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Linux 3.11 Features Fall Into Place With Merge Window

timothy posted 1 year,15 days | from the get-your-windows-joke-launchers-ready! dept.

Operating Systems 70

hypnosec writes "The Linux 3.11 merge window is about to close, most probably this Sunday, and most of the pull requests have been merged, including feature additions and improvements to disk & file system, CPU, graphics and other hardware. Some notable merges are: LZ4 compression; Zswap for compressed swap caching; inclusion of a Lustre file-system client for the first time; Dynamic Power Management (DPM) support for R600 GPUs; KVM and Xen virtualization on 64-bit hardware (AArch64); and a new DRM (Direct Rendering Manager) driver for the Renesas R-Car SoC."

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70 comments

Holding out for... (3, Funny)

recoiledsnake (879048) | 1 year,15 days | (#44266337)

Holding out for Linux 3.11 for workgroups.

Re:Holding out for... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#44266373)

Doing the Samba while you wait?

Heard it from Linus first (5, Informative)

tuppe666 (904118) | 1 year,15 days | (#44266565)

Re:Heard it from Linus first (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#44268975)

Believe it or not, you can still download Windows 3.11 on MSDN.
Someone should do a review to see if 2013 is the year of Linux on the desktop.

Re:Holding out for... (3, Funny)

RebelWebmaster (628941) | 1 year,15 days | (#44266821)

Meh, I'm holding out for Linux 95 personally.

Re:Holding out for... (4, Informative)

DarthBart (640519) | 1 year,15 days | (#44267697)

I'm holding out for Firefox 98.

At this rate, it'll be sometime next week.

Re:Holding out for... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44269117)

I heard Firefox 98SE will be better, you might want to hold out for that instead.

Re:Holding out for... (2)

RDW (41497) | 1 year,14 days | (#44270661)

I heard Firefox 98SE will be better, you might want to hold out for that instead.

We're going to skip 98 altogether and upgrade to Firefox 2000 in September.

Re:Holding out for... (1)

hcs_$reboot (1536101) | 1 year,15 days | (#44268355)

Amazing how that "3.11" remains in everyone's memory. Personally, not so good memories in fact...
I'll probably prefer the coming Linux 3.14 ...

Re:Holding out for... (1)

divide overflow (599608) | 1 year,15 days | (#44268383)

I'll probably prefer the coming Linux 3.14 ...

I suggest we call it "Pinux".... :)

Re:Holding out for... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#44268479)

Indeed.

Progman.exe has performed an illegal operation and will be shut down

Cancel / Ignore / Ok

WTF?

Re:Holding out for... (1)

Barsteward (969998) | 1 year,14 days | (#44270535)

probably due to the aged slashdotters.......

Re: Holding out for... (1)

nbritton (823086) | 1 year,14 days | (#44269453)

Personally I'm holding out for Linux Me

Re:Holding out for... (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44269597)

Holding out for Linux 3.11 for workgroups.

No matter what may come to shine, this dream will always be mine.

Linux 3.11 feature list

  * Has changed a lot and then some, some
  * Has always been down, down
  * A wicked and wild
  * A funky style that that gets us known for the show
  * Will mix the hip hop reggae if we say it is so

Installation instructions:

  * You've got to trust your instinct and let go of regret

GNUs are for pussies!

Re: Holding out for... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44275367)

Excellent! lol.

Holding out for... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#44266359)

hahaha. I was going to post the same thing.

FINALLY! (0, Redundant)

neuro88 (674248) | 1 year,15 days | (#44266443)

3.11, linux for workgroups!

And YES, we are going to see almost nothing but comments making variations of this joke.

Re:FINALLY! (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#44266485)

And that's about all you're going to see here, since most of the valuable contributors have abandoned this site and the people who are left are mostly trolls and shills.

Re:FINALLY! (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#44266629)

I'm still here. Though there's no incentive for me to take this place seriously anymore, they'll prevent any account(like mine) from posting if some bed-wetting estrogenous faggot or some stinky hairy bull-dyke's widdle feewings are hurt by cogent comments which expose and codify the cruelty of life.

  It was a nice run while it lasted, though, I'm sure I was the first if not the only motherfucker to go from excellent to terrible karma, then back up again ad-nauseum. Shit, son, what else can anybody do here for entertainment besides troll?

-- Ethanol-fueled

Re:FINALLY! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#44267549)

Aww, someone thinks the world gives a fuck about anything he says. How cute!

Re:FINALLY! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#44267927)

And you're living proof he was right thinking that.

Re:FINALLY! (1)

maxwell demon (590494) | 1 year,15 days | (#44268413)

Hey, Mr. Anonymous Coward, stop talking to yourself!

Re:FINALLY! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#44266933)

Shills my ass. All that's left is turds that didn't make anything out of linux, like you! ahahaaha.

Re:FINALLY! (0)

FatdogHaiku (978357) | 1 year,15 days | (#44267387)

I, for one, resent the fact that you completely omitted ass-hats!

When you put on the nose,
It grows and grows.

But when you put on the hat,
Well fuck, that's that!

In any case we're all Bozos on this bus.

In case you don't get the last bit, these dudes were talking about computer controlled interactive holograms in a 1971 comedy album... [wikipedia.org]

Re:FINALLY! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#44267873)

Jesus this is so sadly true. Every fucking article coming up to this release has had the same dumbass WfW "jokes" and nothing else of substance. Oh, and the obligatory "Why is DRM coming to teh linuxxx? I thought we hate DRM!"

Re:FINALLY! (1)

Iskender (1040286) | 1 year,15 days | (#44266501)

And YES, we are going to see almost nothing but comments making variations of this joke.

Indeed. Linux 3.11 is a colourful clown suit for Unix.

Re:FINALLY! (0)

HUIDA GAMAL (2981923) | 1 year,15 days | (#44266615)

[nile7.com] [nile7.com]

Surprising (5, Insightful)

WhatAreYouDoingHere (2458602) | 1 year,15 days | (#44266477)

and a new DRM (Direct Rendering Manager) driver for the Renesas R-Car SoC

I'm surprised the Slashdot headline didn't read "DRM Coming to Linux" or some other such nonsense. :-)

Re:Surprising (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#44266609)

They're both kinds of managers. I don't need to know anything but that. Down with ALL forms of DRM! Free yourselves from the oppression of direct rendering management!

Re:Surprising (1)

Opyros (1153335) | 1 year,15 days | (#44266755)

In the past, the summary has usually just mentioned "DRM" without specifying what it stood for. Someone was nearly always trolled, too. I was surprised to see Slashdot has finally started disambiguating the initialism.

Re:Surprising (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#44266955)

Don't give them ideas....

Re:Surprising (1)

Alsee (515537) | 1 year,15 days | (#44268877)

I wish they'd just rename the damn thing. I cringe every time I see the initialism DRM.

-

Re:Surprising (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44269439)

Leave that for April 1st.

Re:Surprising (1)

rdnetto (955205) | 1 year,12 days | (#44292261)

You think the editors read the summaries? You must be new here...

Better wait for... (1)

aXi (6533) | 1 year,15 days | (#44266489)

The linux for workgroups 32bit extension. Then you get the real power of the system.

Re:Better wait for... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#44266723)

I have a math co-processor, is Linux 3,11 for me?

Re:Better wait for... (1)

maxwell demon (590494) | 1 year,15 days | (#44268417)

I'm going to use it under LinOS/2.

Radeon DPM (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#44266585)

The Radeon DPM is for more than R600, I've got it working on my souther islands card easily.

Haw haw haw (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#44266597)

They looking to engulf some giant ass windows cock? seems like they're baitin' for it.

Eat it (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#44266643)

You little gdb pussies oh yeah 3

sub 300? (-1, Offtopic)

gl4ss (559668) | 1 year,15 days | (#44266655)

around here 299.9 euros or less means either a chromebook(at 299.9) or 10.1 netbook with windows starter edition.

and getting beat by those is pretty bad, actually. 350+ starts to have a bit more choice.

Re:sub 300? (1)

gl4ss (559668) | 1 year,15 days | (#44266661)

fck, wrong article.

Re:sub 300? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#44266689)

A classic troll technique. Pretend you posted to the wrong article.

Re:sub 300? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#44267205)

Really, pretending to post to the wrong article, and then posting as an AC pointing out that you're trolling?

That kind of trolling is so old it could vote.

Re:sub 300? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#44267945)

you're trying too hard

does linux spy yet? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#44267097)

serious question, everything else does nowadays

Re:does linux spy yet? (1)

fa2k (881632) | 1 year,15 days | (#44268599)

Linux itself doesn't spy on you. There is a lot of network code in the kernel, but there would be quite a debacle if it connected to anything on the internet by default.

As for desktop linux distros, there was a big story when Ubuntu started to send "local" search queries to Amazon. So you can expect that any more serious spying would get an even bigger objection. There is still potential for secret spying, but that is true for any system you don't build from scratch, and it's impossible to know. Fedora uploads crash dumps to their servers, but only on explicit request and with proper warning. When I still used it in F18 it connected to the network when you mis-typed a command (to try and find a package with that command), but I'm not sure if it actually sent the string you typed.

Linux distros may also connect to NTP servers and update servers by default, but there is no way for the servers to identify a specific host. If the government already knows your IP address, it can at best (worst) tell them when you were awake, but there are many other entities which are better positioned to give this information. Any application software can of course spy, and browsers do that unless customised

Re:does linux spy yet? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#44268853)

You are genious, cause that's like saying milk is white. You can only mix it with coffe, and try doing things without processing power. Anything got taken into some secret NSA technology, but not the files on your computer you don't share with the system - for that there is true crypt or any other type of crypting software, that uses virtualization, and even then, the problem can be there if eye of gnome or any other linux software would react to some real network destination, like your file would ever be in contact when not root. This genious method keeps the fridge working, and less problems to get some viruses. Other from that, if you download some software from local distro component, you believe those who maintain these distros - so they are random lobby coders, most of them respect privacy by giving all the code - only proretiary drivers and stuff that boosts GPU, CPU and other pheripherials are closed as we don't know if processing is spying on you or not? In fact first unixes didn't had paswords like a lot of modern linuxes today, and there was cryptation, so outsourced way of maintaining code as source or some other type of giving a way wasn't so popular, cause every environment in linux, was made in specific environment, and only modern day distros started using repositories for keeping everything in mainstreem. A lot of new projects in every OS seem buggy and not final, but there is already alternatives for doing absolutely everything - from servers to, file keeping. Not everyone cares about the privacy as the maintainers of those communities themselfs - just read what Ubuntu would ask from you, if they don't cache thumbnails to there servers, from your latest pictures or they don't really care what goes to Amazon servers. It's easy to disable anything in any linux system, but Ubunts keeps variaty of linux desktop versions, where you can really use any DE, WM or any working debian software, already in use. It's kinda already in stage where 12.04.02 with Unity is perfect as it comes clean, stable, gives some usable options, but keeps consistency in environment, allowing to take different technologies in one component, which is really what operating systems are all about. I don't see a reason why using linux in general is kinda problem, and giving Linux ability to work in weird Windows ways as workgroups is only one thing why it rocks in computing.

I think I will (-1, Offtopic)

rossdee (243626) | 1 year,15 days | (#44267303)

Wait for Linux 98 SE

Re: I think I will (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#44267583)

lin me is gonna be so much better

Motif window manager? (4, Interesting)

Blaskowicz (634489) | 1 year,15 days | (#44268179)

I remember learning Unix shell, compilation, basic C programming on X11 terminals (there were a couple hundreds of them) and something like Solaris 7. We were given an ugly login shell (black on white xterm), the motif window manager (mwm) and that's all.

It was funny as it really looked and acted like Windows 3.1, only without the program manager, file manager or control panel. It also had alt-f9 to minimize, alt-f10 to maximize, alt-f7 to move etc. which is really cool and still found on Gnome2/Mate and Xfce at least.
It was really fun trying to fo something useful in that environment, some guy had made a crude launcher (we had to walk into his home directory), I used aliases for e.g. launching a green on black xterm rxvt with nice font size and much bigger scroll buffer, we figured out how to have a background image on the "desktop".

I looked for it in vain on linux, tried to download Lesstif but it's only libraries and nothing else. Now maybe we'll be able to use it at last?, lol. I hope they open source mwm, along Motif and CDE.

It was also both minimalist (more so than say Fluxbox or jwm) and easy to use, unlike twm and myriads of "worse than Windows 3.1" window managers. One little issue was you lost everything when closing the login shell by accident (but you thus never get into a situation where all shell windows or all windows all closed and you can't open a new terminal)

Re:Motif window manager? (2)

shocking (55189) | 1 year,15 days | (#44268273)

Open Motif was opensourced quite a while ago, you find it as libmotif4 and mwm in most distros. CDE was opensourced last year - the sourceforge page is http://sourceforge.net/projects/cdesktopenv/ [sourceforge.net]

Re:Motif window manager? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#44268539)

I'm surprised no one bothers working on Wayland support...

Re:Motif window manager? (1)

Blaskowicz (634489) | 1 year,15 days | (#44268613)

Wow you're right, it's already in there! It was in the 'motif-clients' package, on ubuntu 12.04.
I had read Open Motif was open, but not quite open enough.

I'm now running it but it's not that good with too many firefox windows open.
For some reason firefox is "maximized" at 2048x1536 (my res is 1024x768 currently) while every other stuff I've tried maximizes fine. Funny non-sense bug.

Getting the menu to launch a terminal other than xterm was simple enough.
Now I need to find a user to martyrize by changing his session to this.

Re:Motif window manager? (1)

shocking (55189) | 1 year,15 days | (#44268677)

Changing a user's session to that? That's just cruel. I used CDE for a while on Sun workstations back in the late 90s, but ended up using fvwm on Linux, Gnome 2, KDE, icewm and now I'm an xfce bigot.

Re:Motif window manager? (1)

Duncan J Murray (1678632) | 1 year,15 days | (#44268289)

It also had alt-f9 to minimize, alt-f10 to maximize, alt-f7 to move etc. which is really cool and still found on Gnome2/Mate and Xfce at least.

How did I not know this???!

D

Re:Motif window manager? (1)

maxwell demon (590494) | 1 year,15 days | (#44268429)

basic C programming

Is that C programming with lots of gotos? :-)

Re:Motif window manager? (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | 1 year,14 days | (#44269141)

Motif looked and acted like Windows 3.0 because Microsoft was on the Motif WG. They gave input into Motif and then went forth and produced Windows and the two behaved the same (nominally) when it came to manipulating windows.

If you want something like mwm then run fvwm2. You don't have to use all of its features.

You can run a simple session manager from your .xinitrc (fvwm & ; xsm) so as not to have to fiddle with a shell.

Re:Motif window manager? (1)

Blaskowicz (634489) | 1 year,14 days | (#44271515)

Sure, I should investigate fvwm2, starting with a simple mwm clone configuration. I know it would give me support for things like maximized windows not covering a border area, or workspaces.

As for mwm, when installing and running it under ubuntu (here linux mint 13) it doesn't have that braindead login shell, instead it has a menu when right-clicking on the root window (wow!) with "New window" (launching a terminal), "Shuffle up", "Shuffle down", "Restart" and "Quit". Thanks a lot for the suggestion still.
xsm is awesome in a hilarious bad way, what do these buttons mean? LOL! It seems to do useful things, even. Nice piece of history.

What I couldn't figure out is how to automatically run stuff on startup (at least something like xsetroot -gray), the first times I ran it it seemed to do one "New window" action by default. It doesn't do it anymore. On the stupid Solaris session, we would put things in ~/.login (and it was one of the first things the teachers told us, along with .cshrc)

I guess I suck at X11 sessions lol, I only want to modify the session listed as "Motif Window Manager" in my display manager (mdm) as long with lxde, xfce, mate, openbox, gnome/openbox (wtf?) and unused crap. I tried to look where I could (/etc/mdm, /etc/xdg, /etc/X11, and I have a ~/.mwmrc). I may hijack the lxde session, this one is easy : you have lxsession and a dead easy "autostart" file which just launches openbox, lxpanel and pcmanfm (and some gnome-polkit-shmoo crap ; if line starts with "@", lxsession keeps it alive). No idea where are stored my 10 to 15 "sessions" I have a choice to log in to, yet.

Re:Motif window manager? (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | 1 year,14 days | (#44271771)

What I couldn't figure out is how to automatically run stuff on startup (at least something like xsetroot -gray), the first times I ran it it seemed to do one "New window" action by default. It doesn't do it anymore. On the stupid Solaris session, we would put things in ~/.login (and it was one of the first things the teachers told us, along with .cshrc)
I guess I suck at X11 sessions lol

Well, I don't know about your conclusion. Here's what I've noticed about X sessions; the more modern the distribution, the more likely you are to have tortured ones with all kinds of directories and scripts to sniff through before you figure out which one does what. Start reading manpages (and digging through package contents!) at xinit, and see also xsm. If you don't have anything fancier, typically xinit will start xsm if it can dig it up, else it just tries to run a window manager and an xterm, which is usually exec'd or at least the last line of an rc script.

I'm no expert, but I've lost most of the modern X11 purity points... I've built manually, paid for and used an accelerated X server for Linux, paid for Motif for Linux, written configs by hand including nonstandard modelines for XFree86, netbooted an SLC with XKernel from a Linux host, and even paid for an X server for Windows. When people complain about how bad X supposedly is today, I do a little dance. The dance of two fingers.

Re:Motif window manager? (1)

johanwanderer (1078391) | 1 year,14 days | (#44271645)

I actually install mwm (Open Sourced now) on lots of headless machines nowadays. I found it to work very well over VNC. Much better than a lot of the alternatives. And yes, I use VNC, because X over VPN is just painful.

About time with dynamic PM (2)

fa2k (881632) | 1 year,15 days | (#44268557)

It's about time to have dynamic power management for Radeons (from a user point of view, don't know how difficult it is). It's just a bad default to have it spinning at full speed all the time, because most graphics card make a lot of noise when running at full speed. The alternative was to default to a low power mode, which reduces the performance for anyone who doesn't bother to look up the controls.

The problem with dynamic PM is that many times you need the performance quickly and for a short time. Can the card switch modes in much less than a 120th of a second, such that you don't get an impact on performance (on at 120Hz monitor)? Can it detect that it needs to switch modes in a similarly short time? It's not that bad of a problem, because most cards can run the desktop effects in low power mode (didn't work for me on Gnome, but I assume that's a bug since it was great in KDE). The main problem would be with hardware video decoding or deinterlacing and gaming, but I don't think the open driver supports any video decoding, and deinterlacing should have a reasonably constant load.

Overall, great to have dynamic PM. It may help with laptop battery life for many people who haven't bothered to check the PM settings before. For me who turns down the performance to low, I don't have to remember to turn it up before playing games etc.

Re:About time with dynamic PM (1)

Superdarion (1286310) | 1 year,14 days | (#44271337)

I believe it was Sony who submitted the 150 patches to the video driver for ATI cards a few weeks ago and I, like you, was very happy that they included DPM. Without it, my laptop would overheat playing solitaire and it was quite loud all the time. Since I could never get the Low Profile to work properly, I always had to switch to the propietary ATI drivers, which are quite retarded. Hell, it wants me to restart X every time I change my (dual) screen configuration!

I'm surprised the patches were accepted into this version of the kernel, though. I thought I'd have to wait until the next one.

Let me rephrase an earlier question (1)

RogueWarrior65 (678876) | 1 year,14 days | (#44269373)

In a related posting about Linux kernel development I asked why embedded single-board-computer manufacturers always seemed to be way behind in versions and why they don't keep up with versions but I didn't really get a satisfactory answer. So let me ask this another way: are there any commercial single-board-computers or commercial embedded devices that use 3.11 (or the most recent stable mainline kernel)?

Re:Let me rephrase an earlier question (2)

PuZZleDucK (2478702) | 1 year,13 days | (#44280825)

I think the closest you'll find would be the rasberry Pi.

why they don't keep up with [linux kernel] versions

Keeping up to date with the mainline kernel would be expensive, and would gain you very little in the embedded market... people there want cheap and reliable and will give up features to get it... That's my impression anyway.

AArch64 Virtualization (1)

MC68040 (462186) | 1 year,14 days | (#44270233)

For those that don't know AArch64 stands for ARM 64 this part of the ./ post might be quite misleading: "KVM and Xen virtualization on 64-bit hardware (AArch64);"

Fix KMS, damn it! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44270407)

I hope to hell someone discovers a fix for KMS - my desktop, laptop, & netbook boot up so often to a blank screen I think I accidentally booted to Winblows!!!! & no, I don't want to boot to a graphical screen - I like booting to a console!

Re:Fix KMS, damn it! (1)

Blaskowicz (634489) | 1 year,14 days | (#44271589)

I'd like my tty1-6 to be in 80x50 text mode. I've never managed to do it, for six years and counting!
Right now they are in 80x25, and I don't remember doing anything for that, not long ago I had the text console in high res graphical mode. And before that, graphical corruption. Before that, black screen. It's like it's totally random, though I once fixed it from black screen to high res text or 80x25 text with a grub parameter (I don't remember well which I got).

I also killed my high end and great 22" CRT monitor by switching from corrupt text console to graphical X11 too much, when reinstalling the nvidia driver.
Shit, why not a file like /etc/fix_the_damn_console.conf or some easy solution?

Zswap (1)

vexon (2973587) | 1 year,14 days | (#44274741)

Zswap for compressed swap caching

Is it full replacement for zram swap space?

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