the world's premier consulting companies
being charged for espionage by the US Government and can never return to the USA
may spend the rest of his life in jail
on the run
living on handouts from foreign governments

i'm sure the girls are backstabbing each other to get to him

Re:hope it was worth it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44091467)

walked away from a job with one of the world's premier consulting companies

LOL WUT!?! Booze Allen employee are ya? Sure, wear a suit and tie, that shows that you do quality work as opposed to those kids in T-shirts.

Re:hope it was worth it (1)

Advocatus Diaboli (1627651) | about a year ago | (#44091471)

Women prefer dangerous guys over milquetoast ones.

Re:hope it was worth it (1)

mozumder (178398) | about a year ago | (#44091557)

Women prefer dangerous guys over milquetoast ones.

Women prefer rich guys.

Re:hope it was worth it (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44091575)

Girls not women. Women have grown up.

Re:hope it was worth it (1)

jbssm (961115) | about a year ago | (#44091535)

What a sad way you have to think about human achievements...

Re:hope it was worth it (3, Insightful)

gl4ss (559668) | about a year ago | (#44091577)

many chicks would fuck dudes who are "living on handouts from foreign governments".
and on the newspapers. hell, some chicks marry ugly psychopaths who are jailed in the US...

anyhow, if he had been a dude with nothing to lose, he would seem more like an eeeeeviiiiil communist spy.

Re:hope it was worth it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44091583)

Actually, I'm pretty sure there is mountain of chicks all around the world that want to fuck him. You wouldn't believe what fame and hero status does with women.

Re:hope it was worth it (1)

udachny (2454394) | about a year ago | (#44091649)

That would be funny if not for the very last sentence, which tells me you are not actually joking.

I guess you think that in the modern era pussy is the equivalent of 30 pieces of silver. By the way, you can buy more than one pussy for that much money today, and if a girlfriend is out of question (and I doubt that) then they are not worth more than a few bucks anyway.

But I am pretty convinced that this is only a problem in your head, which only tells us something about you and nothing else.

Snowdon is not on the plane to Havana (1, Informative)

xaxa (988988) | about a year ago | (#44091399)

According to the Guardian [guardian.co.uk] , Snowdon is not on the plane to Havana.

Re:Snowdon is not on the plane to Havana (1)

elucido (870205) | about a year ago | (#44091573)

According to the Guardian [guardian.co.uk] , Snowdon is not on the plane to Havana.

Snowden has ties with the Guardian.

Re:Snowdon is not on the plane to Havana (4, Interesting)

surmak (1238244) | about a year ago | (#44091621)

Not surprising at all. The flighpath from Moscow to Havana goes over Western Europe, and I would not be surprised if the plane would be unable to get the airspace clearance to complete its planned flight. Another risk is that the plane may be forced to make an unscheduled landing in a country that has a better extradition relationship with that US than China or Russia does.

PRISM companies should declare their hand (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44091401)

Google (and Yahoo, Microsoft, Apple, Facebook, Dropbox) may not have been "evil" in following the (admittedly secret) court orders of the government. But Google to live up to its claims of "don't be evil" -- if it wants to show even a tiny bit of contrition -- by publicly stating that they believe that Snowden did a heroic act in opening up to public discourse the existence of secret court orders not merely compelling the company to hand over information, but preventing the companies concerned from exercising their first amendment rights to free speech by revealing the orders.

Then they can fund a small legal defense for Snowden from their enormous budgets. They can even justify it to their shareholders as a small speculative investment in order to overturn PRISM and thereby stop the (I'm guessing) non-insubstantial budget they currently spend on fulfilling the PRISM requests.

Actions count more than words.

What people dont know WILL HURT THEM (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44091403)

A) in april obama secretly signed an agreement to penalize whistleblowers even worse then previous all while later saying he was going ot help them ....
B) since that signing he has also arrested 6-8 more people

NOW are you gonna hang around that stupid nation while they pull nazi shit like this....
C) if you htink its not bad iup in canada the information services has grown 15% to almost 4000 people thats 8 times more then nazis had for propaganda in world war 2

ALL OF THIS IS GETTING OUT OF HAND AND UNLESS EVERYONE WAKES THE FUCK UP AND DOES SOMETHING REAL INA STREET IT WONT END.

Why the fuck did my grand father fight the nazis to save a few jews is that all? NO REALLY so these same jews with there buddies can turn our lives into nazi germany with all the bells and whistles of no rights.

Further Developments... (2)

mitcheli (894743) | about a year ago | (#44091411)

Hope he speaks Russian. [yahoo.com] Seems that his stay in Russia may have inexplicably been extended if this news report is correct.

He's probably being interrogated right now (1)

elucido (870205) | about a year ago | (#44091587)

And the Russians have the ability to get every secret out of him and because of what he said in the interview they have every reason to want to.

We should go get him (0, Troll)

onyxruby (118189) | about a year ago | (#44091421)

The man is a traitor and an attention whore trying to inflict maximum damage on his country. If he were honestly a simple consciousness objector as claimed he would have never fled to begin with.

History has a proud tradition of actual consciousness objectors willingly going to prison when they feel they need to make a point and stand up for something. More than a few such objectors later became judged by history as heroes (MLK etc).

Re:We should go get him (3, Insightful)

Vinegar Joe (998110) | about a year ago | (#44091457)

Never been in a prison, have you? I worked in one when I was in grad school. It's not as "romantic" as you think. Or in ways you might enjoy.

Re:We should go get him (5, Insightful)

elucido (870205) | about a year ago | (#44091559)

Never been in a prison, have you? I worked in one when I was in grad school. It's not as "romantic" as you think. Or in ways you might enjoy.

Snowden already is in a prisoners position. He's now the property of whatever foreign intelligence agency is protecting him and they don't have to respect his human rights. They are nice to him because he's giving them what they want. Do you really believe he's being protected out of government kindness?

Re:We should go get him (2, Insightful)

misexistentialist (1537887) | about a year ago | (#44091745)

the property of whatever foreign intelligence agency is protecting him and they don't have to respect his human rights.

So...the same as us, but with some perks thrown in.

Re:We should go get him (-1, Troll)

elucido (870205) | about a year ago | (#44091543)

The man is a traitor and an attention whore trying to inflict maximum damage on his country. If he were honestly a simple consciousness objector as claimed he would have never fled to begin with.

History has a proud tradition of actual consciousness objectors willingly going to prison when they feel they need to make a point and stand up for something. More than a few such objectors later became judged by history as heroes (MLK etc).

I agree with you. If you truly feel you're doing something which is in the best interest of your country and or the world then you should be prepared to go to prison. Snowden would rather basically snitch out all his people and his entire country than go to prison. He might have got 10 years, now he's never going to be able to return to the US and will be made to fight against the US troops by foreign intelligence. He was a former soldier himself so that makes his actions particularly bad.

I think he's unwitting, because he believes what he's doing is morally right. He's brainwashed into believing he's on the right side while he helps other governments gain the ability to do what the US government does because he's giving them the knowledge to do it. The fact that he's now their possession means he can't stop them from getting every bit of knowledge he has.

Re:We should go get him (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44091629)

You seem to be trying to lay down the soundbites with a trowel there buddy.

snitch out all his people and his entire country

the only people he has "snitched out" are those in power who are working against the people and the values of the entire country.

Re:We should go get him (1)

jbssm (961115) | about a year ago | (#44091669)

I agree with you. If you truly feel you're doing something which is in the best interest of your country and or the world then you should be prepared to go to prison.

Seems reasonable. Tomorrow morning, when you wake up and say goodbye to your kids before going to work, please let them know that "papa may not be coming home because we does something good for your country and the world, and as such he may be locked in jail forever right this afternoon" or else you can tell them "see you home later for dinner because I have a shitty, non-important job that doesn't really add anything to society so you don't need to fear for my security".

Nice country you live in btw.

Re:We should go get him (1)

quonsar (61695) | about a year ago | (#44091613)

what does an objection to consciousness look like, a coma?

Re:We should go get him (2)

jbssm (961115) | about a year ago | (#44091623)

Perhaps he didn't want to spend his life in jail and later be hailed as an hero. Perhaps he just wanted that - you for instance - and your compatriots where not so ignorant and understand that he is already one and actually stand up and raised your/their voice for him - like you should have done - instead of bashing his name.

Re:We should go get him (5, Insightful)

Anubis IV (1279820) | about a year ago | (#44091641)

There's nothing saying that a conscientious objector can't look out for their own well-being while also serving the good of the public at large. And the claims he has made to date have been specific accusations based on specific evidence for which he has a reasonable belief that making them public will help to avert problems that will affect the public, which is exactly how proper whistle-blowing should be done.

You're asking him to fall on his own sword after realizing the issues with the organizations he was in, which is entirely unreasonable.

Re:We should go get him (2)

TWiTfan (2887093) | about a year ago | (#44091673)

If he had just wanted to "inflict maximum damage on his country" he could have just posted all his intelligence data to Wikileaks instead of vetting it through a responsible newspaper.

Re:We should go get him (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44091719)

So basically, you're saying he should get himself shot because he believes mass survaillance is wrong, and that not being willing to get shot makes him a criminal? Do you really think MLK wanted to get shot?

Vietnam (3, Interesting)

PGillingwater (72739) | about a year ago | (#44091435)

My guess: he's off to Vietnam, where he will join the entourage of the Ecuadorian foreign minister for the return to Quito this week.

Re:Vietnam (0)

Anubis IV (1279820) | about a year ago | (#44091667)

That'd be a good guess, if it wasn't already public knowledge that he's going to Havana. They even mentioned it in the summary above and had the text saying so highlighted as a link.

Re:Vietnam (1)

Anubis IV (1279820) | about a year ago | (#44091689)

I take back what I said. It would appear the summary's been proven wrong, based on later information that has come out.

*sigh* (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44091443)

I'd have a much easier time seeing him as a hero if he wasn't giving said secrets to governments that are far more oppressive than the US. While the US may trample on liberty via official political channels, Cuba, Russia and China trample on liberties by imprisoning or killing. He is hardly doing anything noble here. He could just as easily have outed the US Gov without distributing secret collateral to foreign governments. His actions are non sequitur.

Re:*sigh* (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44091567)

His actions are non sequitur.

Don't use terms if you don't know what they mean.

He revealed injustices being committed by the US government; that's more than good enough for me. The US might not be the worst country, but it is the country I live in, so of course we're going to focus on it more than other countries.

Anti-Citizen One (5, Funny)

Advocatus Diaboli (1627651) | about a year ago | (#44091461)

I would like to point out that Edward Snowden not only has a physical resemblance to the' Gordon Freeman' character in the Half-Life Game Series, but has effectively become 'Anti-Citizen One'- in real life.

Re:Anti-Citizen One (4, Funny)

mitcheli (894743) | about a year ago | (#44091509)

Yeah, but I doubt he can respawn if he's shot.

All governments are failing at trust (1)

udachny (2454394) | about a year ago | (#44091511)

All governments of the world are failing at holding on to trust of whoever was still gullible enough to trust them (and I include citizens of respective countries).

Snowden must be helped but he will not be helped by governments. He must be helped by individuals. Only individuals acting on their own moral code can help Snowden, all governments will fail at this and I mean every one of them.

Re:All governments are failing at trust (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44091731)

Only individuals acting on their own moral code can help

I agree comrade! So when are YOU going to put down your own money and/or life on the line to help your fellow individuals around the world?

It's clear that the socialist groupthink mob that is slashdot is not the best place for you to help individuals. Look at your karma, look at your limited posting privileges. You need to get out there (again, one your own dime, as you are no leech, no sir)

With your wisdom and principles, I think you'd be a great general of the revolution. So when are you going to fund that private mercenary army of yours to fight the various governments of the world? I know you're not a man of violence, but if the governments of the world are as evil and violent-loving as you keep telling us, they will come at us with violence, and so you will need that army. I'd do it myself, but unfortunately, me (and most individuals) just aren't as rich or smart or principled as you are.

Funny how little help the US Government is getting (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44091547)

Seeing all the implicit (eyes being turned) and explicit (ecuador, wikileaks, others) help he's getting, one could almost get the impression that the US Government (not people) is seriously unpopular around the world.

And getting revenge on a bully is always particularly sweet.

Re:Funny how little help the US Government is gett (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44091735)

Or perhaps the people of the world don't like getting spied on, and are willing to look the other way if the man who notified them is passing through.

holy pregnant pauses batman (4, Funny)

nimbius (983462) | about a year ago | (#44091563)

Dmitry Peskov, spokesman for the Russian president, Vladimir Putin, said: "I know nothing."'

Who wrote this, summary William, Shatner?

Re:holy pregnant pauses batman (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44091739)

No, it was Manuel.

Vladimir Putin, said: "I know nothing."' (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44091593)

Do you know who else liked to say, "I know nothing"?

http://im0n.clkimg.com/i/gl/281/281726.jpg

Live updates at the Pirate Times (5, Informative)

De Lemming (227104) | about a year ago | (#44091601)

This page [piratetimes.net] at the Pirate Times provides live updates.

Last two updates at the moment:

14:45 (CEST) Ecuadorian Ambassador in Vietnam states confirms that Edward Snowden has requested asylum and mentions that the USA often refused to extradite criminals including bankers.

13:10 (CEST) A plane bound for Cuba with a booking for Snowden and another person has left Moscow but with Ed Snowden apparently not on board according to Russian Television English Service [rt.com]

Passports and Visas (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44091643)

Is it just the USA that doesn't understand the traditional use of Passports and Visas?

A Visa was only required to 'Enter' the destination country. As Snowden was never going to enter Russia (transit lounges are no-mans land) he didn't need one. No reason to prevent him flying to Russia.

A Passport should not be needed to leave a country. Afterall, you are LEAVING, what cause to stop you?
On arrival in Russa, he's not entering the country, therefore no need for a Passport again.

I'm not aware of any other country that has destroyed the free travel rights of people as much as the US. Even to fly from Canada to Cuba the US has the 'aquired' the right to deny you flights, because it's close enough to their airspace. And as the airlines are so terrified of loosing landing rights to US international airports they comply.

hypocrisy of the american public (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44091647)

This is a country, where a significant percentage of the population thought that Saddam Hussein was partially responsible for September 11th. Where a justification for being in Iraq, was to fight terrorists in Iraq, instead of in America. In America, where HALF!!! the population has a Facebook account. In America, where most shoppers use 'reward cards', that tracking customer spending.

Now, when it is revealed that NSA is wholesale, and secretly, spying on the American public to hinder terrorists, there is an outrage? Americans willing gave up their privacy to big business a long time ago. They don't deserve privacy from the people that are fighting the giant war on terrorism. Senators on the Intelligence committee were aware of the extent of NSA spying. Of course the spying is kept secret from the general public. If terrorists were aware of the spying, they'd be even more careful. al qaeda members are very careful. Osama bin laden stopped using his satellite phone, when the New York Times revealed that the NSA has tapping Osama's satellite phone. The leaker thought he knew better than the Senators on the intelligence committee what choices the American people have made, and he deserves to die.

Safe only for a little while (5, Interesting)

sageres (561626) | about a year ago | (#44091677)

It is my personal opinion that Snowden (and even Assange) will only be safe as long as Correa is in power in Quinto.
But as a history of Equador (and frankly entire Latin America) predicts from the past -- it will not be too long before the power will change due to hunta (as 1972-1979), or removal from the office (like Abdalá Bucaram) or a continues power struggle (Rosalía Arteaga / Fabián Alarcón).
Either way, Equadorian history predicts that the next government will be pro-American.

F16s NO-FLY ZONE OVER CUBA !! TAKE THE MOTHERFUCK (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44091685)

Out !! What is Cuba going to do ?? Launch a few 1955 Bel Air missiles ??

I stopped caring (1)

ledow (319597) | about a year ago | (#44091715)

This is a US problem. I stopped caring about a week ago. If he's broke the law, issue an international arrest warrant. If he hasn't, don't.

And that's quite possibly the worst /. summary I've ever seen in that it would take me about 5 readings to even get the gist of what you are trying to convey. Quotes should be minimal, pertinent, and not obscure the actual fact of the matter, and summaries should be short, enticing, easy-to-read statings of the matter and (maybe) a small, relevant quote or two at most.

Any particular reason (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44091725)

you called it "aiding", not "helping"?

Teaching English and computer science in Russia (1)

Max_W (812974) | about a year ago | (#44091727)

The US security services eavesdrop using computers. What a secret!

On the other hand, a native English speaker and in addition a computer engineer could be very useful in the Russian educational system.

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