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House Democrats Propose National Park On the Moon

Soulskill posted about a year ago | from the taking-volunteers-for-space-rangers dept.

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MarkWhittington writes "Two House Democrats, Reps. Donna Edwards (D-Md.) and Eddie Bernice Johnson (D-Texas), have proposed a bill called Apollo Lunar Landing Legacy Act, H.R. 2617 (PDF), that would establish the Apollo Lunar Landing Sites National Historical Park at all the Apollo lunar landing sites, according to a story in The Hill. 'The park would be comprised of all artifacts left on the surface of the moon from the Apollo 11 through 17 missions. The bill says these sites need to be protected because of the anticipated increase in commercial moon landings in the future.'"

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how about (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44234265)

they go fuck themselves since the moon isn't America's

Re:how about (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44234277)

One of these days, AC. Bam! Pow! Straight to the moon.

Re:how about (5, Informative)

mooingyak (720677) | about a year ago | (#44234285)

they go fuck themselves since the moon isn't America's

From TFA:

“The government would also have to submit the Apollo 11 lunar landing site to the United Nations for designation as a World Heritage site.”

I'd think they've got a legitimate case for that being accepted. Terminology gets a little interesting though, with "World" referring to the moon as well.

Re:how about (3, Insightful)

hairyfeet (841228) | about a year ago | (#44234505)

But how is anything the UN says gonna affect private enterprise? And do all countries obey UN mandates? I have a feeling the value of those relics to private collectors means the UN can say WTF they want, sooner or later SOMEBODY is gonna grab 'em.

Re:how about (4, Insightful)

Sir_Sri (199544) | about a year ago | (#44234619)

But how is anything the UN says gonna affect private enterprise?

Countries are subject to national laws. Countries are all part of the UN, and even the ones that aren't can be more or less forced to go along with it by the ones that are.

do all countries obey UN mandates

Insofar as anyone obeys the laws they themselves have agreed to follow (which, I take your point, is not as often as one might hope).

sooner or later SOMEBODY is gonna grab 'em.

So... making an effort towards later rather than sooner is probably worthwhile.

Certainly the UN is only as capable as its member states, who are only so capable, and eventually I'm sure law and order will break down enough for whatever reason that anyone who feels like it can go pillage historical artefacts from everyone else. But for the moment we try and avoid that.

There isn't an infinite time horizon solution. We could simply say 'free for all, first come first serve' and let the artefacts get sold, but eventually notions of private property will break down long enough for someone to steal them from their owner of the day and if they have bigger weapons than the other guy, I guess that makes it legal. But for as long as there is lawful authority (insofar as such a thing exists at all) we can make laws to try and do the best possible for now, and when we're dead the next group of people can deal with whatever their problem of the day is. Lets face it, if they find the 25th century equivalent of oil under the apollo landing sights, they're getting moved to museums, and I wouldn't begrudge my greatx20 grand children whatever choice they think is best. For the moment 'don't touch' seems like the best bet.

Re:how about (4, Interesting)

stenvar (2789879) | about a year ago | (#44235007)

If a private space entrepreneur does the job of flying to the moon, collecting the artifacts, and returning them before the US government gets its act together, perhaps ending up in his private collection is a fitting outcome.

Re:how about (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44235267)

Never mind that all this was only possible in the first place thanks to public research and public implementation, and that the only reason NASA is such a royal fuck-up today is because it's been ground down into a shell by Reaganite obsession with public-private partnerships (which are nothing more than corporate welfare).

You know what, I would have hoped that when it came to space exploration, humanity had finally moved on beyond a three year old's "mine mine mine!" mindset. Part of me wanted to believe that all those who were bright enough to make a project to go to the Moon would ultimately want to share their ability with others, not use their skill so they could buy a bigger yacht. But it turns out that 30 years of unfettered capitalism form as effective a repeated lie as those which plagued mid-C20, so that even your literal high flyers can be suckered in by the most base of goals.

Remember We do these things because they are hard?

Re:how about (3, Insightful)

Optimal Cynic (2886377) | about a year ago | (#44235271)

I'd rather they were left in place. They're effectively a time capsule, and context is very important for future study.

Re:how about (2)

EzInKy (115248) | about a year ago | (#44234711)

You are right, UN mandates are only as strong as the guns that support them. And, since most of the world believes as you do that private ownership supersedes public, you can rest assured that those "grab them" claims to ownership will be defended. Wouldn't it be nice if we could all just get along?

Re:how about (2)

hairyfeet (841228) | about a year ago | (#44235389)

Personally I'd love it if they stayed there but I'm also a realist, and 1.- those things won't last forever in the nasty conditions on the moon,solar winds and little meteors and the like will trash them, which IIRC scientists said the flags might last 300 years, and 2.- To a private collector those things will be worth a fortune and as we have seen time and time again if there is enough money on the table SOMEBODY will claim it.

But just FYI I don't think private ownership should be the end all be all, I sadly have just seen too much when it comes to my fellow man to think everybody will play nice and leave stuff alone because we ask. Hell look at how gourmets are happy to pay crazy prices for endangered fish, rather than let stock build back up I wouldn't be surprised if they would be happy to be the one that ate the last of this or that fish, just as i'm sure some private collector would pay a ton of money to have one of those flags behind glass for his friends to ooohh and aahh over even if they had to have a historic site trashed to get it..

Re:how about (2)

quantaman (517394) | about a year ago | (#44235385)

they go fuck themselves since the moon isn't America's

From TFA:

“The government would also have to submit the Apollo 11 lunar landing site to the United Nations for designation as a World Heritage site.”

I'd think they've got a legitimate case for that being accepted. Terminology gets a little interesting though, with "World" referring to the moon as well.

I'm not sure the attempt to be designated as a World Heritage site is an acknowledgement of the fact that the Moon isn't American property, I'm willing to bet that most UN World Heritage sites exist in some country's territory.

I'm looking at this with a very sympathetic eye, but at best this is a naive, but good hearted attempt to establish some precedence for protecting the Apollo landing sites before a serious commercial interest gets involved, an attempt that doesn't realize you can't declare a national park outside of your territory. At worst it's a cynical PR/ego move that doesn't care if it doesn't make sense because it's not supposed to do anything. It's just supposed to get their names in the papers and/or serve as a club with which to bat opposing legislators who oppose it.

I actually wouldn't mind a bill that said nothing but 'lets submit it to the UN as a World Heritage site and come up with some plan for protecting this stuff for when commercial interests eventually find their way up there", but talking about a national park is the wrong way to do it.

Re:how about (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44234313)

We got there first. We claimed it. What more do you want?

Re: how about (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44234337)

We also stuck a flag on it. So finders keepers.

Re: how about (2)

tsa (15680) | about a year ago | (#44235327)

We Europeans did that all the time during the great exploring days. No matter if there were other people living there, if we found it it was usually ours.

Re: how about (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44235401)

Do you have a flag? [youtube.com] - classic!

Re:how about (4, Informative)

Kell Bengal (711123) | about a year ago | (#44234411)

Actually, the Russians got there first [wikipedia.org] .

Re:how about (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44234517)

When I was a kid, I got my Frisbee stuck on the roof. That doesn't mean that I got onto the roof. We, being a pronoun, refers to people. Your link, referring to an unmanned projectile fired at the moon, doesn't refute what was said.

Re:how about (1)

I'm New Around Here (1154723) | about a year ago | (#44234629)

When I was a kid, I got my Frisbee stuck on the roof. That doesn't mean that I got onto the roof.

In my house it did.

I remember climbing up on the roof by time I was 6 or 7, and probably sooner. After all, I was the youngest, therefor the smallest and lightest to lift up.

By time I was 7 or 8, we actually had an upper porch that had direct access to the roof, so we were up there whenever we wanted.

Re:how about (5, Funny)

davester666 (731373) | about a year ago | (#44234655)

It only counts when somebody licks the surface with their bare tongue.

Re:how about (2)

Internetuser1248 (1787630) | about a year ago | (#44234827)

We got there first. We claimed it. What more do you want?

Speaking of which, the Nacotchtank [wikipedia.org] want to know when they can move back into the whitehouse.

Re:how about (1)

wonkey_monkey (2592601) | about a year ago | (#44235013)

Speaking of which, the Nacotchtank [wikipedia.org] want to know when they can move back into the whitehouse.

Did they have a flag [youtube.com] ?

Re:how about (1, Flamebait)

msauve (701917) | about a year ago | (#44234361)

But the landing sites are really a sound stage at Area 51 in Nevada.

Re:how about (5, Funny)

Beardo the Bearded (321478) | about a year ago | (#44234661)

Well, the moon landings WERE faked, but they were filmed on the moon.

We've had a base up there since 1958. It's just on the far side so you can't see it from Earth.

Re:how about (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44234489)

they go fuck themselves since the moon isn't America's

Oh but it is! Here, this terrifying truth was uncovered right here on slashdot, but since the Democrats have been trying to cover it up, many haven't heard. The current generation needs to read this, so I'll repost it now.

The Moon - A Ridiculous Liberal Myth

It amazes me that so many allegedly "educated" people have fallen so quickly and so hard for a fraudulent fabrication of such laughable proportions. The very idea that a gigantic ball of rock happens to orbit our planet, showing itself in neat, four-week cycles -- with the same side facing us all the time -- is ludicrous. Furthermore, it is an insult to common sense and a damnable affront to intellectual honesty and integrity. That people actually believe it is evidence that the liberals have wrested the last vestiges of control of our public school system from decent, God-fearing Americans (as if any further evidence was needed! Daddy's Roommate? God Almighty!)

Documentaries such as Enemy of the State have accurately portrayed the elaborate, byzantine network of surveillance satellites that the liberals have sent into space to spy on law-abiding Americans. Equipped with technology developed by Handgun Control, Inc., these satellites have the ability to detect firearms from hundreds of kilometers up. That's right, neighbors .. the next time you're out in the backyard exercising your Second Amendment rights, the liberals will see it! These satellites are sensitive enough to tell the difference between a Colt .45 and a .38 Special! And when they detect you with a firearm, their computers cross-reference the address to figure out your name, and then an enormous database housed at Berkeley is updated with information about you.

Of course, this all works fine during the day, but what about at night? Even the liberals can't control the rotation of the Earth to prevent nightfall from setting in (only Joshua was able to ask for that particular favor!) That's where the "moon" comes in. Powered by nuclear reactors, the "moon" is nothing more than an enormous balloon, emitting trillions of candlepower of gun-revealing light. Piloted by key members of the liberal community, the "moon" is strategically moved across the country, pointing out those who dare to make use of their God-given rights at night!

Yes, I know this probably sounds paranoid and preposterous, but consider this. Despite what the revisionist historians tell you, there is no mention of the "moon" anywhere in literature or historical documents -- anywhere -- before 1950. That is when it was initially launched. When President Josef Kennedy, at the State of the Union address, proclaimed "We choose to go to the moon", he may as well have said "We choose to go to the weather balloon." The subsequent faking of a "moon" landing on national TV was the first step in a long history of the erosion of our constitutional rights by leftists in this country. No longer can we hide from our government when the sun goes down.

Re:how about (1)

I'm New Around Here (1154723) | about a year ago | (#44234639)

That one was actually humorous.

No mention before 1950?? lol

Good job.

Re:how about (1)

wonkey_monkey (2592601) | about a year ago | (#44235021)

Mr T invented the moon in 1976.

Re:how about (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44235073)

Nothing before 1950 he says?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comical_History_of_the_States_and_Empires_of_the_Moon

Written by Cyrano de Bergerac and published (posthumously) in 1657.

Lesser light (1)

zaax (637433) | about a year ago | (#44235407)

In Genesis it is called the 'lesser light' that rules the night. In Revelation it will turn to blood.

Re:how about (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44234947)

and by international treaty NO BODY in this solar system except what you own on earth can be yours....in other words by slight people and corporations are the only ones able to own pieces of planets and moons BUT to make legal you have to go there.

guess hat that means with a private usa space program.....these evil bastards will own mars

A spacey idea... (5, Funny)

mendax (114116) | about a year ago | (#44234269)

This idea is absolutely nuts. But if they're hiring park rangers I'll be in line!

Re:A spacey idea... (2)

Darinbob (1142669) | about a year ago | (#44234509)

I just want a season pass.

Re:A spacey idea... (2)

dgatwood (11270) | about a year ago | (#44234553)

I think the Congresspeople who proposed it should have to be the first to staff it.

(What do you mean there's no oxygen?)

Re:A spacey idea... (0)

Seumas (6865) | about a year ago | (#44234895)

The government is spying on us. It's spying on itself. It's spying on other nations citizens. Cops are going fucking nuts. Spending is fucking ridiculous. But let's spend our fucking House work/time talking about a park on the fucking moon. Fuck this place.

Re:A spacey idea... (2)

Optimal Cynic (2886377) | about a year ago | (#44235285)

Look at it this way, it took up a slot that could have been used for another spending bill.

Re:A spacey idea... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44235359)

Shit son... haven't you seen Moon yet?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1182345/

No one has territory on the moon (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44234281)

And even if they did, how would they enforce their claim? The best NASA could do was politely suggest the Chinese avoid the Apollo landing sites.

Re:No one has territory on the moon (5, Insightful)

Capsaicin (412918) | about a year ago | (#44234305)

Maybe the folks proposing this didn't think too hard about how the word 'national' will be read outside the US.

Re:No one has territory on the moon (0)

Brett Buck (811747) | about a year ago | (#44234315)

Maybe they didn't care how that would be read outside the US. I know I don't.

Re:No one has territory on the moon (1)

Capsaicin (412918) | about a year ago | (#44234341)

Maybe they didn't care how that would be read outside the US.

That's kinda encompassed in not thinking to hard about it, yeah.

I know I don't.

Perhaps there's a future for you as a House Democrat then.

Re:No one has territory on the moon (0, Troll)

Brett Buck (811747) | about a year ago | (#44234387)

Sorry, I am not a
pervert,
alcohol or drug abuser,
high officer in the KKK,
tax cheat,

          so I don't qualify

Re:No one has territory on the moon (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44234457)

Or a nigger.

Re:No one has territory on the moon (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44234497)

Sorry, I am not a pervert, alcohol or drug abuser, high officer in the KKK, tax cheat,

so I don't qualify

You are thinking too hard already: don't over-exert yourself.

Re:No one has territory on the moon (1)

Capsaicin (412918) | about a year ago | (#44234593)

Gotcha.

Re:No one has territory on the moon (1)

davester666 (731373) | about a year ago | (#44234665)

...to be a politician...

Re:No one has territory on the moon (1)

mooingyak (720677) | about a year ago | (#44234595)

Maybe they didn't care how that would be read outside the US.

That's kinda encompassed in not thinking to hard about it, yeah.

Not necessarily. It could be more like the difference between negligence and willful negligence.

Re:No one has territory on the moon (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44234641)

Not necessarily. It could be more like the difference between negligence and willful negligence.

You are arguing that "willful negligence" is not negligence at all.

Not thinking too hard about something necessarily encompasses not caring about it enough to think about it. Which is not to say that not thinking about it equates with not caring about it. If you are going to split hairs for no good reason at least try to be correct.

Re:No one has territory on the moon (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44235129)

The American attitude summed up in one post, gentlemen.

Re:No one has territory on the moon (2)

Fluffeh (1273756) | about a year ago | (#44234583)

Actually the US has some rather "straightforward" laws about National Parks - which are also places like the Lincoln Memorial (I think they file those under National Heritage) and places that are important to the military.

And while I totally agree that they can't really enforce it outside the US, it does actually go a long way to defining what can and can't be done there by US companies. So, actually, I think that this is a great idea. It probably takes next to no time to propose in parliament, will likely get a pass and stops US based companies using the original landing sites as a mine.

If space travel were to get super cheap tomorrow, I would dearly love and enjoy taking a tour of the original landing sites and not look at billboards, advertising or simply find out that they got ran over by a mining rig...

Re:No one has territory on the moon (1)

EzInKy (115248) | about a year ago | (#44234725)

So you are okay with China and all other non-US companies doing whatever they will while limiting US companies ability to compete universally?

Re:No one has territory on the moon (2)

Fluffeh (1273756) | about a year ago | (#44234807)

If the US has it as a national park, the others will likely be polite enough to avoid trashing it. That's the point.

Re:No one has territory on the moon (1)

EzInKy (115248) | about a year ago | (#44234855)

Can you cite references that support your assertion that others will not trash a US national park simply because it is a US national park? What benefit do they receive from preserving it?

Re:No one has territory on the moon (1)

Rockoon (1252108) | about a year ago | (#44235387)

If the US has it as a national park, the others will likely be polite enough to avoid trashing it.

How naive...

This is how America falls... via people so disconnected from reality..

One problem... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44234283)

We don't own it so they don't have the jurisdiction to pass laws on the moon. How about a zoo for these moon bats?

Re:One problem... (1)

techno-vampire (666512) | about a year ago | (#44234989)

Even better: a wildlife preserve to protect all of those metal-munching mice. [wikipedia.org]

'National' Historic park (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44234291)

So presumably most of humanity, e.g. those not part of that single nation, would be expected to ignore them.

Funding details? (2)

Lodlaiden (2767969) | about a year ago | (#44234303)

Will there be funding to "recreate" all the artifacts that were supposedly left behind, but stolen by the aliens?

(I need to believe that the government didn't have the ability to lie to us about that (at least not that long ago)).

Re:Funding details? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44234375)

what?

Please (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44234311)

Have a fenced off section for dogs, or there'll be shit everywhere.

They can say whatever they want... (0)

cpotoso (606303) | about a year ago | (#44234319)

But I already got all the artifacts in my last two trips there.

Of all the stupid... (5, Insightful)

Okian Warrior (537106) | about a year ago | (#44234335)

Of all the stupid, hare-brained ideas we've seen, this one has to be the stupidest so far.

We're close to exponential runaway on government spending (borrowing more, and more often). The economy is barely moving despite drenching it in money, jobs are part-time with no benefits, we jail more people than China, the government plainly tramples over all our civil rights, oil is running out, tax law is a joke, IP law is a joke, immigration law is a joke, H1B visas are a joke...

...so of course let's put a park on the moon!

I'm half inclined to start a new political movement: the "Boot" party.

Let's give these people "the boot" - vote the incumbents out! Keep turnover high until we get good people who can accomplish something worthwhile.

Re:Of all the stupid... (3, Funny)

Brett Buck (811747) | about a year ago | (#44234527)

The economy is barely moving despite drenching it in money

          This is equivalent to "no matter how much gasoline I pour on it, this fire just won't go out"

     

Re:Of all the stupid... (4, Insightful)

artor3 (1344997) | about a year ago | (#44234643)

Congress can't do anything else, on account of the gridlock, so why not spend a few minutes voting on this?

And by the way, if you just indiscriminately vote out incumbents every cycle, you'll never get anyone good in office. You'll just get wave after wave of naive freshmen, easily exploited by lobbyists.

Re:Of all the stupid... (2)

Cenan (1892902) | about a year ago | (#44235163)

So, how about revising the Boot a bit? We don't need to keep recycling people in and out of office to have a workable system, in that respect you're absolutely right.

How about outlawing lobbying altogether, and demand that incumbents be left alone to do their job? That sounds like a good idea. Oh, even better, how about, when you hold a public office, you're expected to do that job, and it is expected to be a full time job - so we could mandate that while in office, you may not have any other for-profit activities. Yes, that could work, incumbents doing their job and not doing another job on top of it, after all, they're all public servants, not the other way around.

Hmm, what else? Well, we could demand complete 100% transparency with regard to a representative's economy (both time and money) while in office, seeing as they already know everything about us, maybe we should demand to know all that they do, they are acting on our behalf right, now we'd have a tool to verify that.

Oh, and we could borrow from the Athenians a few thousand years ago, and immediately put elected officials on trial after their stint in office ends (even if they are elected for another term). We could scrutinize their doings and pass judgement on them, according to the laws we all agreed to follow, that should keep them on their toes.

Bill passes and .... (4, Funny)

codepigeon (1202896) | about a year ago | (#44234347)

The Bill passes and...the park is immediately closed due to budget cuts.

Tell you what though; I will be first in line to apply for the position of park ranger for this one.

Re:Bill passes and .... (1)

EzInKy (115248) | about a year ago | (#44234733)

Only privatization can fix that problem.

Re:Bill passes and .... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44235263)

No you won't, mendax already but you to it. :(

Jurisdiction? (2)

jcr (53032) | about a year ago | (#44234403)

None? Nothing to see here. More idiot legislators trying to get attention.

-jcr

Luna Park (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44234407)

That's one small step for a man, and Just Do It. Nike. http://i.imgur.com/Nqw1FbP.jpg

I certainly hope (4, Insightful)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about a year ago | (#44234421)

That they come up with an original name [nps.gov] ...

Cart Before Horse (1)

Anonymatt (1272506) | about a year ago | (#44234435)

Or I guess putting the rocket before the capsule.

Fantastic (2)

pesho (843750) | about a year ago | (#44234443)

No that they have taken care of the celestial matters, perhaps they will find some time for actually running the country. Banal earthly matters such as the farm bill apparently requires some attention.

Everyone is entitled to hallucinate (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44234463)

I am half drunk and watching Despicable me to get ideas how to steal the moon before the lunatics make it a parking lot.

Re:Everyone is entitled to hallucinate (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44234541)

I'll see you on the dark side of the moon. [wikipedia.org]

"I can't think of anything to say except...
I think it's marvellous! HaHaHa!"

Where the lander is now... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44234473)

Everyone knows the landers aren't there any more. The Nazis stole them.

Is the Moon made of crack? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44234513)

It sounds like Congress got ahold of some samples and smoked 'em. First, it's not even US territory. There are treaties against that kind of thing. Since a prerequisite for a national park is that it be... umm... NATIONAL, that's a non-starter right there, right? Next, even if it were our sovereign territory, it's not like there's a real problem with guys going up there and leaving beer cans and cigarette butts. Finally, how about doing something about the situation in are actual national parks where Mexican cartels are stealing water for illegal pot grows? Of course we could just legalize pot and fix that; but if you're not going to do that, at least have the common sense to protect the territory you already control. I think some returning Iraq and Afghan vets would jump at the chance to protect that territory in exchange for a land-lease where they could park a trailer or something.

Really (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44234515)

Really they have nothing better to fight and work out..... This is on the list or important things they need to worry about?

No, that's not what happened. (0)

NotSoHeavyD3 (1400425) | about a year ago | (#44234523)

Here's the real headline "Dems find Ted Kennedy's legendary secret stash of booze, get totally plastered."

US leaves junk scattered about the solar system (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44234531)

If it were anybody else leaving their trash scattered about it would be littering, but if the US can't be arsed to clean up after themselves they declare the dumping grounds -- even outside their country -- "national" heritage parks. Screw that. You dump your junk on my lawn, I don't care where you're from, you'd damn well better clean it up, Senator Dumbass.

Better than Republicans attacking womens privates. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44234545)

Really. It is.

So... (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44234627)

Will there be whalers on the moon? And will they be carrying harpoons?

Becaue all other problems have been solved (1)

blindseer (891256) | about a year ago | (#44234685)

Yes, let's spend time in the House of Representatives debating a bill establishing an international landmark on the moon because we got nothing better to do.

We have not seen a federal budget passed in how long? Ten years I recall. We got federal agents selling guns to drug dealers. These drug dealers then shoot federal agents. The economy is crap. We've seen an ambassador and his security detail get murdered. Government employees are openly lying to Congress and keep their jobs instead of ending up in jail. The Department of Education is spending money on shotguns instead of educating children. These same children end up dead because murders walked into the invisible force field of a "gun free zone" that Congress erected. (Hey Congress! How about you give some of those shotguns to some school security volunteers!) Cities get flooded and bridges fall into rivers because Congress can't seem to find the time to maintain basic infrastructure. We got entire cities getting burned up from forest fires. I could go on and on.

Don't think I'm just giving Democrats a hard time, Republicans share the blame. With all the crap going on right now why would anyone even think of bringing up declaring a national park on the fucking moon?

Wait... I just answered my own question. They bring this up to try to distract from all the shit happening right now. Much of this is from their own action or inaction, the rest of the shit they just make worse.

I'm reminded of a stupid joke...
If pro is the opposite of con then what is the opposite of progress? Congress.

Re:Becaue all other problems have been solved (1)

EzInKy (115248) | about a year ago | (#44234753)

It will take at least a generation for the "old guard" to die off. After you and your friends have all died off Congress will come together and be able to act in unison.

Is this what they worry about in Washington? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44234775)

It is somewhat discomforting to know that while we (Americans) are in the midst of war, economic troubles, and the possibility that our government has overthrown itself, THIS is what people think is important. Let's spend trillions of dollars putting people on Mars and the Moon. THAT'S THE ANSWER TO OUR TROUBLES! PROBLEMS SOLVED!

From the lookout-for-the-landmines dept (2)

gumpish (682245) | about a year ago | (#44234819)

The park would be comprised of all artifacts left on the surface of the moon from the Apollo 11 through 17 missions.

Including bags of astronaut shit? [youtube.com] Yeah, it just wouldn't be the same if someone cleaned those up...

The real reason... (1, Troll)

Starteck81 (917280) | about a year ago | (#44234861)

The real reason they want to make a park on the moon is so they can setup a gun free zone that actually has zero crime.

Not a National park, but International (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44234869)

They should be declared International Parks ... especially Tranquility Base. "One step for (a) man, one giant leap for all mankind". Yes, we planted the American flag at Tranquility Base, but it's a victory for all mankind.

From Nitwittia (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44234875)

More silliness from Nitwittia.

Passport Stamp (2)

turtle graphics (1083489) | about a year ago | (#44234919)

Travel geeks would kill for that NPS passport book stamp!

ya snooze ya lose (1)

drknowster (946686) | about a year ago | (#44234927)

didn't you guys plant a flag there?

It should be an International Park, not National (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44234935)

They should be declared International Parks ... especially Tranquility Base. "One small step for (a) man, one giant leap for all mankind". Yes, we planted the American flag at Tranquility Base, but it's a victory for all mankind.

Par for the course (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44234945)

In the 1960's the Democrats fell all over themselves to sign an international treaty that says, essentially "nobody can own anything in space" at a time when the US is the only nation with the demonstrated ability to go to any place in space that has the potential to be owned (because they insist that the whole world will like us better if we do this). They're like terrible Sally Fields impersonators... "you like me... you really like me..." always insisting the US must do things to make everybody like us no matter whether the actions will have long term negative effects (like in this case making most commercial activity that might otherwise happen in space either illegal or legally dubious)

Then, years later, they propose doing things in direct contradiction to their earlier political/P.R. stunt.... as a new stunt

News flash: Since nobody can own anything on the moon (thanks to that stupid Democrat treaty) we do not own the lunar landing sites on the moon and cannot make them "national parks"... and since nobody owns the moon, nobody can give the UN control over it either (you can only give somebody something if you own it in the first place...), so it cannot become a "world heritage site", which is a stupid idea anyway given that it is decidedly off-world. Furthermore, since Obama has declared that we will not return to the moon and doing so would be dumb, we are in no position to [a] place anything there to mark a "park", [b] detect anybody violating the "park", or [3] enforce anything.

Nice play, dimwits... how about doing something to get the government boot off the necks of small businesses so we can get some job growth...

Re:Par for the course (2)

Cenan (1892902) | about a year ago | (#44235305)

always insisting the US must do things to make everybody like us no matter whether the actions will have long term negative effects

The opposite of that is what spawns the terrorist boogeyman. You're deluding yourself if you think anything is done, that does not directly or indirectly put money in the pockets of those in power. Whatever people feel about the Americans as a nation, it is completely of your own doing, and invoking long term negative consequences as a boogeyman works both ways. The only significant difference in either school of thought is when the negative consequences manifest themselves, stop doing shit for profit all the time and you might actually see an improvement. That being said, this proposal is beyond stupid, in that we can agree.

More and More.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44234995)

I wish the Chinese giant will wake up and scare the US back into whatever rock they crawled from under. You people certainly aren't fit to be a superpower.

Lol (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44234999)

Now anyone can see how stupid Democrats are. Next they will want a national park for the deepest part of the ocean. Then again, at least its a bill that dose not have negative effect like most of the things they pass, so I don't mind if they keep wasting time on stuff like this.

Re:Lol (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44235345)

For an outsider (non-american), the differences between dems and reps are marginal. But rest assured that the entire cast of politicians, no matter in what country you look, consists of lunatics and crooks only.

$5B ticket ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44235211)

I guess a plane ticket to the moon (someday) will cost around $5 billions dollars?
write me down for a couple tix !!

Are you kidding me ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44235325)

With the deep sh*t that the US is in financially, could it be that they have nothing better to do than come up with something like this ?

Unbelievable....

Only you can prevent forest fires. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44235337)

Provided the Russians let you up there.

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