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280 comments

This is mostly outdated service (4, Interesting)

JustANormalGuy (2969843) | 1 year,9 days | (#44158811)

Visual Studio and other products have free versions now, so TechNet subscription is mostly outdated service. Visual Studio Express is the same great product that the full version of Visual Studio is, but is great for beginners. Visual Studio as a whole is a great product too. And, MSDN subscription is there too.

Combine that with subscription based Office and you have little reason to get TechNet.

Re:This is mostly outdated service (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,9 days | (#44158893)

I'm not convinced. The only bits we got on our volume license were most versions of windows. No Lync, sharepoint, forefront, CRM, yaddy yaddy ya

Re:This is mostly outdated service (2)

Virtucon (127420) | 1 year,9 days | (#44159185)

You didn't pay enough.

Re:This is mostly outdated service (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,9 days | (#44159905)

Who cares? Now we know how willingly Microsoft has cooperated with the NSA.

Windows has gone straight from being buggy to being bugged.

Just. Don't. Do. It.

Re:This is mostly outdated service (5, Informative)

Major Blud (789630) | 1 year,9 days | (#44158935)

Some of us like to create test labs that will outlast the 30-180 day expiration date associated with MS evaluation periods (such as with SQL Server or BizTalk). An MSDN susbscription is more expensive than TechNet by the order of several magnitude.

I'm not sure what's going on with MS these days. They release a monstrosity of a desktop OS (Win8), a sub-par hermaphrodite laptop/tablet to go with it (Surface), and they are now giving their loyal developers the finger.

Re:This is mostly outdated service (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,9 days | (#44158991)

by the order of several magnitude

I don't think that expression means what you think it means.

Re:This is mostly outdated service (1)

Lunix Nutcase (1092239) | 1 year,9 days | (#44159021)

So an MSDN subscription is either 19900 or 29900 dollars? Since when?

Re:This is mostly outdated service (5, Informative)

MadAndy (122592) | 1 year,9 days | (#44159199)

... for as long as I can remember!

Here in New Zealand, MSDN Ultimate is $26,369.00.

Better to fly first-class to the U.S. and pick one up for half the price. Understandably we're a little sour about it!

Re:This is mostly outdated service (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,9 days | (#44159365)

And over here in Debian land we just type apt-get install build-essential.

Re:This is mostly outdated service (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,9 days | (#44160021)

lol virginity

Re:This is mostly outdated service (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,9 days | (#44160051)

and then patiently wait for the Year of the Linux Desktop.

Re:This is mostly outdated service (1)

skegg (666571) | 1 year,9 days | (#44159773)

Ouch !!! [microsoft.com]

Though we also get screwed here in Australia.

Re:This is mostly outdated service (3, Informative)

mlawrence (1094477) | 1 year,9 days | (#44159229)

Actually *several* orders of magnitude would make it at least $199,000 or $299,000.

Re:This is mostly outdated service (1)

Lunix Nutcase (1092239) | 1 year,9 days | (#44159307)

Yes, my bad. I left out a zero.

Re:This is mostly outdated service (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,9 days | (#44159783)

Actually *several* orders of magnitude would make it at least $199,000 or $299,000.

Not in binary.

Re:This is mostly outdated service (5, Funny)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | 1 year,9 days | (#44159789)

Actually *several* orders of magnitude would make it at least $199,000 or $299,000.

This is slashdot, we use base 2, not base 10.

Re:This is mostly outdated service (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,9 days | (#44159969)

Full MSDN costs 13,000 for the first year, and a 4,000 per year subscription.

So at least the first year is 2 orders of magnitude greater.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/subscriptions/buy.aspx

Re:This is mostly outdated service (5, Insightful)

JDG1980 (2438906) | 1 year,9 days | (#44159027)

I'm not sure what's going on with MS these days. They release a monstrosity of a desktop OS (Win8), a sub-par hermaphrodite laptop/tablet to go with it (Surface), and they are now giving their loyal developers the finger.

The cynic in me thinks that Microsoft knows its desktop monopoly is becoming steadily less lucrative, so they want to squeeze out every last penny while they can. We all know that for years, many users got Technet subscriptions and ignored the "for testing only" proviso, instead using them as cheap installs for self, friends, and family. When Microsoft cared about desktop market share, this didn't bother them much, since they'd rather people use their software (even at low cost) instead of going to a competitor. Now, however, they have delusions of being a "device and service company" and want to cut the desktop loose. It's absurd, of course (the desktop is the only area that MS has any kind of real advantage over its competitors) but it is what Steve Ballmer thinks.

Re:This is mostly outdated service (5, Insightful)

Common Joe (2807741) | 1 year,9 days | (#44159653)

The change in Technet doesn't affect me personally (as I'm a developer), but I'm at a life change right now and I need to change and update my programming skills. The question is, what should I be looking to do with my life?

When Microsoft pulls stunts like this, I take notice and I know I'm not the only one. Why would I want to invest my time and money into a sinking ship? I have 20 to 25 more years of development before I retire and right now I'm a .NET developer. C# is a pretty good language, but Microsoft is screwing up so much else, I don't really see how businesses are going to continue to support Microsoft. When those businesses drop Microsoft, it's going to go fast and my ability to get and keep a good paying job will go with it.

Microsoft, are you listening? Technet doesn't affect me directly, but I see this. You know that whole thing with Windows 8.0 and 8.1 and the no-start menu? That affected me and I started changing he advice I gave to people. Then there are the things that do affect me greatly. I called you a few months ago when I was investigating possibilities for my future and you gave me shitty advice because your own people couldn't figure out your own licensing. A word of warning: You have really big problems. You think you hide your issues from us? Tell us things are ok? Lie to us? Tell us that "Metro" which can only hog the whole screen is really a good thing? Think again. We can see your failures and piece together what is really going on behind your closed doors. We can smell how sick your company is and its really repugnant. People like me determine in the workforce which languages and operating systems to use. We play around with this stuff at work and at home. You really think you're going to squeeze us with UEFI and Technet? Your company is dying and we the tech people know it and we're going to start whispering that to our bosses and quietly switching away from you. You are not safe. The momentum is shifting and when it really gets going in the other direction you won't be able to stop it. You still have time to fix this, but you're being brain-dead stupid. Start listening to us because we sure as hell are listening and watching you.

Re:This is mostly outdated service (1)

aztracker1 (702135) | 1 year,9 days | (#44159867)

You may want to take a little time to look into some non-sql databases (Redis, RethinkDB, MongoDB, Couch etc...) as well as another server-side platform (NodeJS, Python) ...

Re:This is mostly outdated service (1)

MickyTheIdiot (1032226) | 1 year,9 days | (#44159733)

Do you know what the biggest indicator will be that they are not going to rely on the Desktop OS to be the cash cow?

If they release Office for Android.

If they do that then they will be admiting that Office is where they're going to make money and the OS will just be a secondary operation. The reason they are scared as crap to release Office on multiple platforms isn't because they can't do it, it's because they are scared of migration when Corporate Robots learn they aren't stuck with Windows to use their precious Excel documents.

Re: This is mostly outdated service (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,9 days | (#44160037)

Actually, it's more likely that MS just don't want to share Office revenues with their arch rivals Google and Apple.

Re:This is mostly outdated service (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,9 days | (#44159051)

TechNet was never for developers. It was for sys admins/IT professionals.

Re:This is mostly outdated service (1)

zzottt (629458) | 1 year,9 days | (#44159845)

Mod this up!

Re:This is mostly outdated service (4, Funny)

FatdogHaiku (978357) | 1 year,9 days | (#44159381)

...a sub-par hermaphrodite laptop/tablet to go with it (Surface)...

They knew people were going to say it could go fuck itself... so this is really a time saving feature...

Re:This is mostly outdated service (2)

hairyfeet (841228) | 1 year,9 days | (#44159415)

Its the same thing that fucked the game companies...greed. They also tightened the rules on MSDN [zdnet.com] to "fight piracy" while ignoring the simple fact that PIRATES DON'T BUY SUBSCRIPTIONS!!!!

Its the same stupid shit as EA, they just fuck the paying customers while the pirates just bypass the bullshit. Pirates can get ANY version hassle free without giving them a cent, so WTF MSFT?

Re:This is mostly outdated service (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,9 days | (#44159493)

They also tightened the rules on MSDN [zdnet.com] to "fight piracy" while ignoring the simple fact that PIRATES DON'T BUY SUBSCRIPTIONS!!!!

And Slashdot posters DON'T READ THE ARTICLES.

To make matters worse, that smoking deal was also a boon for software pirates, who figured out long ago that they could subscribe to TechNet and sell the keys (sometimes along with counterfeit media) via the web, at prices that were too good to be true.

Notice, that's the traditional for-profit type of pirate, not your average P2Per.

Re:This is mostly outdated service (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,9 days | (#44159629)

counterfeiting != piracy

Re:This is mostly outdated service (1)

Gadget_Guy (627405) | 1 year,9 days | (#44160055)

counterfeiting != piracy

The unauthorised copying and distribution of copyright works is exactly what the term means, and has done so since at least the 17th century. I am sure you old-timers who predate this usage probably still complain about this. Frankly, you would serve the planet better if, instead of your pendantry over this one use of this word, that you shared the secret of your longevity.

Re: This is mostly outdated service (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,9 days | (#44159541)

Most people I know wouldn't bother with the effort if I couldn't get them a free technet copy

Next time ill just tell them to buy a Mac or get a free version of office

Re:This is mostly outdated service (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,9 days | (#44158987)

Do you work for MS?

There is a difference between Visual Studio Express and Visual Studio TF. There is a difference between MS Office and Office 365. Please explain why Technet is obsolete because of those products.

Re:This is mostly outdated service (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,9 days | (#44158995)

MSDN subscriptions are at least 3x the cost of a TechNet subscription. The point of the TechNet was that you were not a developer, you were an integration tester.

Re:This is mostly outdated service (4, Insightful)

Sir_Sri (199544) | 1 year,9 days | (#44159473)

This.

From TFA it sounds like they're moving more to a 'you only need it for X number of days to do that sort of integration testing, or you can buy one license if you need more time'. If you need a lot of time and a lot of licenses to build an application that's what MSDN is for.

Ultimately it's just a way to raise the price. Fair enough, if you think the price is too low on your product you're free to raise it and see if the market adjusts. I can see the problem they were getting into as more and more people were probably buying a technet license for their home family offices and parents and that sort of thing, which was costing MS money. I think they probably realized that when they dropped the price of Office Home and student people were.. well, willing to actually buy it. Rather than all these stupid deals where you got it through an employer or through school or the like (or you just pirated it). This way, you go into a store, you pay your money and you go home with it. No special program arrangements on MS end etc. Technet is/was a tremendously good deal, it was quasi legit enough that they couldn't justify trying to enforce the license, and that's the problem. Most of those people will continue to pay, so MS will try and charge them more money for it.

Re:This is mostly outdated service (5, Insightful)

Morpeth (577066) | 1 year,9 days | (#44159019)

It's patently obvious you have NEVER had a TechNet subscription -- especially if you think all there is to it is Office and a light version of VS.

This is a serious drag, especially for contractors/consultants, small shops, and MS developers of all kinds

Re:This is mostly outdated service (4, Informative)

jones_supa (887896) | 1 year,9 days | (#44159043)

Visual Studio and other products have free versions now, so TechNet subscription is mostly outdated service. Visual Studio Express is the same great product that the full version of Visual Studio is, but is great for beginners. Visual Studio as a whole is a great product too. And, MSDN subscription is there too.

Visual Studio 2013 Preview [microsoft.com] just came out of the oven, too.

Re:This is mostly outdated service (1)

Nadaka (224565) | 1 year,9 days | (#44159177)

There are a crap ton of features missing from the free version of vs.

Re:This is mostly outdated service (1)

jones_supa (887896) | 1 year,9 days | (#44159361)

The full versions is also available for testing.

Re:This is mostly outdated service (0)

Wookact (2804191) | 1 year,9 days | (#44159209)

Thanks! We can always count on JustANormalShill !

Re:This is mostly outdated service (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,9 days | (#44159211)

Visual Studio Express is the same great product that the full version of Visual Studio is, but is great for beginners.

This sounds great until you read the license agreement where it says that it is illegal to use Visual Studio Express for commercial purposes. And also, it's half the same great product that the full version of Visual Studio is, because the x64 compiler is omitted in VS Express.

Re:This is mostly outdated service (1)

EvilSS (557649) | 1 year,9 days | (#44159291)

Visual Studio Express is the same great product that the full version of Visual Studio is, but is great for beginners.

This sounds great until you read the license agreement where it says that it is illegal to use Visual Studio Express for commercial purposes..

This is not true. There is no restriction for using VS Express editions for commercial development.

Re:This is mostly outdated service (2)

hairyfeet (841228) | 1 year,9 days | (#44159213)

Technet was great for testing OSes though, you could try just about any MSFT OS, desktop or server, and you'd have enough time to really put it through its paces. Also having it all at a single place makes it easier, losing Technet is frankly gonna suck.

Re:This is mostly outdated service (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,9 days | (#44159295)

Visual Studio Express editions are not a substitute for the real, combined Visual Studio You-Paid-How-Much? Edition(no "s").

If you have a solution that contains a database project, a C# WCF service, and a web application using Razor, you can't use the Express editions to manage that in any useful or meaningful way. VS Express is either a demo or is for "developers" that don't care about sane architecture and aren't doing this for money. It is most certainly not "the same great product that the full version of Visual Studio is".

And a subscription to Office (only!) costs about what TechNet did, so that's in the less-value-for-more-money category, too.

Re:This is mostly outdated service (1)

TheRealMindChild (743925) | 1 year,9 days | (#44159477)

Resource View isn't even available in Express editions, so you can't even edit a dialog.

Re:This is mostly outdated service (1)

Starteck81 (917280) | 1 year,9 days | (#44159483)

Visual Studio and other products have free versions now, so TechNet subscription is mostly outdated service. Visual Studio Express is the same great product that the full version of Visual Studio is, but is great for beginners. Visual Studio as a whole is a great product too. And, MSDN subscription is there too. Combine that with subscription based Office and you have little reason to get TechNet.

You mean other than the fact that it costs considerably more for the MSDN subscription to get the same level of service. I went and looked at their free technet downloads and found the selection lacking, considerably. They only put in the main products so if I want to practice with MDT, MDOP, or any number of other smaller expansion packs I have to go with a much more expensive MSDN subscription. That complaint is secondary only to the fact that I can't do anything complicated with what is available because the trial times are all different for each product they have posted up. So I get my VM environment set up with a domain cluster and then want to try standing up SCCM, WDS, MDT and PKI to learn how to manage that kind of a setup I can't do it anymore. The system expires before I ever get close to setting up any kind a robust lab. If you're just doing a few one off labs like the ones you find in the exam prep books then this strategy might be fine for you. However, for those of us that use it to really get familiar with the products, this is hugely limiting. We either have to spend thousands more a year or we just have to rebuild our labs every time the trial expires, which will be a huge headache.

I hope a good tech witch comes and puts a spell on Ballmer that makes him shit Windows 8 brick phones until he learns to listen to customers.

Re:This is mostly an astroturf post (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,9 days | (#44159941)

I fixed your subject line for you

Re:This is mostly outdated service (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,9 days | (#44159965)

Incorrect. Technet was the only place to legally get older software from MS for migration and other testing. Exchange 2003, SQL 2000, Office 2000, etc, all the way back to DOS and Windows 3.11. The new model they are suggesting only allows you to download time-limited test versions of what has been recently released. So now, if you have a test lab setup and tweaked the way you wanted, it would likely expire before you complete testing or move on to other projects.

Boohoo. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,9 days | (#44158939)

Just use Linux you whiny, Wintard fucks. "Waaah! Waaaah! Microshit will no longer give me cheap crack for my dumbass MCSE self!!! Woe is me!!!" Learn to use a real OS or GTFO of the business.

Real Slashdotters don't care! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,9 days | (#44158951)

Real Slashdotters don't care about Microsoft TechNet you insensitive clod!

Office? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,9 days | (#44158997)

So where will I get office for all my PC's for cheap now? Technet was a great, somewhat legal way to use MS software at home for a decent price.

Re:Office? (0)

CronoCloud (590650) | 1 year,9 days | (#44159107)

For home use, where 100 percent perfect compatibility for some of the more esoteric features isn't really needed, there is this thing calle LibreOffice. You may have heard of it.

Heck if you don't need Calc, you can use AbiWord.

Re:Office? (2)

X0563511 (793323) | 1 year,9 days | (#44159215)

I guess you get to either pay-up, or go cold-turkey and join the Libreoffice club.

Oh look, MS is shooting themselves in the foot again.

A monumentally bad idea (4, Insightful)

onyxruby (118189) | 1 year,9 days | (#44159009)

This has got be the third dumbest idea Microsoft has had in the last decade (Windows 8.0 and the f*cking the start button in Windows 8.1 being the first two). Microsoft Technet was a relatively cheap way for people that made a career out of Microsoft products to get their products for a reasonable price.

This allowed for two very important things, first it allowed for the ecosystem to be license compliant which made it easier to stay in the habit of being license compliant while at work work. The second thing it did was allow workers exposure to products to gain access for skills development. Workers that have exposure to products tends to push for the products that they are familiar with at work.

It's all about the ecosystem, and TechNet was absolutely brilliant for supporting the ecosystem of workers that support their products in the work place. Sure, you can follow their suggestion to switch over to the much more expensive MSDN subscription, but for most workers that is simply too expensive for a personal salary. Microsoft is shooting themselves in the foot for exploitation of the very people the very workers that make their success possible to begin with in the first place.

Re:A monumentally bad idea (2)

rennerik (1256370) | 1 year,9 days | (#44159103)

I think what they're trying to do is move people over to the evaluations, which is really what TechNet was *supposed* to be for. Sure, the license keys you got with it allowed you to "indefinitely evaluate" their software (in a lab environment, or whatever), but with some trials lasting as long as half a year, it's kind of become redundant.

Re:A monumentally bad idea (1)

HideyoshiJP (1392619) | 1 year,9 days | (#44159331)

Not really. Not if you have several projects over the next few years and don't want to have to set up your Server 2012 domain over and over and over again...

Re:A monumentally bad idea (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,9 days | (#44159113)

This. This so so much. It is so stupid what they are doing.

I just knew someone pretty much the other day saying how he was thinking of getting in to doing exactly this, but now that TechNet is going, he is very likely going to not do that at all now.

Microsoft seem to want all the smaller developers to just die, even if they were WORKING for them or with their products.

They seriously need to fire whatever ass is actually making these decisions, they are genuinely terrible at business.
I can't even comprehend what moron decided this was a good idea.

Re:A monumentally bad idea (5, Interesting)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | 1 year,9 days | (#44159489)

This has got be the third dumbest idea Microsoft has had in the last decade

Hey, as someone who competes against proprietary solutions (including Microsoft) with Free Software solutions, I wholeheartedly endorse this change!

What I frequently see is businesses that hire a developer to code a solution, and that developer has Technet, so he chooses whatever technology he thinks is best on there, and then when the customer gets ready to deploy it, they find a chain of Microsoft dependencies that all need licensing and CAL's, and often get roped into a software maintenance agreement for 5+digits over their initial cost estimate. Often it gets big enough to require new hardware and a virtualization solution too.

I get "second-opinion" work from them, but it's often too late to do anything else. I've heard of some (that I don't work with) who 'just get Technet' too.

If there's a silver lining, it's that I often get first-crack at the next project. But either way, this is a great decision on Microsoft's part as far as I'm concerned!

Re: A monumentally bad idea (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,9 days | (#44159643)

I'm sure that use of technetium was exactly the plan. But now its time for those developers to pony up for the more expensive option.... But that means they can make more expensive SOLUTIONS too! Profit!

Re:A monumentally bad idea (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,9 days | (#44159883)

What I frequently see is businesses that hire a developer to code a solution, and that developer has Technet, so he chooses whatever technology he thinks is best on there, and then when the customer gets ready to deploy it, they find a chain of Microsoft dependencies that all need licensing and CAL's, and often get roped into a software maintenance agreement for 5+digits over their initial cost estimate. Often it gets big enough to require new hardware and a virtualization solution too.

Hopefully this will cause more developers to look at other technology chains. Specifically I mean open source solutions.

Re:A monumentally bad idea (4, Interesting)

s.petry (762400) | 1 year,9 days | (#44159495)

It is a way to turn a quick buck and show the shareholders that MS can make money with something other than XBox. Let us look at the long list of garbage shareholders are dealing with at MS.

Windows Phone is a dud, Windows 8 was simply horrible and I'm not sure if they can make it work. They keep pumping money into advertising, and people keep pulling out the old MAC vs. PC commercial telling them how stupid that tactic was and still is.

Server is still losing market share to Linux and Desktops are losing market share to tablets, phones, and MAC computers. It was never a boom town, but Exchange and Outlook was cheaper than Lotus Notes so people went that route.

IIS never saw huge adoption, but the reduced server footprint means that more webapp servers are moving to something other than MS products. Office and other productivity software has been stagnant for over a decade.

Bing is still a joke, and as with Windows 8 they keep paying people to tell you how good it is when we all see what the search engine market looks like.

So this is a way of them screwing people in order to turn a quick buck. Even if it shoots their own foot off, they don't care. I have two words for people thinking that they do care, which is "Windows 8".

All in all, I believe that this is a good thing! While it has taken a long time for justice to happen, and the failure of the US Justice system to make happen, Capitalism is killing off a monopoly all on it's own. It's going to be a slow and painful death, but a well deserved one. It also shows that a corrupt justice system just makes things worse! If they would have done their job in the first place and chunked them up like AT&T, they might still be thriving as several separate companies. (I emphasize the "might" there because it is a rhetorical fallacy to make a claim.)

Herding all devs over to Azure (4, Interesting)

Freshly Exhumed (105597) | 1 year,9 days | (#44159515)

Rod Trent over at http://windowsitpro.com/windows/dead-microsoft-technet [windowsitpro.com] speculates on the TechNet shutdown that "...in a Cloud world, this makes a lot of sense. Those wanting to test new software can simply spin-up a Microsoft Azure-hosted VM, completely configured for the application they want to try-out or through the use of TechNet Virtual Labs. These days, using Microsoft Azure, a testing lab can be setup and running in minutes with just a mouse click."

Plausible, but risky if/when devs don't like it.

Re:Herding all devs over to Azure (1)

PRMan (959735) | 1 year,9 days | (#44160053)

If you don't mind your dev code out in the cloud. What could possibly go wrong?

Will be missed (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,9 days | (#44159017)

I for one am a TechNet Subscriber and I am very disappointed at the loss of this wonderful tool. I missed the boat on a Free TechNet in 2000 when I earned my first MCSE ( They changed the policy a couple of months before). Now it will be gone. Really 30-180 trials do not fit the need in how the product was intended and how it is being used. I keep a full non-production environment in a test lab at home. Exchange, Web, SQL etc. When new products come out that is where the go first. Reloading 180 days is not an option. Neither is footing the cost for all of those products and MSDN costs too much as well.

1998? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,9 days | (#44159031)

I had TechNet before 1998. They would send out a disc every month or quarter and is was just a knowledgebase. They had some betas and evals, but nothing compared to MSDN. I think it only cost $150 per year per person. Is this TechNet they are mentioning a different thing? I know I had it before 1998 because I had it for years before leaving a job in 1998. And it wasn't something new.

They're shooting themselves in the foot (4, Interesting)

Vrtigo1 (1303147) | 1 year,9 days | (#44159037)

Technet was very reasonably priced at a couple hundred bucks a year and that got you access to almost everything Microsoft makes. Of course, you couldn't use it for production, but for testing, etc it was great. As a sysadmin, I don't want to pay 5-10x as much for an MSDN subscription because I just want the software, I could care less about the development stuff.

So at the end of the day, what Microsoft will see is less money from me when I turn to other sources to get the MS software I need for testing purposes. I know guys at other companies with MSDN universal subscriptions and they're happy to share their login info.

Re:They're shooting themselves in the foot (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,9 days | (#44159183)

This has the smell of MBA all over it. Some pencil dick middle saw the technet service service and decided to can it because it wasn't a "profit center" or thought it competed with real licensing, or it just wasn't profitable as a whole.

Nevermind that being able to test millions of dollars of software leads directly to sales of millions of dollars of software. Fuck. They should be GIVING away technet subscriptions.

Re:They're shooting themselves in the foot (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,9 days | (#44159583)

Disagree about the MBA part. This likely goes way up the food chain. If they don't backpedal (which of course they always do), then this is a new Microsoft that we're watching unfold. Meaning they're panicking badly and the new ventures are in much worse shape than originally thought (mobile, tablets, Window Store, etc.).

Re:They're shooting themselves in the foot (4, Insightful)

hairyfeet (841228) | 1 year,9 days | (#44159373)

Meh most of the guys i know ended up either going MSDN or just getting pirate version, hell the pirate versions of some of their stuff is frankly better than what they offer (they really need to hire the guys that make the "Tiny" versions, stomps the hell out of their embedded products) so it won't be a GREAT loss, but it does show just how far disconnect has infected their company. They seem to be cutting their noses to spite their face and burning bridges where frankly it doesn't make any damned sense. technet was not only a site for software but for tools and "how to" instructions so losing a one stop shop for no real reason just doesn't make sense.

Re:They're shooting themselves in the foot (3, Interesting)

gbjbaanb (229885) | 1 year,9 days | (#44159503)

They're doing something similar with MSDN, now to get a couple of new toys you need to get the Premium edition (which is 5x the cost of Professional). eg. To get TFS, you can have Professional... but to get all the features like the code review stuff they've been heavily plugging, you need Premium.

I think its just a ploy to squeeze more revenue out of us all, without us noticing until its too late.

Re:They're shooting themselves in the foot (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,9 days | (#44159877)

I know guys at other companies with MSDN universal subscriptions and they're happy to share their login info.

Clearly, you are a Terrorist. Conspiracy to commit EULA violations is a felony, and the NSA has probably already informed their DMCA tiger team of your whereabouts. Prepare to "disappear" to the Guantanamo Bay Resort & Spa.

Captain obvious strikes... (4, Interesting)

Synerg1y (2169962) | 1 year,9 days | (#44159049)

For an annual subscription fee of a few hundred dollars, subscribers get the right to download virtually all of the desktop and server software Microsoft sells, with multiple product keys. The software is licensed for evaluation purposes only, but that restriction is part of the license agreement and not enforced in the software itself.

Could it be they're trying to cut pirating / abuse as a business entity to raise license sales? Nah, it's a conspiracy to spite the users.. ya that's it.

Re:Captain obvious strikes... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,9 days | (#44159405)

Could it be they're trying to cut pirating / abuse as a business entity to raise license sales? Nah, it's a conspiracy to spite the users.. ya that's it.

If so, it is once again proof that all businesses are only capable of "preventing pirating/abuse" by hurting their paying customers, which generally also does absolutely nothing to stop pirating or abuse.

Re:Captain obvious strikes... (2)

Synerg1y (2169962) | 1 year,9 days | (#44159593)

Right... they look at how much they're making on technet, and then look at a estimate of how much they may be losing when the test environment becomes the production environment and licenses aren't upgraded. When B is greater than A, the program gets cut.

Re:Captain obvious strikes... (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,9 days | (#44159459)

Could it be they're trying to cut pirating / abuse as a business entity to raise license sales?

Could it? Let's see...

With technet: Microsoft makes $200/year off me, and my test lab (that isn't connected to the LAN let alone the Internet) is completely non-pirate software.

Without technet: Microsoft makes $200/year less off me, and my test lab (that isn't connected to the LAN let alone the Internet) will now consist of pirated software.

If their goal was to lower piracy to raise profits, they sure as hell just cause the exact opposite situation to happen!

Re:Captain obvious strikes... (2)

couchslug (175151) | 1 year,9 days | (#44159475)

Pirating will happen anyway, and MSFT of all software companies knows (or knew) how to benefit from "market chumming".

Seems they forgot how Office 97 slaughtered the competition by being so convenient to copy from the CDs borrowed from work.

I want to see MSFT screw users good and hard because I don't care for the company. Large hardware dongles keyed to each application would be just dandy.

Re:Captain obvious strikes... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,9 days | (#44159517)

Could it be they're trying to cut pirating / abuse as a business entity to raise license sales?

Of course... but they're cutting off their nose to spite their face. Pirates already pirated, and will continue to do so.

Re:Captain obvious strikes... (2)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | 1 year,9 days | (#44159825)

Could it be they're trying to cut pirating / abuse as a business entity to raise license sales? Nah, it's a conspiracy to spite the users.. ya that's it.

Of course they don't intend to spite the users - nobody running a company ever puts fucking over their users as a business goal. It's disingenuous to suggest otherwise.

The problem happens when they forget to include "not fucking over users" as a business goal and so they end up doing just that as a side-effect of otherwise well-intentioned decisions.

Re:Captain obvious strikes... (1)

Synerg1y (2169962) | 1 year,9 days | (#44159967)

I'm sure they acknowledge that they're going to lose some users over this. However, from a business POV the users they're losing are bottom tier for them, so they are indicating that they're losing more from piracy and unlicensed production use from this program than what they're gaining from the users.

A few bad apples don't spoil the bunch, but when most of them are rotten, you throw it away right?

It's also unreasonable to expect a commercial publicly traded business to continue all programs forever, their loyalty isn't to the user, but to the stock holder... and if the stock holders are losing money... well they're the most important from a business POV.

DEVELOPERS!! DEVELOPERS!! DEVELOPERS!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,9 days | (#44159065)

FUCK YOU!!

Morons in charge. (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,9 days | (#44159093)

Hey Bob! I've got a great idea! You know how we've been looking for a way to alienate our professional costumers even more?
Yeah Bill! That Metro UI was awesome! Completely un-manageable in an Enterprise network, of no use to existing software, and a gaping security hole all in one!
Well Bob you'll love this! You know that really useful service we provide to admins and IT departments that lets them have access to our vast library of software for testing and evaluation? You know, so they don't have to cough up millions of dollars in duplicate licenses for the their test environment? Let's can it!
That's brilliant Bill! I knew it was a great idea to put you in charge of the xbox one project!

Obummer (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,9 days | (#44159127)

LOL Obummer promised us hope and change and now look how things turned out!

Gotta hate equally. (2)

JustAnotherIdiot (1980292) | 1 year,9 days | (#44159151)

Microsoft hasn't been hating on their partners enough lately, too much on their customers.
Thanks for remembering us, Microsoft!

That sucks (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,9 days | (#44159251)

Visual Studio Ultimate with MSDN -$13,299.00

That really burns if your company doesnt pay for it automatically.
So any of you thinking of coming to the dark side? $0 jdk, $0 eclipse? or $499 for a commercial liscense of intellij?

Re:That sucks (2)

Lunix Nutcase (1092239) | 1 year,9 days | (#44159379)

TechNet subscriptions don't include Visual Studio anyways. So your comparison to the highest priced MSDN tier is pretty disingenuous. If you need dev tools you would have always needed to buy at least the MSDN Visual Studio Professional which is $1200.

Re:That sucks (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,9 days | (#44160017)

So you guys didn't even have tools to develop a website? I assumed it was the full deal. Was it just the servers evaluation licenses that it paid for?

technet demise (0)

jdmuskrat (1463759) | 1 year,9 days | (#44159261)

bye bye MS, hello Linux! MS steals all there ideas anyway, so why bother with them. except for my current job, i would not touch MS. glad I retire in a couple of years.

Whatever happened to... (3, Insightful)

lord_mike (567148) | 1 year,9 days | (#44159323)

"Developers! Developers! Developers!" I guess that with their obsession of trying to be everything Apple, they've decided to abandon everything that made Microsoft successful. Is the management team just panicking and throwing crap at the wall to see what sticks?

Re:Whatever happened to... (0, Troll)

kimvette (919543) | 1 year,9 days | (#44159349)

Is the management team just panicking and throwing crap at the wall to see what sticks?

if a Ballmer looks like a monkey, walks like a monkey, and throws poo like a monkey. . .

Re:Whatever happened to... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,9 days | (#44159505)

But a monkey doesn't throw chairs.

Re:Whatever happened to... (2, Informative)

Lunix Nutcase (1092239) | 1 year,9 days | (#44159391)

TechNet wasn't for developers as it didn't include things like Visual Studio.

shooting self in foot? (2)

roc97007 (608802) | 1 year,9 days | (#44159417)

> Unfortunately, the days of a cheap, unlimited Microsoft development stack are coming to an end.

...followed by a sharp decrease in Microsoft development.

Part of the grand scheme (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,9 days | (#44159469)

As microsoft is transforming itself to a SaaS company (particularly for enterprises) there will be less and less need for TechNet. This is but a step to get a segment (lower-end) of the enterprise market thinking in that way.

Best Time to Switch to the Competition (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,9 days | (#44159499)

Unfortunately, the days of a cheap, unlimited Microsoft development stack are coming to an end.

Fortunately, other cheap/free unlimited stacks are readily available:

Android [android.com]

Java [netbeans.org]

Linux Mint [linuxmint.com]

So long Microsoft, don't let the door hit you in your parity bits on the way out.

Moron Alert! Moron Alert! (1)

gestalt_n_pepper (991155) | 1 year,9 days | (#44159637)

(Or, What can a clueless Microsoft management fuck up this week?)

Microsoft wants to cut down on piracy of its development tools.

All Java developement tools are free.

SharpDevelop is free.

Any questions?

Re:Moron Alert! Moron Alert! (1)

thetoastman (747937) | 1 year,9 days | (#44159973)

Yep, good Java development tools are free (won't start the NetBeans versus Eclipse flamefest here).

Java application servers are free. Pick one, many are good, and you can buy support if you want it.

For those people stuck with .NET, SharpDevelop is free. I'm learning how to integrate .NET, IIS, and a servlet application. The boilerplate configuration is pretty easy. What I'm working on now is learning enough .NET to create a non-trivial application, and integrate that with the existing servlet application. My only real issue with SharpDevelop is that it doesn't appear to have a packaging option so I can create a zip file and import it into my IIS server. If SharpDevelop provided that, I'd be set.

Does SharpDevelop compete well with Visual Studio Professional and above? It doesn't appear to. However, it's not $500+ to obtain, either.

Microsoft doesn't want to be bothered... (1)

gestalt_n_pepper (991155) | 1 year,9 days | (#44159709)

...with the OS or the language platform anymore. Not enough long term profit in it. They want to be a sort of Cloud/HP/Apple. They want to be a smartphone/tablet and internet based business services vendor and that's it. There's apparently just not enough profit in the OS or supporting application developers.

Why don't they just admit it so we can all move on? Linux awaits.

predicted new service (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,9 days | (#44159797)

online cloud-based virtual lab environment for $999 per user per year that gives access most of the same software, but all running on microsoft's "cloud".

Go ahead Microsoft and kill yourself faster! (1)

arfonrg (81735) | 1 year,9 days | (#44159827)

They seem to have forgotten: "Developers developers developers... developers developers developers... developers developers developers..."

Good job MS :) (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,9 days | (#44159833)

Well, Microsoft is finally turning the screws on a large swath of people that used MS software in creative ways.
Professionals will of course pay, the others thrown out on a street. No more playing with free time unlimited MS software.
So now the choice is pay or use other software solutions. But people that for 20+ years have been indoctrinated to use MS software without paying for it (or paying very very little for it) find that detoxification is difficult hence all the cries "either this or I'll pirate it". Guys guys, Microsoft doesn't give a flying fuck if you pirate their software. The important thing is you can't pirate MS in a business setting or in a professional setting.
I love Microsoft, they should have done this ages ago. Oh well it's never to late to redeem itself.

Developers developers developers (1)

gatkinso (15975) | 1 year,9 days | (#44159897)

Oh well, so much for that theory.

The Best (1)

The Cat (19816) | 1 year,9 days | (#44160023)

Visual Basic 5.0 Professional was the best product Microsoft ever made.

Farewell, my old friend.

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