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The Black Underbelly of Windows 8.1 'Blue'

Unknown Lamer posted about 9 months ago | from the can't-let-google-win-most-evil-crown dept.

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snydeq writes "Changes in Microsoft's forthcoming upgrade to Windows 8 reveal the dark underbelly of Microsoft's evolving agenda, one that finds pieces of Windows 8 inexplicably disappearing and a new feature that allows Microsoft to track your local searches cropping up, InfoWorld's Woody Leonhard reports. 'As Windows 8.1 Milestone Preview testers push and prod their way into the dark corners of Windows 8.1 "Blue," they're finding a bunch of things that go bump in the night. From new and likely unwelcome features, to nudges into the Microsoft data tracking sphere, to entire lopped-off pieces of Windows 8, it looks like Microsoft is changing Windows to further its own agenda.'" A lot of the stuff the article gripes about are what Google has been doing for ages with Android: requiring a Microsoft account, funneling users to their services first, tracking your system usage, etc.

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Expect more of this. (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44221545)

Microsoft has every incentive to do this, and no disincentive.

Seriously, how many people are going to switch to Linux over this? Nobody.

Get used to it.

Re:Expect more of this. (5, Insightful)

binarylarry (1338699) | about 9 months ago | (#44221639)

Most people use Windows because they've been using Windows.

Windows 8 isn't really "Windows" as they knew it, it requires change. People hate change and if they're going to change, maybe they'll look at alternatives. If they have the cash, they might go for Macs (look at the sales figures lately).

If they don't... what's cheaper than Windows 8?

Re:Expect more of this. (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44221757)

The problem is Desktop Linux is a bigger change for many of them.

If the Desktop Linux bunch had spent time making Desktop Linux a closer replacement for Windows XP, very many organizations and people would have moved over when Vista came out. More so with Windows 8.

Instead they do weird stuff to make Desktop Linux even less unattractive to people who don't want change.

ReactOS is still in alpha or Microsoft would have sued it to death.

Re:Expect more of this. (3, Insightful)

armanox (826486) | about 9 months ago | (#44221785)

Really? The downfall of desktop Linux is trying to emulate Windows. Much better off when it was more UNIX-y

Re:Expect more of this. (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44221867)

For who? For you maybe. For the average, not particularly tech savvy consumer who just wants something easy to pick up, not at all.

Re:Expect more of this. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44221877)

They're actually trying to emulate OSX though.

Re:Expect more of this. (5, Insightful)

djdanlib (732853) | about 9 months ago | (#44221911)

Well, not every direction away from Windows is productive.

For example... Unity. Departing from Windows in that direction was harmful. It's really hard to get used to it, and it isn't exactly self-explanatory. You have to become a power user to have more than half a clue of what you're doing and get it to stop being in your way. That's no good for office workers. It might work just fine for people who just want to surf the Web though.

Having something that works for a majority of people - both the home user world AND the office drone world - is what we need. Not something to scratch the itch of the UNIX guru 1%, because that part of the beast lives under the hood anyway. It has to be compatible with a huge variety of ways of thinking, and Windows has entrenched itself so deeply within the psyche of computer users that anything new absolutely needs to be similar and Just Work without loads of configuration.

Apple did the Just Work thing right. As much as I don't enjoy using their products, which seem to be designed to prevent you from doing anything that wasn't in their somewhat specific list of use cases, they got that right - it just works for their use cases. That, and they got the marketing right. Everyone was used to things being one way and they made something different look sexy to the general public. A particular Linux distribution could possibly be marketed well and succeed, but that would require dreadful amounts of money that FOSS just doesn't produce.

What's it gonna be? Something that only we enlightened Slashdot readers can really learn how to use? That's where we're at. Or will it be something that the common user will be able to be productive with?

Just watch, Android will emerge as a desktop OS someday, and it'll make waves...

Re:Expect more of this. (5, Insightful)

0123456 (636235) | about 9 months ago | (#44221939)

The problem is Desktop Linux is a bigger change for many of them.

MATE is much closer to XP/Windows 7 than Windows 8 will ever be. Just because Gnome and Canonical have gone full metal retard, that doesn't mean everyone has.

Re:Expect more of this. (3, Insightful)

thunderclap (972782) | about 9 months ago | (#44221883)

What is cheaper? Chromium. Google will win this by extending the Android platform to laptops (which they have already) and to desktops.

Re:Expect more of this. (2)

frozentier (1542099) | about 9 months ago | (#44221941)

It would be totally feasible to install your previous OS on your new Windows 8 machine. May not cost anything if you have the original install disc.

Re:Expect more of this. (1)

Opportunist (166417) | about 9 months ago | (#44221963)

And how long 'til MS pulls the plug on it? XPs EOL is already on the horizon, and I doubt Vista/7 will be supported much past 2015.

Re:Expect more of this. (4, Interesting)

Opportunist (166417) | about 9 months ago | (#44221955)

Bluntly, the average Linux distri is, from a surface point of view, more Windows than Windows 8.

Re:Expect more of this. (4, Insightful)

Lendrick (314723) | about 9 months ago | (#44221673)

Seriously, how many people are going to switch to Linux over this? Nobody.

Even if that's the case, it will hurt them if people decide never to upgrade.

I run Windows 7 right now. I see absolutely zero compelling reasons to upgrade to Windows 8, and plenty of compelling reasons not to. I don't have to switch to Linux for Microsoft to lose out on my money. I just have to not buy any more of their products.

P.S. Lest I lose all of my Slashdot cred, I should point out that I dual-boot.

Re:Expect more of this. (4, Interesting)

Fluffeh (1273756) | about 9 months ago | (#44221775)

Seriously, how many people are going to switch to Linux over this? Nobody.

Actually, I think that this is finally starting to change. Ever-so-goddam-slowly, but in recent times, I have moved two non tech savvy friends over to Linux partly because it was free, partly because it did everything they wanted. Okay, these folks didn't go out, do the research themselves, pick their 'nix flavour and get into a terminal window - but after seeing how easy most things are, I have managed to encourage two more users to switch. A few and a good few months into their little linux saga respectively, neither would consider switching back. Disclaimer: one of these machines is merely a media server and transcoder (Ubuntu, MediaTomb and MakeMKV) but even that is a good win in my books.

I think the biggest issue with these changes for Microsoft will be when businesses, typically their biggest proponents are going to start frowning about these changes. I dare say that for every company that switches off Windows, half their employees will change OS at home. Perhaps not straight away, but in time.

Re:Expect more of this. (1)

avatar139 (918375) | about 9 months ago | (#44221973)

I run Windows 7 right now. I see absolutely zero compelling reasons to upgrade to Windows 8, and plenty of compelling reasons not to. I don't have to switch to Linux for Microsoft to lose out on my money. I just have to not buy any more of their products.

Same here, except I saw absolutely zero compelling reason to upgrade from XP. Granted I was in charge of our companies compatibility with the Vista developer beta so I also had many, many disincentives to upgrade. :P

Re:Expect more of this. (5, Insightful)

sg_oneill (159032) | about 9 months ago | (#44221711)

Switching isn't the problem (From a market perspective Frankly they have more to fear from OSX then they do from desktop linux, no disrespect intended to linux intended) , its people staying put and not upgrading.

Consider how much trauma microsoft have had getting people of the decrepid Win XP. Now consider the problems getting them off the still very relevant Win7.

Unless your on a tablet or touchscreen machine, theres literally no reason to upgrade right now, particularly with the general dislike most people have for metro and metro apps.

Re:Expect more of this. (4, Insightful)

Charliemopps (1157495) | about 9 months ago | (#44221837)

Uh... Android IS Linux and people have been switching in droves. Not because of privacy issues, or stability or anything else geeks have been raving about for years... It's cheap, and it's easier to use. The fact that this is exactly what the mainstreams been screaming at the Linux community for over a decade while they didn't listen, while at the same time they screamed at Microsoft for the very things that are bringing them down now and they never listened is the height of irony.

Re:Expect more of this. (1)

MacTO (1161105) | about 9 months ago | (#44221897)

The thing is, very few people buy into Android because it's Linux. The few who do so are probably more than offset by the few who don't because of privacy concerns.

The thing is, there isn't much Linux to Android outside of the kernel and maybe a handful of libraries. This is desirable to Google because it makes hardware support easier. It is desirable to some developers because it is easier to port binary libraries. Other than that though, OS X would make a better substitute for Linux since it includes a far more comprehensive set of Unix utilities out of the box, and most of those utilities are either identical to those used under Linux or roughly as sophisticated as those used under Linux. (Sorry, but busybox is no comparison. BSD utilities can be reasonably compared to the utilities used in Linux.)

Re:Expect more of this. (5, Insightful)

ozmanjusri (601766) | about 9 months ago | (#44221889)

Seriously, how many people are going to switch to Linux over this? Nobody.

Except a whole bunch of OEMs who used to be staunch Microsoft partners.

"HP shows off 21-inch all-in-one Android desktop
PC makers are experimenting with Android given that Microsoft's Windows 8 devices have struggled to attract consumers"

http://www.infoworld.com/d/computer-hardware/update-hp-shows-21-inch-all-in-one-android-desktop-221316 [infoworld.com]

CoolShip,an android desktop computer that looks like a keyboard
CoolShip has a 1.5Ghz dualcore ARM processor inside.It is a low cost home PC,PC for elderly and children,also a solution of hotel PC for guests,educational PC.

http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/coolship-an-android-desktop-computer-that-looks-like-a-keyboard [indiegogo.com]

Acer shows 21-inch Android desktop
Taiwan's Acer is breaking Android out of its comfort zone and has installed the operating system on a 21.5-inch all-in-one desktop PC that is expected on sale in the U.S. later this year.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2040886/acer-shows-21inch-android-desktop.html [pcworld.com]

Get used to it.

Not a chance. I'm really enjoying the innovation and competition that's coming our way now the Windows monopoly's tumbling. Can't wait until Office is usurped as well!

Exactly right. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44221959)

Wake me when I can get Android on something beside phones and tablets. Until it's an OS on par with Windows and OS X, there will be no mass migration to it. That would take an enormous commitment by Google, and I doubt that's coming.

Re:Expect more of this. (2)

Riddler Sensei (979333) | about 9 months ago | (#44221977)

Seriously, how many people are going to switch to Linux over this?

Well...me, for one. I had used Slackware for my day to day desktop from 2004 to 2010. In 2010 I decided that Windows 7 was "good enough" and that I was tired of dualbooting to get to a handful of games and apps and didn't care to emulate or virtualize. I still use CentOS for my server but for my day to day use I've enjoyed Windows 7 just fine on my desktop. In the coming month I'll be purchasing a new laptop as I return to school for software engineering. Had Windows 8 not been such a disaster, and 8.1 not looking too rosey itself, I may have considered keeping the original install on the laptop but now it's a complete non-decision. I'll be wiping it almost as soon as I get it and likely be installing Fedora onto it (really, I'm open to this and am experimenting to find what I like. I'm up for whatever works best for a software student's laptop. Any insights on this?).

I'll continue to use Windows 7 on my desktop, but as that ages and loses support I can see myself jumping back to Linux on the desktop in the future to avoid a Windows 8 upgrade. Microsoft had my attention for several years there, but they're really trying to drive me away again.

If you're using Microsoft software... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44221549)

you're doing it wrong.

what?? (2, Funny)

phantomfive (622387) | about 9 months ago | (#44221551)

A lot of the stuff the article gripes about are what Google has been doing for ages with Android:

That doesn't make me feel better......

Re:what?? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44221609)

A lot of the stuff the article gripes about are what Google has been doing for ages with Android:

That doesn't make me feel better......

OK...does it make you feel more stupid about using Google services, or simply more ignorant in thinking companies would somehow not follow proven profitable revenue streams?

You choose, but try not to make the rest of us look just as stupid or ignorant whilst doing so.

Re: what?? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44221701)

Android is open source you fucking dolt.

Re: what?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44221813)

yeah with code submitted by the NSA.

Re: what?? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44221853)

Android is NOT really open source. Android is partially open source, partially closed source, and inherits the Linux kernel.

You can't build Android and get the full feature set you find on an OEM handset because Google doesn't release source to Marketplace and other tools.

And on top of this, being "open source" is meaningless - so what if I can download the source code to a particular slightly unrelated version of my phone? How does that let me check that Verizon installed on it? Cyanogen can't be run on phones that aren't jail broken, and even THEN you need a Google account.

We live in a new world - one where "choice" matters more than the availability of the source code.

Re:what?? (2)

TheLink (130905) | about 9 months ago | (#44221781)

Proven revenue stream for Microsoft has been:
1) Get computer makers to include windows preinstalled.
2) Encourage enterprises to buy Microsoft Office, Exchange and Windows Server.

The "proven" android style stuff is not going to sit well with many large organizations. And in fact may negatively affect their proven revenue stream.

If Microsoft starts requiring enterprise desktop users to have a Microsoft account they're going to get a lot of resistance. Especially with the NSA debacle.

Re:what?? (1)

phantomfive (622387) | about 9 months ago | (#44221815)

I spent a couple hundred for Windows because I needed it for a project. If I spent a couple hundred dollars for software, and the software started spying on me and giving me ads, I would be extremely annoyed.

Re:what?? (4, Insightful)

Elbereth (58257) | about 9 months ago | (#44221637)

Well, yeah. But Google has an enviable image and works in emerging markets, where they can set consumer expectations. Microsoft has a crap image and works in entrenched markets, where customers have strong opinions and entrenched ways doing things. This is a bit of a simplification, of course, but I think it helps to explain why people complain so much about everything that Microsoft does, while they give Google a free pass.

Re:what?? (2)

poity (465672) | about 9 months ago | (#44221783)

Well, I never liked the incessant MS bashing around here, but at least Google trades you with free products. (and now you've done it, I'm one of you now...)

Re:what?? (2)

phantomfive (622387) | about 9 months ago | (#44221805)

Well, I never liked the incessant MS bashing around here, but...... now you've done it, I'm one of you now...)

It was bound to happen as Microsoft keeps getting worse and worse.....

Same as Google (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44221553)

Only that nobody want to use Bing or Hotmail. They both suck.

Re:Same as Google (1)

jeauxkewl (1465425) | about 9 months ago | (#44221571)

Only that nobody want to use Bing or Hotmail. They both suck.

This. I want to know who these people are that supposedly prefer Bing over Google. They must all live in Redmond.

Re:Same as Google (1)

TWX (665546) | about 9 months ago | (#44221599)

Last I checked, there are ways to get around a requirement to have a Google account to use Android, with the caveat that many features that rely on such an account either don't work or don't work as well.

To me, Android's strength is that the individual handset really doesn't matter. I could lose or destroy my phone and just get another, resync to my Google account, and the bulk of what's important will be right back there again, like my contacts list.

I don't like the developing privacy problems and how "cloud" makes it worse, but I'd expect any service that's this connected would have this kind of problem, regardless of who it's from. Apple, for example...

Maybe someone has or should make an application that works kind of like the old Palm Desktop, that hotsyncs with the phone when it's either bluetoothed or plugged in via USB...

Re:Same as Google (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | about 9 months ago | (#44221879)

I don't like the developing privacy problems and how "cloud" makes it worse, but I'd expect any service that's this connected would have this kind of problem

Then you expect too little. We should not simply accept that "any service" which is "connected" will upskirt our data.

If our personal data is so valuable to Google that it would be prohibitive for us to use any "connected" services that simply charges us instead of snooping in my sock drawer, then we are giving it away much too cheaply, and should start expecting more from the transaction. And if our personal data is not so very valuable then I'll be happy to pay for that connectivity rather than trade it away for a search engine or free mail account.

We do not have to simply accede to the status quo simply because that's the way Google, Microsoft, Facebook etc like it. We have more leverage in this transaction than they want us to believe. It's just a matter of being willing to use it.

Racist. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44221555)

Headline is racist and should be deleted.

Re:Racist. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44221659)

Yes, Blue Man Group should be deeply offended that Microsoft has used their skin color in this manner.

Re: Racist. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44221709)

Of course someone has to jump in with the race card. You should kill yourself. It has nothing to do with race. It means dark, shady, in the shadows, behind closed doors, without your knowledge, etc, etc.

Re: Racist. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44221845)

You have been trolled. Do you really think GP meant it? He knew that any mention of the word "racist" makes the nerds scream with fury and start frothing at the mouth, without stopping to think. Evidently it worked on you.

You are an idiot.

Not surprising is it? (1)

FirephoxRising (2033058) | about 9 months ago | (#44221563)

This is normal MS behaviour, every time they look slightly better, things like this remind me that they are MS and they cannot be trusted.

Re:Not surprising is it? (5, Interesting)

msauve (701917) | about 9 months ago | (#44221603)

MS is the new IBM.
Apple is the new MS.
Google is the new Apple.
IBM is the new Google.

What goes around, comes around. Except for Dell and HP(/Compaq/DEC). They're just dead. (Agilent is the new HP)

Re:Not surprising is it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44221649)

IBM is the new Google.

I have seen others contend that IBM is the new Xerox

Re:Not surprising is it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44221827)

is it about to switch again? Is Google going to be the new MS? I deffinatly see more evil stuff comming from them lately (since they started reading my email), they have a damn big monopoly, and they are deffinatly chasing the coin.

Google doing evil? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44221569)

Heavens no!

as noted, android does this (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44221573)

i switched my search provider to bing but it is still sent to google. why?

Re:as noted, android does this (5, Informative)

Namarrgon (105036) | about 9 months ago | (#44221643)

Your're doing it wrong? Switching to Bing or Yahoo on my Nexus 10 works as expected for me.

Also, Android doesn't require a Google account - you're asked for one on initial startup, but there's a Skip button that bypasses it. If you go further, change a few key settings (such as search provider) and perhaps sideload one of the many non-Google app stores, your Android device can be used without Google ever seeing it.

Then windows is well and truly dead... (5, Insightful)

the_skywise (189793) | about 9 months ago | (#44221583)

The only reason Windows gained market share in the 90s was because it went out of its way to not be a closed system. It's always sucked, it's just a matter of how little but that we still had control over our PCs than IBM and later Apple wanted us to have.

If Microsoft goes this route and enforces controls and advertising ala Google/Android styl Android will gain the lead as a desktop OS.

In short, the more Ballmer tightens his fist, the more users will slip through his fingers.

Re:Then windows is well and truly dead... (5, Insightful)

couchslug (175151) | about 9 months ago | (#44221645)

"The only reason Windows gained market share in the 90s was because it went out of its way to not be a closed system."

Sheeit. The reason it gained market share was you could effortlessly copy the OS and Office and whatever apps you wanted then install them on any PC as many times as you liked. I expect many older Slashdotters can still recite Windows keys from memory.

"They'll get addicted, and then we'll collect"

http://articles.latimes.com/2006/apr/09/business/fi-micropiracy9 [latimes.com]

Re:Then windows is well and truly dead... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44221755)

Android and IOS both upload user data to online accounts that you're forced, or at least asked, to make at start-up. Android and IOS are infinitely more closed platforms than MS Windows will ever be. These issues and others represent massive security holes and these phones can be p0wned several times over using readily available utilities and a freebie wifi hotspot in an airport. The only reason they aren't worse off is that the Cell providers are in bed with the phone companies and have firewalls installed on premise filtering the internet for you.

Many companies are offering application-as-a-VM type setups, and are using linux for a basis on that. The only reason most companies are still on Windows is the requirement of office or the use of standardized windows infrastructure which is an additional cost compared to a linux rig. If a computer just needs to run a few apps and you're fine configuring security and accounts on a per-app basis, Linux is cheaper. It can also be installed on virtually anything from pc-tablets to cracked iphones.

Re:Then windows is well and truly dead... (1)

MacTO (1161105) | about 9 months ago | (#44221861)

Sorry, but I'm going to have to call you out on BS.

Most software was easy to pirate in the 90's: application software vendors gave up on physical copy protection and online registration was yet to be born. That left dongles, which were only used in special circumstances due to their expense.

About the only reason why alternative software was hard to pirate was because it was hard to find a friend (or BBS) that had the less popular titles to start with.

Re:Then windows is well and truly dead... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44221663)

Stardock is the only thing thats made 8 usable for me.

I for one welcome our new Bing overlords

Re:Then windows is well and truly dead... (4, Insightful)

fermion (181285) | about 9 months ago | (#44221669)

So MS did not purposefully create a closed application front end in which many major websites only worked with IE. Compare this to Google in which Chrome may provide an 'optimized' experience, but their stuff pretty much works on any standards compliant browser. I can't believe I am defending google, but they could have made Chrome incompatible, even if it was based on an Apple product.

MS prospered because so much of the stuff you did would not work if you did not continue to have MS stuff. The MS Word format was always ill defined and it was impossible to know what would happen if a version was skipped. Certainly in the mid to late 90's we were shooting MS Word files around and there was always an even chance they would bork on different versions, even if filters were installed.

Now that people are getting used to open standards, like HTML 5, MS is having a harder time locking in users. They tried to hook the desktop and the phone, thus creating a locked ecosystem, but they failed. Now they are trying to reassert control by locking the laptop and tablet to MS Windows 8. At least now they are trying to do so by adding value, like Apple and Google, but what value is being added to the user may be much less than we expect.

Re:Then windows is well and truly dead... (2)

FunPika (1551249) | about 9 months ago | (#44221733)

If Microsoft goes this route and enforces controls and advertising ala Google/Android styl Android will gain the lead as a desktop OS.

1. Why would someone fleeing Windows 8 for Android like features goto Android (unless you meant Linux)?
2. It is never going to happen since most users only care about whether or not their OS lets them post far more information about themselves publicly on Facebook than any company could hope to quietly collect with software tracking.

Re:Then windows is well and truly dead... (1)

aklinux (1318095) | about 9 months ago | (#44221947)

Windows has done it's best since day 1 to be a closed system.

I figured this out when I ordered my 1st copy of Excel, it was advertised as requiring DOS on a 8086 on the day I ordered it. The copy that actually arrived required required Windows and either a 80386 or 80286 processor. I ended up purchasing a Compaq Deskpro 80386/16 and Windows in order to use the software.

This is also about the time most PC compatible computers no longer came with Basic, and if you could get a copy of basic, in no longer wrote to specific memory addresses or i/o ports. If you wanted to do either of these things, you had to buy, from Microsoft (of course), the Profession version of Basic (or C, or Fortran, etc) and the Software Development Kit.

Don't tell me Windows has ever been anything but a "closed" system.

"google does it too" (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44221621)

Ya, but at least you aren't paying extra for the privilege of being tracked like you do with a microsoft product. Its a trade off for 'free' services in google-land.. In the microsoft world you pay thru the nose AND get tracked.

Google is more upfront about it too.

( that said, neither is right.. but one is less bad about it )

Trayvon is a dead dark spook (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44221625)

Fuck Trayvon. I piss on Trayvon's grave. That nigger be dead.

It's the dawn of a new age... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44221641)

...and you're looking right into its Windows.

The account thing is trivial (2)

jayhawk88 (160512) | about 9 months ago | (#44221653)

Unless they've already changed something since the first preview release, all you have to do is enter any old email address and password, MS account-linked or no. It'll fail, and then ask if you want to create a local account.

"Clever workaround"....*eyeroll*.

Tracking local searches and displaying ads... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44221665)

That is appalling. Why would anyone use this piece of crap Windows 8.1? I am going to stick with Ubuntu and Unity for my privacy needs.

Microsoft is just following Apple/Google's lead (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44221677)

Metro/Windows Store ----> Apple
All the known and lesser known attempts to monetize search ----> Google

The big difference about the search revenue is that at least Google 'gives' you the software for 'free' before raping your privacy.

Microsoft will be charging you to rape your privacy.

Wall-E was a documentary (4, Insightful)

Voyager529 (1363959) | about 9 months ago | (#44221683)

Even so, I've found Windows local search to be more trouble than it's worth anyway. the "perpetual green bar" kept getting in my way, so I just disabled Windows Search entirely. On the sad side, I can't use instant search in Outlook anymore. On the bright side, I replaced it with Everything [voidtools.com]. It legitimately searches everything, and does so instantly. I'd prefer doing that in Windows 8.1. If for no other reason, I haven't the foggiest idea why someone would want to simultaneously search the internet and a local drive for the same search string. They're foundationally different - internet search is for "stuff you don't have", and local search is for "stuff you have, but don't know where". I can't ever once think of a time I've wanted to search both at a time.

Serato really, REALLY needs to port itself to Linux.

Re:Wall-E was a documentary (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44221839)

I guess one example could be "I may have this reference pdf on disk - if not I know its somewhere online" so you search locally then online. though I do agree with you and it is hardly that much work to do 2 searches (assuming it was not found locally in the first search).

Fine. (2)

Seumas (6865) | about 9 months ago | (#44221689)

So what if it is doing "what Google's Android has been doing for years"? I'm not using "Google Android" on my desktop, am I?

Big difference (4, Insightful)

stox (131684) | about 9 months ago | (#44221697)

I don't pay $$ for Google. If Microsoft wants to make its products free, then OK, but until then this is abusive. They are trying to eat their cake and have it, too.

Re:Big difference (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44221975)

I don't pay $$ for Google.

But lots of businesses are paying $$ to Google for you.

There is no free lunch. I consider paying $130 to MS for Office Home once every five years to be a trivial expense. But I am worried about what Google, Amazon, and yes, Microsoft, are doing with all the data they're collecting on me. That's not trivial.

Always insightful... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44221703)

I come to here often to read the rants of all the Microsoft-bashers out there that post their comments from a Windows-based system. I especially like the bit about "they are MS and they cannot be trusted" - as if to say that Apple / Google or anyone else with a corporate agenda is any better. The only reason Windows gained market share in the 90's was because it was extremely easy to pirate, and Microsoft rode that wave of piracy right into popularity. Kind of like the crap "artists" in Vegas that give away their music CD's for free, hoping that they'll gain popularity by seeding the populous. Microsoft just let the pirates and Usenet do the heavy lifting.

Re:Always insightful... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44221857)

And then ofcourse the whole underhanded dealings with pc manufacturers... monopoly conviction... but why bother remembering those little details when they dont fit your narrative...

and who's eye would you rather be under? (3, Insightful)

kawabago (551139) | about 9 months ago | (#44221739)

Who would you rather have spying on you, a company whose mission is to 'not be evil' or a company whose attitude is 'bend over and take it!"

Re:and who's eye would you rather be under? (1)

Colonel Korn (1258968) | about 9 months ago | (#44221807)

Who would you rather have spying on you, a company whose mission is to 'not be evil' or a company whose attitude is 'bend over and take it!"

Google, Apple, and MS all have the bend over and take it attitude. Is the "do no evil" company some Linux support brand?

Re:and who's eye would you rather be under? (1)

rubycodez (864176) | about 9 months ago | (#44221823)

no difference, in both cases the users are product to exploit for money

Re:and who's eye would you rather be under? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44221873)

Why is this always made out to be an either/or choice? there are several good 3rd options

Re:and who's eye would you rather be under? (1)

Skapare (16644) | about 9 months ago | (#44221949)

Neither. If it's a corporation I say no. If it's a BIG corporation I say HELL NO! At least the NSA hasn't shown any interest in targeting me with advertising.

Free Windows 8.1? (4, Insightful)

Antony T Curtis (89990) | about 9 months ago | (#44221745)

Since they say that they will be showing advertisements on the desktop, does that mean that they will get rid of the Windows Home/Pro/Expert editions and just have a single Windows 8.1 which is free to download and install?

Re:Free Windows 8.1? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44221983)

He'll be here all week folks! Don't forget to tip your waitress.

windows 8.1 only for the USA (4, Informative)

aepervius (535155) | about 9 months ago | (#44221747)

"funneling users to their services first, "

Yeah that'll work well with anti trust issue in EU.

"tracking your system usage"

Yeah that'll work well with data protection issues in EU.

Re:windows 8.1 only for the USA (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44221851)

sounds like an NSA 'feature'

Re:windows 8.1 only for the USA (3, Insightful)

jd2112 (1535857) | about 9 months ago | (#44221901)

"funneling users to their services first, " Yeah that'll work well with anti trust issue in EU. "tracking your system usage" Yeah that'll work well with data protection issues in EU.

As long as they share data with the local government's spying organization everything will be fine.

The Evils Of USA The Federal Government (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44221749)

"it looks like Microsoft is changing Windows to further its own agenda";

No! Not entirely. Microsoft's Agenda is getting money from the Unelected Federal Government of the USA.

Therefore, killing legal citizens of the USA is a pleasure that Microsoft gladly invests in.

Why?

H-1B!

H-1B aliens cost less than legal citizens of the USA!

Why to H-1Bs cost less?

No healthcare, no benefits, no retirement program.

Pay for Play the Microsoft Way.

Fuck Gates and (Canada Rail Road Baron) Buffett.

Goodbye, POSIX (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44221763)

Goodbye, Windows.

"changing Windows to further its own agenda" (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44221795)

holy shit guys

that is incredible

microsoft has never done a thing like that before

ever

Windows XP (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44221801)

After Windows XP I couldn't find a good reason for somebody to upgrade anymore.

There are a few lessons learned here:

1. Microsoft shoot theirselves on the foot with XP.

2. From Windows 3.1 to XP we, the consumers, where actually paying for flawed products.

3. As much as I hate Apple it seems like their business model works better.

Producer changes product in line with their agenda (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44221871)

Breaking news, more at 5.

Google doesn't require anything for android (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44221927)

You don't need to have any kind of Google account or any link to Google at all to use android. There are plenty of services that are only available if you do, but people who choose to can use android devices without connecting them to Google in any way at all. There are even some devices that you have to go out of your way to get them to connect to Google.

If the article is honest ... (1)

MacTO (1161105) | about 9 months ago | (#44221931)

... I won't stop using Windows, but I will not let Windows online.

The thing is: I expect these shinanagins from Android, so I modify my usage habits accordingly. That is harder to do on a general purpose computer, so I don't want it leaking information about my usage habits like a sieve. So I'll just rip out the ethernet cable and grab files from my Mac or Linux box to use under Windows, and cart them over via sneakernet.

Stop using Windows though, that's a somewhat harder case to make.

My first thought was (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#44221933)

it looks like Microsoft is changing Windows to further its own agenda.

When did they not do that?

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