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iOS 7 Beta 3 Now Available For iPhone, iPad and iPod Touch

samzenpus posted about a year ago | from the get-it-while-it's-hot dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Apple on Monday released iOS 7 beta 3 for the iPhone, iPad and iPod touch to developers. Apple unveiled iOS 7 during its WWDC 2013 keynote in early June, and the new software was met with mixed responses. While some believe iOS 7 is a big leap forward in terms of innovation, BGR said that iOS 7 focused mainly on renovation rather than the introduction of innovative new features. Of course, Apple still may have some surprises in store for the release version of iOS 7 this fall, especially considering the next-generation iPhone 5S is expected to launch around the same time with an integrated fingerprint scanner."

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Unless you have a 1st gen iPad ... (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44217807)

Because they dropped support for those after iOS 5.

Which is why I now own an Android tablet, because two years after launch, Apple said "fuck you", so I'm just saying it back.

Re:Unless you have a 1st gen iPad ... (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44217847)

yeah, because you will get a decade of updates from samsung or asus

Re:Unless you have a 1st gen iPad ... (4, Insightful)

interkin3tic (1469267) | about a year ago | (#44218351)

No, but you could update them yourself with ROMS from the community. Good luck doing that with iproducts that are no longer supported.

Re:Unless you have a 1st gen iPad ... (4, Insightful)

Bill_the_Engineer (772575) | about a year ago | (#44218605)

Actually Android suffers from the same hardware limits as iOS. For example the latest version from CyanogenMod you can get on the HTC G1 is "froyo" while the MyTouch 4G only supports up to "gingerbread".

You can only squeeze so much features on older hardware with slower CPUs and more importantly smaller memory.

Re:Unless you have a 1st gen iPad ... (1)

interkin3tic (1469267) | about a year ago | (#44218911)

True. But at least with android, you can be sure it's limited by hardware, as opposed to the manufacturer artificially deciding that your device is now obsolete.

Re:Unless you have a 1st gen iPad ... (4, Interesting)

the_B0fh (208483) | about a year ago | (#44218975)

Since Apple has provided updates to the iPhone 3GS up till now, your claims are not credible.

Re:Unless you have a 1st gen iPad ... (1)

Aditi Kumer (2970529) | about a year ago | (#44219067)

For 1st beta I restored my iphone five to 6.1.4, activated it on itunes(don`t touch it, make sure it`s activated only trough itunes and still is with that "IPHONE" on the lock screen. Then I restored it to the iOS7 beta 1, which worked. But never tried for the following betas, I restored it back to iOS 6 before the launch of beta 2, I didn`t want to risk it. If anyone wants to try, tell me after c;http://computersbds.blogspot.com/ [slashdot.org] ">please visit it

Re:Unless you have a 1st gen iPad ... (2)

cseg (253752) | about a year ago | (#44219047)

If updating with community/unsupported firmware is on the table, then you can do the same. iOS has whited00r [whited00r.com] .

Re:Unless you have a 1st gen iPad ... (2)

Martyn Hare (2928045) | about a year ago | (#44218999)

The Nexus line has a good track record with that; unlike Apple. There's also Surface Pro for a bit more longevity (5 years minimum)

Re:Unless you have a 1st gen iPad ... (5, Insightful)

kharbour (559204) | about a year ago | (#44217887)

Plus there is the small issue that once your iPad1 is updated to iOS5, apps crash all the time as the iPad1 does not have enough memory any more. And you can't roll back to iOS 4. And if you decide to write your own private apps for your own iPad, you have to buy a Mac, pay Apple $99 a year, and keep provisioning every 3 months. Needless to say, I've also switched to Android.

Re:Unless you have a 1st gen iPad ... (0)

David Betz (2845597) | about a year ago | (#44218085)

This is my exact experience as well.

Re:Unless you have a 1st gen iPad ... (4, Informative)

gstoddart (321705) | about a year ago | (#44218295)

Plus there is the small issue that once your iPad1 is updated to iOS5, apps crash all the time as the iPad1 does not have enough memory any more. And you can't roll back to iOS 4.

Whatever person marked this as flamebait is an overzealous fanboi -- this pretty much exactly describes what happened with my first gen iPad.

Everything crashes all the time, and the device has become rather useless and slow from what it started out as.

I'm going to try to reset it to factory and see what I end up with -- if it goes all the way back to the way I got it, I might not even take the OS upgrade, and just put a skeleton set of software on it and leave it that way.

Like the poster, I'm looking into Android alternatives to the iPad.

Re:Unless you have a 1st gen iPad ... (-1)

Aditi Kumer (2970529) | about a year ago | (#44219099)

I obviously posted that before anyone updated.http://bastcomputer.blogspot.com/ [slashdot.org] ">please visit it

Re:Unless you have a 1st gen iPad ... (2)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44219229)

Everything crashes all the time, and the device has become rather useless and slow from what it started out as.

The sad story of every personal computer ever made.

Nobody supports your old platform because there are newer ones, leaving you to run the software last designed for it. /shock /surprise
Software makers can say "Version X of our application now requires platform version Z" but you'd moan about the arbitrariness of those numbers.

Re:Unless you have a 1st gen iPad ... (4, Informative)

StuartHankins (1020819) | about a year ago | (#44218727)

Wish it wasn't true, but you hit the nail on the head. My iPad 1 is much less useful now than it was out of the box.

Re:Unless you have a 1st gen iPad ... (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44217897)

Three years.

Re:Unless you have a 1st gen iPad ... (-1, Troll)

JackieBrown (987087) | about a year ago | (#44217943)

Obvious troll - You picked the most obvious issue that people have with Android devices to inspire rants against Android devices.

Re:Unless you have a 1st gen iPad ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44218049)

Troll? What the fuck are you talking about?

I bought an iPad, Apple stopped releasing OS updates for it after about 2.5 years, and it has become a crashy, unstable thing.

I still use the iPad for some things (still the best way to get digital copies of films), but for the price and other reasons, it was easier to buy a Nexus tablet and mostly shift to that.

Pointing out my actual experience as a customer isn't trolling.

Re:Unless you have a 1st gen iPad ... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44218161)

Shut up troll.

Re:Unless you have a 1st gen iPad ... (1)

sixsixtysix (1110135) | about a year ago | (#44218615)

I still use the iPad for some things (still the best way to get digital copies of films

trolling for sure.
blu-ray is currently the best way to get digital copies of films, in terms of video and audio quality anyways, which is the entire point of having it.
furthermore, with the right tools and a middle-finger to the DMCA, you can put that film on damn near any device you want.
how is locking it to iproducts a better way?

Re:Unless you have a 1st gen iPad ... (0, Troll)

gstoddart (321705) | about a year ago | (#44218839)

blu-ray is currently the best way to get digital copies of films, in terms of video and audio quality anyways, which is the entire point of having it.

Well, it is a digital copy in that it has bits, but it's not a portable digital copy. With iTunes, you can get the movie and put it on any of your devices -- iPod, iPad, iPhone and play them wherever you like, and on as many devices as you own.

I don't consider a disc to be a digital copy.

how is locking it to iproducts a better way?

Well, the Digital Copy which you can get from iTunes and with many new movies is better than nothing, and it's a damned sight better than the Ultraviolet crap -- because you apparently can't watch an Ultraviolet movie on a plane because it needs to connect to the server. Which, pretty much invalidates the whole purpose of the portable digital copy for me. Ultraviolet doesn't give you any ability to actually use it from what I can tell, and my one experience with it told me it's not something I'm prepared to mess with.

I'm not saying it's perfect, but short of going through the long process of ripping films yourself, or downloading from the internet, you can at least get a legal copy you can take with you.

So, if you want to buy the movie in a store (like some of us do), and be able to immediately get a legal, portable copy of the movie to take with you, it falls into the "good enough" category. Because for me, being able to watch a movie on a plane or in my hotel room or anywhere I don't have an internet connection is something worth paying having.

Re:Unless you have a 1st gen iPad ... (-1)

the_B0fh (208483) | about a year ago | (#44219017)

Ooops, clicked submitted too fast. Any ideas why people are complaining about these?

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/06/19/nexus-7-performance-problems_n_3464217.html [huffingtonpost.co.uk]

"I can't find one person who has been using the Nexus 7 for an extended period of time, and hasn't seen a massive downgrade in performance," Earley writes.

"I cannot pick up my Nexus 7 without experiencing problems like a lag of ten seconds, or more, just to rotate the display; touches refusing to acknowledged; stuttering notification panel actions; and unresponsive apps."

And he's not alone. Beneath the piece dozens of Nexus 7 users say they have also experienced issues, while Google's own forums hold similarly dispiriting tales.

"I have all the same exact issues. Horrific lag when doing anything in the browser, any simple multi-tasking, and at least one crash/reboot per hour," said one user, Kunal Patel.

Re:Unless you have a 1st gen iPad ... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44217947)

You're right, so many Android tablets get updates for two years... Wait no... Most don't even get updates for 1 month, and none get updates for 2 years.

Re:Unless you have a 1st gen iPad ... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44218181)

At $200, a Google Nexus is disposable technology.

At the prices Apple charges for even an iPad mini no way.

If Apple thinks I'm going to drop $600-$1000 on a device they plan on abandoning after two years ... well, fuck 'em.

My 10 year old iPod still works with iTunes just fine, and you can still get Windows updates for XP.

Re:Unless you have a 1st gen iPad ... (1, Insightful)

spiffydudex (1458363) | about a year ago | (#44218237)

Sounds like you're not the intended demographic for Apple. You need more hipster or fanboi to properly appreciate the lost value of the Apple product.

Apples lost residual value (5, Interesting)

tuppe666 (904118) | about a year ago | (#44218483)

Sounds like you're not the intended demographic for Apple. You need more hipster or fanboi to properly appreciate the lost value of the Apple product.

Probably not, but his point is that Apple used to have long support cycles, and good second hand value. Traditionally many Apple owners benefited from this, and justified some of its premium price for a mid-range product. The effects of reduced support cycles due to its expanded product lines...and move towards disposable electronics, removed a lot of value from its products. A move that will affect the Apple faithful more than these new hipster or fanboi you talk about who if anything have the latest Samsung.

Re:Apples lost residual value (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44218533)

Okay, so he's complaining that his device being 6 months out of getting software updates makes it too old to be usable. Lets compare then...

iPad:
3 years of support + 6 months of waiting for it to get too old to be usable –$500

Random $200 android device:
6 months waiting for it to get too old to be usable –$200
6 months waiting for the next one to get too old to be usable –$200
6 months waiting for the next one to get too old to be usable –$200
6 months waiting for the next one to get too old to be usable –$200
6 months waiting for the next one to get too old to be usable –$200
6 months waiting for the next one to get too old to be usable –$200
6 months waiting for the next one to get too old to be usable –$200
Total: $1400

Doesn't look like the iPad is expensive to me.

Re:Apples lost residual value (2)

0123456 (636235) | about a year ago | (#44218559)

Doesn't look like the iPad is expensive to me.

Except most Android software runs happily on old versions, and my Asus tablet is still getting OS updates a couple of years after I bought it.

Google seem to be pushing for carriers to provide updates so they can get developers to develop for new Android versions, not because the old hardware can't run current software.

Re:Apples lost residual value (0)

the_B0fh (208483) | about a year ago | (#44219029)

Now I know you're full of shit. Are you telling me a 2 year old Asus tablet is now running Ice Cream sandwich?

Or are you saying you still get v2.x updates?

Re:Apples lost residual value (1)

Wing_Zero (692394) | about a year ago | (#44219375)

Actually, Asus is very good about Updates. My old TF101 (original transformer tablet) got updates to 4.0 before asus said it would stop (cyanogen has a build for 4.2.0, but i traded it in for the tf701, Sweet machine)

Or numerous other Android devices ... (1, Troll)

perpenso (1613749) | about a year ago | (#44217963)

Unless you have a 1st gen iPad because they dropped support for those after iOS 5. Which is why I now own an Android tablet, ...

Hopefully that Android tablet is not a 1st gen Kindle Fire because they were release with Android 2.3 and were never upgraded. Now if you buy a brand new Kindle Fire you can have Android 4. Many other Android devices have also never been updated to 4.0.

In contrast to the first gen Kindle Fire that never got upgraded from Android 2.3 the first gen iPad shipped with iOS 3.2 and was upgraded to 4.0, 4.1, 4.2, 4.3, 5.0 and 5.1.

Re:Or numerous other Android devices ... (2)

gl4ss (559668) | about a year ago | (#44218037)

1st gen kindle fire was android derived, not technically android. never sold as an android tablet, didn't have any of googles stuff..

besides, it's pretty much 2.3. practically all stuff released on google play(or wherever else markets) still works with it if you just get it on it..
I think they just saved a wee bit too much money with buttons on that thing.

I mean, fuck, if you're going to pick an android device to talk shit about you would have had a lot to pick from! dozens of 2.0 and 2.2 devices. ziio's or whatever, heck even 1.6 devices! anyhow, on android derived devices it doesn't matter as much as it does on ios if support is "dropped", because, you know, you're not tied to the fucking market for the software.

Re:Or numerous other Android devices ... (2)

perpenso (1613749) | about a year ago | (#44218151)

... if you're going to pick an android device ...

It would seem appropriate to pick the Kindle Fire, the best selling Android tablet. Tablet v tablet, 1st gen v 1st gen, best seller v best seller, etc.

Re:Or numerous other Android devices ... (2)

0123456 (636235) | about a year ago | (#44218493)

It would seem appropriate to pick the Kindle Fire, the best selling Android tablet. Tablet v tablet, 1st gen v 1st gen, best seller v best seller, etc.

$200 vs $600, etc.

Re:Or numerous other Android devices ... (4, Informative)

perpenso (1613749) | about a year ago | (#44218607)

It would seem appropriate to pick the Kindle Fire, the best selling Android tablet. Tablet v tablet, 1st gen v 1st gen, best seller v best seller, etc.

$200 vs $600, etc.

Actually it was $500. For the record this $500 device received six major OS upgrades (3.2 to 4.0, 4.1, 4.2, 4.3, 5.0 and 5.1), the $200 device received zero.

Re:Or numerous other Android devices ... (1, Insightful)

0123456 (636235) | about a year ago | (#44219013)

Actually it was $500. For the record this $500 device received six major OS upgrades (3.2 to 4.0, 4.1, 4.2, 4.3, 5.0 and 5.1), the $200 device received zero.

And in breaking news, a cheap device isn't supported as well as an expensive device. Full story at eleven.

So, does the lack of OS upgrades have any impact at all on its intended use for reading books downloaded from Amazon, listening to music downloaded from Amazon, or playing videos downloaded from Amazon?

Re:Or numerous other Android devices ... (3, Insightful)

Plumpaquatsch (2701653) | about a year ago | (#44218601)

1st gen kindle fire was android derived, not technically android. never sold as an android tablet, didn't have any of googles stuff..

Just like the latest Kindle - yet you have no problem counting it for Android marketshare.

Re:Or numerous other Android devices ... (1)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about a year ago | (#44218261)

Unless you have a 1st gen iPad because they dropped support for those after iOS 5. Which is why I now own an Android tablet, ...

Hopefully that Android tablet is not a 1st gen Kindle Fire because they were release with Android 2.3 and were never upgraded.

http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=update+kindle+fire+to+android+4 [lmgtfy.com]

Many other Android devices have also never been updated to 4.0.

http://wiki.cyanogenmod.org/w/Devices [cyanogenmod.org]

My point being, the majority of Android users do have options, albeit not necessarily approved by the Corporate Overlords. With Apple, you get what they sell you and not one bit more, and if you so much as try to roll-your-own setup (i.e., jailbreak), they'll come down on your loyal ass like Mjölnir.

Re:Or numerous other Android devices ... (0)

perpenso (1613749) | about a year ago | (#44218529)

My point being, the majority of Android users do have options, albeit not necessarily approved by the Corporate Overlords.

Yes and no. The majority of Android users do not have the necessary knowledge, expertise or confidence to exercise those options.

Re:Or numerous other Android devices ... (1)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about a year ago | (#44218947)

My point being, the majority of Android users do have options, albeit not necessarily approved by the Corporate Overlords.

Yes and no. The majority of Android users do not have the necessary knowledge, expertise or confidence to exercise those options.

False equivalence - not knowing about or how to exercise those options doesn't change the fact they have them, and Apple users do not.

Re:Unless you have a 1st gen iPad ... (5, Insightful)

Quila (201335) | about a year ago | (#44218281)

My family has had three Android phones. None of them were released with the latest Android OS, and none of them ever had an official upgrade to the latest Android OS of the time. With one of them, we bought the phone only on the promise by the manufacturer that it would be upgraded to Android 4.x (the hardware is capable), and that won't be happening.

These three Android phone companies said "fuck you" from the very beginning. Never. Again.

The original iPad could run the latest iOS for 2.5 years after its introduction, 1.5 years after its discontinuation. That's far better than the official Android support you'll see.

Re:Unless you have a 1st gen iPad ... (1)

Citizen of Earth (569446) | about a year ago | (#44218573)

If OS support is important to you, then go with Google's Nexus Android devices. They always get quick updates.

Re:Unless you have a 1st gen iPad ... (4, Informative)

FireFury03 (653718) | about a year ago | (#44218825)

If OS support is important to you, then go with Google's Nexus Android devices. They always get quick updates.

Still *very* hit and miss. For example, the Nexus S was released in December 2010 and Google announced there would be no more software updates for it in November 2012. So thats under 2 years of software updates.

The successor to the Nexus S - the Galaxy Nexus - went on sale in November 2011. So realistically, if you wanted a Nexus device in October 2011 you would've got a whole 1 year's worth of software updates for your money. I'd accept that for a £20 phone, but these things are a similar price to a laptop, and a Windows laptop would have around 10 years of security updates from Microsoft after you bought it...

Re:Unless you have a 1st gen iPad ... (1)

Quila (201335) | about a year ago | (#44218901)

Been burned three times with Android, not risking it again. I have a friend who got a 3GS for free back in 2011, and it's sitll good for iOS 6. That's four years and three generations old. I find that pretty amazing, especially since it doesn't even have an A-series processor.

Re:Unless you have a 1st gen iPad ... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44219093)

It's much less amazing when you remember that all iOS 6's are not equal. Your 3GS gets much less iOS 6 than the 5 does.

Apple will increment your version number without giving you the goods, results in getting an update that doesn't do much.

Android won't increment the version number without giving you the goods, results in most likely not getting the update at all.

So in neither scenario do you get much in the way of new stuff, and several times Apple has updated older devices that should not have been updated, causing them to perform much worse than they used to.

Re:Unless you have a 1st gen iPad ... (4, Insightful)

FireFury03 (653718) | about a year ago | (#44218791)

My family has had three Android phones. None of them were released with the latest Android OS, and none of them ever had an official upgrade to the latest Android OS of the time. With one of them, we bought the phone only on the promise by the manufacturer that it would be upgraded to Android 4.x (the hardware is capable), and that won't be happening.

These three Android phone companies said "fuck you" from the very beginning. Never. Again.

The original iPad could run the latest iOS for 2.5 years after its introduction, 1.5 years after its discontinuation. That's far better than the official Android support you'll see.

*All* of the phone vendors have ridiculously short support periods. You can go out and buy a £300 laptop with Windows 8 on it and MS will support that for at least 10 years, after which you can probably upgrade the OS yourself and get a few years more support (I would hazard that current chipsets may well still be perfectly servicable in 10 years time. Certainly my 6 year old laptop isn't showing any signs of needing a hardware upgrade). Conversely you put down £600 on a phone and you're expected to throw it away and buy another one after 2 years.

You get a *bit* better support from Apple and Google than from Samsung, HTC, etc. but its still not great. I hold up as an example, my Samsung Captivate Glide, which was released in November 2011 with Gingerbread on it. 11 months after Android 4.0 was released by Google, Samsung eventually released it for the Captivate Glide... except it was unusably buggy. Despite having similar hardware to the Galaxy S II, as of November 2012 (only 1 year after its release) Samsung have basically dropped all support for it. No more bugfixes, security updates, etc.

What we actually need is standardised phone hardware and open drivers so we can just install a generic OS ourselves instead of having to wait for the vendor to get their finger out and publish a device specific one. Despite the likes of Cyanogenmod, there's still a whole load of device-specific code; you can't just take the latest Android and slap it on an arbitrary phone like you can take a random Linux ow Windows and stick it on any PC.

Re:Unless you have a 1st gen iPad ... (1)

Quila (201335) | about a year ago | (#44219003)

They're phones. They're not considered to have the lifespan of full computers. Plus, this is the fairly early years of this type of product. Hardware is changing extremely fast.

As I noted in another post, I'm surprised that an iPhone 3GS still supports iOS 6. While it still uses an ARM, it's the same SOC as a Palm Pre at 600 MHz and only has 256 MB RAM. Wild guess, this must be much less than 1/10th as powerful as the SOC the current OS runs on. And yet it's supported.

The problem with Android makers is that somehow they think they can be lazy, and they're mostly right that they can get away with it. We know various Android versions work on their phones because Cyanogenmod is successfully running on them. They just don't bother to build, test and roll out the official update.

Given a choice, I'll go with the one with the proven record of updates.

Re:Unless you have a 1st gen iPad ... (2)

FireFury03 (653718) | about a year ago | (#44219057)

They're phones. They're not considered to have the lifespan of full computers.

Why not? They are just as expensive, and arguably less essential...

Anyone who calls this fellow a troll . . . (1)

Kimomaru (2579489) | about a year ago | (#44218401)

. . . should take a moment to pat themselves on the back and congratulate themselves on their intellectual laziness. He made a valid technical point, it's worth knowing that the first gen iPads are being phased out and that, if this is Apple's game, the consumer should at least be aware of it.

It's mind-boggling how many robots jumped on this post for trolling and flamebait.

OMG, it still looks the same (1)

alen (225700) | about a year ago | (#44217813)

it sucks

as someone who carries an iphone 5 and Galaxy S3 daily what is iOS missing that's so awesome on Android?

Re:OMG, it still looks the same (2, Insightful)

_xeno_ (155264) | about a year ago | (#44217889)

as someone who carries an iphone 5 and Galaxy S3 daily what is iOS missing that's so awesome on Android?

The ability to install apps from sources that aren't the official app store and the ability to develop apps for free without paying a $100/year subscription?

Plus an open source kernel, so you can verify that all your activity isn't being routed directly to Apple for the NSA. I mean, "advertising purposes."

Re:OMG, it still looks the same (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44217937)

I'm sure you've reviewed every line of all the open source code on your Android device to ensure none of your activities are being sent anywhere you don't want them to.

You haven't. Hoping someone else has doesn't cut it either, unless you review it how do you know there are no backdoors?

And besides all of that.. congratulations, you're likely using one of the four major cellular providers who all provide a direct feed to the NSA anyway.

Re:OMG, it still looks the same (1)

alen (225700) | about a year ago | (#44218027)

the kernel might be open source but there is lots of non-open software on every android phone that can send data to NSA. carrier IQ for instance

Re:OMG, it still looks the same (0)

BulletMagnet (600525) | about a year ago | (#44218231)

the kernel might be open source but there is lots of non-open software on every android phone that can send data to NSA. carrier IQ for instance

You don't think iPhones had CarrierIQ on them? Look it up - Apple was just as guilty.

Re:OMG, it still looks the same (4, Informative)

the_B0fh (208483) | about a year ago | (#44219071)

You know what happened? People *DID* look it up. The version of CarrierIQ on iPhones did not send anything to Apple unless you enabled diagnostics. So the user selected to send info.

Additionally, tcpdumps showed that only the minimal information was sent, certainly not texts, emails or attachments.

And Android/Nexus did not have CarrierIQ.

However, carriers put them in (aka, crapware), and some of these carriers enabled the "send texts, emails and attachments as well" features.

So, in the future, please keep your stories straight. TYVM.

Re:OMG, it still looks the same (1)

watice (1347709) | about a year ago | (#44218357)

I wouldn't exactly call it an "ability" to install malware. Frankly, I like the fact that my phone, one of my dearest forms of personal communication, is secure & sandboxed. I'm good on the Chinese malware apps.

Oh, and you can totally develop apps for free without paying $100/yr subscription. idk who told you you couldn't. Open up XCode & begin.

Re:OMG, it still looks the same (1)

_xeno_ (155264) | about a year ago | (#44218527)

Oh, and you can totally develop apps for free without paying $100/yr subscription. idk who told you you couldn't. Open up XCode & begin.

OK, where do I download XCode for Linux?

And, even ignoring the massive cost of an Apple computer, no, you can't. You can't actually use the apps you create without the $100/year subscription fee. You can write them, sure, you just can't run them without that fee. Or give them out, or really do much of anything with them.

Believe it or not, I've actually done some iOS development thanks to people thinking "iOS app" sounds better than "webapp with modern CSS."

Re:OMG, it still looks the same (1)

watice (1347709) | about a year ago | (#44218841)

You need an apple for the frameworks, obviously. I believe the word I used was "develop". Without getting too much into semantics, write it, send it to your licensed dev for provisioning, signing, & publishing, done. Developed without a $100/yr fee, on your part.

Re:OMG, it still looks the same (1)

shadowrat (1069614) | about a year ago | (#44218639)

Oh, and you can totally develop apps for free without paying $100/yr subscription. idk who told you you couldn't. Open up XCode & begin.

I say this as a longtime IOS user and developer. You can download the sdk and develop apps for the ios simulator for free. getting your phone provisioned to run those apps requires a toll.

Re:OMG, it still looks the same (1)

watice (1347709) | about a year ago | (#44218893)

Unless you're on a team, or part of a company with a developer license. You can develop an app without a dev license, including features that you do need a dev license to fully implement, such as PUSH or GPS. Sure, the testing is limited to the simulator (which has it's own limitations, obviously), but the development isn't. Provisioning/publishing is a whole 'nother story.

Re:OMG, it still looks the same (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44219565)

I'm pretty sure you can create the accounts that allow you to provision before you pay the $99 fee. I held off until the last second to pay it so that my year's worth of services stretched as long as possible. That was a few years ago and my memory isn't so great, but you should double check that. I believe the only limitation imposed by the $99 fee is submitting it to Apple for Store approval and sale.

Re:OMG, it still looks the same (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44218723)

Oh, and you can totally develop apps for free without paying $100/yr subscription. idk who told you you couldn't. Open up XCode & begin.

Nice semantics play, asshat. Unless you can write apps in Xcode on whatever major OS you want and then distribute them to anyone wanting to use it with any jailbreaking or other bullshit, you are a fucking cuntbag. If you can't read between the lines, how do you function in normal life?

You can install from other sources (4, Insightful)

SuperKendall (25149) | about a year ago | (#44218539)

The ability to install apps from sources that aren't the official app store and the ability to develop apps for free without paying a $100/year subscription?

Both have the same answer - Jailbreak. Which is easy to do if you are technically inclined enough to want to program or to be able to protect yourself from malicious sideloaded programs.

Once jailbroken, you can deploy anything you like without paying the $100 fee to deploy to your device. It also opens up the ability to easily hack any third party application with simple code additions.

Meanwhile non-technical users get a fairly secure system that they cannot screw up too easily.

And on a side note, you don't even need to jailbreak just to install apps from sources not from the app store. Anyone can install ad-hoc builds, anyone with an enterprise license can provide installable apps to anyone (though technically they are supposed to be employees).

Plus an open source kernel, so you can verify that all your activity isn't being routed directly to Apple for the NSA

iOS is as open source in that regard, and there've also been quite a lot of people analyzing network traffic outbound from it.

It's absurd to clam that (for instance) the Android that ships with a Samsung or Motorola phone is something you can see all the source code for... that simply is not true.

Re:OMG, it still looks the same (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44218687)

You can install app from other sources like Cydia.
$99/year is only to have apps in the store PLUS it includes 2 technical support incidents which are $50 each usually.

I doubt you did any factual research to your claims. You just want to be all-aboard the apple-hating train.

Re:OMG, it still looks the same (1)

jon3k (691256) | about a year ago | (#44219309)

How does viewing AOSP code prove that your binary doesn't have a backdoor?

Re:OMG, it still looks the same (3, Insightful)

slaker (53818) | about a year ago | (#44217921)

1. Consistent data sharing between applications
2. A decent on-screen keyboard. Personally I like the sliding-style ones like Swype and Swiftkey and iOS doesn't do that eithre, but one of my biggest annoyances with iOS is that Apple's keyboard does not change the state of letters on-screen when the shift key has been pressed.
3. Ability to download arbitrary files and organize data in arbitrary ways.
4. Widgets. I'm not a huge fan of them, but it sure is nice to see a list of my e-mails with subject lines right on my home screen.
5. Set default apps to non-Apple options.

Re:OMG, it still looks the same (1, Troll)

alen (225700) | about a year ago | (#44217993)

ios you can set it up for email to be on the lock screen

the rest are niche geeky things that i would have cared about a decade ago, but not anymore. i hate most of the widgets and have been deleting most of mine lately. the default app thing seems useless. same with outside the app store apps.

i hate the mail client on the S3 compared to my iphone
i hate the keyboard compared to iOS
the screen seems flaky compared to my iphone 5
the S3 is laggy
the who HD quality screen is not true. lots of stuff looks better on the iphone
which apps have data sharing so i can try them out?
i tried google now for a few days and turned it off. about as useless as siri

Re:OMG, it still looks the same (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44218365)

If you want to use Chrome as your default browser on iOS, or something other than Apple Maps for navigation, you might feel differently about the issue. I like Firefox on Android because the addons largely work and Firefox sync is handy. I'd only be able to do that with a great deal of deliberation on iOS.
The stock Android non-Gmail Email app is kind of awful, but there are dozens of alternatives. Since I don't like threaded E-mail I actually use Kaiten. Good thing I have the ability to choose a non-stock, non-default app so I can have the experience I want to have!

Android users are indeed blessed with a wide variety of keyboards. I like Swype (my autocorrect dictionary synchronizes across a dozen devices at this point) but some people like Thumbkey or Swiftkey. Some keyboards allow users to control whether numbers take up space on the default layout. If you really prefer to have an iOS style keyboard on Android, you can try iSwipe. But if you're going to do that, it might behoove you to look at some of the other text input options available.

I have no idea what colors your perspective of "laggy" or "quality screen" but Android devices exist across a wide range of hardware, including a number of form factors and hardware specs that are well outside of the tiny candy bar shape used by iPhones. That's not a feature of the OS, but it's nonetheless an important difference. I will say that the Galaxy S4's screen is subjectively better than the S3's in my experience. I can read that screen outside on a sunny day for example.

Data sharing? All of them. There's an option that's accessible in nearly every Android application is either shared like a less than sign ( ) or available from the options menu. What you'll notice is that when you bring up the Share menu, you'll see the same choices every time instead of relying on various apps to have specific code for communicating with other specific apps. I can ALWAYS share to Google Drive or Photobucket or whatever and new applications can add themselves to that list as I install them. This means that I don't have to have a Dropbox account to get around every weird data-sharing shortcoming.

As far as the keyboard goes, iOS's is dreadful from a usability standpoint.

Re:OMG, it still looks the same (1)

the_B0fh (208483) | about a year ago | (#44219111)

iPhone 5 is the only phone with sRGB screen.

What does this mean?

Re:OMG, it still looks the same (2, Insightful)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about a year ago | (#44218437)

ios you can set it up for email to be on the lock screen

But what about the home screen? I like my communications to at least be hidden behind the lockscreen, not right up front where any asshole that grabs my phone can peruse my account.

the rest are niche geeky things that i would have cared about a decade ago, but not anymore. i hate most of the widgets and have been deleting most of mine lately. the default app thing seems useless. same with outside the app store apps.

Translation: Well, those aren't features that I find awesome, so therefore they are not awesome at all; you fail for not being able to read my mind.

Realistically, most of the points GP made (specifically, 2-4) are quite valid, regardless of your personal feelings about them.

i hate the mail client on the S3 compared to my iphone
i hate the keyboard compared to iOS

Personal observations, having nothing to do with the actual features of Android - kinda seems like an arbitrary bitch to me (personally, I like to KNOW when I'm writing in all caps, especially on those occasions where the keyboard covers the part of the screen the typed text is entered into, like a web form).

Also, considering how much of a trivial matter it is to switch keyboards (and mail clients) in Android makes the complaint all the more trivial. Curiously, I wonder - can you even change the keyboard layout in iOS? If so, what's the process?

the screen seems flaky compared to my iphone 5
the S3 is laggy
the who HD quality screen is not true. lots of stuff looks better on the iphone

those are more issues with Samsung's hardware than the Android OS, are they not?

which apps have data sharing so i can try them out?

Gmail & Google Calendar spring immediately to mind - I can sync my schedule to every computer I use, and my phone, and my wife's tablet... all of which are manufactured by different companies, and running several different operating systems.

i tried google now for a few days and turned it off. about as useless as siri

Novelty technologies, regardless of source, always seem to end up feeling useless... probably because they are.

Re:OMG, it still looks the same (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44218575)

Looks like the "I disagree" troll mods are in full force today.
Seriously, there is not a single piece of trolling in this post, just opinions of what this person likes/dislikes.

Re:OMG, it still looks the same (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44218119)

1. Consistent data sharing between applications

Yeah, this is maddening. Your #5 is essentially the same issue.

But, even so, it's a _very_ hard problem, and I think the way Android does it is a mess where you get huge lists of potential apps that make no sense for what you're doing.

3. Ability to download arbitrary files and organize data in arbitrary ways.

No, the UI just doesn't scale on a mobile device.

The others would be nice, but they don't add any real functionality.

Re:OMG, it still looks the same (1)

slaker (53818) | about a year ago | (#44218909)

Regarding the Share list, I actually use Andmade Share so that I can edit the list that comes up when I do choose to share. Since I don't use Twitter or Facebook and I don't have any need to share to Imgur or Photobucket, I took those options out. However, I'd far rather have a long and consistent list than have a bunch of things that can pretty much only share with Email and Dropbox.

Re:OMG, it still looks the same (1)

tlhIngan (30335) | about a year ago | (#44218389)

2. A decent on-screen keyboard. Personally I like the sliding-style ones like Swype and Swiftkey and iOS doesn't do that eithre, but one of my biggest annoyances with iOS is that Apple's keyboard does not change the state of letters on-screen when the shift key has been pressed.

Fair comment about the shift key state (though I suppose one reason why is caps gives readability).

Though I wonder if the reason why Android keyboard alternatives are plentiful is because the default Android keyboard is... well, terrible. Mostly because the touchscreens are terrible which gives a horrendous typing experience on Android. Entering passwords I find extremely tedious on Android purely because it takes many attempts to do it properly.

I've tried keyboards like Swype and the like and hated them, and then reverted back to the default because they just got annoying.

On iOS, I can enter my password in the first time every time.

Re:OMG, it still looks the same (1)

DanTheManMS (1039636) | about a year ago | (#44218979)

Seriously, try Swiftkey. It was a lifesaver after I switched from iOS to Android. It's not a different form of input like Swype, just another QWERTY keyboard that has bigger buttons and better autocorrect / word prediction.

Re:OMG, it still looks the same (2)

saloomy (2817221) | about a year ago | (#44218017)

it sucks

as someone who carries an iphone 5 and Galaxy S3 daily what is iOS missing that's so awesome on Android?

The ability to download your own apps / apps off a website I would say is the only really interesting thing Android has over IOS. A lot of my friends have complained about the iPhone not having widgets and not liking the "tile" grid. Personally, I think the notification center on both platforms serves as a great mechanism for things I care to know about in a glance (emails/text messages I need to pay attention to, application updates like Skype/whatsapp, and news feeds from select sites). The iPhone has a convenient way to access the music app that currently has control by swiping the doc, and has controls on the lock screen. Having widgets accross multiple screens isn't as convenient, since you are constantly swiping for updates. Other than that, there pretty much on par now, if you go for the Android phone that has the power of a circa-2008 beo-wolf cluster of (insert whatever cool thing you've read on slashdot back then). I think the IOS home screens serve as a purpose, though I have become accustomed to "spotlighting" for the app I want since it usually is buried in a folder, and I don't feel like memorizing which page its on. I feel one day that these IOS devices are going to follow the mac: Search will be the primary "task launcher", not a grid of icons. I wish there was a way to unlock into a search bar. On my Mac, I have hidden desktop icons and reduced my dock to a few extremely highly used apps (chrome, mail, iMessage, etc..). I spotlight when I want to launch Photoshop, or Pages, or some other task-oriented thing, including directly into the document I intend to open. I have always said that Android will innovate faster because there are more iterations, and therefore the android manufactures will learn what works and what doesn't at a faster pace. Apple only having one device, need to test, retest, and retest again to make sure they dont miss out on a years worth of sales before they have a chance to fix it. It took Android a year to learn that "slide out" keyboards dont work (I'm sorry, they just don't). That was learning that android went through. I like that there is a search bar on the home screen in android (not surprising since google is behind it). What is surprising is that Apple's search is better in that respect. I think its because google's search is for the web (where they are strongest), and apple's search is for the device (where they are strongest). Just my $0.02

Re:OMG, it still looks the same (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44218083)

1: A "#" prompt. Yes, with great authority comes great responsibility, but it is nice to be able to what I desire with a device, not what Steve or Tim says I can do and nothing else.

2: Better encryption. On Android, I can create an EncFS dir, throw my sensitive stuff on a project into that, then unmount it. Even if someone decrypts my /data partition, the EncFS item is still protected.

3: Easy backups. Titanium Backup copies everything to a directory, Titanium Media Sync moves those files to my Dropbox account... and they are all encrypted. To restore, I just copy the files, install TB, and hit "restore". No iTunes needed, and if I zero my device out miles from any computer, I can get my data back easily. For a complete OS image, I have nandroid available as well.

4: Choice of protocols. I can copy music to my Android device via ftp, nfs, cifs, samba, kermit, zmodem, telnet, ssh, sftp, adb, or almost any other protocol. For the iPhone, I'm forced to use iTunes or download through iCloud.

5: I can block incoming robocalls. Try that on an iPhone without scorched-earth blocking with DND.

6: I can do some interesting workflow items. Fetch an item with wget/curl, make a change with an office app, sign it with GPG, then mail it. You can't find a good gpg utility on the iPhone (trust me, I've tried them all) unless you JB and use the command line version.

7: I don't have to worry about getting patches pushed out that I can't opt out of.

Re:OMG, it still looks the same (1)

alen (225700) | about a year ago | (#44218201)

#3 IOS has cloud backup as part of the OS and free. it will backup over wifi when plugged into a power outlet. and will restore over wifi without needing itunes

only downside is that its 5GB per itunes account so if you share an apple ID like my wife and i do then you have to pay to cloud backup multiple devices

#7 you don't have to install any update you don't want to

Re:OMG, it still looks the same (1)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about a year ago | (#44218801)

#3 IOS has cloud backup as part of the OS and free. it will backup over wifi when plugged into a power outlet. and will restore over wifi without needing itunes

Do you encrypt the data, or does Apple?

At least with Android/Dropbox, GP has the option to encrypt prior to uploading. Leaving security in the hands of a third party, for-profit venture is never a best practice.

only downside is that its 5GB per itunes account so if you share an apple ID like my wife and i do then you have to pay to cloud backup multiple devices

... So then, it's decidedly not free, unless you stopped acquiring digital property in 2001.

Seriously, that's a bit of a dicking, don't you think? Selling you a 32GB device with "free online storage" that won't even cover 20% of the space available, then charging yet another fee to backup the rest of your shit?

Re:OMG, it still looks the same (3, Informative)

SuperKendall (25149) | about a year ago | (#44218597)

1: A "#" prompt. Yes, with great authority comes great responsibility ... Which is why anyone responsible enough to want a command line in the system can simply jailbreak and get one.

2: Better encryption

Despite what you seem to think, iOS has better default encryption for non-technical users, and many advanced built in encryption options for applications to make use of if they wish.

3: Easy backups

Ha! This is one thing iCloud got right, REALLY easy backups that actually work.

5: I can block incoming robocalls.

iOS7.

6: I can do some interesting workflow items.

You can also do many interesting workflow items on iOS, depending on applications. There's usually a chain.

7: I don't have to worry about getting patches pushed out that I can't opt out of.

You can turn off auto-update you know, and it only came along in iOS7...

Re:OMG, it still looks the same (1)

tlhIngan (30335) | about a year ago | (#44219625)

I don't have to worry about getting patches pushed out that I can't opt out of.

I thought you were talking about Android being better than iOS?

iOS has never required you to update if you didn't want to. This is true way back since 2007 when Jobs introduced it.

Now, iTunes back then prompted you (and still does) that there's an update, but you can click "Cancel" and check "Do not ask me again" and it won't bug you again until there's another update. Which you can decline as well.

In fact, when people were hacking the first iPhone to unlock it, Apple specifically told them to NOT update because it wouldn't work. Of course, when Apple releases a new version, everyone daftly clicked "Update".

At no point has an update ever been forced on someone while they had a working phone. The only time an update is "forced" is if you clicked "Restore" to restore the phone back to factory settings. But if you were happy with what you had and things worked, you did zilch - you have to click update to perform the update.

ISTR that forced updates was more of an Android thing... mostly perpetuated by carriers.

Re:OMG, it still looks the same (3, Insightful)

war4peace (1628283) | about a year ago | (#44218633)

One thing that's VERY important to some people:

Bluetooth Stack implementation.

At work, I pulled my HTC Desire S, fired Bluetooth and could see 17 devices around me. Some laptops, some mobile devices, some headphones and one specialized device. My colleague's iPhone 4 could see none. You can't pair an iPhone with a laptop and seamlessly transfer data between them.

When the iPhone:
- can't see headphones;
- Can't pair with laptops;
- can't pair with OBD II devices

Then it's partly useless, and I don't need a castrated device.

Re:OMG, it still looks the same (1)

DanTheManMS (1039636) | about a year ago | (#44219041)

Agreed, it's embarrassing that my free flip phone from 2006 can do more with Bluetooth than an iPhone can.

The inability to send contacts via Bluetooth is especially maddening, as I work in a cell phone kiosk that doesn't have one of those $10,000 machines to transfer contacts so when upgrading customers' phones, I typically use Bluetooth or a memory card to transfer contacts, neither of which are options on the iPhone.

Jailbreak it and I will advertise it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44217843)

Frosty poo

REALLY?? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44217849)

Ok, look, I'm a huge Apple fanboy and love Apple news but, come ON!! Apple posted a Beta of iOS 7 and that's making it onto the front page?

Guess what? They're going to release another beta of iOS 7 in about two weeks. And then another two weeks later. And so on and so on. Each one will be a bit tighter and tighter until they release the final gold master.

I don't mind seeing these sorts of updates on appleinsider.com but here? Come on!

Design revolution (1)

erikwestlund (1003368) | about a year ago | (#44217905)

This version features more tie-dyed interfaces and even thin sans serif fonts. They continued to use the "grid" feature in Photoshop for icons. This changes everything, again.

Re:Design revolution (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44218039)

Is it weird that i couldn't detect sarcasm there?

It's not quite ready for release yet (4, Funny)

Minwee (522556) | about a year ago | (#44217917)

Be careful about installing this. The new icons and colour scheme still cause some older display panels to burst into flames or, in extreme cases, the entire device to shut down out of embarrassment.

No way! A Fingerprint scanner! (0)

adonoman (624929) | about a year ago | (#44218149)

A fingerprint scanner! On a portable device [wikipedia.org] ! Will Apple ever stop hammering us with the revolutionary new features!

Re:No way! A Fingerprint scanner! (3, Funny)

0123456 (636235) | about a year ago | (#44218537)

Presumably the NSA wanted it added so they could tie fingerprints to call data.

Re:No way! A Fingerprint scanner! (1)

EdZ (755139) | about a year ago | (#44219539)

Or even the Atrix [wikipedia.org] . Much maligned due to Motorola dropping support for it like a hot potato, it was really nice to have the lock button and fingerprint canner combined so you could unlock the phone in one hand without weird thumb contortions.

Game over (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44218317)

Time for a reality check: Apple is old-school. This is the problem when a company markets itself on any trend (fashion or otherwise) - at some point it becomes 'uncool' (primarily when it has become too popular). They have to milk those 15 minutes (figuratively) of fame for all it's worth - and Apple has certainly done a splendid job of that. Alas, that time has now passed. Now it's time for what happens to most apples - they rot, decay and finally die.

Re:Game over (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44218479)

Enjoy your iPod Killer. There aren't any.

Reality check complete.

Andrid Phone (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about a year ago | (#44218521)

Enjoy your iPod Killer. There aren't any.

Reality check complete.

It was the Android Phone :) (and very sensibly the iPhone)

Cue the emo fanboy ranting from both sides... (4, Insightful)

H0p313ss (811249) | about a year ago | (#44218463)

Seriously guys, get over yourselves.

Slashdot - breaking news for new beta software. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44218541)

Wow, a new iOS beta! Why is this even news? Not shitting on the article because of Apple but rather because it's an incremental release of an unreleased product. Should we expect a news story every time Windows, Chrome, FireFox release a new beta?

Content control people... come on!

Ewwww... (1)

Chewbacon (797801) | about a year ago | (#44218969)

Ugly as shit. Someone drown that Hello Kitty mother fucker.
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