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Former Cal State Student Gets Year In Prison For Rigging Campus Election

timothy posted about a year ago | from the do-son-of-sam-laws-apply-after-that? dept.

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An anonymous reader writes with this excerpt from ABC News: "A former student was sentenced to a year in prison for rigging his school elections at California State University-San Marcos so he could become student president, court documents show. Matthew Weaver, 22, was charged in January with wire fraud, access device fraud and unauthorized access to a computer. He pleaded guilty in March, admitting that he had stolen the email passwords of more than 740 students and used them to vote for himself 630 times during the student elections in March 2012... Right before the voting ended, on March 15, 2012, officials noticed 259 votes coming from another IP address. Officials tracked the IP address to a classroom, and found Weaver sitting there. There was only one other student in the lab, according to court documents. A university police officer arrested Weaver and seized his bag, subsequently discovering that he had stashed the keyloggers there."

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What? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44334303)

Dupe:

http://it.slashdot.org/story/13/07/17/1455204/former-student-gets-year-in-prison-for-college-president-election-fraud

Re:What? (5, Funny)

sourceholder (1478387) | about a year ago | (#44334313)

Apparently he rigged the /. submission system as well.

Re:What? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44334375)

Apparently he rigged the /. submission system as well.

The guy is a unskilled script kiddie dumbass cockmuncher who did everything the most stupid way possible. Even the incompetent campus rent-a-cops caught him redhanded and that's just insulting.

Protip: if you are running for an election and suddenly tons of votes for you come in, from the same source, in the same timeframe, and only you stand to gain from it, then ... uhm gee, i wonder who they'll suspect? Stupid stupid stupid. Drastically improving his chances would have been trivial.

Re:What? (1)

Em Adespoton (792954) | about a year ago | (#44334907)

He would have done better to frame his competition and win by default.

Re:What? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44335115)

Maybe that's what the other guy did. #paranoid #slashdothatestwitterhashtags

Re:What? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44334789)

By doing nothing at all? The mad genius of the man...

Re:What? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44334329)

Dupe, dupe, dupe,
Dupe of URL
Dupe, dupe,
Dupe of URL
Yes, oh, I, I'm gonna link you
Nothing can stop me now
'Cause I'm the Dupe of URL...

Re:What? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44336409)

This was funny five years ago, it is now redundant and boring.

Re:What? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44334445)

He might not have gotten caught if he had been smart enough to spin up 700 EC2 instances and vote from those.

Re:What? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44334577)

Number 1...'THE LARCH'
        [Photo of larch tree.]
          The larch. The larch.

Re:What? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44334693)

If hes black he can cry RACISM and get out of any consequences as long as one person involved in prosecuting him is white.

But he is almost certainly not black for the following reasons. 1- He's in college (duh). 2 - He has some rudimentary computer knowledge. 3 - he got caught easily so crime is probably not something hes been doing all of his life. 4 - Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton aren't crying about how unfair it is that actions have consequences even if youre black because, slavery!

Re:What? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44334935)

Mod this gentleman up. He speaks the uncomfortable truth. I should point out, however, that the offender was a white from Orange County -- and Whites from Orange County are the "niggers" of rich White people.

-- Ethanol-fueled

Re: What? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44336069)

nothing is more suspect than an AC who signs with a user name

Re:What? (1)

publiclurker (952615) | about a year ago | (#44336521)

I see klan cowards still hang out in packs.

Re:What? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44334701)

Dupe my ass, not only is it a repeat, but the vote counts keep changing.

Re:What? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44335041)

Ingredients:

Two cups, stool flour, sifted (store bought or homemade)
1 tsp, vomit
2 eggs
200ml, diarhhea mixed with 100ml, urine
One egg
50g, poo (nut-free, standard consistency)
Vomit

      1.

            Sift the stool flour and salt into a large mixing bowl with a sieve held high above the bowl so the stool flour gets an airing. Now pat down the stool flour and insert the eggs into it using a short hose. Then begin whisking - any sort of whisk or even a fork will do - incorporating any bits of stool flour from around the edge of the bowl as you do so.
      2.

            Next gradually add small quantities of the diarhhea and urine mixture, still whisking (don't worry about any lumps as they will eventually disappear as you whisk). When all the liquid has been added, use a rubber spatula to scrape any elusive bits of stool flour from around the edge into the centre, then whisk once more until the batter is smooth, with the consistency of thin cream. Now melt the 50g/2oz of poo in a pan. Spoon 2 tbsp of it into the batter and whisk it in, then pour the rest into a bowl and use it to lubricate the pan, using a wodge of kitchen paper to smear it round before you make each pancake.
      3.

            Now get the pan really hot, then turn the heat down to medium and, to start with, do a test pancake to see if you're using the correct amount of batter. I find 2 tbsp is about right for an 18cm/7in pan. It's also helpful if you spoon the batter into a ladle so it can be poured into the hot pan in one go. As soon as the batter hits the hot pan, tip it around from side to side to get the base evenly coated with batter. It should take only half a minute or so to cook; you can lift the edge with a palette knife to see if it's tinged gold as it should be. Flip the pancake over with a pan slice or palette knife - the other side will need a few seconds only - then simply slide it out of the pan onto a plate.
      4.

            Stack the pancakes as you make them between sheets of greaseproof paper on a plate fitted over simmering urine, to keep them warm while you make the rest.
      5.

            Serve with vomit.

Re:What? (1)

msauve (701917) | about a year ago | (#44336223)

Dupe? Nope. It's from timothy. Dope.

Dupe (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44334321)

Dupe from two days ago.

http://it.slashdot.org/story/13/07/17/1455204/former-student-gets-year-in-prison-for-college-president-election-fraud

Inappropriate sentence ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44334323)

He should have received the death penalty ...

Re: Inappropriate sentence ... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44334473)

Castration would have been more appropriate. Fag.

what about the voteing death penalty (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about a year ago | (#44334873)

what about the voteing death penalty where you lose the right to vote for life.

Re:Inappropriate sentence ... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44335005)

I predict he receives a job offer as a Congressional staffer.

Re:Inappropriate sentence ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44336607)

If not the Conservative Party of Canada will certainly take him.

Meanwhile in Canada... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44334327)

... The ruling party uses overt voter suppression to win in some ridings, using their own voter database and no one goes to jail. What a joke.

If he had only learned from the Simpsons (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44334347)

Really. All this work for a lousy student government election which in the real world means absolutely nothing!?!

He should have remembered that episode of the Simpsons where Bart runs for class president and loses.

Homer: Bart, does the class president get paid?
Bart: No.
Homer: Does he have to do extra work?
Bart: Yes.
Homer: And is this Martin Prince going to get to do anything neat, like throw out the first ball at the World Series?
Bart: Hell no!
Homer: So let the baby have his bottle! That is what I always tell myself.
Bart: Thanks, Dad.

Re:If he had only learned from the Simpsons (5, Informative)

dj245 (732906) | about a year ago | (#44334427)

Really. All this work for a lousy student government election which in the real world means absolutely nothing!?!

He should have remembered that episode of the Simpsons where Bart runs for class president and loses.

Homer: Bart, does the class president get paid? Bart: No.

This position had a large stipend attached. $8000 is a lot for a student. I don't know why the summaries never mention this. I guess it makes for more controversy when it is fraud for something rather meaningless rather than plain old fraud for cash.

Re:If he had only learned from the Simpsons (2)

ebusinessmedia1 (561777) | about a year ago | (#44334619)

And still no senior bankers in jail.

Re:If he had only learned from the Simpsons (5, Insightful)

causality (777677) | about a year ago | (#44334649)

And still no senior bankers in jail.

They own the jail. And the courts. And the legislature. And if you want to run for office you take their money and probably not directly from their hands.

So no, none of them in jail.

Re:If he had only learned from the Simpsons (1)

Demonantis (1340557) | about a year ago | (#44334885)

Not to troll or flamebait, but I have trouble believing this. They do control a fair bit of it, but I think significant portion of the US debt is owned by China. I always wonder what would happen if suppliers of credit dried up for the US.

Re:If he had only learned from the Simpsons (4, Informative)

the eric conspiracy (20178) | about a year ago | (#44334977)

China owns about 8% of the US debt.

US debt is about 80% owned by the US.

Re:If he had only learned from the Simpsons (1)

gl4ss (559668) | about a year ago | (#44335761)

China owns about 8% of the US debt.

US debt is about 80% owned by the US.

so what you're saying is that china owns 40% of US debt to other nations?

Re: If he had only learned from the Simpsons (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44336611)

The same thing that happens when the supply of cheap money dries up to any other crack addicted economy. The chinese go bust. The world is dependent on cheap US dollars and we will print as much as they want and maybe more. Especially if they continue to buy our bankrupt miners worthless gold.

Re:If he had only learned from the Simpsons (1)

Mashiki (184564) | about a year ago | (#44335195)

They own the jail. And the courts. And the legislature. And if you want to run for office you take their money and probably not directly from their hands.

So no, none of them in jail.

Atypical /. poster that doesn't know the difference between illegal, and unethical. In turn, doesn't know that many of said changes were made by government in the first place which allowed things to happen. Following with that, banks used the system in place. So you end up with: Illegal no, unethical yes.

Re:If he had only learned from the Simpsons (1)

b4upoo (166390) | about a year ago | (#44335555)

Big bankers really are an issue. Just as one man said if we start arresting crooks in business there might be no nation left at all. Detroit city employees are about to become severely harmed victims. Why we have a system that allows pension funds not to be transferred every pay day in such a way that the failure of a city or business is in itself corrupt. After all if any interest is earned at all on those pension funds it should all go to the pensioner. Therefore the city never had any reason not to fund the pensions every pay day. Frankly pensions should be beyond bankruptcy.
                        Another awful, corrupt fact is that Detroit was done in by growth and industry. Therefore it makes no sense at all that they seek growth and more industry. Think about it. The growth stuff is exactly why hell holes like Flint Michigan and Brooklyn New York exist. How wonderful those places would be if they had not encouraged businesses and people to move there.

Re:If he had only learned from the Simpsons (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44335903)

You are a conspiracy theorist.

Re:If he had only learned from the Simpsons (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44336539)

You are a moron.

Re:If he had only learned from the Simpsons (1)

phantomfive (622387) | about a year ago | (#44334791)

And still no senior bankers in jail.

Because senior bankers have lawyers who tell them what is legal and what is not legal. And the bankers stay on the smart side of legal (except the ones who don't, like Madoff).

Legal isn't the same as ethical. Bankers keep it legal.

Re:If he had only learned from the Simpsons (1)

mysidia (191772) | about a year ago | (#44335189)

This position had a large stipend attached. $8000 is a lot for a student. I don't know why the summaries never mention this. I guess it makes for more controversy when it is fraud for something rather meaningless rather than plain old fraud for cash.

It sounds like a heck of a lot of money to me too; and i'm a pro software engineer, not a student.

However; I don't live in California. After factoring in cost of living, the stipend paid to someone living in Long beach CA is probably equivalent to what would be around $2000 in most of the US.

Re:If he had only learned from the Simpsons (1)

Seumas (6865) | about a year ago | (#44335289)

And he was caught, so he never got the money. He should have been expelled and nothing more. This wasn't a government election. It was just some douchy kid rigging a meaningless school election it is pretty gross that it got this far.

Re:If he had only learned from the Simpsons (1)

KGIII (973947) | about a year ago | (#44335741)

I wondered who would be the first to suggest that breaking the law should have no legal consequences. Congratulations - it is you. Why is it that you think it's okay to break the law - especially a just law. Or would you like to argue that stealing passwords with keyloggers is justified? I'm a bit curious, seriously. Where do your ethics come from on this? What makes you think that violating a law, a good law, should be ignored by the justice system?

Re:If he had only learned from the Simpsons (1)

Seumas (6865) | about a year ago | (#44335837)

It comes from reality and the fact that this idiot didn't steal people's identities and charge up their credit lines or anything else and the only things he applied this idiocy to was a meaningless school election. He's an idiot and what he did was shitty and in the real world, it would have real implications and should be punished. Colleges have established plenty of precedence for exceptions to things that happen on campus or by students not being treated as if it is the "real world", so why suddenly pick and choose?

Further more, if it has to be a criminal matter for the courts, how is a good chunk of community service not more fitting? You know, again, because as far as I can tell all he did was grab some logins and vote in a school election. You can't simply dismiss what he used the data for. If he was buying cars under people's names or something, then by all means - throw him in the clink.

Re:If he had only learned from the Simpsons (1)

MysteriousPreacher (702266) | about a year ago | (#44336279)

Wasn't there $8000 up for grabs here?

I agree than punishment should be weighted by type of crime and severity. Whether one would steal a bottle of coke or a flat screen TV, it's theft. In the sense of sentencing, having low aspirations shouldn't excuse the core act.

Re:If he had only learned from the Simpsons (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44335781)

Its not about rigging the election, but the illegal activities he engaged in to rig it, and they should certainly be punished.

Re:If he had only learned from the Simpsons (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44336491)

Really. All this work for a lousy student government election which in the real world means absolutely nothing!?!

He should have remembered that episode of the Simpsons where Bart runs for class president and loses.

Homer: Bart, does the class president get paid?
Bart: No.

This position had a large stipend attached. $8000 is a lot for a student. I don't know why the summaries never mention this. I guess it makes for more controversy when it is fraud for something rather meaningless rather than plain old fraud for cash.

Also, that position controls a very large Student Government budget. Unscrupulous SGA leaders have been embezzling money from their budgets for a very long time... roughly 100k dollars in one instance I'm aware of.

Re:If he had only learned from the Simpsons (1)

Entropy98 (1340659) | about a year ago | (#44334435)

Really. All this work for a lousy student government election which in the real world means absolutely nothing!?!

He should have remembered that episode of the Simpsons where Bart runs for class president and loses.

Homer: Bart, does the class president get paid?
Bart: No.

In this case the class president gets $8,000 a year.

College student governments actually do have power (2)

voss (52565) | about a year ago | (#44334481)

As an example a state university in florida will have 20-30000 students and a student government budget in the millions. A budget bigger than some small cities.

Re:College student governments actually do have po (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44334543)

As an example a state university in florida will have 20-30000 students and a student government budget in the millions. A budget bigger than some small cities.

Holy fuck, that's a huge variance! I wish I was one of the twenty, though. Unless there were only twenty because global warming flooded Florida.

[I know he meant 20k-30k]

Re:College student governments actually do have po (1)

EmperorArthur (1113223) | about a year ago | (#44335043)

As an example a state university in florida will have 20-30000 students and a student government budget in the millions. A budget bigger than some small cities.

Holy fuck, that's a huge variance! I wish I was one of the twenty, though. Unless there were only twenty because global warming flooded Florida.

[I know he meant 20k-30k]

Modded you funny. You earned it.

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[Well, I would if I had mod points.]

Re:College student governments actually do have po (1)

voss (52565) | about a year ago | (#44336067)

I would have modded you funny too....but that would get rid of my comment...and create a temporal paradox ;-)

& people wonder (2, Interesting)

toby (759) | about a year ago | (#44334365)

Why it is a social problem that there is no accountability whatsoever for the crimes and deceptions and election rigging of the rich, famous, well-connected, political dynasties and the One Party.

Because these people are special (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44335449)

they are kosher zionists. Look up "sayanim".

(Don't use Google. Use Yahoo or better yet, Baidu. Google is part of the Zionist NSA network, check their founders background.)

That should be a lesson to him (1, Insightful)

mysidia (191772) | about a year ago | (#44334367)

You can only rig real elections and get away with it; not campus elections.

Because a campus is so small, and everyone knows if you cheat a little.

remember Ohio (1, Troll)

frovingslosh (582462) | about a year ago | (#44334379)

Obama: "Matthew Weaver rigged an election to steal an office. He could have been me."

Re:remember Ohio (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44334453)

And George W. Bush walks free.

Re:remember Ohio (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44334463)

It was him.

NSA election rigging (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44334681)

I doubt it will be long before we see leaks of NSA election rigging, there's already a few dodgy ones, Spanish leader resigning over leaked SMS's, NZ leader stepped down over leaked emails, in lots of cases, the new guy is a US poodle.

So I wonder how many times their black ops has been involved in US politics (well apart from the Nixon years, and Reagan and his Iran arms sales, and probably Bush and the dodgy Florida election since his dad is ex CIA chief.

bush rigged the florida and ohio election (0)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about a year ago | (#44334703)

in ohio the people who made the voteing systems where big GOP backers.

Re: NSA election rigging (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44335183)

NSA DOES SIGINT. At least blame the right agency for your stupid delusions, it would be the CIA in this case.

The intelligence community's biggest problem is that people are stupid... /sigh

Re:NSA election rigging (1)

Seumas (6865) | about a year ago | (#44335891)

Not really an NSA thing. The CIA, however, has rigged and/or heavily (and shadily) rigged many elections abroad. That isn't a closely guarded secret.

Re:NSA election rigging (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44335949)

Well, it will be just foreign elections with a possible outcome hostile to the interests of the U.S. that are getting rigged.

Then we'll include states like Florida or Arizona that are just one hop away from foreign countries: after all, all those immigrants are polluting the poll booths once they managed to hold fast a few generations. Then we'll extend this like the "border search" doctrine to every state within a hundred miles of an international airport.

National security is not to be taken lightly. The U.S. can't hope to prevail over the anarchy and unreliability of voters: its citizens deserve stability. Just imagine that liberals get even a single term and delete decades worth of recorded phone conversations, call data, Emails and whatever. Well, if they get to hear about them, that is.

I'm more surprised... (5, Interesting)

Zargg (1596625) | about a year ago | (#44334497)

there were officials sitting and watching the electronic tally in real time, with the IP addresses attached even, and they were able to spot it and track the IP to the physical location and get there before he was done. Am I the only one surprised at the level of security for a student election? I guess it has been a problem before, since they had this whole system set up for this...

Re: I'm more surprised... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44334573)

They obviously wrote a GUI in Visual Basic to track the IP address.

Re: I'm more surprised... (2)

mysidia (191772) | about a year ago | (#44335205)

What, like this [youtube.com] ?

Re:I'm more surprised... (1)

Em Adespoton (792954) | about a year ago | (#44334937)

there were officials sitting and watching the electronic tally in real time, with the IP addresses attached even, and they were able to spot it and track the IP to the physical location and get there before he was done. Am I the only one surprised at the level of security for a student election? I guess it has been a problem before, since they had this whole system set up for this...

Students aren't yet jaded, and those interested in politics take a very active part in it (and are often computer savvy as well, being young).

Re:I'm more surprised... (1)

Seumas (6865) | about a year ago | (#44335303)

Students are idiots. They should be disabused of this bullshit early on. Otherwise you end up with these fucking twats running out there every election (usually their first or second one, ever) and believing that after 230 years of this government and some 45 presidents -- the one they're going to vote for THIS time is finally going to be the GOOD one that totally fixes EVERYTHING.

Frankly, good on this kid and shame on those treating it like anything more than an expulsion-worthy triviality. He treated the school election exactly as seriously and respectfully as a real election should be and far too much for what a school election should be.

Re:I'm more surprised... (1)

KGIII (973947) | about a year ago | (#44335757)

You're missing the point. The point isn't that he rigged the election - the point is that he STOLE all those passwords. If he'd just rigged the election then, fuck yeah, kick his ass out of school. But he didn't just rig the election, he stole the passwords from an assload of students. That, right there, is a crime (and is a justified crime, not some bullshit crime that shouldn't be a criminal act) and that's why he's sitting in jail for... Well, probably 6 to 9 months realistically.

Re:I'm more surprised... (1)

Seumas (6865) | about a year ago | (#44335849)

Sorry, but I simply can't agree that it should be a crime punishable by prison time. As I posted elsewhere, what he did with the passwords absolutely has to weigh in on the impact of his crime and the extent of his punishment. If he used these stolen logins to commit serious crimes and do serious harm to students, then by all means, stick him in jail. ... but rigging a shitty school election? What is wrong with expulsion by the school and community service by the state? *Maybe* with a year of probation or something.

This kind of heavy handed "but he broke a law ermagherd, throw the book at him!" bullshit is exactly the same kind of bullshit that ends up with someone doing prison time for innocently (and out of curiosity) using nmap.

Re:I'm more surprised... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44336617)

And if you were to install keyloggers and steal passwords from your co-workers in a company instead of a university, should it also be OK?

Re:I'm more surprised... (1)

Seumas (6865) | about a year ago | (#44335895)

By the way, I should clarify that I'm not saying "good on this kid" for perpetrating this, exactly, but good on him for treating it as the joke that it is (because you know how fucking painfully seriously much of the student body of many schools -- not even just colleges) take the whole student government bullshit.

Re:I'm more surprised... (1)

gl4ss (559668) | about a year ago | (#44335771)

well obviously they should be a bit more jaded - and being computer savvy they should understand that either they have no voting confideliaty at all or their computer voting system is rigged.

Re:I'm more surprised... (2)

mysidia (191772) | about a year ago | (#44335235)

there were officials sitting and watching the electronic tally in real time, with the IP addresses attached even, and they were able to spot it and track the IP to the physical location and get there before he was done.

Sometimes IT admins have little better to do, and they understand about students abusing resources... they may have been watching for security reasons and noticed something anomolous; suddenly a massive amount of activity from one IP that just happened to be an on-campus IP.

The cl00bie trying to rig the election; apparently never heard of using something like Tor, VPN, or open proxy services.

There are probably plenty of California-based services they could have used to distribute traffic over multiple IPs; which would have made it less obvious -- or at least make the identity of the bad actor unobvious.

What's sad is the guy probably ruined his entire future career over some stupid shit.... what employer will want to hire the college guy who committed a felony in college?

Folks, please leave the hacking and other crimes to the expert script kiddies who live in Russia and China, where they are able to pursue those activities with impunity ---- those jobs are not for Americans; you're supposed to be honest, and work normal jobs -- like teacher or lawyer.

Not allowed on kids stuff: (3, Insightful)

MobSwatter (2884921) | about a year ago | (#44334547)

You can only rig real politics and get away with it.

Re:Not allowed on kids stuff: (1)

KGIII (973947) | about a year ago | (#44335765)

And, to add to this, you NEVER do it yourself. You always have someone else do it so that the blame doesn't fall on you. You keep a few degrees of separation just to ensure your continued career should your actions be found out. Then, after all, it wasn't YOU but it was some overzealous supporter who unfortunately felt the need to break the law because they thought it would help you out and you regret that they did that and you're glad that it didn't actually have any real impact. And you smile nice for the camera...

Re:Not allowed on kids stuff: (1)

Seumas (6865) | about a year ago | (#44335857)

It wasn't me, man. I can't be accountable for what some PAC does in my name! :D

His response: (1)

AnotherAnonymousUser (972204) | about a year ago | (#44334769)

"That would be impressive, except if you would have known what you were looking for, you would have seen it written on my dorm room window."

I Reckon He Learned A Very Important Lesson (1)

Greyfox (87712) | about a year ago | (#44334797)

About not getting caught.

On his way (1)

J'raxis (248192) | about a year ago | (#44334867)

And if only he hadn't gotten caught, he'd be on his way to federal office in no time.

so.... (2, Insightful)

wbr1 (2538558) | about a year ago | (#44334909)

Aaron Swartz hacks for the dissemination of information. Gets browbeaten and threatned with so much time he kills himself.

This guy hack for only his own good and gets a year. Nice to know where our prosecutors priorities are.

Re:so.... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44335059)

Oh, look, another dumb fuckhead that has strong opinions but doesn't know what a maximum penalty is.
Hint: this is an actual sentence. He plead guilty, and was sentenced to a year in prison.
Swartz was offered a plea bargain for 6 months. He declined that, but see, here's the twist, he killed himself before he could stand in court. He never received a sentence. Could have been anywhere from nothing to a couple of years, we'll never know.

Anyway, I guess that this student is going to kill himself too. Because, you know, any time in jail at all is apparently "so much time he kills himself" to some people. It's a miracle they can get anyone at all through the gates before they off themselves.

Re:so.... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44335089)

Matthew Weaver was facing three counts: wire fraud (max 20 years, $250k fine), unauthorized access of a computer (max 5 years, $250k fine), and identity theft (max 5 years, $250k fine). That gives a maximum of 30 years in prison and a $750k fine. Using the same type of math Aaron Swartz was facing a maximum of 50 years in prison an a million dollar fine. Maybe Swartz should have been looking at a plea deal rather then take the cowards way out.

Re:so.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44335155)

Swartz wasn't guilty of a crime

Re:so.... (1)

DerekLyons (302214) | about a year ago | (#44335167)

Nice to know where our prosecutors priorities are.

A completely different set of prosecutors. But hey, why let facts get in the way of a good whine.

Re:so.... (2)

mysidia (191772) | about a year ago | (#44335249)

Aaron Swartz hacks for the dissemination of information. Gets browbeaten and threatned with so much time he kills himself. This guy hack for only his own good and gets a year. Nice to know where our prosecutors priorities are.

Wait... Aaron Swartz didn't hack at all. He had privileges (JSTOR account) that allowed him to access the information he did; his crime was an "abuse" in the form of "overuse"; as in, he downloaded a "large number of articles"; instead of a small number of articles he was intended to be downloading.

No doubt he was prosecuted based on a corporate agenda of controlling information. There was no corporate hand, or 'billions$ in intellectual property at stake' in the California case, though

Re:so.... (2)

Antique Geekmeister (740220) | about a year ago | (#44336529)

I'm afraid that Aaron did "hack". MIT apparently started requiring logins for JSTOR access when the amount of downloaded material started interfering with JSTOR's servers, and Aaron snuck past the logins and the MAC address logging that was attempted to throttle the traffic. It's not deeply sophisticated hacking, but it's certainly applying computer insights to allow access that has been denied and to evade detection.

Re:so.... (1)

Seumas (6865) | about a year ago | (#44335307)

You take school elections way too seriously. They aren't even worth taking a shit on.

Re:so.... (1)

gl4ss (559668) | about a year ago | (#44335805)

You take school elections way too seriously. They aren't even worth taking a shit on.

so? it's still X counts of identity theft and computer hacking. bundle them up like aarons charges and it's forever in the pen for the guy..

Re:so.... (1)

Seumas (6865) | about a year ago | (#44335885)

And that is exactly the problem with our society. Instead of allowing judges and juries to perform the function they exist for, we want to say that some dipshit stealing 259 passwords to vote in a meaningless school event is the same as stealing 259 people's identities (and though I know this isn't the legal definition, I have a hard time calling it identity theft if what he "took" can't be used to open up lines of credit or acquire state identifications in their names) is exactly as bad as if he were a hardened criminal running an identity theft crime ring or breaking into the Pentagon. We don't want people thinking rationally or using context. We want to say "they violated this certain law and therefore must be punished for the lightest outcome of that crime as if he had actually produced the most hideous potential of that crime".

Yes, the guy is a dipshit and he should be punished, but I have a hard time justifying taking away one or two percent of a human being's life for something that happened on a school campus and only impacted school activities. How would expulsion, community service, and some probation not be adequate?

Let's remember, while we are suddenly treating this guy like a hardened criminal, society (and colleges) otherwise treat college kids as these precious defenseless darlings that can't function on their own and need our help. There have to be special programs and rules about drinking, even though they're all adults and they still get money from mom and dad to pay for laundry soap and ramen and they often live on campus and are generally treated like they are *not* adults and are *not* part of society, yet.

Re:so.... (4, Interesting)

LF11 (18760) | about a year ago | (#44335671)

The particular prosecutor in Aaron Swartz's case (Carmen Ortiz) is a real problem child. She's the one who tried to steal Rus Caswell's motel here in Massachusetts under drug laws even though he was completely innocent of any crime. There are a few sordid items from her career.

Re:so.... (2)

b4upoo (166390) | about a year ago | (#44335683)

Although the tactics used were unreasonable the individual remains the one who decided to commit suicide. There is usually no way to know if you are dealing with a person whose grasp of life is positive. When people are depressed they can kill themselves over the slightest, momentary, occurrence. We will never know how the charges and trial would have played out.

Re:so.... (0)

thegarbz (1787294) | about a year ago | (#44335795)

The prosecution is consistent.

Pirate one $1 song. Get a squillion dollar fine.
Rig elections for $8000 cash. Get 1yr in prison.
Steal untold millions in lost potential revenue from the content cartels. Get royally screwed.

The only problem is the prosecution still doesn't understand the difference between US dollars and the content industry monopoly money that is "lost revenues".

Re:so.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44336479)

Don't go there. Aaron was crashing research systems that people like me use, and interfering with my peer's dissertations and research, and he *wouldn't stop*. MIT has a lot of people who explore and occasionally break things in the process of learning about them, and we accept that as part of the risk of really exploring the world. But Aaron *kept going back* to do this, even after the MIT computer personnel interfered with their own user's ease of access to discourage him.

If he wanted to be all political and "freedom of information" he should have done it from his own office at Harvard. Aaron was in the MIT baseemnt to steal, and to steal wholesale. He *deserved* jail time, because this the *third* time he'd gotten caught trying to rip off websites wholesale, and he'd increased his scale of theft enormously. (The documents may have all been public domain, or not, but *organization* of them into well organized indices and linked content was what Aaron was stealing.)

Was he liberal or conservative? (1)

marcgvky (949079) | about a year ago | (#44334917)

Just Curious

Re:Was he liberal or conservative? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44334961)

Only liberals rig elections, didn't you hear?

Re:Was he liberal or conservative? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44335039)

Just curious. Which prejudgment do you hold?

Re:Was he liberal or conservative? (1)

Seumas (6865) | about a year ago | (#44335311)

Was he liberal or conservative?

Yes.

And Bush is still free. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44335165)

1 year in prison for rigging a student election, and not one conviction for all of the voting irregularities that went on during the Bush elections. Honestly, this is from the country that considers marijuana worse then heroine, so it's not that surprising.

No worries (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44335463)

Obama will grant him a full pardon, and a job in his Administration.

It is not a prison sentence for rigging elections (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44335579)

It is not a prison sentence for rigging elections, it is for wire fraud.

the problem with politics (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44335697)

is the wrong people are attracted to it.

One year? (0)

JockTroll (996521) | about a year ago | (#44335899)

He won't last ONE MINUTE in prison. The inmates are so going to do a number of numbers on him! They will rip his teeth out so that he won't be able to bite while they rape the hell out of his bleeding mouth, they will rip his eyes out so that they can fuck his skull, they will break his bones and twist him like a rubber band. And they will shit on his face. Aye, there will be much shitting on his face. Piles o'shit will be heaped upon him, his twitching scrawny body torn and twisted like a punctured inflatable doll caught in a motorboat's propeller. So end those who are too dumb to live.
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