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Tesla Motors May Be Having an iPhone Moment

timothy posted about a year ago | from the zipping-along dept.

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pacopico writes "Telsa Motors has started churning out 500 of its all electric Model S sedans per week. Bloomberg Businessweek just did a cover story about the company, suggesting that Tesla is becoming more than just a fad of rich folks in California. According to the story, 75 percent of Tesla's sales now come from outside of California, and the company appears poised to raise its sales forecasts for the year. There's a lot of talk about Tesla's history and why it survived when Fisker and Better Place failed too."

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Why not Windows Phone 8? (-1, Offtopic)

happyurine (2987561) | about a year ago | (#44318087)

After a couple of years of using Android-based phones, I finally got a Windows Phone 8 based Nokia Lumia. And damn god I'm impressed! It is single handedly the best phone there has ever been. No more troubles with fragmentation and malware and no more "lagdroid". Windows Phone is the next generation, today.

Re:Why not Windows Phone 8? (4, Funny)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#44318119)

See folks, this is how you troll.

Watch closely, and learn.

Re:Why not Windows Phone 8? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44318169)

The troll did not mention if it would blend, does anyone know ?

Re:Why not Windows Phone 8? (2)

mwvdlee (775178) | about a year ago | (#44318365)

After a couple of years of using OS/2 computers, I finally got a Windows 3.1 computer. And oh lord I'm mildly amused! It is single handedly not quite the worst OS there has ever been so far. Far less troubles with fragmentation and, well, most just fragmentation and not lagging in the same areas. Windows 3.1 will somewhat at the medium-high end of this generation, any day now.

That's hard. I'm thoroughly impressed by happyurine's abilities.

Re:Why not Windows Phone 8? (3, Informative)

loufoque (1400831) | about a year ago | (#44318135)

The next generation of social marketing maybe.

Re:Why not Windows Phone 8? (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44318141)

Because at one point in the history of technology there came a point when the sales of the iPhone absolutely skyrocketed and changed Apple as a company and it's position in the Consumer Electronics Industry, as well as the industry and customer expectations to a large degree.

By drawing an analogy to that moment, the author is suggesting that Tesla Motors is about to have an equally significant effect on the motoring industry as a whole, and people's expectations of cars.

Re:Why not Windows Phone 8? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44318171)

Witless nincompoop. Crawl away and die.

Re:Why not Windows Phone 8? (4, Funny)

binarylarry (1338699) | about a year ago | (#44318203)

Because Tesla is supposedly becoming successful.

If the iPhone is like Tesla, then the new Windows smartphones would be like a Yugo.

Re:Why not Windows Phone 8? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44318933)

It's a Yugo. It's built for economy, not speed.

Re:Why not Windows Phone 8? (2)

Attila Dimedici (1036002) | about a year ago | (#44318985)

Because Tesla is supposedly becoming successful.

If the iPhone is like Tesla, then the new Windows smartphones would be like a Yugo.

Well, that would work, except for the fact that more Yugos were sold each year in the 1980s than Tesla has yet to sell in its history.

The idea of comparing Tesla to the Iphone at this point is ridiculous. Mostly because it is an apples to hamburgers comparison.

Really? (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44318155)

Ok, I love iPhones and I love the entire Tesla story but what was the point of dropping "iPhone" into the title of this post?

Oh. That's right. Page views.

meh...

Re:Really? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44318233)

At least they didn't mention Travon.

Re:Really? (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44318379)

If I had a son, he would look like Trayvon driving a Tesla.

Re:Really? (2)

cayenne8 (626475) | about a year ago | (#44318833)

If I had a son, he would look like Trayvon driving a Tesla.

Only if it was a hoodie...er...convertable.

Wait?? Did I just hear something backfire.?

:)

Re:Really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44318447)

RTFA, that was the title of the article. I saw it this morning linked from Google News. Don't blame slashdot or the submitter, blame the newspaper reporter.

Re:Really? (4, Informative)

MightyYar (622222) | about a year ago | (#44318947)

Don't blame the reporter, blame the Tesla chief designer:

After the battery-pack demonstration, Tesla’s chief designer, Franz von Holzhausen, can barely contain himself as he talks about the design of the Model S. “It’s like the leap of faith Apple (AAPL) took with the iPhone,” he says, explaining why the car has a touchscreen instead of the usual physical buttons. “There’s a cleanliness to the interior. The screen is the hero. We are in the midst of that transition toward a new way of thinking. For me, it’s that iPhone moment.”

Testla is good... (1)

Jimpqfly (790794) | about a year ago | (#44318205)

... but French Exagon Motors is better (http://www.exagon-motors.com/)

Re:Testla is good... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44318283)

I think its an insult to call this Tesla motors. An insult to his once great name. These electric cars are just as poisonous to the environment as anything else but liberal idiots keep on keepin on.

Re:Testla is good... (3, Insightful)

somersault (912633) | about a year ago | (#44318329)

Are you saying that Tesla was some campaigner for green energy? I don't think so. He would however think electric cars are pretty cool.

Re:Testla is good... (0)

somersault (912633) | about a year ago | (#44318391)

Okay, turns out he was into renewable energy. I thought the fact that he was so into wireless power transfer would mean that he didn't really care about efficiency.

Re:Testla is good... (1)

cayenne8 (626475) | about a year ago | (#44318861)

I'm not much concerned about what Tesla himself would think...

However, I'd be VERY interested if they could somehow start making the Tesla Roadster again, but this time at a price-point nearer that of a Corvette. I'd be ALL over that....a performance electric car that isn't fugly.

Re:Testla is good... (5, Funny)

tnk1 (899206) | about a year ago | (#44318413)

No Tesla car is worthy of his name without it being able to generate 5 meter long arcs of electricity on demand.

Re:Testla is good... (4, Funny)

ackthpt (218170) | about a year ago | (#44318501)

No Tesla car is worthy of his name without it being able to generate 5 meter long arcs of electricity on demand.

Think if it ... as a project.

Get one of these cars, wire a transformer into it and place a couple electrodes on the hood. While you are waiting at lights you could press a button and make arcs dance across the hood of your car and impress the homeboys with their pitiful flatulent exhausts and audio with something massively cool.

You could also work it into vehicle protection. (Please be neat and carry a whisk broom to sweep away the dust of those who attempted to break in.)

licking a 9V (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44318773)

No Tesla car is worthy of his name without it being able to generate 5 meter long arcs of electricity on demand.

Try licking the battery pack of a Model S. Report back to us on your results.

Re:Testla is good... (1)

Barsteward (969998) | about a year ago | (#44319189)

You can get an App for that

Re:Testla is good... (3, Insightful)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#44318367)

Totally false.
Go read a damn book.

Gasoline does not appear as if by magic at your local station. It gets trucked there, after being refined, after being pumped out of the ground, after being fought over in wars.

Re:Testla is good... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44318561)

Totally false.
Go read a damn book.

Gasoline does not appear as if by magic at your local station. It gets trucked there, after being refined, after being pumped out of the ground, after being fought over in wars.

The transportation of energy in chemical form, i.e. as gasoline, is vastly more efficient than transmitting energy in electrical form. I suggest you first learn to think for yourself, then learn something about science and then read a bunch of books. Switching to electric cars will dramatically increase the total amount of pollution pumped into the air. The only potential environmental advantage to using electric cars with today's technology is that it would alter where the pollution occurs.

Re:Testla is good... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44318701)

The transportation of energy in chemical form, i.e. as gasoline, is vastly more efficient than transmitting energy in electrical form.

Citation needed. Desperately. This doesn't jive with basic math.

Re:Testla is good... (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#44319147)

Incorrect.

Go learn some math. That fails even a basic sanity check, electricity is not moved around by trucks burning fuel.

Re:Testla is good... (2)

MightyYar (622222) | about a year ago | (#44318431)

Tesla wanted to pump electricity into the atmosphere and harvest it with antennas on our homes. No way that could have led to any trouble, and of course it is an extremely efficient way to transmit electricity.

Re:Testla is good... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44318445)

I think its an insult to call this Tesla motors. An insult to his once great name. These electric cars are just as poisonous to the environment as anything else but liberal idiots keep on keepin on.

I guess you are thinking about the electricity coming from dirty coal power plants or similar, but it doesn't have to. Electric cars are one part of the puzzle, cleaning up electric power generation at source another, it isn't either or, you should do both. This is absolutely possible at large scale with today's technology (see fx Germany). And as an added benefit you avoid the local pollution, big city smog is a significant health risk many places.

Re:Testla is good... (1)

Darth Snowshoe (1434515) | about a year ago | (#44318791)

I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that using the term "liberal idiots" undermines the credibility of your technical argument. But I'll also invite you to post or cite actual data here rather than just ranting.

Re:Testla is good... (3, Interesting)

CohibaVancouver (864662) | about a year ago | (#44318907)

These electric cars are just as poisonous to the environment as anything else but liberal idiots keep on keepin on.

Really depends on when your power comes from. I live in British Columbia, where the majority of our electricity comes from Hydroelectricity - So the electric cars here have a very, very low carbon footprint. Ditto jurisdictions where power comes from wind, solar and fission.

Re:Testla is good... (1)

liamevo (1358257) | about a year ago | (#44318973)

"This doesn't solve all our problems all at once, therefore it's a pile of crap!" There is no magic bullet.
As a side note, I am getting a bit sick and tired of the abuse of the words liberal and conservative and the totally wacko connotations they now posses thanks to people like you.

Re:Testla is good... (1, Interesting)

Luthair (847766) | about a year ago | (#44318303)

How is an unreleased car at 7 times the cost and a smaller ranger "better"?

Re:Testla is good... (1)

tnk1 (899206) | about a year ago | (#44318419)

Better profit margin.

Re:Testla is good... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44318353)

That's a nice looking car, but it's also $450k. I could at least theoretically buy a Tesla if I wanted (and they're supposed to be working on a car about half the price of the model S)

Rich People's Fads (5, Interesting)

geoffrobinson (109879) | about a year ago | (#44318215)

For all the whining and moaning about rich people, that seems to be how society advances often. A rich person's fad then becomes a commodity.

MSRP of $62,400 Though? (4, Insightful)

eldavojohn (898314) | about a year ago | (#44318321)

For all the whining and moaning about rich people, that seems to be how society advances often. A rich person's fad then becomes a commodity.

Yeah ... but I mean to call the Model S no longer a rich person's fad is stretching it. Their MSRPs [teslamotors.com] for a 60 kWh car is $62,400. $72,400 for an 85 kWh and $87,400 for the 85 kWh with upgraded features. Is this really affordable? I thought I was living a pretty average lifestyle but I spent $6,600 on my current car ... Of course, if you're calling it the iPhone in that everyone else is buying it and I'm laughing at how much money they're spending on phones then, yes, it could be called the iPhone. Still very much a rich person's car though.

Re:MSRP of $62,400 Though? (4, Interesting)

iONiUM (530420) | about a year ago | (#44318425)

According to this article from 2012 [autoblog.com] , the average purchase price of a new car was $30,748 and increasing.

Seeing as that's about half the MSRP, I suppose it's not totally out of reach.

Personally I have no idea why people spend this kind of money on a car. My last brand new car (I don't usually buy brand new, but they had a lot of incentives) was about $16k (cdn), and I considered that a lot. A car is not an investment.....

Re:MSRP of $62,400 Though? (2)

cplusplus (782679) | about a year ago | (#44318531)

Personally I have no idea why people spend this kind of money on a car.

It's like the difference between cafeteria food and a nice restaurant. Sure, both get the job done, but spending more buys you a better experience (okay, not always, but let's not get nit-picky). Some people want a little more luxury, more features, etc, and if they can afford it, then why not? Leather heated seats sure are nice in the winter :)

Re:MSRP of $62,400 Though? (1)

iONiUM (530420) | about a year ago | (#44318559)

The $16k car I bought included heated seats..

And I'm not arguing "if you can afford it", but the majority of people cannot, and when they look at their "needed $500/mo car expense" and then wonder why they are having trouble making ends meet, it's ridiculous.

Re:MSRP of $62,400 Though? (1)

Iniamyen (2440798) | about a year ago | (#44319081)

It's okay for some people to put different values on different things. Everybody's different. You really don't need to tell them that they're spending too much on a car. What do you spend your disposable income on? I'm sure there are people that don't share your particular priorities, too.

I agree that if you actually CANNOT AFFORD something, as in, you don't mathematically have enough money to make payments on the car, then you should adjust something. But minimum wage will still net > $500/mo.

Re:MSRP of $62,400 Though? (1)

iONiUM (530420) | about a year ago | (#44319165)

That's great, the net >$500/mo... what about rent/mortgage + food + disposable income + savings for retirement + bills? Oh wait, who saves for retirement anymore.

A $500/mo car payment is not a requirement, that is all I'm getting at. If you can afford a $60k car, then you should be able to afford to pay for it with cash. And, you should have enough money that you don't care if the car gets scratched, or otherwise damaged, because you can easily replace it.

Re:MSRP of $62,400 Though? (2)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about a year ago | (#44318963)

I bought a 2012 VW Jetta TDI brand new off the showroom floor last year; every option except the nav system ('cuz I'm not stupid) - leather, heated seats, premium Fender stereo system, the works. The damn thing gets 40-60 MPG, has mountains of torque (handy here on the Ozark Plateau, which isn't very plateau at all), and is generally a damn nice way to get around.

All for less than $30K.

Personally I have no idea why people spend this kind of money on a car.

Some people want a little more luxury, more features, etc, and if they can afford it, then why not?

Some people are suckers.

Re:MSRP of $62,400 Though? (2)

Kjella (173770) | about a year ago | (#44318803)

Personally I have no idea why people spend this kind of money on a car. My last brand new car (I don't usually buy brand new, but they had a lot of incentives) was about $16k (cdn), and I considered that a lot. A car is not an investment.....

Neither is a computer, but if you count the total I've used without any significant ROI to show for it, well... it basically depends how much you need and want to use it. I have a friend who spent quite a lot of money on his car, but he also has a fairly long daily commute (and most of it driving not just limping in a queue), the family has two cabins who are both a few hours away, the car is the de facto way to visit friends and family and in general he likes to drive and can go on road trips and such. If you subtract work and sleep then to many people most the other hours are at home or in their car, might as well make it a comfortable and fun ride. Not to mention it's visible wealth, it matters to some. Of course it's not what you spend money on if you're looking to cut expenses or invest, but for many disposable cash is there to be used not stuffed under the mattress.

Re:MSRP of $62,400 Though? (2)

iONiUM (530420) | about a year ago | (#44319229)

I'm not arguing against using money to enjoy life; I am a strong supporter of dying with $0 to your name.

That said, it's become common in North American lifestyle that a $500/mo car expense is both expected, and normal, and people take it on in lieu of saving for retirement, or having a disposable income for things they want (and then use credit to get those things anyways).

As I said in an above post, if you truly can afford a $60k car, then you can afford to pay cash for it upfront, and not care about it, because you have enough money to replace it easily. That's the marker of being able to afford a car at a particular price. If losing your job means you're going to go broke in 2 months because of your car payments, you can't afford it.

Re:MSRP of $62,400 Though? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44318847)

Unless you can safe enough money on gas to pay for the car (over the span of 10 years? [hopeful minimum of the cars lifespan]). Anyone have a link to that study? Then I would say, it becomes an investment in your future of travel.

Re:MSRP of $62,400 Though? (1)

danomac (1032160) | about a year ago | (#44318865)

A car is not an investment.....

Of course not, it's a social statement. Which is why you get certain types of people driving BMWs and Mercedes (and other expensive cars.)

Re:MSRP of $62,400 Though? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44319025)

$16k

You get an econobox for that. Hope you don't get hit; that Ford Explorer that t-bones you will mush you flat.

Re:MSRP of $62,400 Though? (1)

realityimpaired (1668397) | about a year ago | (#44318499)

I thought I was living a pretty average lifestyle but I spent $6,600 on my current ca

Your current car was not bought new. Either that, or your current car is a motor scooter or a low end motorcycle.

My current car was bought new, and while it wasn't $60,000, it is a model whose top trim level is not far from that new. Most people don't have $60,000 cash lying about, but they use credit to buy stuff like that. Believe it or not, despite the banking crash in the US some of us still have good credit.

Re:MSRP of $62,400 Though? (5, Informative)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | about a year ago | (#44318593)

60 kWh car is $62,400. $72,400 for an 85 kWh and $87,400 with upgraded features

Have you seen what a Lexus LS Hybrid costs? It's easy to walk out of an Acura dealer with a mass produced gasoline vehicle for $60K. Tesla is right in there at a reasonable price (US wages relative to the international market are a separate issue). Consider some places in the US you can buy a tiny ranch for $600K and average annual salaries are $130K or so, and a $60K car isn't outside of the realm of typical.

I thought I was living a pretty average lifestyle but I spent $6,600 on my current car

Nah, you're pretty far to the low side there. 75% of car sales are used, at about $9K on average. 25% of car sales are new, with the latest average at $31K. That puts the overall average at $14.5K, which puts you at, what, the 20th percentile or so?

Re:MSRP of $62,400 Though? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44318641)

It used to be that the "average" family car was $20k, now it's up to $30k. MSRP on my truck was $28k, and I got it for $22k.

I don't care how affordable it is for someone in California, a $60k car is a luxury car. You can buy $60k houses here in "fly-over country". Nice ones. With acreage. Granted, they're out in BFE and it's a 45 minute (or more) drive to a grocery store, but still...

Re:MSRP of $62,400 Though? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44318729)

The average car costs 22-30k.

Re:MSRP of $62,400 Though? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44318747)

No you're definitely not. I spent $4500 cash on my first car when I was 16 working at Tim Hortons(a coffee shop) making minimum wage.

Re:MSRP of $62,400 Though? (1)

Tweezak (871255) | about a year ago | (#44318837)

Wait...does this mean that the Tesla will be subsidized by the power company so I can buy it for $25k? Of course I'll have to sign a 10 year contract with them before I'll be eligible for an upgrade.

of course it's for rich people (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44319161)

My truck cost $35k and I use it for actual work (transporting heavy objects). I can't possibly imagine the logic of spending double than that on a vehicle that is only useful for transporting a small number of human occupants and maybe some bags of groceries. Unless you aren't interested in just a means of transportation, but a luxurious comfortable shiny toy that is fun to operate and is also capable of transportation.

Re:MSRP of $62,400 Though? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44319233)

People keep bitching about the cost. You people are short sighted. You really need to look at the total cost of ownership.
How much do you spend on Gas/oil/maint a year on your ICE? For some, the TCO over 7 years for a $30k "normal" car vs. an $87K Tesla is exactly the same.

Re:Rich People's Fads (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44318351)

Indeed. I recall when DVD players were $500.

Re:Rich People's Fads (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44318399)

Indeed. I recall when DVD players were $500.

The problem I find with this analogy is that you're comparing a generic technology to a specific company. And there are plenty of car companies that remain expensive to this day like Porsche and Lamborghini ... apparently that's a valid business model. That business model is not, however, valid when you're trying to push an industry standard. The early adopters pay up front to the benefit of the public consuming it when it is much more commoditized. Has this type of thing ever happened with a modern car model or company? If Lambos were a technology, it would be long dead due to pricing.

Re:Rich People's Fads (1)

realityimpaired (1668397) | about a year ago | (#44318511)

The problem I find with this analogy is that you're comparing a generic technology to a specific company.

Yes, but it's a specific company that has already announced plans to target cheaper market segments.

Re:Rich People's Fads (5, Informative)

Lunix Nutcase (1092239) | about a year ago | (#44319015)

You do know that a Model T cost $850 in 1909 which for an average worker was around 2 to 4 times their average income. Even at 60k the Model S is around 4x that of a non-tipped worker making no more than Federal minimum wage (and more than 86% of people are at or above this income level). So a Model S is really no more expensive for a minimum wage worker than a Model T was for the low-end average income of a 1909 worker.. Prices came down on the Model T with increased sales volume just as prices will go down on Tesla cars if growth continues and they sell more volume.

Re:Rich People's Fads (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44319227)

Read closer next time:

Has this type of thing ever happened with a modern car model or company?

Re:Rich People's Fads (1)

Tokolosh (1256448) | about a year ago | (#44318995)

Unless jealous but lazy types manage to stall adoption by the rich. For example, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Window_tax [wikipedia.org]

Duurr (3, Interesting)

Ryanrule (1657199) | about a year ago | (#44318217)

California isn't the only place where rich people buy toys. I see plenty of bald law/finance people in Chicago with them. Porsche should be getting nervous.

Re:Duurr (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44318625)

Yeah, the summary should say "It seems like it's not just a fad for rich folks in CA, but rich folks across the country." Not to mention that there wasn't really an "iPhone moment", and the closest you could come to fitting that narrative didn't happen by making the cover of a single business magazine -- the investment community being largely clueless when it came to Apple until after they'd already had their success.

Ummm ... (2, Insightful)

gstoddart (321705) | about a year ago | (#44318263)

suggesting that Tesla is becoming more than just a fad of rich folks in California. According to the story, 75 percent of Tesla's sales now come from outside of California

So, it's not just a fad for rich folks in California, it's becoming a fad for rich folks in other places too.

Right.

Tesla: cars for rich people subsidized by the poor (0)

denis-The-menace (471988) | about a year ago | (#44318333)

It seems that the only reason they are selling is that it's a $7500 tax write off for the rich.

https://www.google.ca/search?q=tesla+subsidized [google.ca]

Re:Tesla: cars for rich people subsidized by the p (1)

polar red (215081) | about a year ago | (#44318533)

yeah, and oil is totally free for the state; excpet for some extremely expensive wars, and subsidies for petrol cars. and health costs ...

Re:Tesla: cars for rich people subsidized by the p (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44318805)

Magically, natural gas that goes into charging a tesla overnight is different than the oil coming out of the same well?

Re:Tesla: cars for rich people subsidized by the p (1)

Jeremi (14640) | about a year ago | (#44318689)

It seems that the only reason they are selling is that it's a $7500 tax write off for the rich.

Right, because the number one criterion rich people use when deciding which car to buy is price.

Meh (0)

MechanicJay (1206650) | about a year ago | (#44318335)

I'm sorry, I just don't care for battery cars, just like I don't care for iDevices -- perhaps the (dumb) analogy is more accurate than the author intended.

Have you actually driven a Model S? I have (4, Insightful)

sjbe (173966) | about a year ago | (#44318565)

I'm sorry, I just don't care for battery cars, just like I don't care for iDevices -- perhaps the (dumb) analogy is more accurate than the author intended.

I've actually sat in a Tesla Model S at a electric vehicle show. I defy anyone to actually test drive one and claim that they "don't like battery cars". The Model S is obviously too pricey for most folks but it is an awesome car almost any way you care to measure it. It's fast, handles great, has range comparable to gas cars, looks nice, doesn't need gasoline, has a terrific interior and can even be recharged relatively quickly given the state of the art in recharge technology. Given it's range the recharge time problem is significantly mitigated. I'd buy one in a heartbeat if I had the money.

If the technology can be developed to get recharge times down to 5-10 minutes you had better start learning to like "battery cars" because that is really the only serious problem holding them back. Until we get to that point I think we're going to see a slow but steady migration through plug in hybrids. I've driven the Volt and the Ford Fusion Energi and I'm seriously considering buying one or the other. They're both genuinely good cars for reasonable prices (not cheap but competitive) and I can do much of my daily driving without needing to use gas.

Re:Have you actually driven a Model S? I have (0)

bad-badtz-maru (119524) | about a year ago | (#44319023)

The only real problem with battery cars is the battery. Where do used batteries go?

An iphone moment? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44318349)

You mean sudden rise to popularity then crash and burn into obscurity? Cool!

Re:An iphone moment? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44318883)

iPhone became "obscure", huh? What else is different in the alternate universe you apparently come from? Did the Nazis win WWII there?

Re:An iphone moment? (1)

cplusplus (782679) | about a year ago | (#44318941)

Is that what the iPhone did?

The best thing about Tesla so far (5, Interesting)

DCFusor (1763438) | about a year ago | (#44318381)

Is that, according to Bob Lutz, it pushed Chevy to make the far more practical Volt. I've had one for 2 years, and love it, it wasn't sooo pricey, and you could actually get one the day you wrote the check.

Re:The best thing about Tesla so far (1)

codepunk (167897) | about a year ago | (#44319079)

I might love one also if it did not involve the reality that what I would be doing is paying for fuel for the life of the car up front including interest.

Still a fad (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44318395)

I walk by the abandoned Tesla Motors showroom on the Pearl Street Mall in Boulder all the time.

Re:Still a fad (1)

Bigbutt (65939) | about a year ago | (#44319115)

Me too. You should wave next time. :)

[John]

All over the world..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44318401)

Saw a Tesla on the electric car charging point at Bodnant Gardens [nationaltrust.org.uk] , North Wales, a couple of weekends ago.

A Tesla!
At Bodnant!!
NORTH WALES!!!

The mind boggles!

Two Drive Around My Florida Town (4, Insightful)

InitZero (14837) | about a year ago | (#44318453)

Just about every morning on my way to work, I see two of the Tesla Model S on the road. I commute between Palm Beach Gardens and Jupiter, Florida. That's less than a 20-minute commute.

If you're looking for a conversation starter at the country club or marina, a BMW, Mercedes or even a Bentley isn't going to work nearly as well as a Tesla.

While $65,000 to $75,000 seems like a lot for a car (I cringe at paying half that), there are just as many cars in that price range rolling in Palm Beach County that aren't nearly as exotic or as head-turning as the Tesla. I pass dozens of $65k+ cars on the way to work and it isn't unusual to see $100k+ cars either. Those are mostly background noise because they are so common.

Cheers,
Matt

Re:Two Drive Around My Florida Town (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44318507)

Thanks for the fashion tips. That's why I come here.

Re:Two Drive Around My Florida Town (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44318855)

Head Turning? I saw one and thought it was a Buick.

That's weird... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44318529)

My latest copy of BBW came with a cover featuring a white "hedge fund manager" looking at his wang, with phallic arrows coming out of it and a headline suggesting he has both ED _and_ delusions of grandeur. (See it here: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-07-12/hedge-funds-are-not-necessarily-for-suckers.html) I cant wait for the Tesla cover so I can throw this one away.

Re:That's weird... (1)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about a year ago | (#44319047)

My latest copy of BBW...

Huh, didn't know Big Beautiful Women had their own publication.

The Touch Screen (5, Insightful)

Zymurgeek (153270) | about a year ago | (#44318709)

"...Franz von Holzhausen, can barely contain himself as he talks about the design of the Model S. “It’s like the leap of faith Apple (AAPL) took with the iPhone,” he says, explaining why the car has a touchscreen instead of the usual physical buttons."

This is monumentally wrong. Touch screens succeed on a phone because a phone is a portable device and the touch screen is lighter and smaller. Physical controls are preferable for humans because they model the physical world to which we've adapted. In a car, you need to use the controls without taking your eyes off the road. This means location by feel is important. A touch screen can't provide that.

It seems the entire design world has this backwards, include appliance manufacturers. I hate the buttons on my oven.

Re:The Touch Screen (1)

gl4ss (559668) | about a year ago | (#44319035)

the real reason tesla has a touchscreen is... it's cheaper and it was faster for them to develop.

using it as a control device while driving should be illegal.

Re:The Touch Screen (2)

AmiMoJo (196126) | about a year ago | (#44319203)

Have you actually seen the Tesla dashboard? It has physical controls as well. You don't have to take your eyes off the road to operate it. The touchscreen is in addition to physical controls, not instead of.

Why is Tesla "successful"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44318795)

Tesla only appears to be somewhat successful for now because it has a sexy product and has latched onto government subsidies. It could never survive based solely on the actual merits of its product.

I find it hilarious... (-1)

sudden.zero (981475) | about a year ago | (#44318817)

...that people actually think that the electric cars of today are the answer to our fuel and pollution problems. I would love to know where these idiots think electricity comes from. Yes, there are clean electricity sources but for the most part electricity comes from burning fossil fuels just like your car, either coal, or oil. So, even though electric cars help in some small way right now later as the electric car population increases they will be just as harmful as our current vehicles. They may even be more harmful since they will be using electricity and that will take away from the electricity that we largely depend on for survival to heat, cool, and light our homes and businesses. So, to all the liberals out there that think electric cars are the answer...get off your idiot soap box!

Keep living in the bubble (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44318975)

Defeatist attitudes get us nowhere. We need to clean up power generation sources too. Doesn't mean we shouldn't support electric cars and its possible to buy from renewable sources in some areas too.

Cite some sources and we might believe you. The liberal jibe only lessens the credibility of your argument.

Re:I find it hilarious... (1)

Attila Dimedici (1036002) | about a year ago | (#44319057)

What I find hilarious is that they think that electric vehicles are a new thing. They come with all kinds of excuses to overlook the fact that at the turn of the twentieth century electric automobiles were outselling internal combustion automobiles by a significant margin.

Re:I find it hilarious... (1)

swb (14022) | about a year ago | (#44319167)

I wonder how electric cars compare to gasoline/diesel powered cars in terms of total energy consumption when you factor in the materials.

An example would be a Prius vs. Corolla. It seems to me that a lot more energy -- and other environmental impact -- goes into making a Prius due to the battery (lithium mining and battery manufacturing), more elaborate computers/controls (everything to do with chipmaking) electric motors (rare earth mining and processing).

Tesla Model S (1)

Identita (1256932) | about a year ago | (#44318851)

I saw the Model S in the new wing of the Yorkdale shopping center in Toronto. Nice setup and even nicer women selling you the car. That being said, while I can afford the Model S, I won't be buying it. Its a really nice empty shell with a big screen and all but for that money I'd buy an Audi priced the same before a Tesla. Call me old school but I still need to hear the car go vroom.

Re:Tesla Model S (4, Interesting)

chasman (132781) | about a year ago | (#44319059)

I am looking at an Audi also; I find the A6 perfectly droolworthy. I did drive a Telsa yesterday which is now easily my favorite car after only 20 minutes (my boss has one). He points out that if you get the high-end, there is a 8 year warranty on the car, and all he has done so far (7,000 miles in) is rotate the tires. Cost? $10.
They provided a garage charger and installed it at his house for free)

By the time you figure in 6 or 7 years of maintenance, gas, etc. on your Audi in Cali, you are not that far from what he paid upfront. Have the car charge automatically after midnight when the electric rates are low, and you begin to see the value. Over 8-10 years, buying a $60,000 car with gas prices shooting upwards, and replacing a zillion parts as they wear out, I will spend close to $87,000 on my car; my boss will only buy tires. It seems to boil down to whether you have the money upfront or not, the cars cost about the same.

Better Options (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44319073)

For the same cost as buying a nicely optioned Model S I can get a nicely optioned Porche which has fewer headaches and way better appeal.

Pointless, pointless, pointless (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44319243)

After all the rich douche bags have bought these cars, and gotten tired of them, the market will be dried up forever.
Meanwhile Honda, Toyota and Kia have locked in the majority of the market for decades to come.
I've had my Toyota for 10 years and I know it will last for another 10.

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