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Slashdot Back Online

CmdrTaco posted more than 13 years ago | from the well-that-was-a-mess dept.

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I'm still not exactly clued in as to why we're back online, but hey, we are. Sometime saturday morning our Cisco router melted down. Ordinarily this would only be the end of the world, but none of our qualified personel were available to fix it, thus triggering the end of several nearby worlds as well. Props to Yazz, KurtG and Scott from Cisco for managing to help get us back online. We'll post more when we know it.

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Re:Interesting (NOT!) (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#130835)

Microsoft's DNS Servers were not "cracked"
The segment they were on were attacked via DOS (Denial of service). They went with Akamai to distribute the DNS workload globally.

Staff reductions at VA (2)

heroine (1220) | more than 13 years ago | (#130850)

Thought this had something with the 50% staff reduction VA is having on Wednesday. For a moment it looked like CmdrTaco got fired and crashed the server on his way out or something. Fortunately now we can read all about the latest conspiracy to spam email.

Re:your cisco? (2)

tzanger (1575) | more than 13 years ago | (#130851)

they're all OSDN stuff. it was an OSDN cisco router that melted, see http://usw-sf-log.sourceforge.net/

That's fine... Kuro5hin was up all weekend. Are they somewhere physically (and logically) different?

Re:I went Outside!!!! (1)

Thorgal (3103) | more than 13 years ago | (#130854)

You can't see jaggies, because you have a low-pass filter in your retinas, due to irregularites in their structure.
--

Can you say "single point of failure"? (2)

Black Art (3335) | more than 13 years ago | (#130855)

I knew you could!

This being /., I would think there would be more redundancy on the hardware level as well...

Re:Interesting (2)

peter (3389) | more than 13 years ago | (#130856)

The major problem would be IO bandwidth, so you'd have to use something other than multiple cards in a 32bit 33MHz PCI bus. That has a theoretical limit of 132 MB/s, which is too low a bisection bandwidth for any respectable gigE switch. NVidia's nforce chipset has two PCI busses, just like my old Mac clone from Daystar, so that would help some. Still, with a server mobo and some 64bit 66MHz PCI busses, you'd have 528MB/s per bus. That's decent, but still nowhere near what you want for 24 GE ports. You'd also need to buy several 4-port NICs, and find slots to put them in. Switches really are hard to do with software on commodity machines. Routing is another matter, unless you have a lot of subnets and need a lot of bisection bandwidth, I guess. (If you were going to be limited by the fact that all the traffic was going up or down through one of the interfaces, and not between two internal ones, then a computer with NICs could probably do the job reasonably well.
#define X(x,y) x##y

Yeah! (1)

LinuxRules (6114) | more than 13 years ago | (#130863)

Phew, I thought my weekend was ruined. I was starting to shake and breakout into a sweat.

Welcome Back (2)

Lando (9348) | more than 13 years ago | (#130869)

Welcome back Cmdr... We missed you...

Lando

24 bit stereo surround... (2)

VValdo (10446) | more than 13 years ago | (#130872)

Well myself, I went jogging, and I noticed the birds that were flying around actually had realistic "surround" effects, so that when I closed my eyes, I could almost feel them moving around me. Very lifelike.

The attention to detail was truly amazing. Car horns honked and the sound echoed just the way you'd have expected in a ultra-realistic video game-- only better.

Very hard to describe, but definately worth it trying again in a couple months.

W


-------------------

this makes me long for the days of yore (1)

Ex Machina (10710) | more than 13 years ago | (#130873)

when slashdot when down when rob would get drunk and puke on the alpha

All your SlashDot belong to us (1)

brianc (11901) | more than 13 years ago | (#130875)

Several hours into the outage withdrawals started
to set in and I knew I had to do something!

By chance, I found Japan's /. site. [slashdot.ne.jp]

Buried on that page, I caught a
[slashdot.ne.jp]
posting about the US /. being down:

http://slashdot.ne.jp/article.pl?sid=01/06/24/06 32 234&mode=thread&threshold=

And ran it thru babelfish [altavista.com] for a laugh...

The first comment is titled: "It knocks down Internet, rubbing, it
does,"

ROFL!!!!



Hiring qualified people (2)

Skapare (16644) | more than 13 years ago | (#130886)

So why is it that most ISPs hire less qualified people? Is it because you get what you pay for?

Re:Interesting (2)

Skapare (16644) | more than 13 years ago | (#130887)

Yup. But DNS seems to be one of the most poorly managed things on the net. When it's only done half-right, most people can still get to most places and they think it's correct, but subtle problems do exist in many ways, especially with caching, and most admins have no clue about what or why or even realize it's a DNS problem, saying "It can't be DNS, I can get there".

Re:your cisco? (2)

Skapare (16644) | more than 13 years ago | (#130888)

Woo ... those deep deep technical terms again, like "melted". OMG, that's so deep it's not even in my CCIE books. Well at least it's back to solid form now.

Re:Melted down? (2)

Skapare (16644) | more than 13 years ago | (#130889)

I had a Cisco router lose the smoke built into it's power supply once. Fortunately it was one of two routers running in parallel, so for the 4 hours it took to get a replacement, we were actually up all the time.

You bastards (1)

LittleStone (18310) | more than 13 years ago | (#130898)

I was depressed because it's long offline. Just managed to get some anti-depressants today and Slashdot is back online... damn, waste of money.

What really happened (3)

wirefarm (18470) | more than 13 years ago | (#130899)

Hemos decided to test Exodus' claim that the colocation cages were sharkproof. He had them lower the cage with him inside.
Poor bastard...

Join the Great Fujisan Expedition! [mmdc.net]

Re:We == All of Andover? (1)

Megaweapon (25185) | more than 13 years ago | (#130909)

True. Freshmeat.net was affected, at least from my 'net entrypoint.

Slashdot re-editing their topics (1)

zanzar (33471) | more than 13 years ago | (#130914)

Wow. Did anyone notice that the sentence about the cisco woman being unqualified and then quitting was removed from the paragraph? Looks like someone had second thoughts...

Re:Cisco meltdown (1)

chill (34294) | more than 13 years ago | (#130915)

Or Lucent, rather. Pipelines (formerly Ascend) are quite nice and reliable.
--
Charles E. Hill

Re:your cisco? (1)

Zurk (37028) | more than 13 years ago | (#130916)

yes. if you want to know where stuff is look at http://www.visualroute.com ...try the demo servers..its a java applet which does a visual traceroute and reverse DNS lookup.

Re:Cisco Routers (1)

Zurk (37028) | more than 13 years ago | (#130917)

exodus is having problems.. see here :
http://forum.fuckedcompany.com/phpcomments/index .p hp?newsid=13119209103&page=1&parentid=0&crapfilter =1
Also exodus has burned thru nearly 500mil in 6 months of their $1bil cash reserves. not good.

Re:Single point of failure (2)

thogard (43403) | more than 13 years ago | (#130919)

Currently at f*company there is a bit about Exodus not going down however... I was there becuase /. was down and I was wondering if VA had let everyone go. Was there a spike in the sale of VA shares offered? It was the weekend so the major stock exchanges were closed and I don't know if VA trades anywhere after hours but it would be interesting to see if a bunch of geeks start bailing out of socks when the company goes offline.

Mabe a stock price drop makes that spare router a bit more economically feasible.

I thought *my* net connection was down... (1)

Mr. Gus (58458) | more than 13 years ago | (#130925)

<slashdot doesn't load>

"Hmm... let's try another site... how 'bout freshmeat...?"

<freshmeat doesn't load>

"@#$%^! Net's down..."

wow (1)

visionik (63503) | more than 13 years ago | (#130930)

Sounds like you need a new CCMF (Cisco certified mutha ........)

your cisco? (2)

jhittner (66567) | more than 13 years ago | (#130937)

then why was freshmeat.com and others down? including thinkgeek.com

Re:Melted down? (1)

benjymous (69893) | more than 13 years ago | (#130940)

Back when I was at Uni, one of the routers actually did melt down in the literal sense. We also once lost our internet connection when somebody decided to dig up the road.

Funny how things like that always happened on Fridays when a deadline was looming
--

Re:your cisco? (2)

r0dent (71825) | more than 13 years ago | (#130946)

they're all OSDN stuff. it was an OSDN cisco router that melted, see http://usw-sf-log.sourceforge.net/

Re:Interesting (2)

haggar (72771) | more than 13 years ago | (#130947)

Actually, Ypsilon, Now acquired by Nokia, produces routers with a FreeBSD kernel. These are real FreeBSD machines, on Intel CPUs, with a very limited userspace, and some hacks to the motherboard. The thing is really fast. There was a dude saying that with Cisco hardware the packets don't hit the CPU. That's just half true. It depends on the header. If the roting is straightforward, then it's done in shared memory, but as soon as parts of the header contain pertinent information, the CPU is, indeed, involved, with Cisco routers, too. And the problem with Cisco routers is, that they don't have very fast CPUs. Of course, this depends on the model, but noone of them is as fast as, say, a 1 GHz Athlon.

Re:Why did she quit? (3)

Jailbrekr (73837) | more than 13 years ago | (#130948)

And when our qualified personel arrived, we discovered that she wasn't actuually as qualified as we had hoped. Then she quit


I see you are checking your employees references just as much as you are checking the submission hyperlinks.....


Sorry, I had to take that stab. :)

Melted down? (1)

heliocentric (74613) | more than 13 years ago | (#130950)

Do you mean melted down as in "quick grab the fire extinguisher" or melted down as in "swing the dead cat, something's not right here..." ??

What's This about?? (1)

fred911 (83970) | more than 13 years ago | (#130960)

"I'm still not exactly clued in as to why we're back online, but hey, we are. Sometime saturday morning our Cisco router melted down. Ordinarily this would only be the end of the world, but none of our qualified personel were available to fix it. And when our qualified personel arrived, we discovered that she wasn't actuually as qualified as we had hoped. Then she quit. Hemos or I will update this story as soon as we know what the hell happened. "

Damage control?

Really a load test of slashnet (2)

stevens (84346) | more than 13 years ago | (#130961)

By the number of people on #slashdot, I thought the whole thing was a clever ruse intended to see if they could bring down slashnet (as six thousand trolls go to see why they couldn't get their fix).

Steve

One Router?!?! (1)

phunhippy (86447) | more than 13 years ago | (#130966)

It seems strange that a high profile site like slashdot.org has one single point of failure? Are you guys still hosting this site in your basement? :)

VA(your bosses) don't have a cage in some co-lo somewhere where u guys are setup through 2 core routers to multiple carriers?

P.S. I do network desgin work? need help? :)

RAND Slashdot Stats (1)

phunhippy (86447) | more than 13 years ago | (#130967)

date: 6:42pm
uptime: 103 days, 3:19, 0 users,
load average: 0.03, 0.04, 0.01
processes: 40
yesterday: 342595
today: 2347
ever: 430189382

Notice the discrepancy in today... hmmm guess routers down don't count in the Uptime script... time to add some snmp traps to it :)

Re:... (1)

Teratogen (86708) | more than 13 years ago | (#130971)

Weh.

Cisco Routers (1)

andrewjnr (90426) | more than 13 years ago | (#130974)

What type of hosting services wouldn't keep a spare, hot-swappable router in place? I remember reading about the new hosting service when /. moved, and being very impressed, but if they can't even get this right I would be very concerned.

Original Story (5)

jhealy (91456) | more than 13 years ago | (#130975)

the original statement was a little bit different:

I'm still not exactly clued in as to why we're back online, but hey, we are. Sometime saturday morning our Cisco router melted down. Ordinarily this would only be the end of the world, but none of our qualified personel were available to fix it, thus triggering the end of several nearby worlds as well. And when our qualified personel arrived, we discovered that she wasn't actuually as qualified as we had hoped. Then she quit, thus terminating 3 local star systems. Hemos or I will update this story as soon as we know what the hell happened. But apparently creds go to Kurt Grey and Cisco tech support. Hopefully we'll have more info soon.

Hard to get good help these days (2)

BierGuzzl (92635) | more than 13 years ago | (#130976)

Damnitall... Just toss the router and hook up a 12 volt battery to your upstream connection.

Looks like it was just time for... (1)

leifw (98495) | more than 13 years ago | (#130985)

Looks like it was just time for the /. admins to have a break. ;-)

Re:Interesting (2)

aleph+ (99924) | more than 13 years ago | (#130986)

(Most/all?) cisco routers do most of the work of moving packets from one interface to another entirely in hardware. The packet never hits the CPU at all. The CPU is there mostly to maintain the routing tables. It doesn't DO the routing at all. On a (PC) linux box, not only must every packet be routed explicitly by the CPU, but all traffic must go across the PCI bus, twice. A PC is just not the right architecture for a high traffic router.

Withdrawl...cannot...take anymore.. (2)

acacia (101223) | more than 13 years ago | (#130987)

Thank god you are back on line. I was losing it. I even started reading kuro5in.

Even more important, freshmeat is back. A weekend without freshmeat is no weekend at all.

How to be a karma whore. (3)

Carnage4Life (106069) | more than 13 years ago | (#130992)

Q:Mommy, How can I become a good karma whore.

A: Steal posts from kuro5hin.

I wonder why /., the champions of open source, aren't using a Linux box with a few NICs and some hacked-together code as a load balancer?

Exhibit A [kuro5hin.org]

Funny that when Microsoft's router failed (probably a Cisco also) it was catastrophic incompetence but for you guy's it's just bad luck.

Exhibit B [kuro5hin.org]

--

Re:Why did she quit? (2)

maswan (106561) | more than 13 years ago | (#130993)

And for those that missed that part, the story was originally:

I'm still not exactly clued in as to why we're back online, but hey, we are. Sometime saturday morning our Cisco router melted down. Ordinarily this would only be the end of the world, but none of our qualified personel were available to fix it. And when our qualified personel arrived, we discovered that she wasn't actuually as qualified as we had hoped. Then she quit. Hemos or I will update this story as soon as we know what the hell happened

Hope this clears up what that poster was trying to say for all those late-comers.

/Mattias Wadenstein

Re:Story keeps changing? (5)

maswan (106561) | more than 13 years ago | (#130994)

Well, so far I have seen 3 different stories. And a 4th one in a comment (that looks like it fits along with the other three comments).

All the versions I've seen personally in chronological order:

I'm still not exactly clued in as to why we're back online, but hey, we are. Sometime saturday morning our Cisco router melted down. Ordinarily this would only be the end of the world, but none of our qualified personel were available to fix it. And when our qualified personel arrived, we discovered that she wasn't actuually as qualified as we had hoped. Then she quit. Hemos or I will update this story as soon as we know what the hell happened

I'm still not exactly clued in as to why we're back online, but hey, we are. Sometime saturday morning our Cisco router melted down. Ordinarily this would only be the end of the world, but none of our qualified personel were available to fix it. Hemos or I will update this story as soon as we know what the hell happened.

I'm still not exactly clued in as to why we're back online, but hey, we are. Sometime saturday morning our Cisco router melted down. Ordinarily this would only be the end of the world, but none of our qualified personel were available to fix it, thus triggering the end of several nearby worlds as well. Props to Yazz, KurtG and Scott from Cisco for managing to help get us back online. We'll post more when we know it.

The one from another comment:

I'm still not exactly clued in as to why we're back online, but hey, we are. Sometime saturday morning our Cisco router melted down. Ordinarily this would only be the end of the world, but none of our qualified personel were available to fix it, thus triggering the end of several nearby worlds as well. And when our qualified personel arrived, we discovered that she wasn't actuually as qualified as we had hoped. Then she quit, thus terminating 3 local star systems. Hemos or I will update this story as soon as we know what the hell happened. But apparently creds go to Kurt Grey and Cisco tech support. Hopefully we'll have more info soon.

/Mattias Wadenstein

Story keeps changing? (3)

Mahy (111194) | more than 13 years ago | (#130997)

In the past 10 minutes I've seen 3 different versions of this story of varying lengths... Is that normal?

Version 1: I'm still not exactly clued in as to why we're back online, but hey, we are. Sometime saturday morning our Cisco router melted down. Ordinarily this would only be the end of the world, but none of our qualified personel were available to fix it. Hemos or I will update this story as soon as we know what the hell happened.

Version 2: Inject some stuff about the qualified person being a she, and not being very qualified, and quitting.

Version 3: Inject some weird stuff about neighboring starsystems also being blown up.

Am I losing my mind?

Interesting (3)

talonyx (125221) | more than 13 years ago | (#131010)

I wonder why /., the champions of open source, aren't using a Linux box with a few NICs and some hacked-together code as a load balancer?

Your qualified personell would be just as qualified as the woman who quit, and it would have cost less. Plus, you could appeal to the masses with an Ask Slashdot about the best way to set it up!

Funny that when Microsoft's router failed (probably a Cisco also) it was catastrophic incompetence but for you guy's it's just bad luck.

Re:your cisco? (5)

alanjstr (131045) | more than 13 years ago | (#131020)

More from Roblimo over at NewsForge [newsforge.com] Sunday June 24, @07:30PM
- by Robin "Roblimo" Miller - On Saturday, June 23, the primary controller in the router that controls access to all OSDN servers hosted at the Exodus facility in Waltham, MA, suffered a catastrophic failure. The sites affected were Slashdot, freshmeat, NewsForge, and Mediabuilder, among others. The secondary controller did not automatically take over as it shoud have. It did not work when activated manually, either. The first Cisco support people contacted professed to be "amazed" at the situation, saying it was the first time they had seen a failure of this kind. OSDN and Cisco people, working through Saturday night, were unable to cure the problem. Sunday afternoon, OSDN employee Kurt Gray and Cisco rep Scott, working by telephone, were stepping through the router's configuration and, says Kurt, as they worked to undo other changes that had been made, "on one reset everything came back." OSDN network operations were already in the process of rebuilding the company's network to eliminate the router as a potential single point of failure. As of 7 p.m. US EDT most of the sites were available at least part of the time, but full service was not yet restored. There may still be slowdowns or intermttent failures until a permanent fix is made. We'll have a more complete story within a few days. Right now, OSDN network operations staff members are too busy working to talk.

ACK (1)

anotherone (132088) | more than 13 years ago | (#131021)

First Something Awful [somethingawful.com] went down due to a corrupted Hard drive, then slashdot took a dive...

I had to go outside.

*WEEP*

-------

only a router? (1)

pcardoso (132954) | more than 13 years ago | (#131022)

and I though slashdot was slashdoted!

Re:I went Outside!!!! (1)

rgmoore (133276) | more than 13 years ago | (#131026)

You know, I think that this was funnier when User Friendly [userfriendly.org] did it. Much more creative, too.

Interesting (NOT!) (5)

rgmoore (133276) | more than 13 years ago | (#131027)

I wonder why /., the champions of open source, aren't using a Linux box with a few NICs and some hacked-together code as a load balancer?

IIRC, they are using a Linux box for their load ballancer. It was their router that got fried, which is a completely different beast. Heavy duty routers remain specialized boxes, and Linux hasn't really serious inroads into that market yet.

Funny that when Microsoft's router failed (probably a Cisco also) it was catastrophic incompetence but for you guy's it's just bad luck.

Not funny at all when you get the facts straight. The serious problems that MS had were with their DNS servers- which were running Windows- not their routers. IIRC the DNS servers were later cracked, too, which was rightly seen as an indication of poor security. When Microsoft uses its own products, they don't stand up to the use they're being put to, and then Microsoft has to use *BSD based systems to get working again, that's very different from when a Linux site has its non-Linux hardware melt down (and the description did make it sound like a hardware, not software, problem).

For a moment... (1)

pigeonhed (137303) | more than 13 years ago | (#131028)

All the conspiracy theroies seemed so real :-)

All is relative ;) (1)

FullClip (139644) | more than 13 years ago | (#131034)

I really like the way they look at this:

Ordinarily this would only be the end of the world

'Only the end of the world', what is worse then the end of the world ? :)

Damn... (1)

Goldberg's Pants (139800) | more than 13 years ago | (#131035)

And I was hoping they were gone for good...

---

Shouldn't postings like this... (1)

LordOfYourPants (145342) | more than 13 years ago | (#131039)

Be in their own special space? IE: A read-only space? What more could possibly be contributed to this? 400 quotes from spammers saying "YAHAHAHA I DOSSED SLASHDOT?" A special in-depth report from the field about how it was fixed? Some karma whore posting 10 URL's about other routers that have crashed for various "hub" sites of the internet?

P.S. Just as an "in advance" thing .. If you reply and say "You had something to say about this, so you can see some comments are needed." My reply is: If this topic were read-only, I wouldn't need to be posting this.

Slashdot doesn't have redundant routers? (3)

zaius (147422) | more than 13 years ago | (#131040)

Everything else on /. is redundant--the stories, comments, lame jokes--so why don't we have redundant hardware too?

Glad to see your back (1)

phoem (151397) | more than 13 years ago | (#131042)

Read Subject

HEy! (1)

slashdoter (151641) | more than 13 years ago | (#131043)

the stories about /.'s end are greatly extravagated

move along, nothing to see here

Fuckedcompany scoops again... (1)

Flailey (154944) | more than 13 years ago | (#131046)

Right there on the front page. Heh, beautiful. pud 1 Cmdr 0

uh...HA solution? (1)

plaztkeyes (160163) | more than 13 years ago | (#131049)

Cisco supports a protocol called HSRP (Hot Swap Router Protocol). It's high availability for routers. I can't believe this wasn't in place. You guys are an online entity, right?

I'm working the CCIE right now, so if ya needs a hired gun...:)

Re:thought it was me... (1)

jamiebecker (160558) | more than 13 years ago | (#131050)

what -- do you only use your machine for slashdot? didn't test to see if you could get anywhere else? are you some kinda nerd or something? ;-)

Withdrawl symptoms (1)

Cyclopedian (163375) | more than 13 years ago | (#131054)

Ahh.. /. is back. I never thought I had it, but the Rolling Blackout of Slashdot imposed by Cisco showed me how bad my Slashdot crack addiction is. -Cyc

Why did she quit? (3)

bear_phillips (165929) | more than 13 years ago | (#131057)

Can you give us any info on why she quit? From the short blurb, I can only think that she came in, didn't know exactly what to do, got chewed out, then ran out of the place crying. Hopefully I am wrong. This would make a great ask slashdot "how much leeway do you give a tech employee." I know when I started, I could do anything given enough time, but my employeer stuck with me. Granted in this case, there wasn't any time to waste.

The way of the world (2)

Psmylie (169236) | more than 13 years ago | (#131059)

Well, with the job market the way it is, and tech support being in such high demand and all, I would probably just quit too if I found a situation I didn't want to handle.
What do you mean the tech job markit is slowing down? Damn, I wonder if I can convince my boss I was just kidding.

Finally..maybe now (1)

HIghoS (177655) | more than 13 years ago | (#131065)

ppl will stop joining the various IRC channels i'm on and stop asking the same old question over and over again.. :P :)

Huh? (1)

Reality Master 101 (179095) | more than 13 years ago | (#131068)

Yeah, it seemed a little slower than normal, but was there a problem?


--

Re:Interesting (1)

spongman (182339) | more than 13 years ago | (#131071)

I was told that when Microsoft's cisco box crashed (it couldn't handle the load) Foundry sent them a box and had it up and running within 4 hours. Apparently the next day, cisco sent someone up with a special patch for the IOS code and they sent the Foundry box back. We're running Foundry boxes here on our network and I'm really impressed. They're much cheaper and the support is excellent (cheers Smitty).

way to be positive, taco (1)

SkyIce (184974) | more than 13 years ago | (#131073)

This story originally ran:
"I'm still not exactly clued in as to why we're back online, but hey, we are. Sometime saturday morning our Cisco router melted down. Ordinarily this would only be the end of the world, but none of our qualified personel were available to fix it. And when our qualified personel arrived, we discovered that she wasn't actuually as qualified as we had hoped. Then she quit. Hemos or I will update this story as soon as we know what the hell happened."

Routers? (1)

Gordonjcp (186804) | more than 13 years ago | (#131074)

*Cough* Freesco.org *Cough*
Months of uptime... The actual uptime figures don't tell the whole story here, because I tend to reboot it rather than just restart networking when I modify the forwarding/routing stuff...

Why SHE Quit! (1)

krystal_blade (188089) | more than 13 years ago | (#131075)

And when our qualified personel arrived, we discovered that she wasn't actuually as qualified as we had hoped. Then she quit. Hemos or I will update this story as soon as we know what the hell happened.

One of you morons probably left your computer on, with the browswer set to Why I got Fired from Atom Films [geekizoid.com] and SHE Saw it...

krystal_blade

Yay! (1)

jmallett (189882) | more than 13 years ago | (#131078)

And now back to your regular anti-bsd anti-microsoft FUD!!

Good thing too, GNUflunkies were starting to form their own opinions about shit!
--

The old story of underqualifyed support-people. (1)

hhg (200613) | more than 13 years ago | (#131088)

Phone-support: Hello, this is the Micr..., 'scuse me, Cisco phone-support line. What can I do for you?

Hemos: My Cisco router melted down. Can you please send someone over to fix it?

PS: Melted down? Did you put it in your oven too? You _do: know what a router is, don't you?

H: What I mean is that it's broken. It won't route traffic any more. I don't know what's wrong with it.

PS: Of course you dont, dear, noone knows. I'll send a nice young woman over to check up on yo.. sorry, check it out for you. Will tomorrow be okay?

H: No, I need to have it fixed right away, I have 1.000.000 visitors per. day, and I don't want to have any downtime.

PS: I'm sorry dear. But I can help you from here, if you want to. Just right-click on "My network-places" on your desktop. You see it right there, on the left hand side of the screen?

Re:What really happened (5)

DickBreath (207180) | more than 13 years ago | (#131101)

I respectfully disagree. Give Hemos his dignity man. I conjecture that what happened was more like this...

CiscoChick: Hi Rob. It's that time again. I came by to check on your equipment.
Rob: Equipment!?! Okay. Just give me a minute to get my pants off.
CiscoChick: No, no! I meant your Cisco router. I'm here for a scheduled routine preventative maintainence checkup.
Rob: Oh! That equipment.
CiscoChick: Yeah, the router. But when I'm finished, I could check out any other hard ware you have around. <wink>
Rob: Okay. Just let me know when youre ready.

later.....

CiscoChick: Okay, Rob. I'm done checking the Cisco router.
Rob: Okay. Cool.
CiscoChick: Wow! Look at that equipment!
Rob: Yeah.
CiscoChick: I mean, it's so small!
Rob: Yeah, it's the latest new thing in miniaturization.
CiscoChick: Okay, well.... Let's not focus on the size. What is the uptime on that thing? Does it go down very often, like Windows?
Rob: Ummm... Have you ever done it in a co-location cage?
CiscoChick: No, but there's a first time for everything.


3 minutes later...

Rob: Ahhhhh! I needed that.
CiscoChick: Oh, no! What's happening!
Rob: Eeeeeeiiiiiiieeeee!!!! The router is melting!

--
"Linux is a cancer" -- Steve Ballmer, CEO Microsoft.

You are so ready.. (1)

Bender Unit 22 (216955) | more than 13 years ago | (#131104)

Did it hit you that you are so ready for IBM?
It should, at least if I got the commercial correct.

God, the lack of posting comments was beginning to get to me, going cold turkey sure is hard.

--------

Taco... (2)

FreeMath (230584) | more than 13 years ago | (#131111)

...let the smoke out of the wires again.

Whew, I was starting to go into geek withdrawl. (1)

NightBlueX (233341) | more than 13 years ago | (#131112)

Where am I supposed to get my news??? I guess Slashdot got Slashdotted.

Self /.ing? (2)

DeadMeat (TM) (233768) | more than 13 years ago | (#131113)

Hmm . . . I just figured somebody accidentally linked to slashdot.org in a Slashdot news story and the site finally Slashdotted itself.

Finally (1)

kilocomp (234607) | more than 13 years ago | (#131114)

I was going through slashdot withdraw. It has been a bad weekend for me. In-laws in town, slashdot down, can't check freshmeat down too, wanted to start working with mysql their site down too, and finally found out I was out of Mountain Dew last night while working on my box. I better have an explanation, Nick

Whew! I thought Rogers cut /. off! (1)

Sebby (238625) | more than 13 years ago | (#131117)

After that story about Rogers@Home being sued, I thought they didn't like the story and cut access to /. from their entire network!

Re:Interesting (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | more than 13 years ago | (#131121)

Isn't there room for a Beowulf cluster suggestion in here somewhere?

Re:Can you say "single point of failure"? (1)

kgutwin (243912) | more than 13 years ago | (#131122)

This being /., I would think there would be more redundancy on the hardware level as well...
Is this insinuating other areas of redundancy that Slashdot is famous for?

Perhaps, oh say, stories? <grin>

-Karl
----------
[root@kgutwin /dos]# file msdos.sys

Oh man... (3)

kgutwin (243912) | more than 13 years ago | (#131123)

... And I was just about to get some real work done!

-Karl
---------
[root@kgutwin /dos]# file msdos.sys

Hmmm. (4)

sachachua (246293) | more than 13 years ago | (#131124)

Slipping standards in the open-source world.. ;) Didn't Microsoft catch a lot of flak for having a single point of failure that other time that most of its sites went down?

When I couldn't get my Slashdot, I assumed the worse. High-profile hijacking. Aliens beaming up the OSDN headquarters. Servers sneakily migrated to Windows, which then promptly crashed.

Kidding aside, I'm glad Slashdot is back up.

Heh, (1)

V50 (248015) | more than 13 years ago | (#131125)

Funny thing is when ran fortune this morning I got:
PANIC: Can't find /
Which is also the quote at the bottom of MacSlash right now. Felt alot more like:
PANIC: Can't find /.

--Volrath50

I went Outside!!!! (5)

V50 (248015) | more than 13 years ago | (#131126)

I was just leaving my house to go demand my News for Nerds and/or Stuff that Matters, when something hit me: THIS IS SPECTACULAR RESOLUTION!!!

When I stepped outside it looked like everything was being generated by 500,000,000 GeForce3s!!! The trees looked REAL!! It must have been at least 1,600,000,000 x 1,240,000,000!!! I couln't even see any jaggies! Talk about anti-ailiasing!!

After spending 2 days outside sue to lack of Slashdot it's hard to come back to my Power Mac 6100/60 with a 14" monitor at 640x480. I wish I had reality's 3D card...

And it seem's Slashdot has slashdotted itself. How did that happen??

--Volrath50

We == All of Andover? (1)

sparcv9 (253182) | more than 13 years ago | (#131131)

From what I saw, it looked like most, if not all, of Andover went offline for a day, not just Slashdot. Any traffic I tried to send to any of Andover's network seemed to crap out in Exodus's territory.

Welcome back... (2)

imipak (254310) | more than 13 years ago | (#131132)

I've been in withdrawal! [1]

You made a thread [merit.edu] on nanog (thread index here.) [merit.edu] Speculation there (and here) was that you'd either been a victim of an unusually Cisco-literate cracker who'd taken the entire netblock off the air, or you'd had finger trouble with some of the more fiendish BSD config files ;)

I hope you'll do the usual public post-mortem; looking forward to that.

traceroutes from the UK were dying somewhere well in side Exodus 64/8 space - well after the point that the hosts stopped having lookup-able names.



[1] DtG knows what I mean ;)
--
"I'm not downloaded, I'm just loaded and down"

Re:Interesting (2)

imipak (254310) | more than 13 years ago | (#131133)

I was about to flame, but then I realised that acutally, I didn't know this for sure... recovering from the shock, I was hit by a double-whammy when I realised that it followed that I shouldn't post the flame. Is this a first for Slashdot?

Seriously, how feasible would it be to make a serious network switch (say, 24xGE ports) on some sort of Linux machine? Isn't this just a complete category error - the hardware in Ciscos is just too specialised to be emulated by any sort of general purpose OS? I've heard of Zebra - it does BGP, which makes it a router level protocol - yes? Someone clue me in, please.
--
"I'm not downloaded, I'm just loaded and down"

Single point of failure (2)

imipak (254310) | more than 13 years ago | (#131134)

Someone in the nanog thread I just linked to (see merit.edu for the archives, search for 'Exodus down') raised an interesting point. There are now lots of Free / Open eggs in one, commercially backed, basket. Whilst it's undoubtedly a Good Thing for well-meaning corporations to subsidise operations like Soureforge, it does make for a single point of failure. In the highly unlikely event that, for some random reason, these commercial organisations were unable to continue funding, what would happen? Would all that hard work be lost?

What would happen to Slashdot if VA had to cut off funding? As it's not set up as a non-profit, it wouldn't be easy to just drop-in a community-supported infrastructure - volunteers to run the thing, a mixture of private and corporate donations from many sources to pay for hosting, bandwidth etc... just getting the voluntary infrastructure in place to *start* collecting sponsorship and donations would probably take months.

This has to be a Bad Thing.
--
"I'm not downloaded, I'm just loaded and down"

Where were you when the "dot" went down (1)

Mr. Bubbles712 (254513) | more than 13 years ago | (#131138)

"Well, at first I thought that Microsoft had finally won the great and mythical prize, So I did what every mac lover/linux user would do, LOCK AND LOAD. I had just went over to Mapquest to find out how I could get to One Microsoft way, andthen it's back. Thank god. I didn't want to have to kill again" All joking aside, good to have you back, and may your uptime be as long as your burn rate.

Suuuuuure it was a Cisco... (2)

Scoria (264473) | more than 13 years ago | (#131140)

Let's see...

Does everyone here remember how quiet OSDN was when SourceForge was cracked?

Why do you think they'd be any different with Slashdot and Freshmeat (yes, both were down. However, sebastian.slashdot.org (AnimeFu) was up. How mysterious...)?

I'm still having problems accessing Slashdot now (it's very slow if it responds at all). Is it me, or does this sound like something a little bigger than a router failure?

thought it was me... (1)

TeldakSS (265917) | more than 13 years ago | (#131144)

I would like it if you guys could e-mail us when uknew it goes down. I was about to destroy the only net-able pc in the house cuz it wouldn't access slashdot. then when i found out it wasnt this computer, I would destroy this computer even more.

Congratulations... (5)

Libster (308301) | more than 13 years ago | (#131152)

It only took you forty five minutes mins to offically retract the whole "she" thing.

Gathering data from your May 2nd demographic evauation, Im thinking that you nearly lost five percent of your readers in the space of forty five minutes.

Yours in disappointment,

Oy... (1)

Gangis (310282) | more than 13 years ago | (#131154)

Well, I'm glad /.'s back!
-
Gangis M. Khan
Unofficial Chrono Trigger 2 project
http://www.uct2.net

BOFH? (1)

snake_dad (311844) | more than 13 years ago | (#131155)

It can't be a coincidence that I've been reading up on old BOFH stories while /. was down... Maybe Simon did have something to do with this. ;-)

Re:Interesting (3)

roguerez (319598) | more than 13 years ago | (#131157)

I wonder why /., the champions of open source, aren't using a Linux box with a few NICs and some hacked-together code as a load balancer?

Because you use the right tool for the job. Linux can can very well be used for many purposes, including acting as a router for your home/small business network. That does not, however, qualify it as a full blowing routing device which is up to the job of handling router needs of something like slashdot.

PEWP!! (1)

GenomeX (416265) | more than 13 years ago | (#131161)

can i have that girl's phone number?

Tee hee... (1)

Sarcasta (447735) | more than 13 years ago | (#131165)

Wow, like, finally. :-) I couldn't hit Slashdot from home, and then I couldn't hit Slashdot from work. I figured that maybe VA Linux was taking Slashdot down with it. Speaking of which, everyone click a few banners for Rob, please... VA Linux won't be around to pay for bandwidth in a few weeks.

In one of the Red Hat Database stories recently, someone was wondering (and quite honestly, I wonder too) exactly how Slashdot is able to work at all, considering that it runs on MySQL (known for easily dying under load) and Apache 1.* (known for fork()ing like a motherforker). After a while I started to wonder if we weren't being proved right... oh well.

So the Ciscos died? Heh. And your Cisco Certified Professional didn't know what to do? Well, that's really surprising. No, I really mean it. After all, those people have to pass like three tests in order to gain their prestigious title. I remember how stressed out my cat, Kyoto, was when she became Cisco Certified.

Incidentally, is the impending death of VA Linux cutting into your support costs? Lemme guess try and reconstruct this...

Cue "Wayne's World" dream sequence
Diddlidoodlydo! Diddlidoodlydo! Diddlidoodlydo...

Rob: Wow, so you're, like, a chick. Wow.
CiscoChick: Yeah, can you guys show me where the equipment room is?
Rob: It's over this way... say, how much is this dealie gonna cost us?
CiscoChick: Well, support costs start at $200 per hour, and the hardware that needs to be replaced will blah blah blah...
Rob: Whoa, wait a sec! That's some real money you're talking about there. Don't you guys believe in Open Source?
Jeff: Yeah... [leering closer]... isn't there... some other way... we can pay you back?
CiscoChick: Excuse me?
Rob:Look, what my colleague is trying to say is that our master, VA Itsux, is going out of business...
Jeff:...and so we're a little low on funds...
Rob:...and so we may not be able to compensate you in the standard, capitalist Microsoft fashion of "money." However...
Jeff: ...we have a plan! Oh, yes, master, a plan! Hee hee hee hee...
Rob:We'll pay you in oral sex. With tongues flapping, we will procede to clean your most private flesh with our --
CiscoChick: Oh, my God. I'm leaving.
Rob: No, wait! Isn't there anything we can do? I could write you some Perl scripts --
CiscoChick: Perl? What are you, an IST major?
Rob: -- or give you a whole case of Debian CDs or --
CiscoChick: Look, Cisco is a Real Company(tm) that makes Real Money(tm). We have no use for your amateurish --
Jeff: Argh!
Rob: You have defiled our holy sanctuary with evil, godless Truth! You must be punished!
Jeff: Yes, she must be punished!
Rob: We'll just tie you up with this Cat5, then...
Jeff: Where are my needle-nose pliers?
CiscoChick: I quit.
Is that accurate, Rob?

Kathleen
--
Graphic designer and Mac lover.

Re:Cisco Routers (1)

goodtim (458647) | more than 13 years ago | (#131179)

this is true.. i mean exodus is a world class datacenter. and to not have basic equipment on hand makes them look very bad. i would think twice about hosting there.
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