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Florida Law May Accidentally Ban Computers and Smartphones

Soulskill posted 1 year,14 days | from the language-should-not-be-wielded-like-a-blunt-instrument dept.

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GrueMaster writes "Did Florida ban computers and smartphones? They tried banning Internet Cafes, but the wording in the law is overly broad. '... it's the wording that's problematic, as it defines a slot machine as "any machine or device or system or network of devices" that can be used in games of chance. Turns out the Internet is full of gambling sites, which is where the definition runs into some problems. Consuelo Zapata, owner of the Miami-Dade county Internet cafe Incredible Investments, LLC, is suing the state (PDF) to overturn the ban, saying that definition is too broad and could be applied to any number of electronic devices. "

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238 comments

florida's governor is a criminal (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44232765)

fuck Rick Scott.

Re:florida's governor is a criminal (3, Interesting)

sabri (584428) | 1 year,14 days | (#44232821)

I would abstain from the profanity used, but I think that banning internet cafes should be susceptible to a constitutional challenge.

Re:florida's governor is a criminal (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44232871)

I meant he was a criminal *literally*.

Go look at his record as a corporate CEO.

Re:florida's governor is a criminal (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44232949)

I'm in Naples on vacation and discovered that he's a local.

Re:florida's governor is a criminal (1)

camperdave (969942) | 1 year,14 days | (#44233053)

I meant he was a criminal *literally*.

Go look at his record as a corporate CEO.

I don't think "criminal" was the profanity that he had in mind

Re:florida's governor is a criminal (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44233289)

I don't think "criminal" was the profanity that he had in mind.

Well what the fuck was the profanity he had in mind?!!!

Re: florida's governor is a criminal (1)

eric31415927 (861917) | 1 year,14 days | (#44232965)

I find Internet cafés most helpful for tourists. It doesn't make sense to (try to) pass laws against them. I was in London recently and could web browse easily enough with my tablet. When it came time to compose an email, I was very happy to find an Internet café with computers having full size keyboards.

Re: florida's governor is a criminal (5, Interesting)

Georules (655379) | 1 year,14 days | (#44233295)

The internet cafes in Florida are not like internet cafes in countries outside of the USA. The computers there were literally there to be gambling machines. One such "internet cafe" near me was called "Lucky Day Internet Sweepstakes." I have also been to some of the internet cafes in London and found them to be convenient as a tourist.

Re: florida's governor is a criminal (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44233331)

In the land of the free people are not free to take chances and e.g. lose *OWN* money?
Nice going, communism.

Re: florida's governor is a criminal (1)

Georules (655379) | 1 year,14 days | (#44233385)

Making gambling itself legal is a different issue entirely. It is illegal at the moment, and these shops were providing it illegally.

Re: florida's governor is a criminal (1)

pipatron (966506) | 1 year,14 days | (#44233685)

That's not the point of the law. The point is to be able to taxate the losses so that the state gets its cut. One could say it's a "stupidity tax".

Re: florida's governor is a criminal (5, Interesting)

DragonTHC (208439) | 1 year,14 days | (#44233545)

Well Florida is the "right to scam" state.

As a naturalized FL native, I can honestly say I've seen scammers at work. I've contracted for scammers, I've been stiffed contracting payment by scammers. I've been paid by scammers for legitimate work.

Florida is the place everyone comes to bleed through investors before opening up a new LLC when the money runs dry. I've seen it in at least 3 separate occasions over the past 10 years. Some businesses will change names and locations when they stiff too many people. They still called to get new cables run for their new offices.

Lest you forget about FL pill mills.

So when the state tries to ban Internet cafes, despite the verbiage being off, it's a good thing. Such businesses exist only to scam people.

Re: florida's governor is a criminal (4, Insightful)

Charliemopps (1157495) | 1 year,14 days | (#44233757)

http://flalottery.com/ [flalottery.com]

Florida's legislature can go fuck themselves. Gambling is either bad or it isn't. If the government is running the largest gambling operation in the country and then turns around an makes other types of gambling illegal, they're doing nothing more than eliminating competition.

Re: florida's governor is a criminal (4, Informative)

DaveV1.0 (203135) | 1 year,14 days | (#44233315)

The "internet cafe's" are not what you think of as an internet café. Basically, these are slot machine casinos. You can't get on the internet to check your email or visit a random website. All the computers are essentially virtual slot machines.

Re: florida's governor is a criminal (1)

TechyImmigrant (175943) | 1 year,14 days | (#44233687)

So ban that instead of banning what they did ban, if they need to ban something.
Actually they don't need to ban anything. The world will keep running. It's only Florida.

Re: florida's governor is a criminal (3, Interesting)

Randle_Revar (229304) | 1 year,14 days | (#44233337)

This sounds like the story in, where was it, Ohio? Where "Internet Cafe" was basically slang/cover for "illegal casino".

Re: florida's governor is a criminal (1)

DaveV1.0 (203135) | 1 year,14 days | (#44233391)

Exactly. Same thing, different location.

Re: florida's governor is a criminal (1, Funny)

dgatwood (11270) | 1 year,14 days | (#44233397)

When it came time to compose an email, I was very happy to find an Internet café with computers having full size keyboards.

And the eighteen people who now have your email password are very happy, too.

Re:florida's governor is a criminal (4, Informative)

DaveV1.0 (203135) | 1 year,14 days | (#44233305)

That is because you don't understand what is being called an "internet café". There are places here that call themselves "internet cafés" who offer "games" which are actually nothing more than slot machine parlors using virtual slot machines running on PCs.

Re:florida's governor is a criminal (3, Interesting)

sg_oneill (159032) | 1 year,14 days | (#44233615)

Im convinced half of these laws that get passed don't get passed through a competent lawyer to validate and check. So many utterly ludicrous laws get passed that completely violate constitutional protections or are so poorly written they practically handball themselves to completely arbitrary interpretation by possibly hostile judges all of which a simple rewording by a competent lawyer could correct.

I mean how many times do laws get passed banning porn only to get bounced by the courts who by now are surely bored silly with conservative (and under obama occasionally progressive) politicians who havent bothered to even glance at the constitution

Florida (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44232771)

Florida is a stupid as Texas, and twice as swampy.

Re:Florida (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44233029)

"Look, it's very simple: If we ban all of them new-fangled computing devices, those young punks with their camera internets and their tablet writing phones won't be able to make their online papers about how batshit insane we are. So, please support my law." -The entirety of the bill's debate on the state senate floor

Re:Florida (3, Funny)

TENTH SHOW JAM (599239) | 1 year,14 days | (#44233073)

By my reading of the summary, it seems to me that a coin (which can be used in the noble game of Two up) would be considered a "Device that can be used in Games Of Chance."

Not only have they banned computers. They seem to have banned currency. I wonder how they will pay the police to police this.

Re:Florida (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44233301)

Not only have they banned computers. They seem to have banned currency. I wonder how they will pay the police to police this.

With paper bills.

Re:Florida (2)

TheReaperD (937405) | 1 year,14 days | (#44233313)

I wonder how they will pay the police to police this.

Prepaid debit cards. [slashdot.org]

Re:Florida (1)

PPH (736903) | 1 year,14 days | (#44233399)

I wonder how they will pay the police to police this.

They'll have to raise their wages so they can pay them with some of that fancy folding money. Or .....

..... Bitcoin.

Re:Florida (2)

RoknrolZombie (2504888) | 1 year,14 days | (#44233611)

No football coin tosses?

Computers are a passing fad (5, Funny)

jfdavis668 (1414919) | 1 year,14 days | (#44232789)

They will be forgotten in a few years...

Re:Computers are a passing fad (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44233637)

The internet is just like the CB craze, it will be over soon enough.

Penalties for bad wording (4, Insightful)

Mitreya (579078) | 1 year,14 days | (#44232791)

People responsible for crafting laws should be penalized for poor and vague wording.
Even if it was unintentionally vague (I suspect it is frequently intentional, too).

Re:Penalties for bad wording (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44232941)

I agree. There are so many laws, and so many of them vague, that the authorities can find something to hang anybody if they are motivated.

And on the other hand, recently the President just announced that he was issuing a decree that the law of the land would not be enforced, despite having been duly passed by Congress. I'm talking about the Affordable Care Act, A/K/A ObamaCare, and the "Employer Mandate". That law is a 2000 page monstrosity, it's not working, and the President's decree is nakedly political (they want to postpone the unpopular and unworkable Employer Mandate until after the 2014 elections).

The Republicans should sack up and push back against this arrogation of power to the Executive branch. I don't know why they haven't yet. The USA has three branches in the Federal government, theoretically co-equal, yet the Congress lets the Executive just give himself new powers.

Just imagine if George W. Bush had tried to issue decrees like he was some sort of king. The howls would have deafened us all. But with Barack Obama it is the silence that is deafening.

Re:Penalties for bad wording (1)

sjames (1099) | 1 year,14 days | (#44232975)

So it is your contention that the Republicans like Obama too much?

Re:Penalties for bad wording (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44233435)

So it is your contention that the Republicans like Obama too much?

No. I think several factors are in play here:

* Everybody knows that the mainstream media will gang attack anyone who threatens President Obama politically.

* Political consultants are likely telling the Republicans that independent voters hate partisanship. This seems to be a factor anytime we wonder why the Republicans are letting the Democrats get away with stuff.

* The top Republicans might be just too scared to try to touch an entitlement, even before it has ramped up into its "handing out the goodies" phase yet.

Despite all of the above, I really can't tell you why they are not pushing on this. The Republicans should be running ads showing a clip of President Obama, Nancy Pelosi, or anyone else who made promises about the ACA, and then point out that the promise was not true. "An average family of 4 will save $2,500 per year" ... actually, insurance went up by more than $2,500 per year. "If you like your plan you can keep it" ... plans are being canceled all over the country because they don't meet the standards set by the ACA. And so on...

http://dailycaller.com/2013/04/01/the-human-face-of-obamacares-broken-promises/ [dailycaller.com]

Re:Penalties for bad wording (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44233423)

Just imagine if George W. Bush had tried to issue decrees like he was some sort of king. The howls would have deafened us all.

Why imagine? Google "signing statements". There was plenty of howling, at the time Republicans were howling back about a unitary executive who was tasked with implementing the law (or not) as he sees fit.

Those of us who thought it was a bad idea then and a bad idea now are just stuck voting third party and hoping the rest of you wisen up.

Re:Penalties for bad wording (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44233553)

I'm not a fan of the signing statements, but they aren't as bad as a President who just announces that his Administration will just not enforce immigration law, or that he is unilaterally changing the way the ACA works.

Politically I'm a libertarian, so I view candidates as "who will do more damage to the country". It's been a while since I voted FOR a candidate. I voted for Romney because he would have done less harm. I think I could actually vote for Rand Paul if he runs.

Re:Penalties for bad wording (1)

sjames (1099) | 1 year,14 days | (#44232957)

They and their family should be forced to live up to the letter of their stupid law.

Re:Penalties for bad wording (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44233071)

It's worse than that. Would you consider a folding table or a telephone as a device? Because they can be used in games of chance too.

Re:Penalties for bad wording (1)

JustOK (667959) | 1 year,14 days | (#44233265)

Ban hands so they can't play Rock, Paper, Scissors, Lizard, Spock.

Re:Penalties for bad wording (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44233661)

Better yet, ban horse shoes, ping pong balls, carnivals, sports, and guns. Guns can be used in a variety of games, notably Russian roulette.

Re:Penalties for bad wording (1)

cold fjord (826450) | 1 year,14 days | (#44233153)

People responsible for crafting laws should be penalized for poor and vague wording.
  Even if it was unintentionally vague (I suspect it is frequently intentional, too).

They are subject to public ridicule, having their law overturned in court, and being tossed out of office by voters. If they go for the gold they could be caught up in corruption charges. Of course a politician being a disgrace doesn't really seem to matter to some voters. These two still seem to find enthusiastic audiences.

Lupica: Sleazy New York politicians Spitzer, Weiner just refuse to stay away [nydailynews.com]

Endgame: New poll shows Anthony Weiner leading in race for NYC mayor [hotair.com]

Re:Penalties for bad wording (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44233517)

While I disagree with this in theory, I think, in practice, it would accomplish what I think is the only sane approach to government...

Stop making so many laws, especially if they are so complicated that they are hard to word accurately.

Banning loose change? (5, Insightful)

Tea-Bone of Brooklyn (828337) | 1 year,14 days | (#44232807)

Talk about overly broad, isn't a coin a device that can be used in a game of chance?

Re:Banning loose change? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44232943)

TVs too: Ever turn on a TV these days? Its a real game of chance. Its like a slot machine where if you win the jackpot you get decent programming for 5 minutes. They are networked too! Many cars are networked and also games of chance (driving is an inverse lottery: normally you get the small payout of getting to your destination, but sometimes you get a big loss!).

They also banned hands. They are networked (nerves) and used in games of chance (rock paper scissors among other things). What didn't they ban with this?

Re:Banning loose change? (1)

camperdave (969942) | 1 year,14 days | (#44233181)

Decent programming? Every time I turn on the TV it's a gamble whether or not the actual channels will still be there. History channel: gone. AMC: gone. Space: gone. Peachtree: gone. BET: gone. Spike: gone.

Re:Banning loose change? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44233319)

Decent programming? Every time I turn on the TV it's a gamble whether or not the actual channels will still be there. History channel: gone. AMC: gone. Space: gone. Peachtree: gone. BET: gone. Spike: gone.

Yep, the jackpot is really quite rare and not that good. Its been years since I won; I stopped playing long ago, its just not fun anymore.

Re:Banning loose change? (1)

Randle_Revar (229304) | 1 year,14 days | (#44233351)

You have to pay the cable/satellite bill if you want to keep them...

Re:Banning loose change? (1)

RoknrolZombie (2504888) | 1 year,14 days | (#44233587)

Or the guy at the pawn shop.

Just the -idea- of making internet cafes illegal (1)

Marrow (195242) | 1 year,14 days | (#44232845)

Its mind boggling. Hey! They have a whole lot of hotels in Florida. MOST of them will have a complimentary computers to use in an office setting. Are they going to ban those computers so they cannot be used in Internet gambling? That will make an impression. It will impress people that Florida is braindead.

Re:Just the -idea- of making internet cafes illega (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44232889)

This isn't about making internet cafes illegal, it's targeted at the small gambling rooms that lure mostly old people.

uh, yes its making internet cafes illegal (1)

Marrow (195242) | 1 year,14 days | (#44233127)

I guess the rich dont need to use the cafes. But hey, I bet they are pretty handy for someone who didn't grow up with a computer. No setup fees. Maybe a little free help. No big startup cost on a fixed income. A reason to get out of the house. If there is any state in the union that should have them, its flori-duh.

With one signature, Internet cafes in Florida close
Effect on workers, patrons immediate when Scott makes bill law

http://www.floridatoday.com/article/20130411/BUSINESS/304110024/With-one-signature-Internet-caf-s-Florida-close?nclick_check=1 [floridatoday.com]

Re:uh, yes its making internet cafes illegal (3, Informative)

DaveV1.0 (203135) | 1 year,14 days | (#44233353)

You should visit one of these "internet café's". It would be amusing to watch you try to go online and visit Slashdot or check your email, because one can't. As you have never seen or experienced these places, you are going on the name they are using. They aren't calling themselves casinos, slot parlors, gambling dens, etc. because those are illegal. Instead they are using virtual slot machine software on networked computers. There is no general internet access.

Re:uh, yes its making internet cafes illegal (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44233389)

But hey, I bet

Citizen. You are no longer permitted to use these filthy words that promote gambling. Please voluntarily report to the nearest correction facility for your mandatory re-programming. Failure to do so will result in a death warrant being issued.

Re:Just the -idea- of making internet cafes illega (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44233455)

Yes yes mommy liberal, sending big gubbamint to save us all!

Re:Just the -idea- of making internet cafes illega (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44232907)

Might as well ban public libraries while they are at it.

Re:Just the -idea- of making internet cafes illega (1)

Georules (655379) | 1 year,14 days | (#44233367)

The "internet cafes" near me (I'm in Florida) are certainly not there to be used as you would expect. You go in to buy credit to play games on the machines, which only have gambling programs. The definitions in this bill, and the word "internet cafe", are all being improperly used here. These shops were quite literally for gambling. The one closest to me was called "Lucky Day Internet Sweepstakes." I did see one where you could also browse the internet hourly, but this was clearly not the primary focus.

Re:Just the -idea- of making internet cafes illega (1)

Swave An deBwoner (907414) | 1 year,14 days | (#44233765)

An article describing these "Sweepstakes" parlors http://www.businessweek.com/printer/articles/55670-the-casino-next-door [businessweek.com]

BTW, I found this URL in a previous /. post, http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3638315&cid=43421823 [slashdot.org]

Obviously it's a Newspaper conspiracy (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44232851)

Clearly the newspaper companies in Florida were paying off the government so that people would no longer have access to computers and have no choice but to buy newspapers again.

It can't be a conspiracy (1)

cold fjord (826450) | 1 year,14 days | (#44232867)

I thought everything that government did was well planned and orchestrated, directed by the corporations that own everything, including politicians. Next thing you know, somebody will challenge the idea of the all powerful military-industrial complex that has had its share of resources in the US budget reduced from 38% of GDP in 1945 to ~ 4-5% today. That is crazy talk.

Re:It can't be a conspiracy (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44232915)

You don't need perfect beings in order to have corruption.

Re:It can't be a conspiracy (2)

cold fjord (826450) | 1 year,14 days | (#44233039)

Yes, but by the same token you don't need to have corruption for idiocy to occur either. People make mistakes, but due consideration can help reduce them. That is why the current trend of the US Congress passing 2,000 page bills without giving members of Congress a chance to read and digest them before a vote is such an appallingly bad idea. These bills are often being changed up until the last moment and written with the help of outsiders [realclearpolitics.com] . There is no way that anybody can read them, there is no way that anybody can understand them and consider the consequences. I think it is exceedingly dangerous to democracy, liberty, transparency, and good government.

They did it on purpose. (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44232883)

It is florida, afterall.

Accidentally? (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44232893)

Are you sure?

This _AND_ sex (5, Interesting)

tgetzoya (827201) | 1 year,14 days | (#44232899)

http://gawker.com/5800990/did-florida-accidentally-ban-sex [gawker.com] So, what is there left to do in Florida? Die?

Re:This _AND_ sex (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44232983)

Well, it is where all the old people go.

Re:This _AND_ sex (1)

mark-t (151149) | 1 year,14 days | (#44233711)

Old pople have sex too, you know.

Re:This _AND_ sex (1)

dltaylor (7510) | 1 year,14 days | (#44233097)

Delivering a turned calf makes the rancher/vet a sex offender, as does, I suspect, any of the common methods of artifical insemination used by same.

Re:This _AND_ sex (1)

Darinbob (1142669) | 1 year,14 days | (#44233775)

Although humans are animals, the act does allow exceptions to the ban on sexual contact with animals in the case of animal husbandry and conformal judging. So... sex for procreation is allowed, as are biggest dick contests.

Fark (5, Funny)

bmo (77928) | 1 year,14 days | (#44232927)

There are reasons why Florida has its own tag on Fark.

This is one of them.

--
BMO

Re:Fark (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44233441)

There are reasons why Florida has its own tag on Fark.

This is one of them.

--
BMO

The State of Florida banned from the Internet? ...and nothing of value was lost.

Florida (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44232933)

Florida is a strange mix of coke dealers, elderly retirees, theme park employees, and Scientologists. There's a reason you don't hear about things quite this crazy coming from other states.

Problem solved! (1)

sjames (1099) | 1 year,14 days | (#44232937)

here [youtube.com]

Lousy summary (0)

Jiro (131519) | 1 year,14 days | (#44232961)

They're suing because the statute would ban their promotional games, not becaise it would ban computers just because they use the Internet and the Internet has games on it.

Stop distinguishing smartphones & computers (4, Insightful)

Bradmont (513167) | 1 year,14 days | (#44233005)

Please stop drawing a distinction between smartphones and computers (and tablets). They are all computers. Allowing the farce of distinction to survive is a major part of the reason smartphones can be classified as "applicances" and don't have to follow laws about openness and intercompatability.

Re:Stop distinguishing smartphones & computers (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44233055)

laws about openness and intercompatability.

Hahahahahaha!

Re:Stop distinguishing smartphones & computers (2)

amirulbahr (1216502) | 1 year,14 days | (#44233155)

Applicances are not intercompatible with appliances and intercompatability between the word 'compatibility' and the prefix 'inter' is dubious at best. As is any claim you make.

Re: Stop distinguishing smartphones & compute (3, Insightful)

tepples (727027) | 1 year,14 days | (#44233173)

I draw the distinction based on whether someone else's permission is required for a given program to execute. Android devices are computers; iProducts and game consoles aren't.

Come see the violence inherent in the system (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44233069)

Just us? [examiner.com]

Is Florida filled with cunts? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44233111)

Sorry to be blunt but from seen from outside the US, well, you can see that it's a legitimate question.

Re:Is Florida filled with cunts? (1)

JustOK (667959) | 1 year,14 days | (#44233285)

No, it's not filled with cunts. There's alot of dinks there too.

Re:Is Florida filled with cunts? (1)

AK Marc (707885) | 1 year,14 days | (#44233329)

You may call the pensioners, but yes, same thing.

Broadly defined... (3, Funny)

fahrbot-bot (874524) | 1 year,14 days | (#44233167)

"any machine or device or system or network of devices" that can be used in games of chance.

Anyone driven a car in Florida? Going to the grocery store is a game of chance down there. :-)

Re:Broadly defined... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44233547)

So does this ban eveything with a computer ? Almost everything has on and many network, ie: cars, planes, TV's, factory robots. If only we could ban stupid, then there will be less goverment crap.

Plus, casinos were already illegal.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44233183)

Why did they need to create a new law when it was already illegal except for the indian and cruise casinos... probably because they profited from it ( http://bigstory.ap.org/article/57-charged-florida-gambling-scandal )

Hysterical nonsense. (2)

Wdomburg (141264) | 1 year,14 days | (#44233201)

This is roughly as stupid as when people claimed Florida banned sex a couple years ago. Read the bill. It clearly refers to devices that perform gaming function on activation; not general purpose devices.

Common sense, people. What is more likely? A hundred and forty legislators voting to ban computers, or a bogus lawsuit with a silly premise?

Re:Hysterical nonsense. (4, Insightful)

Roogna (9643) | 1 year,14 days | (#44233245)

In Florida? You obviously don't live here.

I'd go with A hundred and forty legislators voting to ban computers. A lot of them really are that bad at their jobs.

Re:Hysterical nonsense. (2)

Smallpond (221300) | 1 year,14 days | (#44233471)

Read the complaint. The business was shut down because it had a legal game promotion; it didn't run an internet gambling site.

The Patriot Act clearly refers to stopping terrorism. That doesn't change the fact that it is primarily used to go after drug crimes.

Simple solution ... (1)

Skapare (16644) | 1 year,14 days | (#44233219)

... is to file charges against the governor for possessing these now-illegal things.

...that can be used in games of chance. (2)

MichaelSmith (789609) | 1 year,14 days | (#44233233)

Just means they can't be used to compile C++ in Florida.

they outlawed their own state lottery too (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44233323)

All those devices used in a big game of chance....sorry folks dependant on what whatever their lottery helps fund!

Burger, tits, guns, freedom, oil, (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44233381)

'MURICA!

OK. Who had ... (1)

PPH (736903) | 1 year,14 days | (#44233431)

... Florida in the pool for the next stupid law?

I live in Florida (1)

Andrio (2580551) | 1 year,14 days | (#44233449)

I guess I'm breaking the law just by posting this :o

Further proof about Florida (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44233457)

States are like school mates. Mississippi may be the retarded one you feel sorry for, Texas is the dumb jock who always talks about enlisting in the service as soon as he gets out of high school because he can't do anything else, but Florida is the genetically defective creep who you suspect is dissecting road kill in his basement after school.

They aren't really "internet cafe's" (4, Informative)

DaveV1.0 (203135) | 1 year,14 days | (#44233459)

First off, these aren't the kind of internet cafe' one can go to and get on-line and check one's email or visit a web site. The computers only have gambling program(s) and it is basically a virtual slot machine. These places don't even offer wifi so you can bring your own computer. They are, in effect, illegal casinos.

Second, the law specifically defines the establishments and computers. It only applies to computers which are set up to ONLY run programs that are games of chance and the establishments that have them.

Third, the reason the law talks about internet cafe's is because that is what these places call themselves.

Re:They aren't really "internet cafe's" (1)

ZorinLynx (31751) | 1 year,14 days | (#44233519)

I've never actually seen one of these places. Where are they typically found? I live in the Miami area and the closest thing I've seen to an Internet Café was a place in a mall that had gaming PCs set up so you could play games, basically a pay-by-the-hour LAN party.

Re:They aren't really "internet cafe's" (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44233575)

Look for a strip mall that has a storefront labeled "Sweepstakes".

Re:They aren't really "internet cafe's" (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44233777)

So exactly what's wrong with gambling anyways? You can play the lotto. You can go gamble on gov't sanctioned casinos, or OTBs or wherever. But internet gambling? Why is that so evil?

It's plain stupid.

Voting machines? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44233551)

This would solve the hanging chad and paper trail problem.....

Win some money recently, Linux Advocate? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44233557)

Did you win some money at an illegal Florida casino Internet Cafe? Awesome! We're really happy for you! But as you know money doesn't grow on trees. And, Linux Advocates is growing. Naturally, we anticipate operating costs and hope to be able to meet them.

But, any amount you feel you are able to donate in support of our ongoing work will be most surely appreciated and put to very good use. Your contributions keep Linux Advocates growing.

Show your support by making a donation today.

Thank you.

Dieter T. Schmitz

Linux Advocates, Owner

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I'm sure it's been said... (1)

RoknrolZombie (2504888) | 1 year,14 days | (#44233579)

I'm sure it's been said already, but I just wanted to say, on behalf of the remaining Internet: THANK YOU!
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