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Critical Security Updates Coming To Windows XP, 8, RT & Server

samzenpus posted about a year ago | from the protect-ya-neck dept.

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SmartAboutThings writes "On the upcoming Patch Tuesday on July 9, Microsoft is going to bring some notable security updates, that will mostly deal with fixing issues in remote code execution vulnerabilities, which allow attackers to breach in. The security updates will be applied to all Windows versions Microsoft is still supporting (from XP to Windows 8.1)"

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Why? (5, Funny)

Corona Extra (2975551) | about a year ago | (#44211111)

I haven't noticed any security problems with Windows. Why do they release this?

Re:Why? (3, Insightful)

jellomizer (103300) | about a year ago | (#44211149)

OSS groups release security fixes, they are applauded for caring about people's safety and security.
Microsoft releases security fixes, they are appaled that they would let such a problem exist.

Re:Why? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44211353)

I believe that does happen, yes. But you seem to be replying to a post that denies there being a problem in the first place.

Re:Why? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44211447)

Yes, because OSS groups are entirely volunteer effort, basically by the users for the users.
Microsoft is a paid product, if you buy it, you expect it to work as advertised, any flaw you stumble upon is money you got cheated of.

I'm still waiting to see a Linux distro that works and is advertised as "Android for Desktop".

Re:Why? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44211543)

But if your system is compromised, the end result is the same, so that doesn't excuse OSS either. If my Linux-based OS gets hacked, my information stolen and my system rendered useless, I'm not going to just handwave it and say "Well, that's ok because I got it free".

Re:Why? (3, Insightful)

hairyfeet (841228) | about a year ago | (#44211699)

In case you ain't figured it out so far Windows has always run on the "Star Trek Rule" with the first in a transition being shit followed by the next being decent, at least on the home front (personally I found both NT 4 and Win2K to be pretty solid) such as Win95 crap, Win98 great, WinME crap, WinXP great, Vista crap,Win 7 great, and so on.

But the advantage you get with Windows, that really makes a difference if you are using the PC for work and which you just don't get with Linux, is the ability to completely skip one or more releases WITHOUT suddenly being stuck on an OS without updates that can't run the latest software. Heck other than the testbed at the shop I skipped TWO releases, I skipped WinXP for the most part (Finally ended up with an XP netbox at the shop late in the game) and I skipped Vista, going from Win2K to WinXP X64 (which was just 2K3 Workstation with a different skin) and I stayed patched and able to run the latest software the entire time, in fact most software runs on XP and X64 right now without hassle.

So to me THAT right there is one of the big differences that takes Linux out of the running (well that and the piss poor driver model, but that is another rant) because if you don't stay pretty God damned close to the bleeding edge with most mainstream Linux? You are FUCKED with a capital F. You try skipping releases and suddenly the latest software won't run because it requires kernel X+3 and you have kernel X, it makes it a royal PITA and means that even if the devs go some way you don't want to go, like the mess that was Pulse Audio or the shit that was early KDE 4 and Gnome 3? Too bad, fuck you, you update or its shit time for you.

Meanwhile I've avoided Windows "LOL I Iz a Cellphone, Buy my appstorez LOL" 8 and if the fat bastard doesn't change course I'll avoid Win 8.1 just as easily and I will STILL be able to run all the latest software and games without issue, it'll "just work". Oh and in all my years I have NEVER seen Windows shit all over one of my drivers with an update, Linux has shit on the wireless and sound more times than I care to count, if its volunteers doing the QA and QC somebody needs to fire their stoner asses because they royally suck. Anybody who shits all over Realtek sound? Ought to be fucking ashamed of themselves, no excuse on screwing up the most popular sound chip on the planet, no excuses.

Re:Why? (1)

ttucker (2884057) | about a year ago | (#44211819)

[...] like the mess that was Pulse Audio or the shit that was early KDE 4 and Gnome 3? Too bad, fuck you, you update or its shit time for you.

I tried Gnome 3 and it was shit time for me.

Re:Why? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44211835)

Win98 was pretty crap too until Win98 SE.

Also your tirade against Linux is overused and outdated. And especially funny in light of the situation with DirectX over the past few years.

Re:Why? (4, Informative)

devent (1627873) | about a year ago | (#44211847)

Sorry that is just not true.

First, the kernel developers have a strict policy for not breaking API or ABI with applications.
See for example: Linus Chews Up Kernel Maintainer For Introducing Userspace Bug [slashdot.org] "Userspace" means applications.
Secondly, the developers of low level stuff like GUI toolkids (Qt, KDE, GDK+, PluseAudio, etc) are also very strict about breaking compatibility.

On the plus side, Linux don't costs you anything. It's not like you have to pay 80 or 100 Euro to update from Debian Lenny to Debian Squeeze. When Debian Squeeze was finished you just download it and update your system. Costs you maybe half a hour time.

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44212073)

Linux proudly does not use a stable drive ABI. May change at any moment, which is one of the reasons why FreeBSD's video drivers work for much longer. One of the biggest issue with closed-source blobs for drivers in Linux is that they typically stop working after a few kernel versions.

Linux has a very idealist design for drivers and assume that everything should be opensource. Well, hey, in a perfect work, it should. But until we gotten rid of war, poverty, and hunger problems, we'll continue to have blob drivers for the better graphics chips.

Re:Why? (2)

Billly Gates (198444) | about a year ago | (#44211851)

Unfortunately Hairy I tried Windows 8.1 yesterday. The UI is even worse than 8.0!

I really did try not to be an old man afraid of change and an elistist as I would lvoe applets on my phone and PC all working together in Harmony in HTML 5 glory.

Now it only scrolls left to right making up and down useless on my mouse and while the start button helps clueless users I kept having to hit it. IE 11 disapointed me and misrendered and wouldn't work on many websites. WTF this is 2013 not 2003! As someone who wants to start a web based business I was hoping IE would have gotten its act together but it tells Apache/IIS to render like Gecko and none of my financial sites worked unless I changed it to tell it to food broken IE 8/9 code. Javascript is the culprit assuming css hacks went away.

Anyway. many users say XP was the greatest Windows OS ever and are reluctant to change. You see their posts saying Windows 7 is eyecandy bloated rubbish over the good XP. Windows 7 in my opinion will be the best OS.

I was so hoping MS got its act together and feel sorry for 8.1 users since start8 and other utilities wont work anymore once that update comes in. It will be fun reading the replies on slashdot once this hits news :-)

Re:Why? (1)

Billly Gates (198444) | about a year ago | (#44211911)

Oh and I will have to say CentOS and Ubuntu LTS are the best bets for what you are talking about. AMD hardware sucks with Linux.

I run CentOS in an emulator. It has old 2010 Gnome 2 which is how I like it and will be supported for years. Will I see the latest apps? Nope, but I do not want the headache either of shit breaking. I just use it for web development and my ISPs all use older but patched software anyway. I like newer stuff but many Linux is not hte simple distro it was back in the 1990s where you just manually tar -xpvf into a / and put a path somewhere in /etc and be done. WinSXS does it right but the XP loyalists shit their pants at bloat when they see it cna grow to many gigs.

I died laughing (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about a year ago | (#44212005)

AMD hardware sucks with Linux.

I run CentOS in an emulator.

Ironically Linux KVM(amongst Others) supports AMD-V http://searchservervirtualization.techtarget.com/definition/AMD-V [techtarget.com] .

Perhaps if you spent less time making random allegations against hardware you would understand the technology a little better.

CPU support vs. GPU support (1)

tepples (727027) | about a year ago | (#44212169)

Even if Linux supports AMD CPUs better than Windows does, Windows might still support AMD GPUs better.

Re:Why? (1)

sjames (1099) | about a year ago | (#44211945)

Debian routinely maintains security patches for oldstable. Ubuntu has it's LTS releases. Centos releases stick around for quite a while. Not bad for something you can install for free. If you'd rather pay the distro provider for support, there's RHEL. There doesn't seem to be much interest in going back further since the upgrades are free and tend not to fail on older machines. If you need to keep an old release around, I'll bet you could pay for that and get it.

I don't like Gnome 3, so I don't use it. There are two perfectly viable ways to go from there that will just work or you can stay with the older version.

If you really need a newer kernel (it really doesn't come up that much these days), you can generally just upgrade the kernel.

I have seen windows updates shit all over printer and other drivers as well as software.

Re:Why? (4, Informative)

the_B0fh (208483) | about a year ago | (#44211973)

So to me THAT right there is one of the big differences that takes Linux out of the running (well that and the piss poor driver model, but that is another rant) because if you don't stay pretty God damned close to the bleeding edge with most mainstream Linux? You are FUCKED with a capital F. You try skipping releases and suddenly the latest software won't run because it requires kernel X+3 and you have kernel X, it makes it a royal PITA and means that even if the devs go some way you don't want to go, like the mess that was Pulse Audio or the shit that was early KDE 4 and Gnome 3? Too bad, fuck you, you update or its shit time for you.

You really based your arguments on what you read on blogs rather than personal experience? Plenty of people still run kernel 2.2 which is about 15 years old now, or 2.4 which is about 10 years old now. And if you run something like debian, it's as simple as "apt-get distupgrade" and editing a few config files.

Or... you know, just not upgrade.

Seriously. Get over it.

sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop (2)

tepples (727027) | about a year ago | (#44212189)

You try skipping releases and suddenly the latest software won't run because it requires kernel X+3 and you have kernel X, it makes it a royal PITA

But there's one big difference. Unlike new major versions of Windows, new versions of Linux, glibc, etc. are available without charge. I didn't have to pay a dime to upgrade Ubuntu from 8.04 through 12.04, apart from the Internet access that I was paying for anyway.

and even if the devs go some way you don't want to go, like the mess that was Pulse Audio or the shit that was early KDE 4 and Gnome 3? Too bad, fuck you

No, fuck Unity. After I failed to get the hang of the Un(usabil)ity that is 11.10's default GUI, I installed Xfce (sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop) and was able to make it mine again.

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44211787)

Yes, because OSS groups are entirely volunteer effort, basically by the users for the users.

Ha, slashbots actually believe this. In reality, nearly all important OSS is created by paid developers working for for-profit companies.

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44211455)

The difference is people pay a lot of money to Microsoft to do one thing, make a good operating system. I'm not paying anything for Linux so I don't expect them to be perfect at all.

-- stoops

Re:Why? (1)

Corona Extra (2975551) | about a year ago | (#44211493)

people pay a lot of money to Microsoft

$39.99

Windows 8 Pro Upgrade $280 (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about a year ago | (#44211895)

people pay a lot of money to Microsoft

$39.99

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows/buy?ocid=GA8_O_WOL_Hero_ShopHP_FPP_Null [microsoft.com] from the Windows sales page the cheapest...read crippled (Windows 8 upgrade) its $150 for the less crippled version (Windows 8 Pro)$280. They do not offer a retail version...the price must be horrendous.

Re:Windows 8 Pro Upgrade $280 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44212105)

The retail version is now the OEM version which is listed on Amazon at $90 for Windows 8 and $130 for Windows 8 Pro. Windows 8 is comparable to the "Home Premium" edition of Windows 7 and Windows 8 Pro is comparable to the "Ultimate" edition of Windows 7. Most users will not need or ever use the additional advanced features in Windows 8 Pro.

I'm just glad I got in on the $15 Windows 8 Pro deal while it was around.

Re:Why? (2, Informative)

jones_supa (887896) | about a year ago | (#44211639)

The difference is people pay a lot of money to Microsoft to do one thing, make a good operating system. I'm not paying anything for Linux so I don't expect them to be perfect at all.

That's also why I like Win and Mac: when I pay, I get a premium OS, with less bugs, missing features and crashes, than I have with a Linux desktop distro.

Re:Why? (1)

Brad1138 (590148) | about a year ago | (#44211849)

You paid for Windows?

More Crashes on Microsoft (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about a year ago | (#44211859)

That's also why I like Win and Mac: when I pay, I get a premium OS, with less bugs, missing features and crashes, than I have with a Linux desktop distro.

A quick look at my computer uptime 21:45:37 up 4 days, 22:40, 2 users, load average: 0.66, 0.60, 0.58

The fact that you are marked informative is quite scary...the fact that that you did so using the word "premium" shows how far we have fallen in terms of real measures, and how much we live with unsubstantiated bullshit terms.

From a study http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05/03/macbook_pro_most_reliable_windows_pc/ [theregister.co.uk] On 37,000 Apple and Windows computers still on sale(new) it recorded 224,144 crashes, 250,791 non-responsive events (in which an app hangs for five seconds or longer) and 84,251 blue screen of death incidents in three months.

A Linux user would not call that a "Premium" they would call it "Trash"

Re:More Crashes on Microsoft (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44212127)

Is a 4 day uptime supposed to be impressive? My PC running Windows 8 has a current uptime of over 4 months.

Re:Why? (1)

Billly Gates (198444) | about a year ago | (#44211875)

I am shocked a comment like this made it to plus +4?

Premium or not start using Windows 8.1 and your opinion will change quite rapidly of what a premium OS is. A little hint that start8 to emulate Windows 7 wont work anymore.

Man Macs are expensive and so last decade. But shoot when this computer starts to age which it is begining to show already I wont know what to do?

Re:Why? (-1, Flamebait)

Nerdfest (867930) | about a year ago | (#44212171)

Missing features and crashes? Have you even used Linux?

Re:Why? (1, Troll)

erroneus (253617) | about a year ago | (#44211597)

Perhaps Microsoft would also be applauded if they didn't hold their fixes open for the NSA and FBI to exploit their customers with.

We used to wonder for the longest time why, when we told Microsoft about vilnerabilities they would refuse to acknowledge them and when they finally might acknowledge them, they would take months or even years to fix. Recent news clarifies this nicely.

Now we can't say if this is true of every instance of every bug reporting, but we have proof that the US government has tainted Microsoft and therefore gives good cause to be suspicious of pretty much everything they do now.

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44211743)

You are right! Why do we get updates for all the security issues that Micro $oft fixes? We don't get news about all the Debian or RedHat security issues.

Re:Why? (2)

Shavano (2541114) | about a year ago | (#44211925)

Because people care if Windows has bugs.

Re:Why? (2)

TheQuantumShift (175338) | about a year ago | (#44212143)

I'm not concerned that they are releasing updates, my concern is with how long it takes before they acknowledge a bug and release a fix. With OSS, the fix is released ASAP (at least that's the theory), with proprietary software... Well, here's a car analogy that might help [imdb.com] :

"A new car built by my company leaves somewhere traveling at 60 mph. The rear differential locks up. The car crashes and burns with everyone trapped inside. Now, should we initiate a recall? Take the number of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one."

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44211243)

They are just finally fixing all the issues they left open for the NSA.

No biggie...

Re:Why? (2)

ls671 (1122017) | about a year ago | (#44211475)

all the issues they left open.

Not *all*, just the ones that aren't zero day anymore and that are too well known by script kiddies. I must be kidding of course...

Re:Why? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44211361)

Probably just the zero day vunerabilities that NSA are using, would be such a bitch if Snowden would choose to publish them

Information thats been set free is useful, isn't it ?

Re:Why? (0)

mitcheli (894743) | about a year ago | (#44211479)

I thought they fixed all the security bugs. Wasn't that the whole point of the big push with their decade of trustworthy computing [microsoft.com] ? Well, it's been over a decade now...

The NSA requested them (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44211501)

They were having some stuttering issues related to watching every screen on the face of the planet earth.

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44211529)

I haven't noticed any security problems with Windows. Why do they release this?

MSCE job security.

Microsoft does a helluva job making toy system admins job's dependent upon the mothership.

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44212041)

Microsoft has gone through great lengths to make security holes transparent to the end user.

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44212185)

Yes, everyone applaud the emperor's new clothes.

A side effect of code reuse?? (1)

haruchai (17472) | about a year ago | (#44211121)

  If so, I guess this is one of the downsides.

Re:A side effect of code reuse?? (2)

NoNonAlphaCharsHere (2201864) | about a year ago | (#44211139)

That can't be, since Windows has been "completely rewritten" twice between XP and 8.1.

Re:A side effect of code reuse?? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44211185)

You men the kernel isn't really VMS anymore? Did David Cutler die, or did Microsoft finally figure out why his final project over at DEC got canceled and decided to pursue Ultrix instead?

Re:A side effect of code reuse?? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44211569)

Fantastic example. Guess that's why DEC and Ultrix are doing so well these days.

Re:A side effect of code reuse?? (1)

MobSwatter (2884921) | about a year ago | (#44211983)

That can't be, since Windows has been "completely rewritten" twice between XP and 8.1.

"[Trusted] computing" implemented a decade ago meant: "Cross platform access", it's all about context, and pretext!!!

Yeah. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44211133)

... and some new NSA backdoors, since the old ones have been compromised.

SeLinux = NSA backdoors (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44211331)

4 "Open SORES".

It has been a busy month (4, Funny)

gmuslera (3436) | about a year ago | (#44211161)

A lot of systems that had to be compromised by the NSA and associates [techweekeurope.co.uk] before this patch could finally be released.

Issues in remote code execution vulnerabilities (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44211177)

What? NSA lost their key? Install a new one?

Why wait? (0)

schwit1 (797399) | about a year ago | (#44211187)

The longer people have to wait to install the fixes the more it helps the bad guys and government snoops. Yeah I know that's redundant these days.

A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.
- Edward R. Murrow

Re:Why wait? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44211655)

But don't you believe in "Responsible Disclosure"? I guess it just goes to show who Microsoft sees they're Responsible to. Keep on using that Windows software, people! You've got nothing to hide, right? And if you do, the NSA will find it.

Captcha: consents

So... (5, Insightful)

SCPRedMage (838040) | about a year ago | (#44211197)

...it's a normal Patch Tuesday? How the hell is this news?

Re:So... (1)

jones_supa (887896) | about a year ago | (#44211235)

Was thinking the same.

Re:So... (2)

iggymanz (596061) | about a year ago | (#44211293)

windows slashdot users were feeling left out with all the stories of linux kernel minor version releases and linus' random brain farts in forums.

Re:So... (1)

jones_supa (887896) | about a year ago | (#44211695)

It's still sad that there is actually a lot of cool stuff (Azure, Visual Studio, PowerShell...) happening in the Windows world too, but it never shows up here due to the heavy OSS slant. I'm more of a platform-agnostic myself.

Liar :) (1, Informative)

tuppe666 (904118) | about a year ago | (#44211961)

I'm more of a platform-agnostic myself.

No your not your consistently anti-oss and there is nothing wrong with that, hell whatever floats your boat, but platform-agnostic you are not.

Re:So... (1)

danomac (1032160) | about a year ago | (#44211605)

Microsoft patches flaws on regularly scheduled patch day. News at 11.

Re:So... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44212137)

Oh, so it's normal to patch six critical and one important security bug, three of the critical in Windows itself (not being pointable to an auxiliary program/library like IE or .NET), with most applicable to almost all versions of Windows from at least 2008*? Or is this one of those understatement things? Like how in 2001, when the twin towers went down. I'm sure you were like, "What's the big deal? Buildings get knocked down all the time!"

*It could go back as far as 2001 (or even older) as they mention Windows XP SP3, but I presume Win XP SP2 and older NT systems aren't mentioned because they're covered by MS's support, not because they're not affected.

Critical in which sense? Update dangerous? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44211225)

or introducing more critical bugs, backdoors or new remote-logins for NSA or maybe french secret agencies?

A request... (4, Interesting)

Anachragnome (1008495) | about a year ago | (#44211237)

I do not have the ability to do so, but could someone that is able to do so please make a close comparison before/after changes?

They might be trying to cover their tracks in terms NSA backdoors--hide the evidence to minimize the coverage--and the changes they make with updates might shed some light on those backdoors.

Re:A request... (-1, Offtopic)

Anachragnome (1008495) | about a year ago | (#44211477)

I've been paying CLOSE attention to the moderation in this thread.

At one point, there had been 7 posts that were modded UP. That number is now 2 posts. All five of the posts subsequently modded downwards relate to the NSA and back-doors in MS products (including registers users that start with a 1 point advantage--all sitting a zero points now).

The only posts modded up, as I write this, are the joke/sarcasm first post, and a post that questions why this is even news.

Re:A request... (1)

lxs (131946) | about a year ago | (#44211517)

Either it's a big conspiracy or someone modded five people up and then decided to post in the thread thereby undoing their mods.
The NSA is too busy tapping your phone to bother with slashdot posts.

Re:A request... (2, Interesting)

Anachragnome (1008495) | about a year ago | (#44211691)

"Either it's a big conspiracy or someone modded five people up and then decided to post in the thread thereby undoing their mods."

While that may be, there are many here on Slashdot that have long been accused of being "Conspiracy Theorists"--myself included--that have been vindicated by the "conspiracy" exposed by Edward Snowden.

All I am asking is that people here be aware that there are many methods to stifle dissent, and that social media (Slashdot included) is now a powerful tool to both monitor and shape public opinion. And lets be serious about the readership of Slashdot--there are many great minds sharing ideas here on Slashdot (I really don't include myself in this category)--and some of those great minds don't necessarily agree with our government. I'd really like to hear NewYorkCountryLawyer's opinions on all of this.

Isn't this the entire purpose of the Prism program, to monitor and minimize the actions of those that don't agree with our government? Hasn't there been enough proof that that program has been turned inwards, targeting US Citizens? Why wouldn't they attempt to manipulate public opinion at this juncture? Why would they ignore any potential means of doing so?

I stand by my previous statements and allusions--Slashdot is being manipulated to both sway public opinion against Edward Snowden and to minimize the damage to the security apparatus.

"The NSA is too busy tapping your phone to bother with slashdot posts."

30000 to 40000 employees.

"In 2012 John C. Inglis, the deputy director, said that the total number of NSA employees is "somewhere between 37,000 and one billion" as a joke." Wikipedia

Re:A request... (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44211857)

http://pastebin.com/irj4Fyd5

Re:A request... (3, Interesting)

xiando (770382) | about a year ago | (#44212069)

All I am asking is that people here be aware that there are many methods to stifle dissent, and that social media (Slashdot included) is now a powerful tool to both monitor and shape public opinion.

I first noticed that some subjects and opinions are silently removed from Slashdot back in 2004. Glad you're finally catching on. Using a site with a high number of visitors? Expect this sort of thing.

Re:A request... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44211539)

I've been paying CLOSE attention to the moderation in this thread.

Consider getting a life.

At one point, there had been 7 posts that were modded UP. That number is now 2 posts. All five of the posts subsequently modded downwards relate to the NSA and back-doors in MS products (including registers users that start with a 1 point advantage--all sitting a zero points now).

The only posts modded up, as I write this, are the joke/sarcasm first post, and a post that questions why this is even news.

What's your point? The only evidence you've demonstrated is that you are a loser conspiracy theorist.

Re:A request... (1)

MobSwatter (2884921) | about a year ago | (#44211649)

In Soviet US: Nothing drives the manufacture of conspiracy theorists like the NSA's nose up one's A$$.

Re:A request... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44211977)

I've been paying CLOSE attention to the moderation in this thread.

Consider getting a life.

At one point, there had been 7 posts that were modded UP. That number is now 2 posts. All five of the posts subsequently modded downwards relate to the NSA and back-doors in MS products (including registers users that start with a 1 point advantage--all sitting a zero points now).

The only posts modded up, as I write this, are the joke/sarcasm first post, and a post that questions why this is even news.

What's your point? The only evidence you've demonstrated is that you are a loser conspiracy theorist.

Nice try, you getting paid for this?

Re:A request... (1)

Teun (17872) | about a year ago | (#44211667)

So the NSA has a back door to get /. mod points, you surprised?

Re:A request... (1)

Corona Extra (2975551) | about a year ago | (#44211865)

The question is, why did CmdrTaco give that ability to them?

Re:A request... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44211777)

oh I would like a complete before-after of *all* updates (of winXP of course)
Perhaps a webpage that lists for all updates what files have changed, perhaps with filter functions so I can exclude some updates that only update files I'm not interested in, stupid daylight saving changes etc. Maybe colorcoding of the updates could be nice too, and some warning icon for the updates you should avoid like wga. perhaps a line-through on updates that is completely replaced by later updates.

well one can dream :-)
I assume it would require lots of work to make this

XP? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44211257)

I bet that pissed them off, the timing was bad and wish that they could have used it as an excuse to get more people off XP. "sorry, its not supported anymore and you are as open as a broken screen door "

Updates will open more NSA holes (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44211291)

Microsoft riddles its products with backdoors for use by the NSA. Gradually many of these exploits are discovered by 'tame' security researchers and sold to agencies of friendly nations. Then, of course, the highly organised criminal gangs that operate out of Israel and East Europe start to use the backdoors for cruder illicit gain. Eventually the knowledge of the exploits becomes far too widespread, so...

Everytime MS updates, it is closing old holes and opening new ones. Microsoft loves the process, for it breeds into the tiny brains of betas that all operating systems suffer 'bit rot', and therefore MUST be periodically updated (to Microsoft's great profit).

SeLinux = NSA backdoors (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44211567)

4 "Open SORES"

news announcement (0)

techneeks (1374735) | about a year ago | (#44211373)

M$ is now patching security vulnerabilities after the NSA claims they are no longer useful.

Re:news announcement (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44211687)

Hee hee, you used a dollar sign when you wrote MS, that's pretty frickin' funny. Oh man, you combined it with an NSA joke, too; you're a goddamn Mitch Hedberg (RIP).

Re: news announcement (1)

techneeks (1374735) | about a year ago | (#44211759)

one does what one can ;)

SeLinux = NSA backdoors (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44212107)

4 "Open SORES"!

Look On xp (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44211385)

What Does THe Update Look Like On Windows xp

Well (-1, Redundant)

lesincompetent (2836253) | about a year ago | (#44211457)

Deleting all those NSA backdoors is a helluva job.

Re:Well (5, Informative)

AbrasiveCat (999190) | about a year ago | (#44211551)

Deleting all those NSA backdoors is a helluva job.

No, No, you don't get it. These are installing the new backdoors.

Day 16 in Linux Mint (3, Insightful)

SuperCharlie (1068072) | about a year ago | (#44211511)

While I know it wont make me invisible, I voted with my OS and have taken the Linux plunge. I am quite happy and comfortable in Mint. I have found all the tools I need and if nothing else, maybe it will take a few more cycles to keep me under the NSA thumb.

Re:Day 16 in Linux Mint (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44211693)

I did the exact same just recently with Linux Mint 15 x64 and I have to say that it's been working pretty nicely without error. The modified version of Gnome 3 looks and functions pretty well compared to what's out there. Just my opinion.

-- stoops

Re:Day 16 in Linux Mint (2)

spire3661 (1038968) | about a year ago | (#44211739)

Try to make it so your screen wont blank using GUI tools.....go on, ill wait. Simple shit like that is what prevents me from using Linux as a desktop. The control panel is missing well over 50 elements compared to win or mac.

Re:Day 16 in Linux Mint (2)

devent (1627873) | about a year ago | (#44211863)

> Try to make it so your screen wont blank using GUI tools

What that even suppose to mean?

> The control panel is missing well over 50 elements compared to win or mac.

Like what?

PS: I'm a full time Linux user, Fedora with KDE4.

Re:Day 16 in Linux Mint (1)

spire3661 (1038968) | about a year ago | (#44212047)

I cant prevent Mint or Ubuntu from blanking the screen (shutting off the monitor) using the GUI. It requires several commands at the CLI for several programs and still doesn't work right. There is no way to change the behavior of the power button in GUI as well. These are just the roadblocks I ran into recently.

Re:Day 16 in Linux Mint (1)

0123456 (636235) | about a year ago | (#44212061)

I cant prevent Mint or Ubuntu from blanking the screen (shutting off the monitor) using the GUI. It requires several commands at the CLI for several programs and still doesn't work right.

How very odd. I just went to System/Preferences/Power Management and the monitor setting is right there.

Re:Day 16 in Linux Mint (1)

Nerdfest (867930) | about a year ago | (#44212209)

In Gnome 2 there were several widgets like Caffeine that would also let you disable it via the tool bar. Not sure if there's anything available since the unity/Gnome3 insanity.

Re:Day 16 in Linux Mint (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44211763)

Hope you know about this...

http://www.linuxmint.com/searchengines.php

Re:Day 16 in Linux Mint (1)

JDG1980 (2438906) | about a year ago | (#44211793)

How is Wine compatibility on newer versions of MS Office, Adobe Photoshop, and Lightroom these days? It's been a couple months since I checked, but last time I looked it was pretty lackluster.

Re:Day 16 in Linux Mint (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44211885)

Hate to mention this to you, but might want to read up on the backdoor that the FBI paid a company years back to put a backdoor in OpenBSD. The project leader, Theo de Radtt, admitted that allegations were true, but after an audit of all the code, he didn't think there was a backdoor present. But it's not like the FBI, or NSA would give up after one try right? Anyways, if the US government was willing to compromise one of the most reputably secure OS's out there, what makes you think they wouldn't try to do the same for Linux. Despite what Red Hat says about its security, I really don't consider SELinux to be secure against NSA hacking. And since the SELinux stuff is built into the kernel, that means kernels are suspect too.

The point of this message? Don't get too comfortable thinking your secure from intrusions just because you switch to Linux.

Re:Day 16 in Linux Mint (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44212027)

Show me where he said this was true please.

Re:Day 16 in Linux Mint (1)

Grishnakh (216268) | about a year ago | (#44212155)

The SELinux stuff is open-source, just like the rest of the kernel, so it's available for anyone to do a security audit on.

I don't know if anyone's actually bothered, of course, but the code is there in the open.

Coming To Windows XP, 8, RT & Server (1)

Tarlus (1000874) | about a year ago | (#44211643)

...but if you're running Vista or 7, you're on your own. At least, according to Slashdot's headline...

This is news? (5, Interesting)

JDG1980 (2438906) | about a year ago | (#44211757)

Doesn't Microsoft patch these kind of security holes every Patch Tuesday? How is this one special?

their patches can no longer be trusted (4, Interesting)

0111 1110 (518466) | about a year ago | (#44211873)

All joking aside, can any of us trust their patches now that it has been comfirmed that Microsoft is effectively a branch of the NSA? What percentage of these updates were sponsored and ordered by the NSA? Are only 30% of the changes for the benefit of the NSA? 70%? There is no way to know.

Re:their patches can no longer be trusted (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44212059)

Nonsense. By that logic you can trust their patches as much as you can trust the OS, so that shouldn't be a reason to update or not to update.

Re:their patches can no longer be trusted (4, Insightful)

Anachragnome (1008495) | about a year ago | (#44212153)

"All joking aside, can any of us trust their patches now that it has been comfirmed that Microsoft is effectively a branch of the NSA?"

All joking aside. Excellent idea.

How many of you folks are squirming right now, wondering if any of your code managed to end up inadvertently being used in the Prism program? How many of you are wondering how this will impact your job? How many of you are wondering what you might have said in the past, things that you are afraid might be exposed by this? How many Microsoft employees are now worrying about their social life, now that everyone knows Microsoft is neck-deep in NSA spying? Will they be ostracized? What about Google employees? Might they become targets for recriminations? Have you been hiding your affiliations with implicated companies? Will that one friend you confided in turn on you, out you to others that they know will shun you as a result? How much more do we NOT know about? What will the next leaked document reveal? How many of you even care (or dare to care openly)?

See where I am going with this?

Fear. I see it between the lines in forum posts (not just here on Slashdot), I see it in the public pronouncements from public officials around the world, I see it amongst the world's journalists (some fear not the personal costs, but the costs to the entire idea of journalism). I see it coming from the NSA themselves.

This is East Germany, all over again--the NSA literally has us spying on each other, inadvertently or not. Secrecy=Fear=the need for secrecy. Both sides of the equation are feeling it. Did you just hesitate before you sent that email? Have you resigned yourself to the fact that privacy is now dead? Do you fear the repercussions of standing up for your rights?

Do you fear doing nothing?

Windows Java Browser Plugin (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44212071)

Any people complain about Java browser plugin vulnerabilities. Microsoft Windows must be the most insecure OS in the world. Thousands of security patches have been released to fix its archaic and fragile foundation and every second Tuesday more security patches arrive.

Something seriously wrong .. (1)

dgharmon (2564621) | about a year ago | (#44212135)

There's something seriously wrong with the present-day computing that such vulnerabilities are continually being discovered. The only solution being an endless patch cycle. Why isn't it possible to make a compiler that produces enduser safe software?
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