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Spanish Chatbot Hunts For Pedophiles

timothy posted about a year ago | from the how-do-you-feel-about-justin-bieber dept.

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cylonlover writes "For a number of years now, police forces around the world have enlisted officers to pose as kids in online chat rooms, in an attempt to draw out pedophiles and track them down. Researchers at Spain's University of Deusto are now hoping to free those cops up for other duties, and to catch more offenders, via a chatbot that they've created. Its name is Negobot, and it plays the part of a 14 year-old girl." (Read the original source, in Spanish).

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Hold on let me get some popcorn (-1, Offtopic)

Esion Modnar (632431) | about a year ago | (#44249215)

This promises to be full of win.

So they're breaking young boys hearts.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44249225)

...and the spanish girls will have to start being even more slutty to compete with the slutbots.

Re:So they're breaking young boys hearts.. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44249287)

...and the spanish girls will have to start being even more slutty to compete with the slutbots.

But your honor, I was NOT engaging in pedophile behavior! See, I am really into sex bots! I KNEW it was a script and I get off on them!'

wonderful idea! (3, Funny)

Tastecicles (1153671) | about a year ago | (#44249229)

What could possibly go wrong?

Re:wonderful idea! (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44249263)

What happens if two chatbots start chatting each other up? Do they both get arrested?

Re:wonderful idea! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44249317)

What happens if two chatbots start chatting each other up? Do they both get arrested?

Only if they send each other photos of their source code.

Re:wonderful idea! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44249503)

What happens if two chatbots start chatting each other up? Do they both get arrested?

Only if they send each other photos of their source code.

Uncommented source code.

Re:wonderful idea! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44249591)

What happens if two chatbots start chatting each other up? Do they both get arrested?

Only if they send each other photos of their source code.

Uncommented source code.

Only if the source code is still beta.

Re:wonderful idea! (3, Insightful)

Tastecicles (1153671) | about a year ago | (#44249549)

GOTO statements make me wet.

Re:wonderful idea! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44249669)

It's the taboo, isn't it?

Re:wonderful idea! (3, Funny)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | about a year ago | (#44249785)

GOTO statements make me wet.

Seize the opportunity, reprogram your sprinkler system in Haskell!

Re:wonderful idea! (2)

Tastecicles (1153671) | about a year ago | (#44249887)

Giggity!

Re:wonderful idea! (2)

operagost (62405) | about a year ago | (#44250213)

Wait until you try Intercal's version.

Re:wonderful idea! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44249581)

Assuming their version number is less than 18.

Re:wonderful idea! (2)

Megane (129182) | about a year ago | (#44250097)

I think you mean if they send each other their raw repository dumps. gig-git-y

Re:wonderful idea! (2)

cant_get_a_good_nick (172131) | about a year ago | (#44250413)

What happens if two chatbots start chatting each other up? Do they both get arrested?

One of my favorite "bots" was a reverse bot. It would troll on AIM, pretending to be a 16 yr old girl, usually very quickly getting a horny teen male. Then it would it a second time, netting a second horny teen male. Then it would pair them up, both assuming they're talking to a girl.. Then after some awkward teen male sexting (before it was a term) it wasn't too long until "FAGGGGG" was shouted and heterosexuality challenged.

Then there's AOLiza. which hooked Eliza to AIM. Sadly, the chats have been taken down, some were pretty good.

Re:wonderful idea! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44249339)

Well... EU high level official's head will start to roll, that is for starters...

Re:wonderful idea! (3, Funny)

FatLittleMonkey (1341387) | about a year ago | (#44249455)

What could possibly go wrong?

Are such questions on your mind often?

Re:wonderful idea! (1)

syntheticmemory (1232092) | about a year ago | (#44249579)

What could possibly go wrong?

Hal 6000 trained her.

Re:wonderful idea! (1)

1s44c (552956) | about a year ago | (#44250051)

Pedantic point - It's HAL 9000.

HAL 9000 was driven mad by the contradictory instructions from its management. There is a lesson for us all in there.

What does "porque cae agua jaja" mean? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44249235)

eof

Re:What does "porque cae agua jaja" mean? (3, Funny)

Thanshin (1188877) | about a year ago | (#44249279)

http://translate.google.com/ [google.com]

Let me present you this new technology. It's called "The Internet". You can use it to look for answers to all your questions*.

*: For a fully immersive experience, all your questions should start with "nude pics of "

Re:What does "porque cae agua jaja" mean? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44249573)

Let me present you with this new concept. It's called a "douchebag" and you are doing a remarkable job of being one, you passive-agressive faggot.

Re:What does "porque cae agua jaja" mean? (1)

Kjella (173770) | about a year ago | (#44249575)

*: For a fully incarcerated experience, all your questions should start with "nude pics of "

Given the topic, FTFY.

Re:What does "porque cae agua jaja" mean? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44249659)

"Religion is the anthropomorphization of reality, that behind it all there's an invisible man pulling invisible strings."

Dear Homo,

I've met second graders who have a more sophisticated grasp of "religion" than you do.

Your "definition" completely excludes anything resembling pantheism, which basically means you "definiton" excludes most of the world's religion.

I hope your faggy sig makes you happy in some way, because all it does to the outside observer is illustrate what a imbecilic fucktard you are.

Re:What does "porque cae agua jaja" mean? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44249777)

Lel at the bravery modding this as Flamebait. Go back to /r/atheism you fedorawearing neckbearded "scientists"

Re:What does "porque cae agua jaja" mean? (1)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | about a year ago | (#44249847)

Your "definition" completely excludes anything resembling pantheism, which basically means you "definiton" excludes most of the world's religion.

Obviously, pantyism revolvers around worshipping something completely else.

Re:What does "porque cae agua jaja" mean? (-1, Flamebait)

1s44c (552956) | about a year ago | (#44250023)

Flaming someone for their sig, really?

You sound like a Christian fundamentalist nut-job, maybe the invisible man pulling your invisible strings just pulled too hard.

Re:What does "porque cae agua jaja" mean? (1)

operagost (62405) | about a year ago | (#44250301)

Yeah... a Christian fundamentalist is going to complain about pantheism not being respected. Definitely.

Re:What does "porque cae agua jaja" mean? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44250411)

google says because water falls - is someone taking the piss?

Re:What does "porque cae agua jaja" mean? (1)

sageres (561626) | about a year ago | (#44250415)

This technology does not do good enough translation because the output is a gibberish. Someone who is a native Spanish speaker would be able to tell exactly what "because water falls "jaja"" means. Direct and indirect meanings, whatever it might mean.
1. The speaker could be talking about a waterfall
2. The speaker could be talking about a play
3. The speaker could be hinting on something sexual.

In this small context we do not know, especially since "jaja" is not in a standard dictionary but most likely is a cultural reference, and pneumatically we can only guess what it means. (btw, could it be jojo and the guy than saying that water falls up and down?)
and yes I agree with the poster above -- you are being a troll here.

Re: What does "porque cae agua jaja" mean? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44250549)

jajajajajajaja XDDDDDD

Re:What does "porque cae agua jaja" mean? (1)

omnichad (1198475) | about a year ago | (#44250675)

Even Google Translate knows that "jaja" is "haha." I think we can safely assume that the phrase, taken out of context, is someone giving the punchline to a joke.

Re:What does "porque cae agua jaja" mean? (2)

AliasBackslash (2719011) | about a year ago | (#44250381)

"Because water falls haha"
I can't imagine what the question that prompted that answer was and given the topic I'm not sure I want to know.
The previous chat line just says "Know why it seems that way?"

3 laws (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44249243)

If you are a robot you have to tell me...

Re: Liar! (1)

FatLittleMonkey (1341387) | about a year ago | (#44249343)

Unless doing so would harm you, or cause harm to come to you.

Hey, great.... finally an AI... (3)

Tanuki64 (989726) | about a year ago | (#44249259)

...which passes the Turing test.

Re:Hey, great.... finally an AI... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44249493)

LOL, a Turing test designed to persecute people for expressing their socially unacceptable sexuality? Alan would have a fit.

Re:Hey, great.... finally an AI... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44249569)

Fuck off pervert.

Re:Hey, great.... finally an AI... (4, Funny)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | about a year ago | (#44249897)

Not to mention the fact that a 14 year old girl would have absolutely no chance of passing the Turing test.

Re:Hey, great.... finally an AI... (0)

Nimey (114278) | about a year ago | (#44250637)

/thread

Re:Hey, great.... finally an AI... (1)

Cenan (1892902) | about a year ago | (#44250087)

Technically, they're trying to prosecute people living out their socially unacceptable sexuality. Though, instead of wasting resources doing that, why not just market the damn thing to lonely pedophiles instead, they can chat up 14 year old digital girls, and our kids won't have to be bothered by it, win-win.

Re:Hey, great.... finally an AI... (1)

operagost (62405) | about a year ago | (#44250233)

I'm not sure that would work. There are already Japanese dating games, but we still have pedos.

Re:Hey, great.... finally an AI... (4, Informative)

xaxa (988988) | about a year ago | (#44250177)

I knew I'd read somewhere about Spain's age of consent being 12.

It turns out they raised it to 16 just a few weeks ago: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/spain/10089339/Spain-to-raise-age-of-consent-from-13-to-16.html [telegraph.co.uk]

Hopefully they'll be more careful about the law than is the case in the UK -- where the age of consent is 16, but the official guidance to the police is not to worry about consensual relationships between similarly-aged teenagers below that. It's better to have that in the law, like in Germany (where, AIUI, lower ages are permitted so long as there's not too much age difference).

Re:Hey, great.... finally an AI... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44249541)

Well there's the problem. Most 14 year olds don't pass the Turing test.

Re:Hey, great.... finally an AI... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44250283)

I have long suspected that the internet is itself the most thorough Turing test ever conceived.

Re:Hey, great.... finally an AI... (1)

sootman (158191) | about a year ago | (#44250679)

It's actually not that great. It just says 'OMG' and then like 15 emoji.

Double edged sword (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44249261)

What if others create bots posing as pedophiles? Can anyone be prosecuted for doing so?
The real ones would then disappear in the noise.

Such police bots cannot catch bad guys, just will direct them to other places where is is harder to catch them.

Vajk

Re:Double edged sword (1)

Cenan (1892902) | about a year ago | (#44250117)

I'm sure the reverse engineering effort will be under way shortly, filling up kiddy pron hangouts with lists of phrases to throw at the bots to verify that it's a bot. Compared to actual hackers, kiddy wankers seem to be alot more concious about their own security.

Re:Double edged sword (2)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | about a year ago | (#44250309)

If they make the bot good enough it'll become too hard to tell a kid from a bot with enough certainty for a pedo to be sure they're not walking into a police trap by meeting with the kid...in which case, mission accomplished.

Robot/robot match (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44249271)

It's going to be very interesting to watch the pedophile robots chat with the girl robots. Wait, this is not the first time I've seen poetry written that way.

Oh great... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44249327)

Man.. this bot is going to get laid more than I do, and it's specifically designed to NOT get laid..

Re:Oh great... (3, Funny)

DarkRat (1302849) | about a year ago | (#44250269)

so are you ;)

Great work, but... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44249329)

unfortunately, in Spain the "undercover agent" is illegal. So, either this bot created at Deusto University (my university, btw) or Flu Ad are great projects that can not be used by Spanish police.

Flu AD is an open source Trojan software designed to infect computers used by pedophiles. It succeeded at least in one case in South America (I don't have the details) and have been studied by Spanish police.
More on Flu AD:
- http://www.slideshare.net/rootedcon/juan-a-calles-y-pablo-gonzlez-metasploit-fluad-avoiding-avs-with-payloadsdlls-injection-rooted-con-2013
- http://www.flu-project.com/

At the same time, Spanish goverment has a project to legalize Trojans in the investigation of serious criminal cases.

regards,

Where can I get one of these 14 y.o bots? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44249379)

Where can I get one of these 14 y.o bots?

For scientific purposes, I assure you.

(Is it illegal to write a chatbot that simulates a 14 y.o?)

Re:Where can I get one of these 14 y.o bots? (1)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | about a year ago | (#44250353)

(Is it illegal to write a chatbot that simulates a 14 y.o?)

Some countries already have laws about animated stuff and written erotic fiction...

Meh (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44249415)

I still like my solution better. We start beheading pedophiles with a guillotine. On pay per view.

Why?

Highly entertaining. Imagine to catch a predator and at the end they wheel out the big blade.. Hey we caught you red handed here! And now it's time for your exit.. Any final words?
Yeah. People would watch the shit out of that.

Profitable. $50 an episode! People would pay that. Millions of them.

It's cheap! No courts, no lawyers, no judges, no guards or prisons involved.

0% recidivism rate. You chop someones head off.. chances are they won't be doing that crime again. (if they do you've got some real serious problems other than pedophiles.)

Re:Meh (3, Insightful)

3.5 stripes (578410) | about a year ago | (#44249469)

Pity only a small fraction of pedophiles are out looking on the internet. That and the fact that if the penalties are higher, people will do more to hide their crimes, like instead of threatening their victims, they'll lock them up in a basement, or fit them with some cement shoes for a quick dip in the local river.

Re:Meh (2)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | about a year ago | (#44249673)

I think the pedo laws are completely out of hand, but the idea that severe penalties will cause molesters to kill their victims is bogus. The kind of person who murders is already sociopathic enough that any amount of penalty is going to be enough to justify murdering their victim. Even if there was absolutely no legal penalty they would still have to worry about parents going vigilante on them.

Re:Meh (1)

s0nicfreak (615390) | about a year ago | (#44249899)

Pity that people attracted to 14 year olds are not pedodophiles, and they think they will catch pedophiles like this.

Re: Meh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44249975)

And you know this how...? Oh, you're a bot too! Clever!

Re: Meh (1)

pla (258480) | about a year ago | (#44250605)

And you know this how...?

Because he has a grasp of the English language that extends beyond calling every gun an "assault rifle", every worthless punk a "terrorist", every deadbeat a "victim of poor credit", and everyone who disagrees with him "faaaaaags"?

Going after 14YOs would make someone an ephebophile, not a pedo.

/ Read a book!

Re:Meh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44249483)

Then later on you find that they were wrongly accused.

Re:Meh (1)

Sparticus789 (2625955) | about a year ago | (#44249597)

Did someone watch Death Race last night?

Re:Meh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44249811)

Or Running Man

Re:Meh (1)

1s44c (552956) | about a year ago | (#44249939)

This suffers from the usual problems. You need something like a balanced court process to be really sure the person you find really is guilty, and that means letting some 80% sure cases walk free. Also you can't make amends if you find out you killed the wrong person.

14 years would be legal age in Germany.... (5, Informative)

yooy (1146753) | about a year ago | (#44249423)

14 years would be legal age in Germany.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Europe [wikipedia.org] And if I can trust the link, it is 13 in Spain...

Re:14 years would be legal age in Germany.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44249611)

According to that link, 14 can be legal in Spain too.

"The ages of consent vary by jurisdiction across Europe. Spain (age 13) has the lowest age limit, while Malta and Turkey are at the highest end (both age 18)."

Re:14 years would be legal age in Germany.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44249741)

There is an explicit mention of "taking advantage of an exploitative situation", which includes predators using online seduction (and pretty much anything that the minor would complain about). "Legal age", in this case, does not mean a sexual predator wouldn't face jail when caught chatting up a kid online.

Re:14 years would be legal age in Germany.... (1)

yooy (1146753) | about a year ago | (#44249981)

Online "seduction" would not be "taking advantage of an exploitative situation". This limitation is more for teacher pupil relationship and other situations were is a significant power discrepancy (not cause by age difference alone).

14 year old? (5, Insightful)

Zedrick (764028) | about a year ago | (#44249435)

How will the bot catch pedophiles if it pretends to be a 14 year old girls? Pedophiles won't be very interested, instead it might, in best/worst case, attract hebephiles. Or just normal teenage boys.

Re:14 year old? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44249649)

What if pedophiles write a bot that seduces the spanish police bot and gets it arrested? Huh? HUH?!

As it should be (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44250045)

Since biologically we're programmed to want sex at 12/13 (when puberty kicks in), this 'fear of sex' is a religious thing more than anything.

Florida has been arresting 14 year olds for sexting their 14 year old boyfriends, IMHO, the NSA should stop spying on 14 years old sexting each other and its a perfectly normal part of growing up to be interested in sex. No more than 'I'll show you mine if you show me yours".

Spain? (3, Insightful)

IamTheRealMike (537420) | about a year ago | (#44249439)

Age of consent in Spain is 13 though they plan to raise it [telegraph.co.uk] . Seems like a 14 year old is an odd choice to emulate for that reason.

That said, an AI capable of simulating a 14 year old girl? Hard to imagine they could even simulate a 5 year old successfully. This doesn't seem like a good use of a universities resources.

Re:Spain? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44249947)

The law needs to reflect our unwritten social code. a 13 year old and a 15 year old, that's probably reasonable by our social code. A 13 and a 39 year old, totally unacceptable. How about 15 and 18? That's illegal in nearly all of the US for example, but it happens pretty often.

In response to a vocal minority that believes that no one should have sex before they are 18. I guess you can try to shelter your children through their teenage years, but part of adolescence is about learning to make decisions and accept the consequences themselves. (not that adults are making good decisions or are behaving in a mature responsible manner. but they do bear the responsibily for their decisions, mostly. although that is probably going away in the future)

Re:Spain? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44250069)

Puberty is natures way of telling you that you are ready for sex.

Where men are men, women are men and... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44249479)

14 year old girls are chat bots? The times, they are a changing.

Got it! (1)

psholty2 (2696677) | about a year ago | (#44249485)

13 year old girl - FBI
14 year old girl - Spanish inquisition, I mean police.

a/s/l? (4, Funny)

FatLittleMonkey (1341387) | about a year ago | (#44249495)

version/language/repository?

Re:a/s/l? (1)

1s44c (552956) | about a year ago | (#44249871)

Assembler/Script/Language?

Ok, it's not funny but I tried.

Re:a/s/l? (1)

Calydor (739835) | about a year ago | (#44250517)

About/Settings/LAN?

Re:a/s/l? (1)

Nimey (114278) | about a year ago | (#44250661)

1.03rc1/Brainfuck/RCS

Next (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44249507)

Next: Pedophiles will educate themselves about Turing tests, in order to defeat the chatbots.

Next: Anyone who informs himself about Turing tests will become suspect of being pedophile.

Only usable in some jurisdictions (4, Interesting)

johanw (1001493) | about a year ago | (#44249653)

Fortunately, entrapment is illegal in a lot of countries. And "intent" is not always what counts. I read that that in The Netherlands someone who was having sexually oriented chats with a police officer posing as a child was cleared in court. The judge said that because the police officer was over 18 he did nothing illegal, and that he may have intended something illegal didn't make it so.

To make the car comparison: if I intend to drive too fast and believe I do so dus to a defective meter but in fact I am driving at a legal speed I can't get a ticket.

Re:Only usable in some jurisdictions (3, Insightful)

Xest (935314) | about a year ago | (#44250157)

This is what I was wondering, doesn't this sort of thing risk giving real criminals an excuse too?

If intent is relevant then with the prevalence of police officers posing in this manner and now bots, couldn't a real criminal just claim "I assumed nowadays that they were all just chatbots or above age of consent officers" if caught chatting to someone who is underage?

It seems to be a dangerous precedent to set. If the police have to prove intent how can they prove he didn't now believe it was a bot or an officer and hence not illegal?

Re:Only usable in some jurisdictions (1)

operagost (62405) | about a year ago | (#44250265)

In the USA, it would only be entrapment if the bot brings up the topic of sex on its own.

Wait a minute... (1)

saturnianjourneyman (2913341) | about a year ago | (#44249665)

I thought 14 was the age of consent in Spain. Juanita... come in here. I have to ask you something...

This story is full of LOL (1)

1s44c (552956) | about a year ago | (#44249839)

Just wait until these slut-bots start falling to buffer overflows, SQL or shell injection attacks, or whatever.

Should of called it "Joshua"! (2)

SGDarkKnight (253157) | about a year ago | (#44249935)

Shall we play a game?

Re:Should of called it "Joshua"! (1)

1s44c (552956) | about a year ago | (#44250089)

Shall we play a game?

"What a strange game, the only winning move is not to play." - Or something like that, it's been a while since I saw that film.

Robots are sexy? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44249997)

So if we use the same tactics for prostitution...? (rather than an undercover cop acting as a hooker, put a robot)

I really don't get it. I mean, let's end the pedo-war once and for all, if possible, but I see it as something that isn't possible. Pedophiles have been around for a long time, and many simply lie in wait, if ever acting on the impulse anyway.

When I was 14, I'd have been all about chatting-to-fuck some older ladies. However, since I was 14 when the internet was non-existent, I stuck with fantasizing about my friends' moms'. Had I the internet, I'd have been all about hooking up with older chicks.

...oh wait, this is about 14 yo girls.

Re:Robots are sexy? (1)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | about a year ago | (#44250403)

So if we use the same tactics for prostitution...? (rather than an undercover cop acting as a hooker, put a robot)

You bet your ass it'll happen when they get cheap and realistic enough. Hey maybe when there are "fully-featured" fembots they'll actually let the john go through with the act and wait until he hands over the money to call in the raid so the case will be bulletproof.

website name (1)

andrewa (18630) | about a year ago | (#44250073)

for a moment there i mispronounced the name of the magazine as "jizzmag" and thought that it was rather inappropriate....

Spanish Police APB (2)

rlp (11898) | about a year ago | (#44250251)

Spanish police have an APB out for suspects named 'Eliza', 'Perry', and 'A.L.I.C.E.'

13 year olds are not chatbots? (1)

TheCarp (96830) | about a year ago | (#44250333)

âoeChatbots tend to be very predictable. Their behavior and interest in a conversation are flat, which is a problem when attempting to detect untrustworthy targets like pedophilesâ

Maybe I am a bit jaded from recent experience but...

After spending some time this weekend trying to play an online video game with a relative of that age, I have trouble seeing the problem. Trying to explain to him how what he was doing in game was ruining the fun for my wife and I reminded me quite a bit of talking to a chatbot (it was every bit as effective)

Welcome to the Internet (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44250339)

Where the men are men, the women are men, and the children are AIs run by FBI agents.

If it's posing as a 14 year old, (4, Insightful)

middlehead (2980489) | about a year ago | (#44250555)

If it's posing as a 14 year old, they're not targeting pedophiles.

Where's the victim? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44250645)

Who's the victim in this?

Or do automated programs now constitute as people?

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