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The H Shuts Down

Soulskill posted about a year ago | from the you-folks-did-good-work dept.

The Media 94

TexasDex writes "After years of providing great news reporting to the open source community, including interviews, great Linux kernel update summaries, and even breaking the Skype spying story well before it was leaked, The H Online is closing down due to lack of profitability. I've checked them daily for years, so it's sad to see them go."

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Never heard of them. (5, Insightful)

sproketboy (608031) | about a year ago | (#44327427)

I guess that was part of their problem. Too bad - it's a great resource.

Re:Never heard of them. (1)

cptnapalm (120276) | about a year ago | (#44327467)

I was about to say exactly the same thing. Perhaps it is an effect of not advertising their own existence. Perhaps it is because there's too much competition already for a niche market.

Re:Never heard of them. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44327469)

Me neither, and you are right.

Re:Never heard of them. (1)

lesincompetent (2836253) | about a year ago | (#44327501)

Yup, me too. I hope this article brings them some slashvertisement!

You should RTFA more often :) (4, Informative)

pavon (30274) | about a year ago | (#44327527)

Their stories were posted on slashdot pretty regularly, at least weekly if I had to guess. I don't know how to search slashdot just for links in articles, but a general search [google.com] brings up quite a few of them.

Re:You should RTFA more often :) (1)

cjjjer (530715) | about a year ago | (#44329809)

That may be true but I must have never found a summary with a link in it interesting enough to click through.

Re:You should RTFA more often :) (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44331081)

The fact that open source is for faggot dick smokers doesn't help either. There are less faggots than straight people. This is a problem for open source.

Re:You should RTFA more often :) (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44335685)

You're just jealous that we get laid more than you.

Re:You should RTFA more often :) (1)

jafac (1449) | about a year ago | (#44332015)

Slashdot is where I heard of them - and why I put them on my weekly reading-list.

It sucks that they're going to most likely be replaced by outfits such as OMGUbuntu. :(

Re:Never heard of them. (4, Insightful)

TWiTfan (2887093) | about a year ago | (#44327667)

I'm pretty tech savy, and follow a ton of tech news sites, and I never heard of them either.

I guess you can't open source marketing.

Re:Never heard of them. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44328463)

Sure you can, it'll just never get done then.

Re:Never heard of them. (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44330117)

Heise has been in my RSS feed reader for years now, they were a great source of valid info. If you are indeed '...pretty tech savvy...' I do find it odd you haven't heard of them. At the same time, I'm never surprised when I run across a Fox News junkie who isn't aware of current events even while they consider themselves to be fully engaged in the news media.

Re:Never heard of them. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44337027)

Doesn't that make you guilty of the same thing you are accusing the OP of, though, but in reverse? Confirmation bias is a bitch, mostly because you almost by definition can't realize you are guilty of it.

Re:Never heard of them. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44327919)

Who?

Re:Never heard of them. (2)

interval1066 (668936) | about a year ago | (#44329323)

I know... another site i never heard of... not that I'm all that worldly but I check a number of online pubs and if I've not ever heard of their site perhaps there was a slight visibility problem.

Re:Never heard of them. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44327949)

I'm a bit surprised so few people here know about them.
I'm not even into open source that much, but they've been one of the very few decent tech news sites in the last years. I think I even found out about them through a link on Slashdot (or some other popular site).

I have to wonder.. which tech news sites do you guys follow then? Most of the popular ones are just horrible, IMO. (Save some exceptions like Arstechnica or Anandtech which have some good content occasionally.)

Re:Never heard of them. (1)

Barsteward (969998) | about a year ago | (#44328603)

Yes, they are,... were, one of the best sites for news. i can't believe people haven't heard of them

Re:Never heard of them. (1)

Macrat (638047) | about a year ago | (#44328035)

First I've ever heard of them also.

When I saw the reference in tweets, I thought it was about some hotel in competition with W.

Re:Never heard of them. (1)

jellomizer (103300) | about a year ago | (#44328067)

That and the people who visited the site are so Anti-Capitalistic, they never clicked on an add.

Re:Never heard of them. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44328817)

You don't have to be anti-capitalist to not click ads. I hate to say this, but there's a chance that web ads simply don't really work, regardless of the viewer's economic-political preferences. Noise is noise, and if your brain filters it out then it doesn't matter a damn bit what your conscious opinion is. On top of that, even rapid capitalists are probably going to assume that most web ads are scams, shit from the companies who are giving capitalism an unfairly-earned bad name. Capitalism can include viagra and malware, but it isn't really about viagra and malware, to the same extent that the web might say it is.

Re:Never heard of them. (1)

interval1066 (668936) | about a year ago | (#44329351)

... they never clicked on an add.

"ad". For some reason I'm annoyed by the uneducated today.

Re:Never heard of them. (1)

jafac (1449) | about a year ago | (#44332023)

I unblocked ads for them. There are few sites for whom I do that.

Re:Never heard of them. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44336471)

Oh, so clicking on ads is a rite that expresses your faith in Capitalism? Like lighting a candle for your saint? Now I understand. I had always wondered who on earth would click on them.

Re:Never heard of them. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44328101)

I also never heard of this site before. It would have been something I would have checked weekly at the least.

Re:Never heard of them. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44328109)

Even if I'd seen "The H" I would not have known what it was, so a more descriptive name would have helped.

Re:Never heard of them. (3, Insightful)

TWiTfan (2887093) | about a year ago | (#44328335)

I think maybe I could make a larger point here about how many open source projects are prone to picking fucking awful names (GIMP, I'm looking in you're direction). But it would only lead to a bunch of people listing bad names of proprietary products too, I suppose.

Re:Never heard of them. (2)

greg1104 (461138) | about a year ago | (#44329741)

Publisher Heise [heise.de] is a popular and well regarded brand name for tech news in German. The English "The H" was trying to leverage their existing brand reputation. It didn't work out, but I can understand why they tried using that name to try. It's not as bad as the dubious reasoning behind some of the poorly chosen open source project names. (LibreOffice, I'm looking at you too)

Re:Never heard of them. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44348053)

Libreoffice is dubiously named? I don't suppose you have a better name that describes the freedom aspect of this office productivity collection?

Re:Never heard of them. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44356603)

Publisher Heise [heise.de] is a popular and well regarded brand name for tech news in German. The English "The H" was trying to leverage their existing brand reputation.

Why the devil didn't they just call it Heise then?

Re:Never heard of them. (1)

jafac (1449) | about a year ago | (#44332227)

Best Hentai site evAr!

Re:Never heard of them. (1)

0racle (667029) | about a year ago | (#44328161)

How can you say it was a great resource if you've never heard of them?

Re:Never heard of them. (1)

sproketboy (608031) | about a year ago | (#44332479)

Erm, cause I clicked the link and read some of the articles maybe?

Re:Never heard of them. (1)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | about a year ago | (#44328209)

If you've never heard of them, how can you state unequivocally that they were "a great resource"?

Re:Never heard of them. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44328551)

I got one of their stories featured on Slashdot and it ended up in their list of most read stories, so I understand what you mean. They never found a way to transfer the success with their huge German following to their English offspring. The H wasn't as full-featured and didn't have the backing of the print publications that the German site has. It's a shame that most of you don't understand German well enough to just go to Heise Newsticker [heise.de] and get the combination of high quality journalism, commentary and playfulness delivered by people who clearly know and enjoy what they're doing. (Not affiliated with Heise in any way, just a big fan of their work.)

I Am Unaware, Hear Me Roar (1)

reallocate (142797) | about a year ago | (#44332981)

Says more about you than them

Besdies, how do you know it's such a great resource if this is the first you've heard of it?

Re:I Am Unaware, Hear Me Roar (1)

sproketboy (608031) | about a year ago | (#44335981)

It's called clicking the link and reading some of the articles? Ever heard of that dufus?

Re:Never heard of them. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44343057)

its the english version of the famous german it-news-site "heise". You may know it under this name, as they published some stuff before anyone else, because they still do real journalism.

Until just now I had never heard of them (5, Insightful)

DigitalReverend (901909) | about a year ago | (#44327441)

No wonder profitability is down, you kind of have to get the word out that you exist.

Not sure if... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44327473)

...truly shutting down or announcing a shutdown so the news can give free advertising.

Such a shame (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44327489)

The H was probably one of the best tech/security sites around.

The writers and editors were well educated, rational and not prone to sensationalism like many others.
There was no fanboism; just impartial, well written journalism. A real "News for Nerds" site.

You'll be sorely missed, lads. Thanks for all the hard work.

Re:Such a shame (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44327541)

Truly an American icon.

Re:Such a shame (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44328253)

German icon in this case.

Re:Such a shame (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44328477)

Probably would have had a better run if they had:

1) Hired a better site designer. The site is kind of an ugly, jumbled mess. I know, I know, that's how FOSS likes to "keep it real," but if you make it hard to find stuff, and insist on plastering your god-awful "THE H" logo at a size that overwhelms all your other content all over the screen, it's a turn off. Not easy to read, stories blend into one another, and the little category logos are terribly distracting. Transparency. Whitespace. Readability. The home page has none of it.

2) Hired an ad/marketing person, to get the word out that they, you know, actually exist.

3) Developed a subscription model, so that they are beholden to *readers* rather than *advertisers*. I see nothing about "subscribe" anywhere - maybe they have it, but if they do, it's sure not obvious that they do.

If you want to be self-sustaining, you have to generate revenue. If you want to generate revenue to support your journalism efforts, you have to actually do things to make people want to read your site. Otherwise... start a blog on tumblr or wordpress or blogspot, and enjoy your hobbit.

Re:Such a shame (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44328535)

*sigh* HOBBY. Not hobbit.

Don't get excited - they don't give those for free with each subscription.

Re:Such a shame (1)

fast turtle (1118037) | about a year ago | (#44329433)

don't need another damn hafling anyway. Much rather have a giantling anyway - they can carry more stuff

Re:Such a shame (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44331571)

the site design is kinda outdated, maybe ugly (matter of taste), but i really don't think it's a mess

i find it much more readable than many popular sites, like theverge (what the fuck is that) or the new arstechnica or even anandtech

Re:Such a shame (1)

DuckDodgers (541817) | about a year ago | (#44332437)

I never had a problem with it. It was a great site with well-written news articles.

But a subscription model? How many news sites have made that work? Damn few, and for all of the other Linux and open source magazines and websites that folded, how would you expect something already having trouble reaching a wide audience to convince people to spend a monthly amount for their services?

Re:Such a shame (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44333171)

how would you expect something already having trouble reaching a wide audience to convince people to spend a monthly amount for their services?

I would expect them to convince people to spend a monthly amount for their services by producing journalism that is worth paying for, and attracting a mature, sensible readership who understand that the journalism being produced has a creation cost associated with it, and that no site can continue to operate at a loss indefinitely.

Why is this such a hard thing for people to understand? And spare me the "information wants to be free" bullshit. If you value the work someone is doing, you should be willing to pay something for it.

If you don't value the work enough to pay for it, then stop posturing with the "oh such a sad thing, what a great site this was," nonsense - you didn't care enough to support them when they were around, don't expect us to believe you really give a shit about them now that they're gone.

Re:Such a shame (1)

DuckDodgers (541817) | about a year ago | (#44334459)

Information wants people to stop anthropomorphizing it.

I'll repeat my question: how many news websites have successfully built a funding model around subscriptions? Very few, and most that succeed are very well established names. I think a lesser known website is more likely to succeed through ad revenue than paid subscriptions - people are not likely to pay for content unless they know the content is high quality. They can't know the content is high quality if they have to pay before they access it.

I supported the H Online by visiting the site with third party cookies enabled and no ad-blocker software running. That was my support. Evidently me and others like me were not enough to generate the ad revenue they needed.

Re:Such a shame (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44332757)

Sadly, the lack of sensationalism is probably what kept them down. You have to be flamebait to get noticed these days. People aren't interested in non fiction.

Not sure if... (5, Interesting)

David Betz (2845597) | about a year ago | (#44327499)

...truly shutting down or announcing a shutdown so the news will give free advertising.

Re:Not sure if... (-1, Flamebait)

cptnapalm (120276) | about a year ago | (#44327609)

Not sure if quoting an Anonymous Coward or was the Anonymous Coward.

This was a joke. If this was not a joke, the Emergency Broadcast System would have directed you to the nearest fireproof garments for the impending flamewar. This was only a joke.

Buy the domain (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44327547)

Who's going to buy the domain and turn it into a Hentai site?

Re:Buy the domain (1)

MightyYar (622222) | about a year ago | (#44328845)

That would be called "The Big Tentacle".

Seems like a nice site (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44327581)

Must be poorly managed.

Sad to see them go (1)

dwheeler (321049) | about a year ago | (#44327747)

I'm really sad to see them go.

I usually visit "The H" daily (along with sites like lwn.net, Slashdot, and Groklaw), because they had lots of interesting stuff.

Sounds like a lot of people who would have liked them didn't know about them. I don't know if that would have helped with monetization, but it might have.

Re:Sad to see them go (1)

NotBorg (829820) | about a year ago | (#44332803)

I almost stopped reading at "Slashdot" but my peripheral vision glimpsed Groklaw so I continued reading. For a split millisecond, however...

Never heard of them either... (1)

bi$hop (878253) | about a year ago | (#44327815)

...but its definitely be sad to see them go.

OH GOD, NOT THE H! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44327993)

RIP HardOC--wait H-online?

So learn German (5, Informative)

kju (327) | about a year ago | (#44327999)

I believe that most of the stuff on H Online is also available through the newsticker of Heise (http://www.heise.de/newsticker) in German. Which should not be such a surprise considering that H Online is/was operated by Heise (their UK part in this case) as well.

Heise is the publisher who publishes for example the well respected computer magazine c't in Germany.

Re:So learn German (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44328281)

Yes, it's simply the English-speaking edition of of Heise Online, which is the online edition of c't and other magazines.

They are pretty much THE standard news source for IT news in Germany. I don't think we geeks here in Germany would ever let them go down.
In fact I had them subscribed, 10 years ago, when I still had money. And so did half of my colleagues.

Being old-world "media", their business model / view is of course and unfortunately massively fucked-up. They think they can still make money from ads in a time of ad blockers, and even bitch about it regularly. And they think they can still tell us IT experts, that you can "own" information and "sell" news, instead of selling their *service*.
At least you can still subscribe to them, which *is* a sensible business model for a pure service.

I think they will fare well.

Re:So learn German (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44334409)

Shit, you mean there's a site that American IT folk can go to and bitch about the German-centric nature of the stories, and make sarcastic comments about how "you know there's a whole world outside of Germany, people. Don't assume everybody here is German!"

Thanks for telling us - I for one can't wait to go shit up your site with snark and OT bullshit. I'll see you there soon, meinen freunden!

Re:So learn German (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44336547)

Lol,
If you think you'll stand out in there with that behavior... you're gonna have a bad time.

Being like that is kinda our thing.

-- A German who used Heise Online for 1.5 decades.

Re:So learn German (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44328745)

Not reading German much, I will miss them. I had it in my bookmarks toolbar.

Re:So learn German (1)

MightyYar (622222) | about a year ago | (#44328889)

If that is true, it seems amazing that they couldn't manage to translate existing articles profitably. You'd expect that to require perhaps one technically adept bilingual person. Their readership must have been very, very low.

Re:So learn German (4, Informative)

Lproven (6030) | about a year ago | (#44329167)

It is harder than you think.

I am a former editor of heise-online.co.uk, the site that became the H.

I *do* speak a little German - enough to read the headlines on the internal CMS and request translations of stuff that I thought would be interesting for English-speaking readers. Then the professionally-translated copy needed to be edited by a native English speaker - such as me or one of my colleagues - and the edited version checked over by another editor (because you cannot spot your own mistakes).

It's more labour-intensive (and thus, expensive) than you might think.

As for the site design, it's based off the German one - it's hosted on the same servers and managed through the same CMS. German people like a rather more conservative style of Web design than we are used to on the English-language Web. :-)

Re:So learn German (1)

David Gerard (12369) | about a year ago | (#44329413)

See, you shoulda got Andrew writing for you. Just imagine the page hit counts!

Re:So learn German (1)

Lproven (6030) | about a year ago | (#44330121)

Pardon my vast ignorance. Which Andrew? I know dozens, I'm sure.

Re:So learn German (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44333233)

Why can't you keep it just German? I'm not understanding something. There is no reason you and your friends can't keep it going, not just keep it going but make it better. Then---Then find a way to translate not only to English but any other language. You are missing just one part of the puzzle, it's not that the site is bad, it's that you can't afford your current way of translating. Rebuild, comeback, don't give up.

Re:So learn German (1)

David Gerard (12369) | about a year ago | (#44329403)

Sort of. I've been researching stuff recently in the tech press, and was surprised how different the "same" story could be in Heise and The H.

If "The Final H Roundup" is typical... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44328175)

... no big loss. Like many, I had never heard of them either. Lots of non-stories and speculation, and nothing I really would have spent time reading if the story had been on Slashdot's front page. And this is the best of four years of stories. Potentially world-changing projects ... other desktops besides Unity ... history of GNU Hurd ... I can see why this went nowhere.

I think I speak for many people when I say (2)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | about a year ago | (#44328201)

The what shut down, exactly?

in other news (2)

slashmydots (2189826) | about a year ago | (#44328725)

In vaguely related new, unfortunately, the rapper D'ache (pronounced D H but not spelled as such) is still around
http://www.reverbnation.com/dache [reverbnation.com]

Re:in other news (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44330747)

From your link

About

Members: Dache - Rapper

Label: N/A

Manager: N/A

Artist Bio:Dache (Pronounced Dash) is an 19 year old poet/rapper from Huntsville, Alabama. Growing up, he has always been a lover of music. A singer all his life, at age 13, Dache decided to take the leap of faith into the rap game. Since then, he has written a countless number of songs and recorded a few. He lives by the creed, "We can't get anywhere unless we help ourselves."

...it would seem that it is not pronounced "dee aetche".

Re:in other news (1)

slashmydots (2189826) | about a year ago | (#44340313)

Okay, wrong D'Ache. The real D'Ache is from either Chicago or Milwaukee, much older, and pronounces it D H.

Preparation H is shutting down? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44328765)

Assholes everywhere scream out in horror.

Re:Preparation H is shutting down? (1)

MightyYar (622222) | about a year ago | (#44328911)

Agony would have been funnier.

Always very few commentors (1)

gpm (1534) | about a year ago | (#44329363)

I read h-online on a regular basis and will miss it. Always read the What's new in Kernel *.* features for example.

A give-away that the site didn't have high readership was the very low number of comments added to the articles - often none and sometimes might get as high 3 or 4.

The H was awesome (2)

water-and-sewer (612923) | about a year ago | (#44329377)

I'm seeing a lot of snarky "well, I never heard of them so ..." posts here. The fact is, the H was a source of some pretty great journalism. They're German and they had a lot of German content too. I discovered them through some insightful articles about SUSE Linux, which was (obviously) closely linked to Germany at one point.

This week I've seen several niche news providers I like shut down, always because they find it's too hard to make money off it. I can relate - I've got a site that struggles too.

I wonder if we're not headed to a generation of uninformed people and shitty, community-run group-think blogs straddled by a couple of old-school, pandering-to-the-masses traditional media.

What happened to the Internet? Oh yeah, everyone decided they should be able to have things - especially information - for free.

Re:The H was awesome (3, Interesting)

mysticalreaper (93971) | about a year ago | (#44330405)

We need to get more creative about funding methods. What ever happened to micropayments? If you pitched in 5 cents for every article with merit that you read, would that make a difference? We must have a better idea than advertising.

Re:The H was awesome (1)

Qzukk (229616) | about a year ago | (#44333655)

What ever happened to micropayments?

It's been almost 20 years now and the banks STILL refuse to get out of the way.

If you pitched in 5 cents for every article with merit that you read, would that make a difference?

Sure, after the bank takes their 25 cent transaction fee. Plus 5%.

Re:The H was awesome (1)

Tordanik (1771960) | about a year ago | (#44334245)

What ever happened to micropayments?

It's been almost 20 years now and the banks STILL refuse to get out of the way.

With Flattr [flattr.com] , that problem has mostly been solved. You transfer a relatively large sum to them (compared to the value of each donation), use it to reward a bunch of recipients over time, and the recipients pull money out of the system once enough has accumulated.

By doing it like this, the bank transaction fees do not apply to the individual microdonations, only to getting money into and out of the system. Of course they charge their own 10% fee, but imo that's tolerable and no longer the prohibitive overhead that used to haunt microdonations.

Re:The H was awesome (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44335515)

I think part of the reason of The H's low popularity (even among the Slashdot crowd, which is surprising to me) is also that they're based in Germany (and the UK) and weren't posting a lot of US-related news, which is where most of the English-speaking readers come from.

To me, that was actually an advantage, because I can read the same US-centric news repeated on pretty much every English-language tech site ever and I really don't need to read the same stuff on yet another site.
But I suppose it might have hurt The H's popularity overall.

Meh (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44330047)

Looks like YET ANOTHER rehash of slashdot. ars. etc...

That i've never heard of. with a shitty layout. fugly colors. and once again you MUST be logged in to say anything at all. Also tries to load a buncha crap stopped by noscript.

Gee.. I wonder why they werent profitable.

Mark me troll. Your site still sucks the D.

Slashdot will be an enlightened place... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44330383)

when the uninformed people who never heard of the H are prevented from commenting.

There should be a yearly exam that must be Aced for the privilege of not posting as
Anonymous Coward.

The what? (1)

thexile (1058552) | about a year ago | (#44331025)

The Hentai Online?

So who bought them out, Government or Microsoft? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44331907)

for reals...

what the heck? (1)

lkcl (517947) | about a year ago | (#44332371)

why didn't they post stories on slashdot?? then they would have got some attention. in fact... hang on: why have i *never* seen an article on h-online cross-referenced anywhere, and why have i *never* seen them in a google search??

Re:what the heck? (1)

dltaylor (7510) | about a year ago | (#44334537)

Because you weren't reading any of the articles of substance about the subjects they cover(ed)? /. IS how I found out about h-online.

Re:what the heck? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44335483)

Is this supposed to be sarcasm? I can't tell (but I'm afraid not...)
See:
https://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-ab&q=site:slashdot.org+%22h-online.com%22

KICKSTARTER (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44333729)

Kickstart the revival now! Marketing experts, get your asses into something worthy of attention, will you? Go talk to The H

How does it go wrong like this? (1)

thatkid_2002 (1529917) | about a year ago | (#44333753)

If asked, I would have said that they were in my top 5 IT sites, but the fact is that I rarely actually went to them. I don't know why exactly I didn't go more. What makes a site be at the forefront of somebody's mind when they sit down with coffee in pursuit of their daily news? The best reason I can come up with is that the name wasn't quite as punchy as "slashdot.org" or "ars technica"...

I have been to slashdot a long time. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44334617)

And never heard of them till now.

Incredible ignorance (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44337433)

Half of these jackasses commenting here supposedly haven't even heard of The H!

They were a pretty decent news site. And I say that as an English speaker. (I do speak a little German as well but not enough to read the news in German.) Just a bit too populist to get the highest score.

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