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Irish Supreme Court Upholds 3-Strikes Rule For Copyright Violation

timothy posted about a year ago | from the power-of-green dept.

Piracy 82

An anonymous reader writes with this news from The Irish Times: "'The Supreme Court [Wednesday] upheld a challenge by four music companies to a notice of the Data Protection Commissioner which they feared would effectively unwind their 'three strikes and you're out' agreement with Eircom aimed at combating the widespread illegal downloading of music.' In the ruling it was found the original High Court trial judge correctly concluded there was 'a complete absence of reasons' and therefore, the notice was unlawful and made in breach of Section 10.4 of the Data Protection Acts. Makes you wonder whether the High Court would have upheld it, had the Data Commissioner given reasons ... which seemed quite justified: 'In September 2011, the Commissioner told Eircom the complainant subscriber had restated his original complaint and alleged Eircom's monitoring of his internet use breached his data protection rights.'"

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tl;dr It's Guinness Time (5, Insightful)

Freshly Exhumed (105597) | about a year ago | (#44186025)

The big Irish ISP Eircom monitored subscribers at the behest of Big Media. After a complaint, a Commissioner determined that ISP customers had to consent to such monitoring, so it was halted. Big Media went crazy, took it to court, won a victory, faced an appeal, then the High Court found (on very narrow, legalistic terms) that the Commissioner had not given proper reasoning for WANTING TO PROTECT THE FREEDOM, LIBERTY, AND PRIVACY OF EIRCOM CUSTOMERS, and so was therefore wrong. Big Media wins again.

This is going to take quite a few Giuinesses (and maybe quite a few Old Bushmills too) to rid Eircom customers of the bad taste.

Re:tl;dr It's Guinness Time (2)

jalet (36114) | about a year ago | (#44186065)

Many thanks for the translation into something that can be understood !

Re:tl;dr It's Guinness Time (2)

Xest (935314) | about a year ago | (#44186291)

So the question is if the Information Commissioner now blocks it again and gives reasons this time will the whole case have to start over?

If big media only won on narrow terms then that surely implies they only won again a very narrow circumstance too? It doesn't sound like the judge has ruled on the validity of the information commissioner's underlying claim, just that the specific claim put forward wasn't valid without reason. Put it forward with reason and that implies a new case would be required on the validity of the reasons themselves no?

Re:tl;dr It's Guinness Time (1)

Shavano (2541114) | about a year ago | (#44187057)

If another plaintiff sues, maybe. I don't think if this plaintiff sues over the same monitoring, the courts would touch the case.

It's an article about Ireland! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44186401)

We must mention Guinness and Whiskey! ...prick....

Re:It's an article about Ireland! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44186789)

We must mention Guinness and Whiskey! ...prick....

Don't throw a paddy over it

Re:It's an article about Ireland! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44188363)

It could have been worse, he could have mentioned Whisky!

Re:It's an article about Ireland! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44188843)

We must mention Guinness and Whiskey! ...prick....

Yes, we all know about the elaborate, world wide advertising extravaganzas that Guinness hopes will forever stop people from equating Ireland with their product. Keep up the fight.

Re:tl;dr It's Guinness Time (1)

hcs_$reboot (1536101) | about a year ago | (#44186549)

the Commissioner had not given proper reasoning for WANTING TO PROTECT THE FREEDOM, LIBERTY, AND PRIVACY OF EIRCOM CUSTOMERS

So it seems that the Commission lawyers were not competent enough to elaborate a "proper reasoning". If the case happens in another country (or if there is a possible further appeal in Ireland), lawyers have now a good idea at what they have to slog away.

Re:tl;dr It's Guinness Time (1)

g253 (855070) | about a year ago | (#44186675)

Thanks very much. That was a spectacularly badly written summary even by slashdot's absence of standards.

Re: tl;dr It's Guinness Time (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44186875)

I read your emails.

SIncerely,
Obongo

Re:tl;dr It's Guinness Time (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44189241)

Thank that was 3 pages of whoever the hell wrote this swill should be fired. It was incredibly difficult to read but from what I can gather the issue was whether the protocol to get the user's IP breached the law which it couldn't because they basically said the music companies magically obtained it and sent it to Eircom. That said I think they are just monitoring bittorrent swarms and it's a completely open p to p protocol so they probably aren't breaching any laws.

I'm beginning to wonder... (5, Insightful)

mitcheli (894743) | about a year ago | (#44186113)

Which is more serious, the traditional high crimes like murder and rape, or illegally copying a DVD.

Re:I'm beginning to wonder... (5, Interesting)

Zemran (3101) | about a year ago | (#44186143)

Under current law, if you saw someone raping a 9 year old and took a photo to send, using the internet, to the police as evidence, you would get longer in prison that the rapist. The world has gone PC mad and does not look like changing.

Re:I'm beginning to wonder... (2)

wonkey_monkey (2592601) | about a year ago | (#44186195)

Under current law, if you saw someone raping a 9 year old and took a photo to send, using the internet, to the police as evidence, you would get longer in prison that the rapist.

would, or might possibly, if the law was applied unreasonably?

Considering you can go to prison for life for rape, I think your statement requires more justification. Can you possibly get life for transmitting CP, and would you actually get life for doing so in the course of reporting a crime?

Re:I'm beginning to wonder... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44186327)

The law is never reasonable. The police are just doing there job by filing paperwork, investigating, etc. The prosecutor is looking to get ahead, to further his career, etc. The jury is a bunch of people who don't want to be there and 'trust' the cops know what they are doing.

In the end nobody is done justice.

And lets not forget that the system forces people who aren't insane to plead guilty. Even innocent people (sane ones) will plead guilty given the maximum sentence for ANY crime vs what would be received otherwise.

Re:I'm beginning to wonder... (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | about a year ago | (#44187083)

would, or might possibly, if the law was applied unreasonably?

We're talking about a world in which teenagers are being cited for child pornography for sharing naked pictures of themselves. Time to wake up...

Re:I'm beginning to wonder... (1)

wonkey_monkey (2592601) | about a year ago | (#44188083)

We're talking about a world in which teenagers are being cited...

You're talking about that. I'm talking about disputing a declaration as fact that you would get a longer sentence than a child rapist for reporting the crime.

Re:I'm beginning to wonder... (1)

jedidiah (1196) | about a year ago | (#44189171)

That already is playing itself out in Stuebenville.

Re:I'm beginning to wonder... (1)

wonkey_monkey (2592601) | about a year ago | (#44190557)

What is playing itself out in Stuebenville, exactly?

Re:I'm beginning to wonder... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44187147)

Can you possibly get life for transmitting CP, and would you actually get life for doing so in the course of reporting a crime?

Are you willing to bet your life on that? When you see a crime, look away, stay calm and carry on. Ask Edward Snowden about it.

Re:I'm beginning to wonder... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44187541)

Can you possibly get life for transmitting CP, and would you actually get life for doing so in the course of reporting a crime?

Are you willing to bet your life on that? When you see a crime, look away, stay calm and carry on. Ask Edward Snowden about it.

There's a government agency that rapes 9 year old children?

Re:I'm beginning to wonder... (0)

wonkey_monkey (2592601) | about a year ago | (#44187951)

Are you willing to bet your life on that?

I'm willing to risk a child's safety on it, will that do?

Re:I'm beginning to wonder... (1)

SJHiIlman (2957043) | about a year ago | (#44189815)

That child is screwed.

Re:I'm beginning to wonder... (0)

wonkey_monkey (2592601) | about a year ago | (#44190561)

Bad wording, intent hopefully clear.

Re:I'm beginning to wonder... (0)

wonkey_monkey (2592601) | about a year ago | (#44190563)

When you see a crime, look away, stay calm and carry on.

Anonymous Coward, indeed.

Re:I'm beginning to wonder... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44186491)

Under current law, if you saw someone raping a 9 year old and took a photo to send, using the internet, to the police as evidence, you would get longer in prison that the rapist. The world has gone PC mad and does not look like changing.

People keep saying things like this, OMG they are banning the ten commandments in school, PC gone mad!!! OMG the European Union has banned curved bananas, PC gone mad!!! OMG circus performers have to wear hardhats, PC gone mad!!! OMG the Obama administration is planning to set up universal health insurance! COMMUNISM AT THE GATES, ARM YOURSELVES!!!

It usually turns out to be bullshit but perhaps you are right, can you furnish us with a link to something better than a gutter tabloid to back this up?

Re:I'm beginning to wonder... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44186501)

I don't know if what he said is true, but it wouldn't surprise me. People get groped and scanned by government workers just because they want to get on a plane; that's absolutely insane, but it's reality.

Re:I'm beginning to wonder... (1)

Dcnjoe60 (682885) | about a year ago | (#44187233)

Under current law, if you saw someone raping a 9 year old and took a photo to send, using the internet, to the police as evidence, you would get longer in prison that the rapist. The world has gone PC mad and does not look like changing.

People keep saying things like this, OMG they are banning the ten commandments in school, PC gone mad!!! OMG the European Union has banned curved bananas, PC gone mad!!! OMG circus performers have to wear hardhats, PC gone mad!!! OMG the Obama administration is planning to set up universal health insurance! COMMUNISM AT THE GATES, ARM YOURSELVES!!!

It usually turns out to be bullshit but perhaps you are right, can you furnish us with a link to something better than a gutter tabloid to back this up?

Universal healthcare would be socialism, not communism. If you are going to rant, you should at least get the terms correct. Then again, ranting without having the courage to use your handle is no better than the origina poster not backing up their claims, either.

Re:I'm beginning to wonder... (1)

jedidiah (1196) | about a year ago | (#44189185)

Universal healthcare would also be communism.

Anyone that's fled from a communist country can tell you how it all worked out in practice. It's not quite the ideal that commie wannabes make it out to be.

People are still greedy and corrupt.

Centralizing power just makes that worse.

Re:I'm beginning to wonder... (1)

Dcnjoe60 (682885) | about a year ago | (#44189255)

Universal healthcare would also be communism.

Anyone that's fled from a communist country can tell you how it all worked out in practice. It's not quite the ideal that commie wannabes make it out to be.

People are still greedy and corrupt.

Centralizing power just makes that worse.

Except that communism is a form of government and socialism is an economic system like capitalism. What you are basically saying is that not having universal healthcare is a Republic and Universal healthcare is Communism. When I think you are trying to say is Universal healthcare is socialism versus our current system which is capitalism. How healthcare is delivered has nothing to do with how the government itself is organized, other than a communistic government would have an easier time changing the method of healthcare delivery than the Obama administration is.

Re:I'm beginning to wonder... (1)

jedidiah (1196) | about a year ago | (#44195329)

You are trying to split hairs and make this seem more complicated that it really is when it's really simple and just boils down to how much power we choose to invest in government.

Politics and economics are interrelated. One depends on the other.

Re:I'm beginning to wonder... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44187573)

Well, it was not curved bananas, but curved cucumber, but yes, the EU did actually ban them. The ruling has been removed in the mean time, though.

On the other hand, I don't see what curved fruits of whatever kind have to do with political correctness.

Re:I'm beginning to wonder... (1)

westlake (615356) | about a year ago | (#44187465)

Under current law, if you saw someone raping a 9 year old and took a photo to send, using the internet, to the police as evidence, you would get longer in prison that the rapist.

Show me that me that you have something - anything - to back this up.

Not that the e-mailing such a photograph rather than reporting the crime through safer, more secure and more ordinary means and letting the police retrieve and properly document your evidence is an idea so brain dead only a geek could have thought of it.

I have information about a crime I believe has occurred or I know the whereabouts of someone wanted for a crime. What should I do?

For any crime in progress, call 911. Provide an exact location when possible, and then details of the crime including, if possible, a description of suspects and victims involved. If you have information about a violent felony crime or know the whereabouts of someone wanted for a crime, you are encouraged to call Crime Stoppers at 1-800-577-TIPS, (Se habla espanol: 1-888-57-PISTA). Callers remain anonymous. If your information leads to the arrest and indictment of a perpetrator for a violent felony crime, you are eligible for a cash reward of up to $1,000.

NYC.gov --- Crime and Prevention [nyc.gov]

PC Mad? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44187843)

No, it has nothing do do with PC. Nor the little girl. Its all about the money. *Total* content control is the goal, if some poor child gets in the way, the media giants could care less.

Re:I'm beginning to wonder... (1)

Jimbob The Mighty (1282418) | about a year ago | (#44214191)

And if you're livestreaming over Google Glass (or similar), you're really fucked.

Re:I'm beginning to wonder... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44186151)

It depends upon who is affected.

Re:I'm beginning to wonder... (1)

CoolGopher (142933) | about a year ago | (#44186159)

If you have to wonder, you haven't been paying enough attention. :(

Re:I'm beginning to wonder... (1)

shentino (1139071) | about a year ago | (#44186319)

Whichever one pisses off the legal system the most, and by extension those who bought it.

Re:I'm beginning to wonder... (5, Insightful)

Thanshin (1188877) | about a year ago | (#44186891)

The answer is easy and based on a simple question: What causes more economic loss to a corporation? Rape? Or illegally copying a DVD.

You expect crimes to be judged by humane reasons while they are judged by economic reasons. You're just applying a different "morale" than the people who actually have the power to take decision in the present world.

You probably also believe that all people should be equal, but you live in a world that clearly disagrees and believes people are valued by their economic value (both possessions and influence in the economy).

In some centuries, humans will have stories about the dark ages where the humans were judged by their economic value, just as we do about the times where they were judged by birthright or, even before, by brute force.

And these humans will probably live in a society with it's set of flaws, to be corrected in the further future.

The only important objectives, as a society, are to survive and to improve. As long as we're doing both, everything's fine.

Re:I'm beginning to wonder... (1)

TheDarkMaster (1292526) | about a year ago | (#44187207)

+10 Insightful for you, sir.

Re:I'm beginning to wonder... (1)

olip85 (1770514) | about a year ago | (#44187973)

We rarely see such wise words on Slashdot.

Re:I'm beginning to wonder... (1)

Arker (91948) | about a year ago | (#44188147)

"You're just applying a different "morale" than the people who actually have the power to take decision in the present world."

I am guessing English is not your native language, in which case your English is quite good, but "morale" doesnt mean what you think it does. (This is an error I have seen many non-natives make.) The word you are trying for is 'moral' (specifically a phrase such as 'moral code') not 'morale' - they are pronounced differently and not closely related in meaning. Morale is the high spirits of a group, for instance when you become convinced of defeat and quit fighting you are said to have lost morale.

"You probably also believe that all people should be equal, but you live in a world that clearly disagrees and believes people are valued by their economic value (both possessions and influence in the economy)."

Cant speak for everyone else, but I dont expect or desire equality in ALL aspects, that would be absurd. People are clearly different economically, for instance. Equality here is neither possible nor desireable. But all people should be equal *politically* - the basic rights of each individual should be protected equally.

Unfortunately that is far from the case.

Re:I'm beginning to wonder... (1)

Thanshin (1188877) | about a year ago | (#44192809)

>>"You're just applying a different "morale" than the people who actually have the power to take decision in the present world."
>"I am guessing English is not your native language, in which case your English is quite good, but "morale" doesnt mean what you think it does."
Thank you very much. You're right about English not being my first language and in mine "moral" and "morale" are two concepts for which we use the same word.

>>"You probably also believe that all people should be equal, but you live in a world that clearly disagrees and believes people are valued by their economic value (both possessions and influence in the economy)."
>"Cant speak for everyone else, but I dont expect or desire equality in ALL aspects, that would be absurd. People are clearly different economically, for instance. Equality here is neither possible nor desireable. But all people should be equal *politically* - the basic rights of each individual should be protected equally."
I agree with the precision. I did mean "equal to the eyes of politics and justice".

I agree it isn't necessary for everyone to be economically equal, as long as their economy doesn't have an effect on their political influence nor their judicial treatment. For instance, economical equality will not appear even after humanity grows beyond scarcity and economy mutates into the production and distribution exclusively of ideas, rather than also of goods and services.

Re:I'm beginning to wonder... (1)

Shavano (2541114) | about a year ago | (#44187093)

  • My reading of Slashdot has taught me the (decreasing) order is apparently:
  • Working for the NSA
  • Copying media in violation of copyright license
  • Murder
  • Rape
  • Signing a data collection order for the FISA court
  • Complying with a data collection order
  • Thinking Edward Snowden is not the Son of God Come Again in Glory, Blessed be His Name

Re:I'm beginning to wonder... (1)

Dcnjoe60 (682885) | about a year ago | (#44187245)

  • My reading of Slashdot has taught me the (decreasing) order is apparently:
  • Working for the NSA
  • Copying media in violation of copyright license
  • Murder
  • Rape
  • Signing a data collection order for the FISA court
  • Complying with a data collection order
  • Thinking Edward Snowden is not the Son of God Come Again in Glory, Blessed be His Name

You left out Microsoft, Apple and Ubuntu from your list! :)

Re:I'm beginning to wonder... (1)

Shavano (2541114) | about a year ago | (#44189623)

  • My reading of Slashdot has taught me the (decreasing) order is apparently:
  • Working for the NSA
  • Copying media in violation of copyright license
  • Murder
  • Rape
  • Signing a data collection order for the FISA court
  • Complying with a data collection order
  • Thinking Edward Snowden is not the Son of God Come Again in Glory, Blessed be His Name

You left out Microsoft, Apple and Ubuntu from your list! :)

The First Amendment protects my right to make non-comprehensive lists, so shove off buddy.

Re:I'm beginning to wonder... (1)

ObsessiveMathsFreak (773371) | about a year ago | (#44190467)

A notorius Irish Judge recently gave a man a two year suspended sentence for raping a women in front of her children [broadsheet.ie] . He's done worse, and so have other Irish judges.

The supreme court is particularly notorius, with at least one judge on it having never sat behind a bench before. They've done everything; from ruling that mens only golf clubs are non-discriminatory, to making it legal to keep people imprisoned even if the law that convicted them is later ruled to be constitutional -- Google the Mr A case (tl;dr "teh pedos!!"). Members of the court are not above public dust-ups with the executive, on their own behalf or for anyone else they favour.

In Ireland, we don't have laws. What we have are more like customs. And he who pays the most for the festivities decides what those customs are.

Oh gee. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44186145)

What a newsflash... Court sides with big business. Who just happened to give everyone involved some free stuff.

I wanna be a corrupt judge. Looks like a good deal. Screw people over. Get stuff.

Fuck around all day "my word is law!"

Yup. looks like hard work.

Famous Last Quote (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44186207)

Princess Leia: The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers.

Governor Tarkin: Not after we demonstrate the capabilities of this station.

Not So Free Market (5, Insightful)

GeekWithAKnife (2717871) | about a year ago | (#44186281)


Assuming several ISPs are being roped into these agreements one way or another it's still up to the consumer to vote with their feet.

I for one am quite interested in how many subscribers will simply leave or terminate immediately when threats to cut off their internet are made (1st strike 2nd etc)
Imagine your child downloads some stuff and all of a sudden there's a risk that your favorite internet movie streaming service is cut off. Will you put up with ISPs that do this?
Somewhere out there is an ISP small enough or honorable enough to protect its' customers.

Re:Not So Free Market (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44186493)

Not that simple, the number of option to choose from for a relieable ISP on the Emerald Island are quite limited..

People will stay because the service is working, and working quite fast compared to others.

With only4 millions people, it isn't a market with a lot of competition

Re:Not So Free Market (2)

Thanshin (1188877) | about a year ago | (#44186939)

It will be hilarious when someone makes a trojan that accesses file sharing services and leaves the entire country without a connection.

Additional hilarity will ensue when that "someone" is found to be someone related to an new alternative ISP.

And the final belly shaking laughter will come when people start getting popups that explain that unless they send some money to a certain account their internet connection will be cut.

Re:Not So Free Market (1)

Shavano (2541114) | about a year ago | (#44187107)

And the final belly shaking laughter will come when people start getting popups that explain that unless they send some money to a certain account their internet connection will be cut.

I get notices like that from Comcast every month.

Re:Not So Free Market (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44189261)

UPC is faster than eircom and tried their best to protect thier customers from this caic just use them or imagine or anyone but eircom because the three strikes issue is an agreement with the company not law and so far only eircom have agreed to it.

Re:Not So Free Market (1)

gl4ss (559668) | about a year ago | (#44189387)

Not that simple, the number of option to choose from for a relieable ISP on the Emerald Island are quite limited..

People will stay because the service is working, and working quite fast compared to others.

With only4 millions people, it isn't a market with a lot of competition

thank god in many european countries now you can literally walk to a kiosk and buy 2mbit connection on the spot without papers, one that costs 10 to 20 bucks depending on speed to fill up for a month of access(unlimited access around here, torrent all you want.).

Re:Not So Free Market (1)

vomitology (2780489) | about a year ago | (#44186531)

Lemme get this straight... Someone using an Internet connection that *you're* responsible for violates the ToS that *you* agreed to, and your reponse is to threaten to leave the ISP? Wow... not only are you a valued customer, you're also a great role model! ( :

Re:Not So Free Market (1)

GeekWithAKnife (2717871) | about a year ago | (#44186553)


You tell your kids about those terms...see how you get on. The fact is, this sort of situation in some form will happen. Life does not exist in a ToS vacuum.

Re:Not So Free Market (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44186613)

I wouldn't threaten. I would be already gone. Because, see, this is how you minimize outages. You can always wish that slapping the one using your internet would prevent you being disconnected, but there's still some chance that the final ToS violation mystically appears despite promises of contrary.

Re:Not So Free Market (1)

Xest (935314) | about a year ago | (#44186681)

Lemme get this straight... Someone steals a car that *you're* responsible for violates the laws of the country that *you* chose to live in by running someone over and killing them, and your response is to threaten the police for arresting and blaming you for the murder? Wow... not only are you a value citizen, you're a great role model! ( :

Ownership of a product or service has never meant legal responsibility for misuse if used against your will. That shouldn't change now just because the music/movie industry wants to be treated as a unique and special snowflake by being handed a cheap way to find people guilty of crime without bothering to do the necessary legwork to prove their case like everyone else meaning that inevitably innocent people are being punished for the crimes of others.

P.S. Your smileys are as retarded and backwards as your argument and ideas.

Re:Not So Free Market (1)

vomitology (2780489) | about a year ago | (#44189883)

I was hoping the /. community was smarter than trying to shoehorn the 'stolen car' analogy in, but there it is. My tl;dr response to that is, yes, if I left my car doors open and the keys in the ignition, I'd be prepared to accept full responsibility for what someone did with it. P.P.S. And my smileys love you anyway. ( :

Re:Not So Free Market (1)

Xest (935314) | about a year ago | (#44215007)

"I'd be prepared to accept full responsibility for what someone did with it."

Then you're an idiot because even the law wouldn't recognise it as your fault that someone was killed with your vehicle, yes, even if you feel the need to take it to the extreme that you left the doors open and the keys in the ignition as if that would somehow add any validity to your argument (hint: it doesn't).

Which again highlights the idiocy of your argument.

The fact is that it's long been extremely well established in law that you cannot be held responsible for what some idiot does with your property or a service you pay for. That shouldn't and doesn't need to change in the digital age, it makes sense, otherwise it'd be far too easy to get people jailed/killed - someone left their mobile phone on the desk when they went to the toilet? use it to phone in a death threat to the leader of your country and have them arrested/shot/jailed. Obviously that's a stupid idea to assume that service/product ownership = complete liability for use of that service/product.

The IRS vs entertainment industry. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44186663)

Simply just wait until you have to file taxes through the internet. Here in the Netherlands taxes can only be filed through the internet, you can no longer fill in forms. Therefor here in the Netherlands Internet is a requirement for citizenship. If three strikes rule would be allowed here, then people who are cut off can no longer file taxes.

I am pretty sure you can sue the country, saying that you would like to file your taxes.

Internet != home Internet (1)

tepples (727027) | about a year ago | (#44187185)

Why can't people found guiltyliable of copyright crimetorts go to a public library to file their taxes instead of using home Internet access?

Re:Internet != home Internet (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44187243)

I believe it is the person who is denied internet, not the home.

Frosted Lucky DRMs (1)

korbulon (2792438) | about a year ago | (#44186709)

They're magically judicious!

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Ireland is a joke (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44186849)

With essentially zero corporate taxes and repeated cow-towing to big media, Ireland is rapidly becoming a laughing stock in Europe. The UK is the surveillance state. The Germans are the ones who actually work for a living and the Greeks are lazy layabouts.

Re:Ireland is a joke (1)

Thanshin (1188877) | about a year ago | (#44186903)

All generalizations are either false or useless, except this one.

Re:Ireland is a joke (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44188705)

what about the rest of them? stereotypes are way quicker than other forms of learning!

Re:Ireland is a joke (1)

JockTroll (996521) | about a year ago | (#44189017)

Of course Germans work. They're Nazis, after all, and arbeit is what machts one frei. The krauts love to parade around in their fine uniforms, siegheiling and untermenschexterminierung all over the place. What's not to love about Krautenland? Or are you a Jude? Papieren bitte!

why bother then with 3 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44186965)

why not one and then toss the fuckers over board eh?

NSA spy buddies in hollywood are sure getting there way...
you fuckign world govts all over look like a bunch a USA bend overs....

might as well have all your world leades get down on there knee and give the usa all your tax money and everything else.....
make all your alws the same and let 300 million people tell you what the fuck to do. WHOM will spy on you to make sure you bend right over to there fat overweight gay whims

Evolve or Die (1)

edanto (1990742) | about a year ago | (#44187267)

Two and a half years ago, when eircom agreed to implement this 3 strikes rule, Big Media offered eircom a sweetener, which was a free music streaming site for their customers. This was just announced to be closing, so much for the 'carrot' part.

The 3-strikes 'stick' part of their approach is effective, people that have gotten a warning letter have changed their behaviour.... to the point of using less detectable technology such as VPNs or f2f Retroshare [sourceforge.net]

Ireland has a vibrant community of artists and musicians, many of whom are crowdfunding their first releases giving them a direct connection to their fans. People here show a willingness to pay for legal content, itunes (easy to use) and netflix (good value) have both had a big impact here, and globally of course.

These court battles are becoming less and less relevant. We know now that sharing communities and technology will always outpace the enforcers, and also that people will pay for content when it's judged to be affordable and easy to use. Big Media will simply have to learn that lesson and evolve. Those that won't will fade.

common carrier status (2)

stiggle (649614) | about a year ago | (#44187291)

If the ISP is actively monitoring the information carried and acting upon it, then surely they should lose their common carrier status and be liable for damages.

eg. Why only monitor & block copyright sites and not trojan/malware sites?

Use the legal system to your benefit (they do) (2)

xtal (49134) | about a year ago | (#44187503)

Just VPN to another juristiction.

It is a privacy tax, of sorts, but there are all sorts of affordable options. It's not going to give you complete anonymity, of course, but what it does most certainly give you is a very effective adminstrative and legal barrier for anyone attempting to sue you to deal with.

Sooner or later someone will launch a satellite for this purpose..

Re:Use the legal system to your benefit (they do) (1)

Zeromous (668365) | about a year ago | (#44188591)

What happens when VISA and MASTERCARD stop taking VPN payments, such that it becomes nearly impossible to pay such a tax?

Re:Use the legal system to your benefit (they do) (1)

xtal (49134) | about a year ago | (#44189627)

Thankfully, we have bitcoins.

Re:Use the legal system to your benefit (they do) (1)

Zeromous (668365) | about a year ago | (#44190465)

And how does one easily exchange bitcoins without a payment processor?

I'm not saying it can't be done, I'm just saying it's not exactly convenient or safe.

Which is it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44187705)

Is it 3 convictions or 3 accusations.

Re:Which is it. (1)

gl4ss (559668) | about a year ago | (#44189397)

Is it 3 convictions or 3 accusations.

accusations.

of course. I mean, huh. you think they would get the police involved? that would put an end to the little racket if they did it that way in the same scale..

Enter the Offline (1)

Ralph Spoilsport (673134) | about a year ago | (#44188563)

You can DL song by song by song, month after month, or, go to a friend's house and copy his hard drive in a few hours. I have 45,670 songs. Come by with a bottle of wine. We'll hang. We'll laugh, we'll get boozed up. By the time we're done - the songs are copied and you get to go home with a lifetime of music...

Irish Supreme Court LOVES child abuse (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44188697)

When Ireland gained its so-called 'independence' (in reality, it was no such thing and the Irish could still come to any part of the UK, no questions asked, no passport required, and live and vote just like any other British citizen) the fist thing the courts of Ireland did was place the people under the absolute control of the Catholic church. Even today, the church has exclusive control of Ireland's public schools.

Now Catholic control meant the most sickening abuses of women and children. Women could, and were imprisoned on the simple say so of her local priest, regardless of her religious affiliation. Her children could be removed at a moments notice, and sent to one of Ireland's many rape centres, where the Catholic church had tens of thousands of priest and nuns who specialised in child torture and rape.

But what about the Irish constitution, you ask. What about legal protections for the people? Well the highest courts in the land, all the way through to the 1980s, universally said that the Catholic church had complete authority over the people. Even today, the Supreme Court has stated categorically that every Irish child is the possession of the Catholic Church.

Of course, the beating of every child in Irish schools was ended a FEW years back, and the child rape centres were gradually closed down in the 1990s. The Irish government held a few limp investigations into the historic abuse of hundreds of thousands of Irish people, giving complete immunity to every member of the Catholic Church and previous Irish governments before the inquiries began. After the investigations ended, and a handful of 'apologies' were issued to the people, the Irish Supreme Court oversaw the DESTRUCTION of all the evidence that had been gathered documenting the decades of abuse.

Ireland is not, and never will be a first-world nation. No true theocracy ever can be. The incredible numbers of Irish that flooded mainland Britain AFTER independence were escaping an abusive regime unlike any other in West Europe at the time.

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