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Bolivian President's Plane 'Rerouted Over Snowden Suspicions'

Unknown Lamer posted 1 year,25 days | from the plot-continues-to-thicken dept.

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niftydude writes with the latest news on the Edward Snowden saga. It appears that the Bolivian President's plane was denied access to French and Spanish airspace due to suspicions that Snowden was on board. Quoting a few pieces from the Guardian: "In an extraordinary move, France and Portugal revoked flight clearances for the Bolivian President's plane on Tuesday after representations were reportedly made by the U.S. State Department. Mr Morales was flying home from an energy conference in Moscow and his aircraft was hastily rerouted to Vienna, Austria. Bolivian Foreign Minister David Choquehuanca angrily denied that Mr Snowden was on the President's aircraft, a fact later confirmed by Austrian authorities, and said France and Portugal would have to explain why they abruptly canceled authorization for the flight. AP reports that Venezuela's foreign minister Elias Jaua has condemned the decision by France and Portugal to block the plane from its airspace. He claimed that changing a flight's route without checking on how much fuel was left in the plane, put Morales' life at risk." Spain claims they only agreed to allow the plane to refuel there if it were subject to search, and France did end up authorizing use of their air space today. In related news, Julian Assange and the general secretary of Reporters Without Borders Christophe Deloire published an Op-Ed today why Europe must protect Snowden. And: dryriver sends news that Ecuador discovered that their embassy in London was bugged, describing the incident as "another instance of a loss of ethics at the international level in relations between governments."

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621 comments

God it feels good to be an American!!!!!!! (5, Funny)

TWiTfan (2887093) | 1 year,25 days | (#44177389)

My country's dick is so fucking big that we can have entire continents close off their airspace! Jesus, I want to snort a mountain of coke and fuck my wife's sister!!!

Re:God it feels good to be an American!!!!!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,25 days | (#44177421)

I want to snort a mountain of coke and fuck my wife's sister!!!

Just do it bro; no-one's going to stop you!

spy novel (4, Funny)

noh8rz9 (2716595) | 1 year,25 days | (#44177901)

I love all this Snowden stuff... it's like a real life John LeCarre novel! Let me go get the popcorn...

Re:God it feels good to be an American!!!!!!! (5, Insightful)

dyingtolive (1393037) | 1 year,25 days | (#44177423)

"Home of the brave, land of calling for the assassination of anyone who pulls back the veneer hiding the relentless authoritarianism" just didn't have the same ring, I guess.

Re:God it feels good to be an American!!!!!!! (5, Interesting)

i kan reed (749298) | 1 year,25 days | (#44177633)

It'll be fun when we slaughter a political dissenter who was forced to flee to a south American country on July 4. So much freedom!

Maybe we should use an axe to kill him. That won't, in any way, draw parallels to anything else that happened in history.

Re:God it feels good to be an American!!!!!!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,25 days | (#44177897)

Maybe it should be:

"Home of the brave, land of relentless hyperbole"

Assassination? Like they have assassinated Julian Assange? Or Bradley Manning?

If he doesn't succeed in escaping to one of the People's Boliviarian Republics of Bananastan, then he's going to rot in jail for about a decade and then get out and write a book or something.

Re:God it feels good to be an American!!!!!!! (-1, Troll)

jcr (53032) | 1 year,25 days | (#44177947)

Oh, look: the minions are here.

Fuck you, and everyone you work with in the propaganda department.

-jcr

Re:God it feels good to be an American!!!!!!! (5, Informative)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | 1 year,25 days | (#44177929)

A'int no "home of the free". The US has more people incarcerated - per capita and in raw number - than any nation on Earth, or even in all of human history!

While accounting for a mere 5% of the global population, the US has an aggregated 25% of the world's prisoners, and is growing this at a consistent, exponential rate.

You have states, like Louisiana, where one out of every 55 people in the state is a prisoner for the duration of a year or more.

We make China look like amateur hour. Stalin? a blip.

Now. How can anyone argue that there's no such thing as "brainwashing", or that it only works on stupid or ignorant people?

Re:God it feels good to be an American!!!!!!! (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,25 days | (#44177455)

America: Fuck Yeah!

Re:God it feels good to be an American!!!!!!! (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,25 days | (#44177579)

What you gonna do when we bug you!

NSA?! - Fuck Yeah!!
Weapons of Mass Destruction?! - Fuck Yeah!!
Obama's Drones?! - Fuck Yeah!!
Mission Accomplished?! - Fuck Yeah!!
Fox News?! - Fuck Yeah!!
Hollywood?! Fuck Yeah!!
Stuxnet?! - Fuck Yeah!!

If Snowden was a Chinese gangster or (1, Insightful)

future assassin (639396) | 1 year,25 days | (#44177477)

had a criminal past we in Canada would let me stay and give him refugee status.

Re:If Snowden was a Chinese gangster or (1)

tnk1 (899206) | 1 year,25 days | (#44177917)

I think he was in Hong Kong to get his Chinese gangster credentials, but he realized the hard way that in China, pimpin' ain't easy.

Re:God it feels good to be an American!!!!!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,25 days | (#44177479)

Was this sarcastic or a manifestation of the most brainless form of american hubris ? Bad things inevitably happen when you go that route.

Re:God it feels good to be an American!!!!!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,25 days | (#44177755)

Really, you can't tell?

Re:God it feels good to be an American!!!!!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,25 days | (#44177517)

I know, right? Remember back when Bush was president and this shit was so uncool? THANK GOD THAT'S OVER!

Re:God it feels good to be an American!!!!!!! (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,25 days | (#44177699)

Actually, it was brave, patriotic and glorious when Bush was president. Now everyone is screaming about it. Why is that?

Re:God it feels good to be an American!!!!!!! (1)

evil_aaronm (671521) | 1 year,25 days | (#44177829)

Exactly. For the most part, Obama is doing the same thing, maybe even moreso, than Bush, and yet, "real Americans" who loved Bush hate him. Why is that?

Re:God it feels good to be an American!!!!!!! (1)

DexterIsADog (2954149) | 1 year,25 days | (#44177971)

Actually, "moreso" over the top. I voted for him twice, but I'm dismayed at how far overboard he's gone with the "pragmatic" view that killing U.S. citizens without judicial review and continuing the indiscriminate spying is necessary for the national interest. Better than Willard, but it's still creepy.

As to the reason there's more fuss, it's more complicated than the racism and/or hatred of Reps for Dems you imply. It's also that it's gone on for too long, and he's doing things even Bush didn't do.

Re:God it feels good to be an American!!!!!!! (4, Insightful)

arth1 (260657) | 1 year,25 days | (#44178069)

Actually, "moreso" over the top. I voted for him twice, but I'm dismayed at how far overboard he's gone with the "pragmatic" view that killing U.S. citizens without judicial review and continuing the indiscriminate spying is necessary for the national interest. Better than Willard, but it's still creepy.

Why did you write "killing U.S. citizens"? Why not "killing humans"?

If you believe that US citizens are worth more than any other human beings and should have rights others shouldn't have because of the circumstance of their birth, you're part of the problem.

Re:God it feels good to be an American!!!!!!! (5, Informative)

FriendlyLurker (50431) | 1 year,25 days | (#44177559)

Worth pointing out [guardian.co.uk] that some of those same EU countries trying to impede and/or deny Snowdens asylum requests ("a centuries-old right in international law") are also responsible for allowing CIA extraordinary rendition of unknown prisoners via their air space without any due process, airplane checks (yes Spain, that includes you).

As usual, US officials and their acolytes who invoke "the law" to demand severe punishment for powerless individuals (Edward Snowden, Bradley Manning) instantly exploit the same concept to protect US political officials, their owners and their allies from the worst crimes: torture, warrantless eavesdropping, rendition, systemic financial fraud, deceiving Congress and the US public about their surveillance behavior. If you're spending your time calling for Ed Snowden's head but not James Clapper's, or if you're obsessed with Snowden's fabricated personality attributes (narcissist!) but apathetic about rampant, out-of-control NSA surveillance, it's probably worth spending a few moments thinking about what this priority scheme reveals.

Re:God it feels good to be an American!!!!!!! (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,25 days | (#44177675)

I like this quote: "Index on Censorship said to EU states this morning [indexoncensorship.org] : "Members of the EU have a duty to protect freedom of expression and should not interfere in an individual's attempts to seek asylum. Edward Snowden is a whistleblower whose free speech rights should be protected not criminalised.""

Re:God it feels good to be an American!!!!!!! (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,25 days | (#44178011)

It must be nice to be the Index on Censorship and not really have to give a shit about your own foreign relations. Or about the fact that the rest of Europe does the exact same shit as the US, only they just haven't been ratted out yet.

Why do you think that they are helping the US? They want to show their own prospective leakers that they had better not get any ideas.

Europe's current "moral high ground" is based solely on the fact that they currently have two fewer leakers than we do, and their governments are painfully aware of this.

Re:God it feels good to be an American!!!!!!! (5, Insightful)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | 1 year,25 days | (#44177617)

land of the free, home of the "shit, that guy must be snuffed out, he told the world how dirty we really are. an example must be made so that others think twice about being a whistleblower".

happy fourth of july, fellow americans ;( can't say I'm very proud to be american right now. in fact, I'm ashamed of what my country is looking like, to the rest of the world.

Re:God it feels good to be an American!!!!!!! (5, Insightful)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | 1 year,25 days | (#44177753)

lets also blame our fellow geeks who have ENABLED this spying via their tech efforts.

do you work for a networking company and have you worked on any sniffer or DPI code or hardware? you are to blame - you are part of the problem!

do you work for anything having to do with calea? you are to blame!

do you look the other way when you go into work each day? how do you justify the harm you are doing? oh right, you're helping to 'catch bad guys'. yeah, keep telling yourselves that.

fellow geeks who enable the evil governments that spy are FULLY TO BLAME just as much as the politicians and folks in power who ordered the equipment and software to do this.

seriously - if we, as a group, said NO to such jobs, they would not get done. but we are whores and will work for spying companies and not even think twice about it.

its fucked up beyond belief. and we are part of the problem.

Re:God it feels good to be an American!!!!!!! (5, Interesting)

Russ1642 (1087959) | 1 year,25 days | (#44177813)

I think the movie Cube was about this. You don't know you're part of the problem because you're working on just a tiny piece of it.

Re:God it feels good to be an American!!!!!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,25 days | (#44178079)

>> if we, as a group, said NO to such jobs, they would not get done. but we are whores and will work for spying companies and not even think twice about it.

Most Americans are whores and are only in it for the money and/or fame.

Re:God it feels good to be an American!!!!!!! (3, Insightful)

auric_dude (610172) | 1 year,25 days | (#44177623)

Team America to police the World but who will police America?

Re:God it feels good to be an American!!!!!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,25 days | (#44177711)

Answer: Nobody. We are the mightiest, richest, most powerful nation on the planet. He who has the gold make the rules. There is nobody to constrain our might and power. So just continue to take it from us and enjoy it.

USA, USA!

Re:God it feels good to be an American!!!!!!! (1)

jellomizer (103300) | 1 year,25 days | (#44177763)

One nation Under God.
If you don't believe in God, then that means One Nation under No One.

It is a humble way to say the United States won't be anyone's bitch.

Re:God it feels good to be an American!!!!!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,25 days | (#44177817)

Chuck Norris?

Re:God it feels good to be an American!!!!!!! (5, Interesting)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | 1 year,25 days | (#44177795)

This is the THIRD story today, where commenting with the following quote appears both appropriate and relevant to topic:

"The two aims of the Party are to conquer the whole surface of the earth
and to extinguish once and for all the possibility of independent thought"

-- George Orwell, 1984

Whats the threat we are issuing to these people? (2)

Marrow (195242) | 1 year,25 days | (#44177853)

Do what we say or we'll declare bankruptcy and trash the world economy?

Re:God it feels good to be an American!!!!!!! (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,25 days | (#44177943)

Too bad it ain't yo' country no mo'.

Seriously, I am a EU citizen, but it's clear that I have as much influence on USA politics as any of you yankees here.

<sidenote>
I don't feel any inclination to snort coke or fornicate any relation of my SO. Might be a US thing.
</sidenote>

Reasonable punishment (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,25 days | (#44177407)

A harsh, but reasonable punishment would be to re-route Airforce One to Austria every time Obama wants to visit some country in Europe.

Re:Reasonable punishment (5, Insightful)

anagama (611277) | 1 year,25 days | (#44177601)

It's time to go beyond petty shit like that.

Patriotic Americans should descend on DC with pitchforks, tar and feathers, and enhanced voting techniques.

Re:Reasonable punishment (2, Interesting)

i kan reed (749298) | 1 year,25 days | (#44177669)

Oh, I see, you want to go to Guantanamo for vacation too? I hear they offer free unlimited stays. And some kind of surf boarding class called "water boarding". Should be fun.

Re:Reasonable punishment (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,25 days | (#44177819)

Oh, I see, you want to go to Guantanamo for vacation too? I hear they offer free unlimited stays. And some kind of surf boarding class called "water boarding". Should be fun.

The fact that this is your reaction to someone advocating protesting against government action shows that the US is no longer a free country.

Re:Reasonable punishment (2)

i kan reed (749298) | 1 year,25 days | (#44177839)

Christ, sarcasm dude. I... what? How do you honestly think that anyone is in favor of arresting dissenters?

Re:Reasonable punishment (2)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | 1 year,25 days | (#44178051)

you don't think the guard, army (etc) won't shoot on fellow american citizens?

think again.

Re:Reasonable punishment (3, Funny)

Doug Otto (2821601) | 1 year,25 days | (#44177631)

Why not try a holiday in Sweden this year?

See the lovely lakes, the wonderful telephone system, and many interesting furry animals, including the majestic moose.

Re:Reasonable punishment (4, Funny)

morcego (260031) | 1 year,25 days | (#44177949)

including the majestic moose.

A møøse bit my sister once....

Re:Reasonable punishment (3, Insightful)

arth1 (260657) | 1 year,25 days | (#44177831)

True. He might be hiding people like Luis Posada Carriles, which is wanted by multiple countries for terrorism, or Victor Bout, a convicted russian arms trafficker.

The double standards, where USA wants special treatment because it is USA, and refuses reciprocity, is becoming quite tiresome. How can anyone take us seriously?

Complete asshat move by the White House (5, Informative)

haruchai (17472) | 1 year,25 days | (#44177409)

No matter what you think of Snowden, at this point he's just a whistleblower or spy.

If the US wants to search plane, they can fucking do it themselves - they still have an Air Force, after all.

Re:Complete asshat move by the White House (5, Insightful)

dyingtolive (1393037) | 1 year,25 days | (#44177445)

He must be something much more dangerous to somebody. I don't understand how everything he revealed can be so trivialized, and yet he be this sought after.

Re:Complete asshat move by the White House (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,25 days | (#44177525)

He must be something much more dangerous to somebody. I don't understand how everything he revealed can be so trivialized, and yet he be this sought after.

I completely agree. I think he may have some information about what the government is doing he hasn't yet released which would blow our minds to bits.

Re:Complete asshat move by the White House (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,25 days | (#44177533)

Simple. The hunt for him is a threat against any other would be whistleblower.

Re:Complete asshat move by the White House (5, Interesting)

Dunbal (464142) | 1 year,25 days | (#44177539)

Yeah "I'm not going to scramble fighter jets for this guy", he'll just get other countries to do that for him... Hey but what is one more tiny human rights violation when you've already done so many.

Re:Complete asshat move by the White House (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,25 days | (#44177561)

I don't understand how everything he revealed can be so trivialized, and yet he be this sought after.

U.S. citizens care a lot less about what the government does than the government does.

Re:Complete asshat move by the White House (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,25 days | (#44177689)

He certainly knows much more about classified materials than what he has released. Considering that he didn't accept Russia's terms to stay, it is likely he plans to release more information. If you're being mugged you don't calm down until the threat is dealt with -- you don't relax because they promise they only want your wallet.

Re:Complete asshat move by the White House (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,25 days | (#44177741)

Truth is dangerous and less proftable for the sociopaths.

Re:Complete asshat move by the White House (5, Insightful)

Hatta (162192) | 1 year,25 days | (#44177835)

He's a man with principles. There's nothing more dangerous to illegitimate authority. They are sending a message to every individual who cares about liberty and the rule of law: "If you stick your neck out, we will stomp on your face".

Re:Complete asshat move by the White House (4, Insightful)

morcego (260031) | 1 year,25 days | (#44178001)

illegitimate authority

Ha! You wish it was illegitimate authority. Unfortunately, those are your elected representatives. Totally legitimate.
Oh, right, that is sad, not funny :(

Re:Complete asshat move by the White House (5, Insightful)

Jawnn (445279) | 1 year,25 days | (#44177521)

No matter what you think of Snowden, at this point he's just a whistleblower or spy.

Just a whistle blower? He's God damn American hero, even if most American's can't understand that. Where are the yellow ribbons reading "Support Our Whistle Blowers"?

Re:Complete asshat move by the White House (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,25 days | (#44177775)

If he had just revealed assaults on american freedoms I'd agree, but spying on other countries is the NSA's job. When he went assange and started attacking the US, he went from hero to traitor.

Re:Complete asshat move by the White House (1)

fazey (2806709) | 1 year,25 days | (#44177891)

no it's not. It's the CIAs job.

Re:Complete asshat move by the White House (1)

jcr (53032) | 1 year,25 days | (#44178047)

he went from hero to traitor.

You are so full of shit, the whites of your eyes have turned brown. Snowden took great personal risk to let us know about billions of instances of crimes committed by our government. The fourth amendment is not ambiguous.

-jcr

Re:Complete asshat move by the White House (2)

realityimpaired (1668397) | 1 year,25 days | (#44177811)

There's laws (in theory at least) in the US to protect whistle blowers, even those who release information the way he did. While we can argue back and forth over whether he'll get a fair trial, he is entitled to his day in court. From what I've read of it, the information gathering being done is against the US constitution, and he should be exonerated.

So why, then, did he choose to go into exile rather than accept the consequences and justify his actions in court? And what did he think he had to gain by going to Julian Assange? These are the questions people need to be asking about this situation...

BTW, you don't have to be a spook (or former spook) to guess that the US was spying on everybody they could. You'd have to be pretty naive to think they weren't, given the political climate over the last 12 years.

Re:Complete asshat move by the White House (4, Insightful)

Hatta (162192) | 1 year,25 days | (#44177881)

So why, then, did he choose to go into exile rather than accept the consequences and justify his actions in court?

Because he knows there's no chance of a fair trial. Those whose crimes he exposed won't see a courtroom, why should he?

Re:Complete asshat move by the White House (5, Insightful)

morcego (260031) | 1 year,25 days | (#44178071)

There's laws (in theory at least) in the US to protect whistle blowers, even those who release information the way he did. While we can argue back and forth over whether he'll get a fair trial, he is entitled to his day in court. From what I've read of it, the information gathering being done is against the US constitution, and he should be exonerated.

So why, then, did he choose to go into exile rather than accept the consequences and justify his actions in court? And what did he think he had to gain by going to Julian Assange? These are the questions people need to be asking about this situation...

I'm sorry, but your arguments sounds a lot like the ones we hear against anonymity, and in favor or letting the government spy on its people.

The reason he went into exile is simple: he doesn't trust the government. And rightly so.
Maybe he doesn't want to be a martyr?

Re:Complete asshat move by the White House (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,25 days | (#44177875)

How many yellow ribbons have you put up?

Re:Complete asshat move by the White House (5, Insightful)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | 1 year,25 days | (#44177887)

the highest rule one can follow is to Do The Right Thing. we each should have some idea as to what that is.

this is higher than any loyalty to a government or country. higher than loyalty to a religion. higher than what your employer wants you to do.

I include manning and snowden as true heros and patriots. when a country or government goes bad (ours has, in case there was any doubt) then its your DUTY to Do The Right Thing and inform on them.

the notion of checks and balances is near and dear to my heart. those who keep the people informed of wrongdoings are at the highest level of hero.

its sad that our modern heros are being treated like criminals. isn't that a laugh, the criminals are punishing the good guys. I'm not sure when things got so backwards, but they clearly are, now.

Re:Complete asshat move by the White House (1)

jcr (53032) | 1 year,25 days | (#44178077)

the highest rule one can follow is to Do The Right Thing.

Hear, hear!

-jcr

So what was it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,25 days | (#44177447)

Was it Spain and France? Or Spain, Portugal and France? Or Portugal on behalf of Spain? Seems like the summary should say it was the three. What a mess of a confusing summary.

Re:So what was it? (1)

TWiTfan (2887093) | 1 year,25 days | (#44177475)

Doesn't matter. It's ALL *OUR* TURF!!!

Re:So what was it? (4, Insightful)

gmuslera (3436) | 1 year,25 days | (#44177591)

Don't matter. Seems that all of them bend over gracefully and at once to the one that they know spy on all of them. Maybe the place that matter is Stockolm, they all have the syndrome.

Re:So what was it? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,25 days | (#44177751)

It was Spain, France, Italy, and Portugal. The submitter also neglected to mention that these countries deny the accusations.

Re:So what was it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,25 days | (#44177889)

They can deny it all they like. President Obama says the Spanish, French, Italians, and Portuguese give the best head in the EU! They even clean up for you after you're done.

Bolivia has a big fraction of the world's lithium (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,25 days | (#44177513)

and I'll bet France and Portugal have business interests associated with Bolivia's lithium deposits. Morales could spank both of them by levying an access fee amounting to a few hundred million Euros. Gotta make it more expensive to be a USA poodle if we want this bad behavior to stop.

Re:Bolivia has a big fraction of the world's lithi (1)

jcr (53032) | 1 year,25 days | (#44178111)

Not a bad idea, but a hundred million euro wouldn't come close to the amount of financial pressure the USA could dish out.

-jcr

Bullies and thugs ... (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,25 days | (#44177557)

If this was done to Air Force One, there would be outrage and calls for war.

It's not supposed to be legal to interfere with the travel of diplomats or search them.

If this was done at the request of the Americans, they've well overestimated their own importance. If this was done by someone trying to keep the Americans happy, they crossed well over the line.

But America seems to believe the rest of the world should be subservient to their wishes -- and the rest of the world is waking up to a big "Fuck You".

Keep braying about how you're the defenders of Truth and Freedom, while lying your faces off and becoming an authoritarian state. What Snowden has done is demonstrate that the US only gives a shit about themselves, and will break any law that stands in their way.

Re:Bullies and thugs ... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,25 days | (#44177637)

u mad bro?

Re:Bullies and thugs ... (5, Insightful)

mcvos (645701) | 1 year,25 days | (#44177685)

If this was done to Air Force One, there would be outrage and calls for war.

Of course. But it wasn't Air Force One, it was merely the plane of the president of some unimportant country that's not the US. So who cares, right? Only the US really matters. Only the people in charge of the US really matter, I mean. If there's one thing abundantly clear now, it's that.

Re:Bullies and thugs ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,25 days | (#44177905)

The difference is that you can call for war from a business jet carrying the Bolivian president. You can wage war from Air Force One.

Re:Bullies and thugs ... (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,25 days | (#44177915)

I'll tell the joke and leave it to the reader to decide it's relevance:

Q: What do you call 7ft man with a machette?

A: Sir.

Re:Bullies and thugs ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,25 days | (#44177877)

If this was done to Air Force One, there would be outrage and calls for war.

Americans talk about hating France, but yu wouldn't get many people supporting an invasion of France. That's just nonsense. In fact, if France was invaded by someone else, most Americans would be furious and we'd be there in a heartbeat.

The rest of your post is just anti-American garbage. Snowden is from the U.S. So you're including him when you say "America" and "Americans". His supporters within the U.S. are also Americans. But I digress...

Right now all we have are the accusations of one man who, by the way, has his own agenda. He's riled up sentiment among the Latin American countries against the U.S. I can think of a thousand reasons he might want to do that. Maybe what he is saying is true, but the countries involved deny it. But you've already found America guilty when there is no indication that: 1. it happened. 2. the U.S. was involved.

Re:Bullies and thugs ... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,25 days | (#44178057)

America can either realize her own problems and fix them, or continue to act like arrogant douchebags.

Ignore this at your own peril, because the rest of the world is getting tired of putting up with the shit your leaders do.

But you've already found America guilty when there is no indication that: 1. it happened. 2. the U.S. was involved.

Really? A presidential plane was diverted to search for a person of pressing interest to the US and you are going to claim there was no US involvement? These countries just decided on a whim to violate international law, redirect this plane and demand to search it?

Are you going to pretend that 'rendition' never happened either?

Yeah, you'd be there TWO/THREE frigging years late (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,25 days | (#44178063)

as usual.
The USA cares ONLY about the USA. Everyone else can go to hell. The US is very isolationist until someone attacked them.
Then the US stomps over everyone else caring absolutely Zilch about who they stomp on.

Re:Bullies and thugs ... (5, Insightful)

zlives (2009072) | 1 year,25 days | (#44177911)

i assume some blame must also reside with the ball-less wonders of Europe?

Re:Bullies and thugs ... (5, Insightful)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | 1 year,25 days | (#44177919)

If this was done at the request of the Americans, they've well overestimated their own importance

I take great offense at that statement. the corrupticians in power run bartertown. the american people have no say in things anymore.

please do not assume that We The People have any control over our lawless government officials. that boat sailed a long time ago and it isn't coming back any time soon.

Re:Bullies and thugs ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,25 days | (#44178043)

What Snowden has done is demonstrate that the US only gives a shit about themselves, and will break any law that stands in their way.

Please explain to me how this is a surprise? Maybe I'm just really cynical, but this seemed obvious as long as I can remember.

Dear leaders: (5, Insightful)

pla (258480) | 1 year,25 days | (#44177619)

Snowden didn't make you look bad by revealing your little games both at home and abroad. You made us look bad by pulling this shit in the first place.

Cut it out and give Snowden the hero's welcome home he deserves.

They still can get out of Europe with some risk (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,25 days | (#44177627)

A president of a large enough nuclear equipped country probably could fly him out. If they shot him down, they would effectively be at war.

If Ecuador really want Assange all they have to do is pull the embassy out of London. There are international agreements that require that they let embassy staff leave the country unharmed. If the British stop them from leaving, arrest everyone at the British embassy in Ecuador in retaliation until they return their people. I'm guessing the Ecuadorian prisons are harsher than the British ones.

Re:They still can get out of Europe with some risk (4, Informative)

Trepidity (597) | 1 year,25 days | (#44177721)

Afaict Morales was flying in a business jet that didn't have enough fuel to go Russia-Bolivia nonstop, so the original plan was to refuel in Western Europe before continuing on. So that complicates the possibility of just overflying without permission and daring them to shoot him down, because he'd actually have to land and refuel at their airports, not just overfly.

Re:They still can get out of Europe with some risk (1)

amck (34780) | 1 year,25 days | (#44177761)

If Ecuador really want Assange all they have to do is pull the embassy out of London. There are international agreements that require that they let embassy staff leave the country unharmed. If the British stop them from leaving, arrest everyone at the British embassy in Ecuador in retaliation until they return their people. I'm guessing the Ecuadorian prisons are harsher than the British ones.

This only applies to accredited diplomats, which Assange isn't.

Common UE!!! (1)

MZM (1521281) | 1 year,25 days | (#44177683)

The UE needs a new par of pants after this, maybe a par with some stars and bars on it

Re:Common UE!!! (1)

Bill, Shooter of Bul (629286) | 1 year,25 days | (#44177983)

There is no UE. I don't understand why UE pretends to exist or matter. It doesn't. This event itslef was the decision of individual countries acting on their own accord. If the UE does anything important at all its just a proxy for Germany and France. Kind of like the US using NATO.

What hasn't he revealed? (5, Interesting)

asmkm22 (1902712) | 1 year,25 days | (#44177701)

What concerns me the most is just how aggressively the entire world seems to be against him, when all he's basically revealed is the existence of a high-level domestic spy program. Yeah, that's horrible and shit, but that alone wouldn't have the US government moving political mounts pressuring other countries not to harbor him.

What did he potentially have access to that's so damning to the government that it's strong-arming the entire world over the possibility that he could release it?

Re:What hasn't he revealed? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,25 days | (#44177965)

What concerns me the most is just how aggressively the entire world seems to be against him

That's because the entire world knows that when the U.S. unzips its fly, you don't ask why. You just open your mouth and do what you're told.

Re:What hasn't he revealed? (4, Funny)

xstonedogx (814876) | 1 year,25 days | (#44178019)

Isn't it obvious?!

He has evidence:

1. The moon landing was faked.
2. The U.S. is complicit in the alien abduction of its citizens.
3. The U.S. is reverse engineering alien technology at area 51.
4. Bigfoot is real and a consultant for the DEA.
5. JFK was killed by Jimmy Hoffa and Elvis.
6. The U.S. is run by lizard people of which George W. Bush is one. (Also Morena Baccarin.)
7. Jimi Hendrix, Buddy Holly, and other supposedly dead musicians are alive, well, and immortal prisoners in an underwater city in the Atlantic for the rich and powerful.
8. (The truth about eight is too awful to print.)
9. Tater Tots are PEOPLE.

Re:What hasn't he revealed? (1)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | 1 year,25 days | (#44178027)

bush had his war when 'saddam tried to kill mah daddy!'.

obama now has his war on the american people (and the world, if you consider the core routers to be part of the world's infrastructure).

I used to support obama. but not anymore. not after this.

Re:What hasn't he revealed? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,25 days | (#44178121)

I could tell you, but I'd have to kill you?

Re:What hasn't he revealed? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,25 days | (#44178125)

Ya, I just hope he's distributed it to enough people that it'll be out in the open no matter what happens to him. Doesn't seem unthinkable that as we speak the recipients of whatever else he has are being quietly found and made silent.

Grow a pair, Europe (3, Interesting)

PPH (736903) | 1 year,25 days | (#44177703)

On the heels of revelations about US spying on its European Allies [slashdot.org] , why are you people putting up with this crap?

Re:Grow a pair, Europe (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,25 days | (#44177953)

when they have been sucking at the dick of US for long enough... its hard to say no when US tells them to bend over

Re:Grow a pair, Europe (2)

arth1 (260657) | 1 year,25 days | (#44177977)

People don't just put up with it, they revel in it. It's panem et circenses for today's plebs.

As long as something does not appear to affect an American's ability to buy cheap cheeseburgers and petrol, it's only entertainment.

Discovered the Embasy was bugged????? (2)

3seas (184403) | 1 year,25 days | (#44177707)

... isn't that supposed to be a given in todays spy vs. spy MAD comic?

Conflicting stances...double standards? (4, Insightful)

Bearhouse (1034238) | 1 year,25 days | (#44177843)

From the BBC article...

Meanwhile, France has urged EU-US trade talks be delayed amid the fallout from secrets leaked by Mr Snowden.

The talks are due to begin on Monday but claims that the US bugged EU diplomatic offices in the US, and spied on internal computer networks, have upset transatlantic relations.

French government spokeswoman Najat Vallaud-Berkacem said the talks should be suspended for 15 days to enable mutual trust to be restored.

Yet at the same time it is claimed that the French potentially violated the diplomatic priviledges of the President of an interntionally-recognised, non "axis-of-evil", democratic nation-state in order to please the USA?

Looks like genuine 'realpolitik' at its cynical best; we're pissed that you're spying on us, but we'll still help you collect your "bad guy" in case we need you to return the favour in the future. Just like what happened when NZ gave back the Rainbow Warrior killers so fast...

Bottom line: Why is this spying stuff so persistent and pervasive? Because everybody in power wants it...

War (2)

gmuslera (3436) | 1 year,25 days | (#44178003)

By now US is at war against the world, by their own definition [washingtonexaminer.com] , the ones that act as allies in things like this are targets too, even if they keep covering they ears and eyes to not see the evidence. Even if international law and rights used to have some meaning, is not anymore.

Ok, maybe they have to act like this even if they don't want to. The biggest benefit of massive, worldwide snooping on everything digital is not stopping terrorist, is just have a really big database for blackmailing, to force anyone to do what they want, from the top governors to the last shoeshiner.

Call responsible ministers to parlement ASAP (4, Interesting)

photonic (584757) | 1 year,25 days | (#44178033)

Dear opposition parties of all involved countries (France, Spain, Austria, ...), please drag the responsible ministers to parliament and have them explain every detail of the closure of the airspace as soon as possible. I don't know how it is organized exactly in those countries, but in the political system I know (Netherlands), all ministers are forced to respond to any question posed by members of parliament. The sillier questions can be answered by mail within a few weeks deadline, but I guess that for more important issues like this one, they can have any minister get his ass in parliament with a few days notice. Willfully giving wrong answers is political suicide via a 'motion of no confidence'. In the more likely case that the relevant ministers are supported by the leading majority, they can still be forced to make some embarrassing statements (yes, Obama did call us to close the airspace ...), which could lead to ridicule in the press and losses in the polls.
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