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Larry Ellison and Marc Benioff Suddenly Playing Nice, Weirding Everyone Out

Soulskill posted about a year ago | from the why-aren't-mommy-and-daddy-fighting dept.

Oracle 27

Nerval's Lobster writes "Once upon a time, Salesforce CEO Marc Benioff and Oracle CEO Larry Ellison took what seemed like inordinate amounts of pleasure in firing off verbal broadsides at each other. In 2011, for example, Ellison referred to Salesforce as 'the roach motel of clouds' and 'a very bad security model.' But Benioff's given as good as he's gotten, swiping at Oracle's early cloud efforts as 'cloud in a box' and 'just another server.' But oh, how things change: Ellison and Benioff have revealed that their firms would come together in a joint effort. They were on their best behavior during a conference call this week. 'The Oracle database has been a key part of Salesforce's infrastructure from the very beginning of our company 14 years ago,' Benioff told Ellison at one point, according to a transcript posted on ZDNet. 'Absolutely the best decision we ever made was to go with Oracle.' Why the sudden reversal? Simply put, after years of sticking with a hardware-and-software model, Oracle now has cloud religion. For Salesforce, the benefits are a little murkier, but some analysts think that Salesforce will be able to leverage Oracle's name to gain a heightened profile with businesses. But can Benioff and Ellison continue to play nice?"

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It's Called 12c (2)

SuilAmhain (2819677) | about a year ago | (#44137467)

And you won't beat it so you might as well play nice.

True Multi Tenancy for Oracle Databases will hurt a lot of other Database/Instance providers.

Salesforce needs 12c as much as Oracle needs a another sales guy. Period.

Re:It's Called 12c (2)

NeutronCowboy (896098) | about a year ago | (#44137887)

Salesforce is already running on Oracle. Salesforce is paying Oracle about 300 million for the next couple of years to continue running Oracle. I don't understand why that requires a special bro-hug to be consummated. Benioff hands over the money, Ellison hands over the hardware, and everyone continues sniping about their cloud models. Why the love fest suddenly?

Re:It's Called 12c (2)

hairyfeet (841228) | about a year ago | (#44138773)

That is why I think its weird that anybody is surprised, two rich guys figure out how to make money together, news at 11...and this just in, water is wet, who knew?

Perhaps ... it's the NSA ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44140817)

I will be very glad if I am wrong, but ...

Ever since Mr. Edward Snowden leaked to the world the secret about PRISM and how super-corporations such as Apple, Amazon, Microsoft, Google all play nice with NSA, the US government has been scrambling to get their plan B running ...

For years, these two guys could never play well together, and had been trading barbs publicly, and now of a sudden both of them behave like angels

Either both of them gone bonkers, or someone much bigger than both of them combined has instructed them to play nice, or else ...

That's not so weird.. (2)

coldandcalculating (1311907) | about a year ago | (#44137563)

They are merely exchanging long protein strings.

Re:That's not so weird.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44140533)

If you can think of a simpler way, I'd like to hear it!

First Microsoft and now Salesforce (2)

binarylarry (1338699) | about a year ago | (#44137617)

This is truly the end of days, as written in the book of stallman.

mmm tasty tasty toenail

Idiot. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44140675)

This meme getting a bit tired by now, I guess?

A perfect example (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44137763)

Of two mice who have erected monoliths to looks down at everyone else, but they built them too high and can't even see their customer base anymore. I could not care less about their relationship status. I hope they friend each other on Facebook.

Play nice and get a good price (3, Insightful)

abirdman (557790) | about a year ago | (#44137845)

I would wager Salesforce negotiated a better price on their annual Oracle license renewals in exchange for plugging the product with Larry. Kaching!

Re:Play nice and get a good price (2)

NeutronCowboy (896098) | about a year ago | (#44137895)

But did they get enough of a good price to justify having everyone wonder wtf is going between Oracle and Salesforce? It's kinda hard to trash-talk the other team during a sales cycle if officially the captains of the two teams are best buddies.

Re:Play nice and get a good price (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44138539)

Oracle's recent acquisition of Eloqua might have been a factor as well, both as proof that Oracle is taking the business cloud seriously, AND in that Eloqua was a major partner of Salesforce in many ways, so it is in both sides' interest (for now) to continue to play nice to not lose or scare existing customers on those respective platforms because of potential changes in the other.

Re:Play nice and get a good price (1)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about a year ago | (#44139359)

It's kinda hard to trash-talk the other team during a sales cycle if officially the captains of the two teams are best buddies.

Oh no. Lawyers and politicians do this all the time. All fodder for the tabloid press to gobble up and distract us from the dirty deals.

Was PostgreSQL just a bargaining chip? (2)

dskoll (99328) | about a year ago | (#44137847)

So all the mutter about a Salesforce / PostgreSQL [] linkup was just to scare Oracle into being nicer? I guess it worked.

Re:Was PostgreSQL just a bargaining chip? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44138105)

is it at all possible they did this childish behavior as PR, because this type of publicity is free, and will only heighten others awareness of the 2 companies? When the reality is they both got along behind the scenes.

Not saying they did have dislikes over the way they did business, but that is most businesses.

Re:Was PostgreSQL just a bargaining chip? (1)

NeutronCowboy (896098) | about a year ago | (#44138197)

Not really. There were real projects inside Salesforce to move everything over to PostgreSQL. This could have been a good bargaining chip for Salesforce, and the rumored price tag for the rumored 9-year hardware deal of $300M is exceedingly cheap..... but it's one thing to get a good deal on hardware, and it's another one entirely to get in bed with one of your three biggest competitors.

Re:Was PostgreSQL just a bargaining chip? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44138615)

While Ellison might not have said it "It’s not enough that I succeed, everyone else must fail", Benioff should be careful and assume that is the way Ellison operates.

Re:Was PostgreSQL just a bargaining chip? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44142673)

Wouldn't it be great if Salesforce bought a bunch of Oracle hardware and then used it to run PostgreSQL?

Re:Was PostgreSQL just a bargaining chip? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44142611)

Ellison needs Benioff a lot more than Benioff needs Ellison right now, but he needs to watch his back.

Salesforce needs to be careful not to let too close contact w/ Oracle pollute the PostgreSQL ecosystem they are developing. I'm sure Oracle has all kinds of stupid patents on stupid database tricks, and I'm sure Larry wouldn't mind at all if PostgreSQL got tripped up by inadvertent inclusion of Oracle IP.

Long history (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44137871)

Wasn't started by ex-Oracle folks? And wasn't Larry Ellison one of their initial investors? []

Well, it might have something to do... (1)

almitydave (2452422) | about a year ago | (#44137957)

...with recent Supreme Court rulings. Times are a-changin'!

It's just diplomacy (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44137981)

It's like when leaders of the US, Russia, China, India, Brazil (pick any two) meet and hold a conference where they smile for the cameras and remark on the strength of the relationship between the two countries. It's just good business sense - you've got nothing to lose by doing that, and you might gain something. Plus, you impress the people at home for showing you can behave like a grownup.

the thing in common (1)

Mister Liberty (769145) | about a year ago | (#44138447)

is being sleezeballs.

YAWN (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44142011)

Just sayin'...

postgres (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44142485)

Salesforce just hired Tom Lane [] (top PostgreSQL developer) away from Redhat.

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