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Microsoft XBox One Kinect Will Not Work On Windows PCs

timothy posted about a year ago | from the sir-you-need-to-get-back-in-line dept.

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symbolset writes "Ars is reporting that Microsoft XBox One Kinect will not work on Windows PCs. It uses a proprietary connector and an adaptor will not be available. If you want Kinect for your PC you will need to buy a 'Kinect for Windows' product. Although the Kinect 1.0 for XBox 360 also had a proprietary connector it came with a USB adaptor for compatibility with older versions of the 360 that lacked the new proprietary port and PC compatibility was quickly hacked up by third parties."

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198 comments

Microsoft seem determined (5, Insightful)

maroberts (15852) | about a year ago | (#44127083)

..to shoot themselves in the ass with their desire to compartmentalize everything. One reason the Kinect was such a runaway success was the fact that people thought of doing imaginative things with it and stretching its operational boundaries.

Re:Microsoft seem determined (4, Insightful)

Spy Handler (822350) | about a year ago | (#44127131)

they're just aping what Apple is doing. Oh Apple is dominating mp3 players with the ipod? Let's make the Zune! Apple has their own Apple stores? Let's open our Microsoft stores! Apple has proprietary connectors? Let's make proprietary connectors!

Re:Microsoft seem determined (5, Funny)

crutchy (1949900) | about a year ago | (#44127175)

ms fucked up when steve jobs died... they should have followed suit and killed off ballmer

Re:Microsoft seem determined (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44127357)

You owe me a new keyboard. And mouse. And pants :-)

Re:Microsoft seem determined (4, Funny)

bmk67 (971394) | about a year ago | (#44127367)

You sir, owe me a new keyboard and a Coke.

Re:Microsoft seem determined (2)

antdude (79039) | about a year ago | (#44128703)

Your keyboard sucks. Good ones should be washable and still work. ;)

Re:Microsoft seem determined (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44128993)

It wasn't the coke that broke the keyboard. It was that the keyboard was accidently dropped to the ground and rolled on top of when ROFLMAO happend immediately after coke shotguned out his nose in laughter.

Re:Microsoft seem determined (1)

Absolutely.Geek (2913529) | about a year ago | (#44127625)

First actual LOL I have had today....thank you sir :)

Re:Microsoft seem determined (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44127683)

Oh wow the wins the internet. Fucking bravo.

Re:Microsoft seem determined (1)

Darinbob (1142669) | about a year ago | (#44128815)

Ballmer is already dead though. What we see is just residual hind brain activity. What we hear are residual echoes of him shouting.

Re:Microsoft seem determined (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44127195)

I heard Bill Gates is trying to get pancreatic cancer too.

Re:Microsoft seem determined (0)

PopeRatzo (965947) | about a year ago | (#44128177)

Oh Apple is dominating mp3 players with the ipod?

People still use "mp3 players"? Who knew?

Re:Microsoft seem determined (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44128333)

Of course they do. How else will they play their mp3s? You could use your phone, but that drains your battery too much to be practical. I like the iPod Shuffle. You can't feel it, good for exercising, good for travel, and the battery will last all day long.

Re:Microsoft seem determined (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44128847)

^^^ This, so much this. Best iPod ever produced.

Re:Microsoft seem determined (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44127383)

Oh, come on, that had nothing to do with it selling well - 99.999% of the Kinects sold were just plugged into an Xbox 360 and used for normal console games. It was cool that it worked on a PC and they released a Windows SDK, but that had almost zero to do with the actual units sold.

Re:Microsoft seem determined (4, Insightful)

OP is trolling (2965703) | about a year ago | (#44127415)

..to shoot themselves in the ass with their desire to compartmentalize everything. One reason the Kinect was such a runaway success was the fact that people thought of doing imaginative things with it and stretching its operational boundaries.

Original article says they're going to release 2 different Kinects; one for Windows and one for XBox One... but hey, let's form opinions based on headlines and cherry picking quotes!

Re:Microsoft seem determined (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44127467)

get you shill, get your shill right here

Re:Microsoft seem determined (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44127629)

how is correcting a badly written Slashdot article shilling?

Re:Microsoft seem determined (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44127721)

Because the article said something negative about Microsoft. Obviously it can't be wrong.

Re:Microsoft seem determined (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44127941)

This. AND since this is /., any post even attempting to point out the idiocy of the rampant MS hatred is a shill.

Nothing new here.

Re:Microsoft seem determined (1, Flamebait)

DAldredge (2353) | about a year ago | (#44128545)

Because if you say anything positive about Microsoft you are evil, a shill, etc....

Re:Microsoft seem determined (1)

Darinbob (1142669) | about a year ago | (#44128833)

More like a farthing less than a shilling, or nearly 3 groats.

Re:Microsoft seem determined (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44127473)

Why? The XB1 is a PC, albeit a customized one operating in a walled-garden OS environment. Both have USB so interfacing isnt an issue. Greed-based pricing/licensing is the only reason they would need two models.

Re:Microsoft seem determined (3, Insightful)

Missing.Matter (1845576) | about a year ago | (#44127611)

Xbox is sold at a loss and subsidized by the expectation of future game sales. The kinect 2 is an amazing piece of technology, that alone is worth thousands of dollars to a researcher, whose only other options until now have been sensors from specialized industrial suppliers with limited runs and excessive prices (we're talking $5k - $10k).

What Microsoft obviously doesn't want people doing is buying an Xbox, using only the Kincect, and not buying any media. Thus Kinect for Xbox only works with Xbox, and if you want to use it for another application you don't get the subsidy. Oh how greedy.

Not the second coming (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about a year ago | (#44127821)

Xbox is sold at a loss and subsidized by the expectation of future game sales.

Lets not get ahead its a PC in VHS case, massively overpriced compared to the competiton. Having none PC connectors is kind of sad.

Re:Not the second coming (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44128157)

"massively overpriced compared to the competition"

I assume you mean compared to the $400 PS4...that comes with no Kinect...$100 for a camera-sensing system this advanced seems like a pretty good up-sell to me. Yes, I would prefer to have the option of purchasing it seperately, but I don't think that makes it "massively overpriced".

Take off the shit-colored glasses...

Ouya for me (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about a year ago | (#44128609)

I assume you mean compared to the $400 PS4....Take off the shit-colored glasses..

No I bought an Ouya I got it yesterday :), although I'm keeping an eye on the PS4 as its looking better than its previous offering. I am also interested in The (as yes vapourware) Google console...but we will have to wait and see.

Re:Microsoft seem determined (2, Informative)

drinkypoo (153816) | about a year ago | (#44128203)

Xbox is sold at a loss and subsidized by the expectation of future game sales.

Xbox hasn't been sold for years. Xbox 360 is profitable. Xbox One is powered by an APU and RAM isn't expensive any more, they are probably actually making a profit selling $400 consoles.

What Microsoft obviously doesn't want people doing is buying an Xbox, using only the Kincect, and not buying any media. Thus Kinect for Xbox only works with Xbox

No, Kinect for Xbox 360 works with PC, with community software. Kinect for Xbox One has been said by Microsoft to not work with PC, but that's also what they said about Kinect for Xbox 360.

I know it's tedious to get these names right, because Microsoft came up with shitty names, but please try to do so anyway. If you expect people to parse your comments, then it's reasonable for others to expect them to be correct.

Re:Microsoft seem determined (3, Interesting)

icebike (68054) | about a year ago | (#44128335)

That only makes sense if buying the Xbox Only version was cheap and easy. For sake of argument, lets say it is.

It will take http://pinouts.ru/ [pinouts.ru] maybe a week and a half to post the specs, and some enterprising Chinese company will make a converter.
Or you could bread-board your own.

Re:Microsoft seem determined (3, Insightful)

iMadeGhostzilla (1851560) | about a year ago | (#44128395)

Also I imagine the final Kinect 2 for Windows will surely be less expensive than the new XBox. If I buy the XBox One just for the Kinect, everybody loses -- I pay extra for a console I won't use, and MS loses money on subsidizing unused hardware.

Re:Microsoft seem determined (4, Insightful)

timeOday (582209) | about a year ago | (#44128323)

Why are people assuming the Windows and XBox One versions will differ only in connector?

Kinect 1 was an add-on for the XBox 360. That means everything particular to Kinect had to be in the Kinect itself, for example some video processing capability. USB, after all, is a sucky interface for video transfer, and the XBox 360 had no particular capability to do the processing required by Kinect anyways.

Kinect 2 is an integrated component of XBox One, so more of its processing is almost certainly offloaded into the GPU or other components of the XBox One console. Surely this will be cheaper than having separate (and substantial) RAM and processing inside the Kinect. But obviously the Kinect for PCs cannot take the same approach.

Granted, I have no direct knowledge and am just reasoning this out. But if you're designing the console and sensor together it's hard to imagine it won't be cheaper to have a deeper integration of computing resources needed.

Re:Microsoft seem determined (3, Informative)

naoursla (99850) | about a year ago | (#44127587)

They already released a Kinect for XBox and Windows.

The Windows Kinect has a near-mode that the XBox one lacks.

Re:Microsoft seem determined (3, Informative)

Ultra64 (318705) | about a year ago | (#44127795)

"Original article says they're going to release 2 different Kinects; one for Windows and one for XBox One... but hey, let's form opinions based on headlines and cherry picking quotes!"

I think you need to look up what "compartmentalize" means.

He didn't say anything about them not releasing a Kinect for Windows. He just pointed out that you now need two separate but similar devices to solve a problem that used to be covered with a single device.

Re:Microsoft seem determined (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44128171)

It was NEVER covered by a single device. Kinect for Windows is a separate SKU and product.

Maybe you can "hack" the 360 Kinect to work on Windows, but it was NEVER designed to work with both.

Re:Microsoft seem determined (2)

wbr1 (2538558) | about a year ago | (#44128839)

..to shoot themselves in the ass with their desire to compartmentalize everything. One reason the Kinect was such a runaway success was the fact that people thought of doing imaginative things with it and stretching its operational boundaries.

Original article says they're going to release 2 different Kinects; one for Windows and one for XBox One... but hey, let's form opinions based on headlines and cherry picking quotes!

Simple.. sure I can buy a windows model. But, what if I already own an xbone. Shouldn't I be able to use that kinect for tinkering, robotics, teledildonics, or whatever else? No, instead I have to pony up more money. Yay Ballmer.

Re:Microsoft seem determined (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44127505)

..to shoot themselves in the ass with their desire to compartmentalize everything. One reason the Kinect was such a runaway success was the fact that people thought of doing imaginative things with it and stretching its operational boundaries.

Or maybe it's because they subsidize the Xbone version and not the PC version. You know, the exact same reason the PC version of the original Kinect cost more than the Xbox 360 version?

Nah, that couldn't be it. It's obviously "bcoz M$ r teh stoopidz, amirite"?

Re:Microsoft seem determined (0)

asmkm22 (1902712) | about a year ago | (#44127555)

Exactly. Connect wasn't successful because of all the games that used it. It was successful because of the modding community that gave it a ton of buzz for being easy and fun to work with. I actually can't think of single game that benefited from having a connect sensor beyond a few generic dance games.

Re:Microsoft seem determined (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44127569)

Fruit Ninja.

Re:Microsoft seem determined (5, Interesting)

Missing.Matter (1845576) | about a year ago | (#44127573)

The people doing the most impressive/innovative things with the Kinect are research institutions and startups. Sensors like the original Kinect used to cost in excess of $5000 - $10000. I've seen some as high as $70,000 which are not as nice as the Kinect and don't offer the same developer resources and community support. At $199 they were a complete steal. Sensors like the Kinect 2 simply do not exist today, and several that are slated for release (which still don't match its capabilities) still run in excess of a grand.

With that in mind, the $399 Kinect for Windows is still a complete steal. It's *the* most innovative and cheapest sensor for robotics, my field, period. The time of flight capabilities they added to the Kinect 2 are unheard of for under $6000. The resolution is unheard of for any price. I will be the first one in line to buy a PC compatible kinect for my robotics research, and I'll be smiling all the way home TYVM.

Re:Microsoft seem determined (-1, Troll)

The Cat (19816) | about a year ago | (#44127631)

And they are all built by 15 year old girls who live in concrete cages in some Guangdong hellhole.

Enjoy your "steal." Just be sure you remember who you stole it from.

Re:Microsoft seem determined (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44127729)

Fuck you asshole. Keep typing that bullshit at your computer you fucking shitbag hypocritical faggot.

Re:Microsoft seem determined (1)

The Cat (19816) | about a year ago | (#44128643)

Guangdong isn't in Texas.

Re:Microsoft seem determined (3, Insightful)

Lunix Nutcase (1092239) | about a year ago | (#44128081)

So no different than the device you made your post from.

Re:Microsoft seem determined (1)

The Cat (19816) | about a year ago | (#44128633)

My computer was made in Texas.

Nice red herring, though. Anything to direct attention away from the hissing evil that runs companies in this country.

Re:Microsoft seem determined (-1, Troll)

The Cat (19816) | about a year ago | (#44128661)

Troll? Boy now aren't there just some hypocrite bags of dick on Slashdot nowadays? Can't handle the fucking truth about the tech industry?

Go run to your mommies you neckbeard circlejerking fucks.

Re:Microsoft seem determined (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44127811)

Looking at your posting history, I'm guessing that you are a Microsoft employee. If this is true, then you really should be disclosing this fact. If not, then you are a very passionate Microsoft fan, and should be getting paid for your constant adulation!

Re:Microsoft seem determined (1)

bloodhawk (813939) | about a year ago | (#44127583)

You guys do realize they are making Kinnect for Windows available separately right? who gives a shit if you can't plug in the one from your Xbox.

Boycott Microsoft. (3, Insightful)

tuppe666 (904118) | about a year ago | (#44127767)

You guys do realize they are making Kinnect for Windows available separately right? who gives a shit if you can't plug in the one from your Xbox.

People who were planning on Gaming on Microsoft's(not your) Console and on Microsofts' (not your)PC, and don't want to spend twice as much money, on something they may not want or need.

That said none standard connectors are just shitty, for a whole host or reasons.

Re:Microsoft seem determined (4, Insightful)

DrGamez (1134281) | about a year ago | (#44127813)

Because when before I had to just buy one, now I must buy two to get the same "functionality". I don't get how this is confusing.

Re:Microsoft seem determined (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44128427)

The functionality is still the same, the hackability is still the same. The only difference is the Xbox version doesn't come with an adapter. Seriously the only difference now is it is more expensive to do if you want both an Xbox and a PC kinect. considering the extremely limited audience that want both this is a complete non issue. Most of the kinect work was being done by academics and home devs and they only bought the kinect.

Re:Microsoft seem determined (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44127755)

Sure and that's why win8 won't work on my 286 PC.

Re:Microsoft seem determined (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44127815)

Win8 not working on it should be considered a feature of a 286.

Re:Microsoft seem determined (1)

Teckla (630646) | about a year ago | (#44128321)

..to shoot themselves in the ass with their desire to compartmentalize everything. One reason the Kinect was such a runaway success was the fact that people thought of doing imaginative things with it and stretching its operational boundaries.

My Kinect is gathering dust. It was novel and interesting at first, but now it feels mostly pointless and gimmicky.

I think it sucks that Microsoft is going to force people to buy a Kinect with the Xbone.

Re:Microsoft seem determined (1)

ILongForDarkness (1134931) | about a year ago | (#44128747)

Doesn't the computer version have a more near sighted camera? You probably don't want a deep a field of focus for something you are going to use sitting at your desktop so it would likely be a different device you'd want anyways.

Not proprietary for long (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44127105)

How much you want to bet it's just USB with a funny shape on the end

Re: Not proprietary for long (1)

Joe Cody (2965695) | about a year ago | (#44127153)

nail on head

Re:Not proprietary for long (1)

dgp (11045) | about a year ago | (#44127191)

I agree, the 4 USB lines are bound to be in the connector. I believe the original kinect connector also had lines for extra power, and other useful stuff. There are some legitimate reasons for a new connector, but lock-in sure seems like a major factor. Adapting to a PC USB should be easy.

Re:Not proprietary for long (3, Insightful)

ericloewe (2129490) | about a year ago | (#44127311)

The PC Kinect will use USB 3.0, no word on power delivery, but it could be through said USB 3.0 connection. The Xbox One version won't be very different, I guess, but they might complicate things with different protocols and out of spec stuff on the Xbox One.

I guess we'll quickly know if they just used a proprietary connector and kept everything else.

Ok (0, Flamebait)

The Cat (19816) | about a year ago | (#44127117)

Who gives a shit?

Re:Ok (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44127181)

I'm sure someone will phone in an opinion on why anyone would care and why the Xbone isn't already an also-ran.

Re:Ok (0)

AmazingRuss (555076) | about a year ago | (#44127301)

The shitwolves.

Re:Ok (1)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about a year ago | (#44127399)

The shitwolves.

Yer fuckin' losing it, Lahey.

Re:Ok (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44127559)

Cheap and easy motion capture for indy developers. Despite Microsoft's idiocy they did manage to put out a good piece of hardware.

Too bad they're too fucking stupid to actually capitalize properly on ANYTHING they do.

More assholery from MS (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44127123)

Translation: We did a much better job with the DRM. If you want to use it on a non-walled-garden PC you have to pay us much more.

If I may be allowed a shameless pun... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44127149)

...It seems Microsoft is dis-kinected from fans.

Re:If I may be allowed a shameless pun... (1)

crutchy (1949900) | about a year ago | (#44127205)

It seems Microsoft is dis-kinected from fans

i imagine that may cause some overheating problems

Re:If I may be allowed a shameless pun... (4, Funny)

UltraZelda64 (2309504) | about a year ago | (#44127313)

Not if it's dis-kinected from the wall outlet first.

Adapters (1)

onyxruby (118189) | about a year ago | (#44127173)

How long until the first USB / Kinect adapters pop up? Standards are a wonderful thing and should be honored.

Re:Adapters (2)

Bearhouse (1034238) | about a year ago | (#44127421)

Indeed - so is entrepreneurship. I'm sure some Chinese cable producer is gearing up right now.
Why the heck MS need to go to an additional expense just to upset their customers eludes me...unless, of course, the windows/USB version will be much more expensive? FTA the only way to get it (so far) is via a 399 'developers kit' bundle...madness...

Of course the real stupidity is that the vast majority of people would never had transferred the thing between two devices anyway

Re:Adapters (1, Troll)

The Cat (19816) | about a year ago | (#44127659)

Yeah because there sure as FUCK won't be an AMERICAN producer gearing up for anything, now would there?

If China decided to stop making toilet paper, America would be covered in shit in 36 hours. This country has become so fucking worthless its comedic.

Re:Adapters (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44127747)

That's so true, but not because Americans won't do it - they can't. Micro$hit lawyers would be all over their ass that no amount of toilet paper from China could wipe the mess.

On the other hand, Chinese don't give a flying fuck about American IP laws, and rightfully they shouldn't, not their country.

I for one applaud the pending arrival of the Xbox One Kinect adapters for PC to eBay.

Re:Adapters (2)

The Cat (19816) | about a year ago | (#44127825)

If there is a legal reason to keep an American company from building it, there's a legal way to stop a Chinese company from importing it. See Nokia and the iPhone/Samsung cases for details.

Re:Adapters (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44128005)

In practice, no, there's not:

I for one applaud the pending arrival of the Xbox One Kinect adapters for PC to eBay.

Re:Adapters (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44128717)

aliexpress

Re:Adapters (1)

dufachi (973647) | about a year ago | (#44127823)

nah, they make AMERICAN toilet paper. It's that stuff that splinters off in your arse when you wipe; generally referred to as "John Wayne Toilet Paper"

Re:Adapters (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | about a year ago | (#44128223)

Paper products are one of the few things we still make here. TP in particular is often made out of pretty nice trees, because they make pretty nice asswipe. Too bad we don't just have bidets, which get your asshole cleaner than rubbing it with disintegrating paper anyway.

Re:Adapters (1)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | about a year ago | (#44129003)

Go ahead and try to start a factory in America today. Go ahead, I dare you. You'll be shut down by lawsuits before you ever break ground. There's a reason all of our production moved to China, and it's not just labor cost.

Seems simple (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44127177)

If you could connect the XBox Kinect to your PC, then you wouldn't need to buy a second Kinect (for Windows).

Is Microsoft hurting this badly, that they have to stoop to this type of behavior?

In ther news (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44127217)

MSG (microsoft glass) will only record while you poop

Re:In ther news (2)

pecosdave (536896) | about a year ago | (#44127651)

That's because they need inspiration for Windows 9.

China to the resque (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44127319)

I bet some random Chinese (maybe even American) company will have a fitting adapter for USB out within a week.
Then someone releases the Xbox firmware and the rest will be a bit of hacking around.

Selective quoting for the win... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44127347)

From the same article:
Microsoft says the Xbox One and Windows versions of the new generation Kinect are "built on a shared set of technologies" and have similar capabilities such as 1080p video, an active IR mode, and a wider field of view than the first Kinect. But that doesn't mean the devices are exactly the same, or designed to be interoperable with the other platform.

"The new generation Kinect for Windows sensor will be a fully tested, licensed, and supported Kinect experience on Windows," the spokesperson told Ars. "Kinect for Xbox One is being built for and tested with the Xbox One."

Re:Selective quoting for the win... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44127479)

I'm sure the hardware is 100% identical, except the connector. the difference is only in the software.

Re: Selective quoting for the win... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44127679)

I'll bet the firmware is different. Microsoft could have the XboxKinect do a key agreement with the Xbox, and it wouldn't function on a PC without the proper key. They do something similar (in the other direction) to block unlicensed third party gamepads from working on the 360.

Wont work or can't work? (2)

flimflammer (956759) | about a year ago | (#44127547)

Just because Microsoft isn't providing the adapter means little.

Yay! (1)

bmo (77928) | about a year ago | (#44127597)

It's just like the good old days with DEC and the Connector Conspiracy!

--
BMO

Good to hear! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44127613)

Makes both Windows and Kinect less valuable. I have no problem with this.

Good news (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | about a year ago | (#44127649)

I'm glad to hear that the new Kinect will have proprietary connectors. It saves me from the worry of somehow missing the Microsoft logo and accidentally plugging one into my PC instead of throwing it into the trash after smashing it with a sledgehammer and soaking it in a bucket of salt water.

I'm a big game fan, but I will not touch an xbone or any of it's evil peripherals.

I remember a few years ago, reading Cory Doctorow's Little Brother and thinking it was an overwrought bit of dystopian fiction. Now it reads like contemporary history.

I know we're all supposed to be too busy and too well-entertained to care, or to notice, but fuck if I'll participate in this corporate police-state. Turns out there's a whole lot of gadgets I can live without.

Re:Good news (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44128183)

Are you fucking retarded? Your dad sure was...

I just bought a Kinect for PC (5, Interesting)

Mike Blakemore (999177) | about a year ago | (#44127671)

There are some differences between the PC version and the Xbox version. The PC version has "upgraded" firmware that allows for gesture recognition at closer proximities. Also, its about $100 more than the Xbox Kinect.

I'm now using it for speech and gesture recognition in Touch Control System (TCS): a 3D game engine built for controlling electronics.
http://hyperplaneinteractive.com/blog/tcs-in-depth/ [hyperplane...active.com]

Re:I just bought a Kinect for PC (3, Interesting)

PPH (736903) | about a year ago | (#44128507)

Just thinking out loud: The Xbox Kinect might be more (or less) than a Windows Kinect with an oddball connecter. Its possible that some of the Windows Kinect firmware functions have been moved into the Xbox and the Xbox Kinect lacks those functions. And can't be upgraded.

Sort of like the old Winmodems.

Re:I just bought a Kinect for PC (1)

Mike Blakemore (999177) | about a year ago | (#44128995)

Software emulation would explain the price difference. This would also give Microsoft the ability to deliver new Kinect functionality to the Xbox as the SDK is developed without firmware updates. Probably better than bricking people's Xbox Kinects.

Is the interface proprietary? (1)

Animats (122034) | about a year ago | (#44127775)

The real question is whether the electrical interface is proprietary. Worst case, there's an encrypted handshake, like Nintendo cartridges or HDCP. But probably not.

Makes absolute sense, technically. (3, Informative)

goruka (1721094) | about a year ago | (#44127977)

For those of us who worked with Kinect, we know very well all of it's limitations. It's a promising technology but it's still very green and far from what it is advertised as. It pretty much only works if you are looking to the camera and waving your hands and legs. Any attempt to turn sideways or even put your hands together completely confuses the heck out of it (check their technology demo videos, such scenarios are all purposely avoided).
There's even open source implementations of the pose recognition that work better (though they need calibration).
By making it XB1 only hackers will not be able to see how much it really improved (likely not much judging by their videos). So far from what I can tell, only the APIs improved so it's easier to get data from it (full matrices, motion vectors and strain, which you could easily compute yourself anyway), and some stuff was added to detect heart and blood rate (likely based on this MIT stuff [mit.edu] . That's pretty much it.

Re:Makes absolute sense, technically. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44128675)

There's even open source implementations of the pose recognition that work better (though they need calibration).

There's even open source implementations working without pose recognition or calibration. Just like that. Wow! openni.org [openni.org]

The reason they don't use USB is bandwidth related (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44128023)

The reason they don't use USB is bandwidth related.

Oh no (1)

atari2600a (1892574) | about a year ago | (#44128071)

They found out that surely no one would attempt to cut off the proprietary connector & wire in a standard USB A connector with what is probably the same color-coded wiring! I'm ESPECIALLY sure no one will wire it as a Y cable, using the original connector you cut off & a donor USB cable, thereby retaining compatibility w/ the Xbox One. They've completely ruined our ability to provide easy-to-follow howtos involving wire strippers & heatshrink tubing for a permanent neatly-bound PC-compatible cable with the instructions on how to find & install the drivers on the same page!

Oh really? (1)

uutf (2432816) | about a year ago | (#44128165)

Challenge accepted!

Yeah (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44128259)

Cuz we're all just chomping-at-the-bit to put a surveillance device in EVERY room, you know?

Will the Leap Motion make them change their minds? (2)

MSRedfox (1043112) | about a year ago | (#44128559)

With the Leap Motion coming out soon, I wonder if its sales will put pressure on Microsoft release a PC adapter (or at least a cheap version of the Kinect for PCs). A link about the Leap Motion for those who haven't heard of it: https://www.leapmotion.com/ [leapmotion.com]
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