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iFixit Giving Away 1,776 "iPhone Liberation Kits"

samzenpus posted about a year ago | from the fix-it-yourself dept.

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netbuzz writes "In a clever bit of self-promotion, the do-it-yourself repair evangelists at iFixit announced today that they will be giving away 1,776 free 'iPhone liberation kits' that will allow Apple customers access to the inner workings of their devices by replacing the difficult-to-remove pentalobe screws with standard Phillips screws. 'Get a free insurance policy,' iFixit says. 'In the unfortunate event that your iPhone needs repair, you will be set to make any necessary fix. For situations when you need to get the battery out of your iPhone as quickly as possible—such as after dropping the device into water—you will be ready.'"

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260 comments

Repeat (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44094159)

Repeat

Cocks (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44094187)

Cocks

Or vagina (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44094249)

Or vagina

why replace once you have the screwdriver? (4, Insightful)

Trepidity (597) | about a year ago | (#44094191)

I agree it's annoying that the screws are a nonstandard kind. But this "liberation kit" consists of:

1. A pentalobe screwdriver that lets you operate the iPhone screws.

2. Some Philips head screws that you can replace the pentalobe screws with.

But once you have #1, why do you need to do #2?

Re:why replace once you have the screwdriver? (3, Informative)

dwightk (415372) | about a year ago | (#44094203)

then you don't have to keep the screwdriver with you

Re:why replace once you have the screwdriver? (5, Insightful)

idontgno (624372) | about a year ago | (#44094229)

Indeed.

If you've been handcuffed and finally get the keys, why would you put the cuffs back on, even if you still have the keys? Throw away those shackles.

Re:why replace once you have the screwdriver? (4, Interesting)

Trepidity (597) | about a year ago | (#44094291)

But you're still putting some cuffs back on! Just different cuffs that use a different key. I'll admit it's a key that more people own, so it could be useful to e.g. open the phone at a friend's house.

Re:why replace once you have the screwdriver? (1)

icebike (68054) | about a year ago | (#44094659)

The you can find drivers for the replacement screws at any hardware store or even Walmart, and any computer geek already has a set.

If handcuff keys were that easy to come by nobody would bother using cuffs, they'd just use zipties.

Re:why replace once you have the screwdriver? (4, Insightful)

BasilBrush (643681) | about a year ago | (#44094313)

Because phillips heads are easily damaged when screwing and unscrewing them. And pentalobe aren't.

If you think that screws using a better but less popular standard are "handcuffs", then you're a bit of a drama queen.

Re:why replace once you have the screwdriver? (2)

Jaime2 (824950) | about a year ago | (#44094533)

We already have Torx for that.

Re:why replace once you have the screwdriver? (5, Funny)

Capt.DrumkenBum (1173011) | about a year ago | (#44094701)

Torx is NOT better.
If I ever find the bastard that decided that it was a good idea to use Torx on my Jeep I will beat him to death with a sack full of the Torx bolts I have broken or stripped over the years.
If there is even one Jeep Wrangler owner on the jury I will get away with it too. Followed by a parade in my honour.

Re:why replace once you have the screwdriver? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44094929)

So you would rather have Pentalobe bolts on your Jeep? You think that wouldn't strip just as easy as Torx? Putting Trox bolts on a car may be braindead stupid but it doesn't make it crap for it's intended use.

Re:why replace once you have the screwdriver? (1)

iamgnat (1015755) | about a year ago | (#44094963)

I'll vote to acquit you only if you take out the bastard that thought the "triple square" was an improvement. I have Torx bits coming out of my ass, but no my new car needs a triple square to pull the seats out. You know what those extra teeth buy you? Even more stripped bolts than Torx does!

Is a good dead common hex bolt really too difficult?

Re:why replace once you have the screwdriver? (4, Insightful)

ArcadeMan (2766669) | about a year ago | (#44095023)

Nothing beats Robertson drive.

Re:why replace once you have the screwdriver? (2)

danlip (737336) | about a year ago | (#44094995)

I don't know what you are doing, and I am not familiar with Jeeps, but I have never stripped a torx and I have stripped hundreds of phillips heads. I would outlaw phillips heads if I could.

Re:why replace once you have the screwdriver? (1)

interval1066 (668936) | about a year ago | (#44095101)

Wranglers have torx screws? Where? I want a wrangler. Don't like surprises.

Re:why replace once you have the screwdriver? (2, Insightful)

icebike (68054) | about a year ago | (#44094675)

Because phillips heads are easily damaged when screwing and unscrewing them. And pentalobe aren't.

If you think that screws using a better but less popular standard are "handcuffs", then you're a bit of a drama queen.

And if you think Apple chose pentalobe because Phillips was easily damaged, you are delusional.

Re:why replace once you have the screwdriver? (1, Interesting)

BasilBrush (643681) | about a year ago | (#44094809)

Straw man.

Re:why replace once you have the screwdriver? (4, Insightful)

BitZtream (692029) | about a year ago | (#44094987)

Right, because switching to pentalobe stopped how many people from taking apart an iPhone?

Let me answer for you:

0, zero, zilch, nada, not a fucking single person who WANTED to disassemble their iPhone was stopped by this change.

Contrary to whatever silly fantasy world you live in, 99.9999% of the population DOES NOT GIVE A SHIT ABOUT DISASSEMBLING THEIR PHONE. They just use the damn thing.

If you think Apple chose pentalobe (which has been a standard screw type available my entire life) to stop people from opening up their case to replace the soldered in battery, you're just a moron.

ProTip: I have pentalobe drivers from my father that are older than I am. They are not uncommon in older high end cameras where you need tiny screws that don't strip when you breath on them hard.

Phillips is designed for low quality, high volume assembly line work. Read that over and over again until you understand why apple doesn't use them anymore, on anything.

Oh, and my local Ace Hardware carries a pentalobe driver set, seems like they would have picked an obscure head rather than something I can pickup tools for at the hardware store down the street ... don't you think?

Re:why replace once you have the screwdriver? (1)

DutchUncle (826473) | about a year ago | (#44095255)

Phillips was not designed for low quality. It was designed to cam-out the driver rather than strip the screw threads. Stripping the head is an accidental byproduct.

Re:why replace once you have the screwdriver? (2)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about a year ago | (#44094807)

Because phillips heads are easily damaged when screwing and unscrewing them.

Probably because you're using the wrong size bit for the job.

Or, the little bugger is so rust-caked that it has become one with the surface it fastens to. In which case, it doesn't really matter what kind of bit you use (unless it's an Easy-Out).

Re:why replace once you have the screwdriver? (1)

retchdog (1319261) | about a year ago | (#44095041)

be that as it may, phillips was designed to cam-out to prevent damage from over-tightening, which is idiotic for most of its current applications.

the only reason other screw designs aren't more common is because they were patented (and sometimes marginally more expensive to produce).

Re:why replace once you have the screwdriver? (1)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about a year ago | (#44095213)

be that as it may, phillips was designed to cam-out to prevent damage from over-tightening, which is idiotic for most of its current applications.

What's idiotic - over tightening the screws on a delicate electronic device, or using 'moron-resistant' screws that are designed to prevent people from over tightening fasteners (which, in the case of delicate electronics, tends to have a "shit I broke it" effect)?

the only reason other screw designs aren't more common is because they were patented (and sometimes marginally more expensive to produce).

Irrelevant.

Re:why replace once you have the screwdriver? (1)

BasilBrush (643681) | about a year ago | (#44095047)

Probably because you're using the wrong size bit for the job.

No, it's because Phillips are designed to cam out, but it's a bad design because doing so damages the head. That's why there have been so many replacement designs, from Posidriv on.

Phillips screws are suitable for things that are screwed together once, and are never intended to be unscrewed again. Anything beyond that risks a stuck screw because the head's been stripped.

Or, the little bugger is so rust-caked that it has become one with the surface it fastens to.

Sure it does. The more torque you can apply without stripping the head, the more likely you are to dislodge the rust. You're far more likely to be able to remove a Torx or Allen screw for example than a Phillips screw.

Re:why replace once you have the screwdriver? (1)

sl4shd0rk (755837) | about a year ago | (#44094827)

Because phillips heads are easily damaged when screwing and unscrewing them. And pentalobe aren't.

Apple couldn't have used a Torx screw to hold things together? They seems to be good enough for all those tiny screws in everyone's hard drive.

Re:why replace once you have the screwdriver? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44095105)

Phillips screws are designed to cam-out to prevent over torquing. This mechanism isn't necessary or appropriate on small electronics with tiny screws.
The Torx mechanism does not work well with very tiny srews. The wing/ribs on the head and driver become too fragile at that size. Its too easy to strip your driver and your head.

Pentalobe won't cam out, and works at very tiny sizes.

Despite your prejudice, Apple usually has a very good reason for doing anything. You may not agree with their reasons, but they are never vindictive or arbitrary.

Re:why replace once you have the screwdriver? (0)

interval1066 (668936) | about a year ago | (#44095091)

...you're a bit of a drama queen.

Hardly. The most likely outcome of purchasing the kit is that once you do the conversion you'll never touch the screwdriver again. Ever. Apple made this arraingment for the sole purpose of making it difficult for users to service their own hardware and "encourage" people to go to their local "iGenius" to fix it. End of story. Its a shit move. If you don't think so find out what Jobs said about putting bluetooth in the iPod. Its not drama, its giving the consumer what they want. Using pentalobe screws is a denial of that very basic premise.

Re:why replace once you have the screwdriver? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44095219)

Holy shit -- you can rationalize *anything* Apple does, can't you?

Re:why replace once you have the screwdriver? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44094477)

If you've been handcuffed and finally get the keys, why would you put the cuffs back on, even if you still have the keys?

Some people like handcuffs.

Re:why replace once you have the screwdriver? (-1, Offtopic)

datavirtue (1104259) | about a year ago | (#44094479)

Pokud jste byli v poutech a nakonec získat klíe, pro byste mli dát pouta zpátky, i kdy stále jet mám klíe? Vyhote ty pouta.

Re:why replace once you have the screwdriver? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44094285)

I get the feeling you can count to "potato."

Re:why replace once you have the screwdriver? (2)

CastrTroy (595695) | about a year ago | (#44094287)

Also, if you're going to bother replacing the screws, why not replace them with something good like torx, hex(allen key), or Robertson? Basically, anything other than phillips and slotted.

Re:why replace once you have the screwdriver? (2)

jklovanc (1603149) | about a year ago | (#44094435)

Because torx, hex(allen key), and Robertson are much less common than philips. The whole reason for the kit is to use an easy to find tool (philips screwdriver) rather than a hard to find tool (pentalobe screwdriver). That objective would be defeated if the hard to find tool was replaced by an almost equally hard to find tool. Small philips screwdrivers are easy to find. Small torx, hex or robertson are not so easy to find.

Re:why replace once you have the screwdriver? (-1, Redundant)

datavirtue (1104259) | about a year ago | (#44094485)

Fordi torx, er hex (umbraconøgle), og Robertson langt mindre udbredt end Philips. Hele årsagen til sættet er at bruge en nem at finde værktøj (Philips skruetrækker) snarere end en svært at finde værktøj (Pentalobe skruetrækker). Dette formål ville blive besejret, hvis svært at finde værktøjet blev erstattet af en næsten lige så svært at finde værktøjet. Små Philips skruetrækkere er nemme at finde. Lille torx, hex eller Robertson er ikke så let at finde.

Re:why replace once you have the screwdriver? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44094751)

Dude, nobody else in this conversation is speaking Danish...

Re:why replace once you have the screwdriver? (-1, Troll)

ArcadeMan (2766669) | about a year ago | (#44095039)

En effet, c'est quoi l'idée d'utiliser autre chose que l'anglais sur Slashdot?

Re:why replace once you have the screwdriver? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44094491)

Why stop there, why not go to flat head?

Re:why replace once you have the screwdriver? (1)

EvanED (569694) | about a year ago | (#44094677)

At least in my experience, Phillips heads are rather more common than flat heads, and screwdrivers are about equally common for both. Both are far, far more common than anything else.

(I'm not saying that it's hard to find others -- just that if you're at a friend's house or something and need to borrow a screwdriver, there's a decent chance they'll have several flat heads, several Phillips, and little or nothing else.)

Re:why replace once you have the screwdriver? (1)

CastrTroy (595695) | about a year ago | (#44094547)

Yes, but the disadvantage of using phillips, is that the screw head may end up getting stripped, rendering your phone which was previously only able to be opened by a special screwdriver now in the state of needing a screw extractor to open it. And Torx, Hex, and Robertson aren't that rare. You can't walk into any hardware store and find them. Perhaps they only one you couldn't use would be Robertson, because they don't make them very small usually.

Re:why replace once you have the screwdriver? (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#44094689)

That is not a disadvantage to phillps, that is the whole point. The screw head is designed to stripout instead of over torqueing.

Now, using such a screw for something you want to open over and over is just stupid.

Re:why replace once you have the screwdriver? (1)

roc97007 (608802) | about a year ago | (#44094901)

I have to reluctantly agree with CastrTroy. It took me a long time to warm to Torex, but they really are superior to crosshead, and the tools are fairly common.

Re:why replace once you have the screwdriver? (1)

jklovanc (1603149) | about a year ago | (#44094903)

With hex or torx you need the exact tool to get the job done. With philips there are four sizes and they have some overlap. A screw that small would probably be a size 0 but a size 1 and possibly a size 2 philips screwdriver would also work. In a pinch, a sharp knife could also be used to unscrew a size 0 philips. The same can not be said for torx or hex.

As for stripping due to repeated opening, how many times would you open your iPhone? The objective is to be able to open the phone as quickly as possible in an emergency situation. In such a situation one would not have enough time to go to a store and buy the exact right tool.

Re:why replace once you have the screwdriver? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44095015)

So, again, what's the advantage of a kit that provides you with the screwdriver you need to open your iPhone just so you can swap in some different screws?

What's the 'emergency situation' where you have to open your iPhone 'as quickly as possible'? For most people, most of the time, *any* screwdriver would require (especially ones that small) trip to the store to get.

So, in your 'emergency' scenario, you're at home with a tiny philips screwdriver that you only need because you *also* have the pentalobe screwdriver you used to remove the screws that came with your phone and replace them with the philips-style screws. So you're very likely *exactly* where you already have the pentalobe screwdriver.

Please fill us in as to this 'emergency situation'. I'd love to hear just how contrived it is.

Re:why replace once you have the screwdriver? (3, Insightful)

BitZtream (692029) | about a year ago | (#44095035)

If you are so clumsy/accident prone that when you buy a phone, you're worried about being able to open it quickly to remove the battery because it got wet ...

Then you probably shouldn't be so stupid as to buy an iPhone in the first place, don't you think?

I can say this safely because there is no fucking way you're going to open the case faster than the water causes damage, no matter how quick or what screws you have. Even if you have the screw driver in your hand, with whatever head you want, and I drop your phone in glass of water in front of you, you will not get it open before the damage is done.

Re:why replace once you have the screwdriver? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44095177)

Exactly. And that ignores the fact that it's a 15-minute (or longer) process to get the battery out of an iPhone.
If you were going to get your phone wet, and then immediately try to stop the damage, you'd do better to have a bag of rice on hand to drop it into.

Re:why replace once you have the screwdriver? (1)

jklovanc (1603149) | about a year ago | (#44095245)

By your logic every phone ever dropped into water is instantly toast. That is demonstratably false as many phones have survived a dip. Getting the battery out quicly can save a phone by removing the electricity before the water seeps to a critical part. If you have to go buy a screwdriver then the chances are much smaller that one will be in time.

Re:why replace once you have the screwdriver? (1)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about a year ago | (#44094833)

Because torx, hex(allen key), and Robertson are much less common than philips... Small torx, hex or robertson are not so easy to find.

Also, with phillips screws, you can substitute a small flathead or even the tip of a knife blade in a pinch.

Re:why replace once you have the screwdriver? (1)

Desler (1608317) | about a year ago | (#44095121)

Pentalobe screwdrivers is as hard to find as typing "pentalobe screwdriver" into
Amazon's search box. Then you pay a couple of bucks.

Re:why replace once you have the screwdriver? (1)

HexaByte (817350) | about a year ago | (#44094917)

Hey! Don't forget Binford Splines! Us old IBM equipment repairmen still have those, too!

Re:why replace once you have the screwdriver? (0)

Synerg1y (2169962) | about a year ago | (#44094315)

DERP.

You need #1 to get the original screws out and put in #2.

Re:why replace once you have the screwdriver? (1)

roc97007 (608802) | about a year ago | (#44094623)

I agree it's annoying that the screws are a nonstandard kind. But this "liberation kit" consists of:

1. A pentalobe screwdriver that lets you operate the iPhone screws.

2. Some Philips head screws that you can replace the pentalobe screws with.

But once you have #1, why do you need to do #2?

I'd say yes, for two reasons. At some time in the future, you will have (probably) several small cross head screwdrivers, and only one pentalobe screwdriver. Second reason, it's the principal of the thing.

Re:why replace once you have the screwdriver? (1)

ArcadeMan (2766669) | about a year ago | (#44095083)

Definitions:
principal (n.) - the chief administrator of a school
principle (n.) - a basic truth, law, or belief

Re:why replace once you have the screwdriver? (1)

BitZtream (692029) | about a year ago | (#44095183)

WHAT principal? Just because you have a conspiracy theory about Apple being evil and shutting people out of opening their phones doesn't make it true.

You're principal is non-existent since anyone who ACTUALLY wants to open their phone, can, easily.

You want Apple to produce an inferior product, so that if you want to, you can open the case ... but you don't actually have a reason to open it ... and even if you did (such as water damage), you are a 0.00001% of the population who does. And ... the tools are readily available if it actually bothered you enough to do more than whine about it.

You're principals are fucking retarded, but I'm sure they go with your OMFGAPPLEEVIL juice pretty well.

Re:why replace once you have the screwdriver? (1)

interkin3tic (1469267) | about a year ago | (#44094691)

Because you should be able to. That's what I find most annoying about iOS as a consumer: whenever I wanted to do something that wasn't default, apple seemed to say "Well, why do you want to do that anyway? You don't really need to. How about you not do that and instead do something else." In iOS 2 or 3, it was the background. "Why do you want to change it? It would just distract from the icons." Alert tones "We give you like five different tones for a text message, why do you want more? The ones we put on there are pretty."

"Why don't you want to use itunes to sync all your files? Itunes looks pretty! Why would you want to change it?"

"Why would you want sources that aren't itunes app store anyway?"

"Why are you concerned about your privacy? You're not doing anything illegal."

No real reason why I'd want to replace the screws in my phone (if I had an iphone) but I'd just want to.

Re:why replace once you have the screwdriver? (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#44094767)

That is not an iOS thing, that is a cult of Apple thing.

I tried to figure out how to get FFM working on OSX and every forum post was just replied to that way. Same with getting middle click paste. Yes, I really do want it everywhere and not just the terminal.

Re:why replace once you have the screwdriver? (1)

BitZtream (692029) | about a year ago | (#44095147)

As an Apple convert, I suggest you just accept their 'way of doing things' for 2 weeks. Embrace it completely and accept it. Then decide if you hate it so much.

If you try to customize the shit out of everything, stick to Linux and Android.

What I found, and perhaps its because I got older and had more important things to do, is that Apple's devices, while not PERFECT, require far far less tweaking to use, once I accepted their way of doing things and 'go with the flow' it turned out that I actually LIKE the Apple way a lot.

Once you stop fighting it and accept for a few moments that they have put more effort into usability than you have, then it works out better. It won't fit into your 'work flow' until you adjust your workflow to work with it rather than trying to change it to fit into your work flow as it has been.

With that sad, do you realize how silly your attacks on them actually look? Have you actually compared those statements to other companies? Do you not realize they all do the same thing? Do you think that Google/Android are some how not EXACTLY the same as you stated above for iOS?

Do you really expect a device to let you do ANYTHING you want? So your phone can make you fly around magically? Do you want your phone to be like a Linux desktop where you constantly spend time maintaining it rather than just using it?

No real reason why I'd want to replace the screws in my phone (if I had an iphone) but I'd just want to.

Oh, so you're just being a disagreeable pain in the ass for no reason other than to have a reason to not like 'the man'? Well great, slashdot will cheer for you. No one else in the rest of the world will give a shit.

Re:why replace once you have the screwdriver? (1)

interkin3tic (1469267) | about a year ago | (#44095257)

I'm a convert away from iOS. I had an iphone 3GS and still have an ipad2. Itunes irks the shit out of me.

Do you not realize they all do the same thing? Do you think that Google/Android are some how not EXACTLY the same as you stated above for iOS?

They don't though. I installed a custom firmware on my phone, replacing the stock android system. I can drag and drop media files onto my phone without the software insisting it manage what is on my phone itself, something that is not the case with itunes. I can install apps from elsewhere besides google.

Do you really expect a device to let you do ANYTHING you want? So your phone can make you fly around magically? Do you want your phone to be like a Linux desktop where you constantly spend time maintaining it rather than just using it?

Anything in it's power yes. If my phone came with an antigravity device, I'd expect to be able to fly where I wanted rather than select from a list of destinations allowed to me. The things I'm talking about are well within the realm of "possible."

Oh, so you're just being a disagreeable pain in the ass for no reason other than to have a reason to not like 'the man'? Well great, slashdot will cheer for you. No one else in the rest of the world will give a shit.

Disagreeable? The question was asked "why would you want to replace the screws." And you seem to care quite a bit. Why is that?

Re:why replace once you have the screwdriver? (4, Insightful)

Joce640k (829181) | about a year ago | (#44094725)

But once you have #1, why do you need to do #2?

Because the TSA will confiscate your #1.

Re:why replace once you have the screwdriver? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44095161)

Already modded, but thank you for using the word "confiscate" in relation to TSA. The agency pushes to have their confiscations regarded as "voluntary surrender" and the more people reject that, the better.

Re:why replace once you have the screwdriver? (1)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about a year ago | (#44094747)

But once you have #1, why do you need to do #2?

I can think of a couple reasons right off:

1) With the kit you receive a single pentalobe (is it a full driver, or just a driver bit?), which you can keep in one location. Conversely, for example, I own more phillips head screwdrivers than I care to count, spread out across at least 3 counties. Assuming you don't already own a pentalobe driver, what do you do if you lose the one driver/bit they send in the kit, or if you're no where near the toolbox you keep the pentalobe in?

2) Unless you're the type who keeps a device until it literally reaches its end-of-life, swapping the proprietary screws with non-proprietary ones is a major plus to aftermarket buyers interested in the model of phone you have. Heck, I can even see charging a slight premium for a "repairable iPhone" over one with the pentalobe fasteners.

Probably even more good reasons, but they escape me at the moment.

Re:why replace once you have the screwdriver? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44095207)

2) I agree completely. The 'repairable iPhone' will command a premium. Unfortunately, that premium will be *at most* the cost of the appropriate pentalobe screwdriver, which runs about $3-5. To do that changeover, you'll need buy the pentalobe screwdriver *and* the replacement screws.

Re:why replace once you have the screwdriver? (2)

BitZtream (692029) | about a year ago | (#44095221)

1) How often are you opening your phone? WHY are you opening your phone so often that you need to have a screwdriver handy?

2) I've never, in my life, seen anyone who has given a fuck about the screws when buying a used device. None of the reselling sites care, no one cares out side of the tiny group of slashdotters who aren't going to buy one anyway. No one pays extra for phillips screws versus pentalobe because .... ALL THE REPAIR SITES ALREADY HAVE PENTALOBE DRIVERS to deal with all the phones they get that are normal.

You don't have any good reasons and you're struggling to make them up.

I liberated myself from iPhone (0)

pecosdave (536896) | about a year ago | (#44094237)

now I know liberty.

I know it's liberty, I have all the licenses and permits to prove it and the government told me so.

Re:I liberated myself from iPhone (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44094307)

yeah sure,
but how do i get the Amdocs out of the phone?!?!

Re:I liberated myself from iPhone (1)

Sarten-X (1102295) | about a year ago | (#44094513)

When others have to go along with what you want, it's "liberty". When you have to go along with what others want, it's "servitude".

Those licenses and permits prove that you can be trusted in some particular way not to use your liberty to unintentionally infringe someone else's liberty. Without that proof, your liberty is indeed curtailed for the good of society.

Re:I liberated myself from iPhone (1)

BitZtream (692029) | about a year ago | (#44095239)

Since you pretty much always have to go with the crowd in order to survive in the modern world, by your retarded definition, everyone is a servant for everyone else.

Re:I liberated myself from iPhone (2)

cockpitcomp (1575439) | about a year ago | (#44094569)

This kit is for libattery not liberty.

Re:I liberated myself from iPhone (4, Insightful)

amicusNYCL (1538833) | about a year ago | (#44094797)

I liberated myself from iPhone

It's such a weird promotion.

The latest iPhone designs use proprietary pentalobe screws that do not allow customers to open up their devices. Although you have purchased your phone, you do not have the ability to open it up to repair it.

Well yeah, if you have the right tools then you sure do have the ability to open it. It's not magic.

In the unfortunate event that your iPhone needs repair, you will be set to make any necessary fix.

No, not really. You'll be set to open up the phone using a different screwdriver. Congratulations.

For situations when you need to get the battery out of your iPhone as quickly as possible—such as after dropping the device into water—you will be ready.

Ready to go find a screwdriver. But not the one that opens the original screws, the other screwdriver that opens the new screws. Congratulations on your newfound freedom.

When people see your iPhone, in all it's liberated glory, they will know that you don't stand for restrictions on your hardware .

Not really. Since you have an iPhone at all then people will know that you really don't care about restrictions, or you wouldn't have gone with an iPhone. The kind of screws on the phone don't affect that.

You believe that repair choices should be up to the owner, that repair should be easy, accessible, and affordable.

But then you said "Fuck all that", and bought an iPhone anyway.

But it said to flush the system cache (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44094241)

such as after dropping the device into water

Problems with statutory rights (2)

gnasher719 (869701) | about a year ago | (#44094405)

In the EU, including Britain, the customer has certain rights against the seller to fix problems even after the manufacturer's warranty runs out. An essential part of this is that the seller has to fix problems for some time if the buyer can prove that the problem was there when the item was purchased.

Now you turn up with your iPhone not working and all the screws replaced. "Hey Apple (or O2, or Vodaphone, or whoever sold it), the phone doesn't work and it sure must be your fault because I never opened it". "So how do you explain that all the screws have been replaced? You most definitely opened that phone. "

Re:Problems with statutory rights (1)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | about a year ago | (#44094465)

You put the old screws back before you turn it in.

Re:Problems with statutory rights (1)

gnasher719 (869701) | about a year ago | (#44095005)

You put the old screws back before you turn it in.

That's what I love about slashdot - quick, witty comebacks that fall apart when you look closely. So they give you a special screwdriver and replacement screws so you can put in the replacement screws and don't need a special screwdriver which you might lose, in case the phone has problems and you want to open it. But now you have to keep the special screwdrivers, the special screws, and a philips screwdriver in case you need to replace the screws when the phone has problems.

In other words, you just created for yourself three problems to solve one. And these screws are tiny, and what are the bets they are gone when you need them?

Re:Problems with statutory rights (2)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | about a year ago | (#44095141)

And these screws are tiny, and what are the bets they are gone when you need them?

Want another quick and witty comeback? You keep them in the same box where you keep the warranty card. Because, you know, you have to keep *that* one anyway.

Re:Problems with statutory rights (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44094483)

Wow. Funny and clever. Don't forget to link a xkcd "comic".

Re:Problems with statutory rights (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44094489)

Not to mention that Apple seems to take the high road when it comes to supporting their devices. I've sent an iPod back that was years out of warranty and Apple still replaced it because of the high failure rate. I never expected them to handle it so well. It got them a lot more business from me too.

Dealing with Apple isn't like dealing with HP or Dell.

Re:Problems with statutory rights (-1, Redundant)

datavirtue (1104259) | about a year ago | (#44094527)

Nu kan du slå op med din iPhone ikke fungerer og alle skruer udskiftet. "Hey Apple (eller O2, eller Vodaphone, eller hvem solgte det), telefonen ikke virker, og det er sikker må være din skyld, fordi jeg aldrig åbnet det." "Så hvordan kan du forklare, at alle skruer er blevet erstattet? Du helt sikkert åbnet den telefon."

Re:Problems with statutory rights (1)

Alain Williams (2972) | about a year ago | (#44094769)

Which means: (sorry, this is an English language forum)

Now you can break up with your iPhone does not work and all screws replaced. "Hey Apple (or O2 or Vodaphone or who sold it), the phone does not work and it sure must be your fault because I never opened it." "So how do you explain that all screws have been replaced? You certainly opened up the phone."

Re:Problems with statutory rights (5, Funny)

cockpitcomp (1575439) | about a year ago | (#44094613)

Just explain that replaced one screw at a time, therefore, the phone was never "open". The great thing about phone companies is they are always very understanding of their customers and willing to work with you rationally.

Re:Problems with statutory rights (1)

gnasher719 (869701) | about a year ago | (#44095029)

Just explain that replaced one screw at a time, therefore, the phone was never "open". The great thing about phone companies is they are always very understanding of their customers and willing to work with you rationally.

It's up to you to prove that you didn't cause the damage. Not up to them to prove the opposite.

Re:Problems with statutory rights (1)

roc97007 (608802) | about a year ago | (#44094877)

Replacing the screws so that commonly available tools can be used to work on it, tells me that the owner intends to fix it themselves, which makes this scenario unimportant. Besides, as someone else said, in the unlikely event you have a real out-of-warranty coverage scenario, you can always put the original screws back in.

Incidentally, car owners have been doing this for many years.

Warranty (1)

frozentier (1542099) | about a year ago | (#44094437)

I assume with the turn of a screw you also void the warranty?

Re:Warranty (1)

roc97007 (608802) | about a year ago | (#44094793)

I assume with the turn of a screw you also void the warranty?

Enh. What makes me uncomfortable about this question is the unspoken assumption that everyone dumps their i-device for the "latest and greatest" right about the time the warranty runs out. I think the general answer is, if you're planning to fix it yourself (BTW, good for you!) then the warranty does not apply.

Re:Warranty (3, Informative)

gnasher719 (869701) | about a year ago | (#44095063)

I assume with the turn of a screw you also void the warranty?

No. For warranty the manufacturer would have to prove that you caused the damage. For statutory rights in the EU after the warranty runs out _you_ have to prove that _you_ didn't cause it.

Re:Warranty (1)

retchdog (1319261) | about a year ago | (#44095089)

you can just replace the old screws. i doubt they'd notice.

A clever way to get you to void your warranty (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44094439)

And therefore making you run to iFixit for help when things go bad for your iPhone.

Did Father Steve approve of this?!?!? (5, Funny)

TWiTfan (2887093) | about a year ago | (#44094519)

The rest of you can burn in Hell if you want, but in THIS house, we stick to Father Steve's teachings.

Re:Did Father Steve approve of this?!?!? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44094653)

Riiight. Because every other manufacturer would be just thrilled by an end user opening their non-end user serviceable equipment up. I'm sure they'd all honor any warranty even if they knew you opened the unit beyond what is expected by the consumer...

Give me a break, jackhole.

Re:Did Father Steve approve of this?!?!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44094709)

I bought it, Ill do as I please with it, you apple loving cunt.

Re:Did Father Steve approve of this?!?!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44094915)

Riiight. Because every other manufacturer would be just thrilled by an end user opening their non-end user serviceable equipment up.

Give me a break, jackhole.

Android phones usually give the end user more freedom to open the back panel. Very few have screws like the iPhone to lock a user out. If you want to open the back panel to replace the battery, or drain the water out after dropping the phone in a sink of water then you are free to do so.

Re:Did Father Steve approve of this?!?!? (1)

Savage-Rabbit (308260) | about a year ago | (#44094729)

The rest of you can burn in Hell if you want, but in THIS house, we stick to Father Steve's teachings.

The zookeeper says: Please don't feed the trolls.

Re:Did Father Steve approve of this?!?!? (1)

roc97007 (608802) | about a year ago | (#44094805)

Of course he did not. This is absolute heresy. I imagine the Apple police are suiting up.

Sex-Key Option (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44094575)

this is great news for freid-dumb-loving consumers!
tell me, Anonymous Toughguy,
  how does one use this kit to extract the Amdocs phonetapper, and does it work with all gewgle-listening-devices?

Personal Trackers (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44094671)

Perhaps instead of calling our portable telephones 'cell phones', 'mobiles', 'smartphones', 'superphones', 'app phones', or my personal least favourite, 'mobile devices', why not call them 'personal trackers' or 'trackers' for short?

After all, they
- Keep track of your calendar
- Keep track of many types of communication, both telephonic and internet-y.
- Keeps track of & stores things such as songs and videos, and
- Keeps track of your movements

Maybe if we change the language we might shift the conversation a bit.

Re:Personal Trackers (1)

Joce640k (829181) | about a year ago | (#44094749)

You forgot one:

- Let the government track your location.

Re:Personal Trackers (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44094921)

I didn't say who was keeping track of one's movements. It was a sly implication :)>

Liberate yourself from your warranty (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44094699)

even a tiny peek is gonna cost you hundreds

It's about time (2)

roc97007 (608802) | about a year ago | (#44094735)

I've been fixing ipods for years as a side business. [1] I don't make enough to be worth my time. The only reason I do it is that it offends me that such a popular device is considered disposable when the parts that break/wear out are replaceable. It seems to me that someone could really make a go at this, and I'm very happy that someone is.

[1] If you're interested, the things most needing replacement in my experience are (a) the cheap plastic headphone jack (b) the battery and (c) the screen in that order. All the parts and the tools you need have been available online for some time (although they used to be hard to find; common now) and it's not hard to do. But I can sometimes see why Apple doesn't want you to look inside. For instance, the commercial Sandisk SD card soldered onto the circuit board of the ipod mini. (They didn't even bother to take the label off.)

Can you Rom an iPhone? (1)

Deliveranc3 (629997) | about a year ago | (#44094801)

If so they should have a CD of roms or something as well. There's a lot of software out there that's not on the apple store and can make a phone more robust (backups) etc.

Sh1t!? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44095051)

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