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Canonical Seeks $32 Million To Make Ubuntu Smartphone

samzenpus posted about a year ago | from the pay-the-man dept.

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nk497 writes "Canonical has kicked off a crowdfunding campaign to raise $32 million in 30 days to make its own smartphone, called Ubuntu Edge, that can also hook up to a monitor and be used as a PC. If it meets its funding target on Indiegogo, the Ubuntu Edge is scheduled to arrive in May 2014. To get one, backers must contribute $600 (£394) on the first day or $810 (£532) thereafter. Canonical will only make 40,000 of the devices."

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Why? ~nt~ (1, Insightful)

OverlordQ (264228) | about a year ago | (#44352733)

~nt~

Re:Why? ~nt~ (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44352791)

I guess Shuttleworth is tired of spending his own money on developing tech nobody wants.

Re:Why? ~nt~ (-1, Troll)

gl4ss (559668) | about a year ago | (#44352903)

~nt~

MONAYYYY and mainly no risk sales.. a bit high on the target though.

and buying shit you don't know what you're buying. really shuttleworth? REALLY? INDIE FUCKING GOGO? I know you read this. why not just man up and do them? you running out of money? you know you were supposed to do this thing a year ago so..

also, what's better than in a padfone.

third also(yeah, you'll hate incoherent posts) 832 bucks what the fuck man.... any phone with hdmi out and otg usb "can" be used as a desktop.. for that fucking money you should ship it with a desktop.. but you're supposedly been running a company for years and that's no way to go indiegogo, you're perversing crowdsourcing. because what you're really doing is selling a product, but trying to dodge consumer protection laws in the process.

this is really potentially ubuntu bankrupting stuff so I guess ubuntu is already in the state of being on the verge of bankrupcy..

Re:Why? ~nt~ (3, Insightful)

GovCheese (1062648) | about a year ago | (#44353075)

As a corporate overlord to well-meaning young hippie-leaning techies, Canonical has always been a bit odd. I recall their early versions came bundled with video samples of Nelson Mandela. That sort of bald-faced symbolic sales pitch to the young and idealistic was cleverly successful even if it now seems a bit easier to criticize them for their recent decisions. If it's a walled garden they're building, I suppose it'll have lots of flowers in it.

Re:Why? ~nt~ (0)

bluefoxlucid (723572) | about a year ago | (#44353423)

Pretty much you nailed it. These days, people are social democrats: they want more government services, more hand-outs, more take-everyone-else's-money-and-give-it-to-me. That's why American politics went hard into free healthcare and extended unemployment. People will bring up all kinds of things about the economy and what we "needed" to avert a supposed disaster; but the truth is all that is irrelevant, regardless of validity or lack thereof. Americans, and most of the world, are a socialist-communist people.

It's a marketing point to have a kickstarter. It gives you validity. You kickstarted your project, you put up a thing and asked for money with zero obligations. Not investors, not loans, not negotiated marketing deals. "Please give me free money." People associate this behavior with the little man looking to make an ambitious move in the market, to create something corporate overlords won't put money into the risk pot for. It gives them a warm, squishy feeling inside.

Re:Why? ~nt~ (2)

drinkypoo (153816) | about a year ago | (#44353449)

I don't know about anybody else, but I expect that society should be giving us all more for less as progress results in more reward for less input, and there's more to go around. The sad thing is, wages don't even need to keep up with productivity, or at least they don't have to advance as quickly, in order to represent satisfactory progress.

Re:Why? ~nt~ (2)

MightyYar (622222) | about a year ago | (#44353155)

So you can have your computer in your pocket all the time! Think of it:
1. No more storing your data on crappy services like Dropbox or Google Drive. Now it's just in your pocket, everywhere!
2. Use the same apps on the phone as on the desktop! The only difference is the input and output!
3. Hook up your phone to any desktop that has a monitor, keyboard, and mouse (but for some reason no computer)!

For those who haven't caught on, this whole post was sarcasm.

Re:Why? ~nt~ (4, Funny)

Bill_the_Engineer (772575) | about a year ago | (#44353329)

You forgot the best feature:
4. When your phone is misplaced or stolen, your data automatically transitions from pocket data to somewhere data.

Re:Why? ~nt~ (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#44353855)

Why would you not have backups?

Back it up like you would any other device.

Re:Why? ~nt~ (5, Interesting)

postbigbang (761081) | about a year ago | (#44353875)

Posted without sarcasm:

1. Maybe there won't be the quid pro quo of all of your private information so you can use the "free" apps

2. Perhaps your carrier won't be able to dive into your phone and change any old setting they desire

3. With luck, maybe your apps won't have obscene data needs that can be sold on the open market for bigdamndata engines

4. And maybe we can have apps that just do something, rather then the crippled-til-you-pay model.

But Canonical hasn't guaranteed anything, and the carriers won't love them unless Canonical allows them to feed their shareholders, so it's unlikely as a result that carriers will want the devices to market in the first place.

Oh, wait.....

Re:Why? ~nt~ (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44353421)

No clue. Ubuntu has proven over the last few years that it doesn't care what their userbase says - they're going to do what they want. Now they want me to fork over $600 for a phone that may or may not ever exist (not to mention that if it does it may suck) or $810 if I don't jump on it right away? Thanks, but no thanks. $200 and I might would consider it as even if the OS sucked there will probably be Android ports for this thing, but there's no way I'm paying more for this than almost every other phone on the market.

Re:Why? ~nt~ (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44353621)

Because that's what I want. The power of a cell phone, but with the form factor of a desktop. What's not to love?

Re:Why? ~nt~ (1)

Noughmad (1044096) | about a year ago | (#44353623)

Publicity, or at I least I hope so.

He could pay for the whole thing himself, and nobody would buy it. If, on the other hand, he mostly fund it himself through puppets on IGG, it will get widespread praise for breaking all sorts of records, listening to the people. It will also give the idea that people want this, so people will actually want this.

Re:Why? ~nt~ (2)

jandrese (485) | about a year ago | (#44354033)

I have to admit, I'm not exactly jumping out of my seat to send $600+ to the company that's been fucking up Ubuntu pretty badly for the past couple of years.

For 32 million i want it to make coffee (5, Funny)

ArcadeX (866171) | about a year ago | (#44352735)

Would rather have a http://pomegranatephone.com/ [pomegranatephone.com]

Re:For 32 million i want it to make coffee (1)

Bill_the_Engineer (772575) | about a year ago | (#44353391)

Thanks for the link. The feature that made me laugh the loudest was the harmonica demonstration.

Why no direct link ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44352771)

Why no direct link to the Ubuntu campaign on indiegogo ?

Re:Why no direct link ? (4, Insightful)

Lunix Nutcase (1092239) | about a year ago | (#44352793)

How can PCPro get page hits and ad impressions by linking to the IndieGoGo page?

Actual Link (4, Informative)

Ynot_82 (1023749) | about a year ago | (#44352789)

Actual link to indiegogo page, which is missing from FTS
http://igg.me/at/ubuntuedge [igg.me]

Re:Actual Link (2)

i kan reed (749298) | about a year ago | (#44353911)

Also, it's worth pointing out that 32 million is 3 times the largest successfully crowd funded project ever. This will never happen, especially since indiegogo has way less than half the financial user base of kickstarter.

Too much bullshit from Canonical (1, Insightful)

Animats (122034) | about a year ago | (#44352795)

Canonical has bullshitted too much in the past to be taken seriously about this. Several times, they've announced that new products from major vendors (Asus, Dell) would run their version of Linux. Never happened. They need to STFU until the product ships.

Re:Too much bullshit from Canonical (1)

rullywowr (1831632) | about a year ago | (#44352857)

+1000

Re:Too much bullshit from Canonical (5, Insightful)

master_kaos (1027308) | about a year ago | (#44353267)

I like how they have an $80,000 option, and then want an additional $100 for shipping. Really we just gave you 80k and you want extra to ship it??
  I think the crowd funding is great for projects where the person would have no way to fund the project on their own, but these private for profit businesses doing this is ridiculous, they want no risk but all the profit and glory.

I know double fine did it(I even supported it) but at least you can see where they are going with not going with a publisher

Re:Too much bullshit from Canonical (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44353961)

I like how they have an $80,000 option, and then want an additional $100 for shipping. Really we just gave you 80k and you want extra to ship it??

  I think the crowd funding is great for projects where the person would have no way to fund the project on their own, but these private for profit businesses doing this is ridiculous, they want no risk but all the profit and glory.

I know double fine did it(I even supported it) but at least you can see where they are going with not going with a publisher

Did you not fully comprehend that sentence, where they said that shipping was free for that package except for destinations outside the US and UK? $100 is a mere .12% of $80,000 but at the same time it is pretty damn cheap to ship 100 phones internationally (when tariffs and other requirements will be in the thousands).

Re:Too much bullshit from Canonical (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44352957)

Indeed. I would have considered contributing three or four years ago, but there's just too much to hate about Canonical these days.

Re:Too much bullshit from Canonical (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44352963)

Could you link to those announcements please?

Re:Too much bullshit from Canonical (3, Informative)

Animats (122034) | about a year ago | (#44353369)

Could you link to those announcements please?

There are lots of Canonical announcements about machines coming preloaded with Unbuntu. Not many shipments.

There are other tablet and phone Ubuntu announcements, which you can find with Google. Someone is taking "pre-orders" for a Ubuntu tablet for delivery in late 2013. [omgubuntu.co.uk]

Despite all their press releases, Canonical seems unable to get any manufacturer to ship a preloaded Ubuntu machine in volume.

Re:Too much bullshit from Canonical (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44354043)

To be fair, there was an Ubuntu distro on the dell mini 10...

Re:Too much bullshit from Canonical (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44354047)

Major OEMs (HP, Dell, etc) ship millions of computers with Ubuntu every year. The shipments are mostly to emerging markets (China, India...), which is why you don't see many machines in western (read: slashdot-reading) countries.

Source: I am affiliated with that effort

Re:Too much bullshit from Canonical (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44352965)

Awful company.

Lets just get on with killing Canonical. I wouldnt invest in anything that was going to have a unity-like interface.

Re:Too much bullshit from Canonical (1)

gl4ss (559668) | about a year ago | (#44353013)

I vaguely remember them claiming we would have been running this already by now.. I mean, if they really had the sw stack plunked down..
they're outright liars though as a whole, though maybe in their minds just "optimists". the concept itself isn't impossible, but I'd rather see the sw stack run first on something like asus padfone - and well, quite frankly, running something else than ubuntu.

"All of the funding we receive goes directly towards producing the device for expected delivery in May 2014. The only pockets getting filled by this campaign will be yours when the handset arrives." well yah, I suppose so, if Ubuntu employees don't have pockets.

the stuff they've been up to for the past 1.5 years though sounds like they're running out of money(all the bs announcements are aimed not at consumers, they're aimed at investors, and this is quite directly just "give us money to run for a year").

Re:Too much bullshit from Canonical (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44353041)

Err, there *have* been products from major vendors running their version of Linux.

See: http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/xps-13-linux/pd
and http://www.ubuntu.com/partners/asus/

Re:Too much bullshit from Canonical (0)

Joining Yet Again (2992179) | about a year ago | (#44353067)

This. They want $32 million in a month to build 40,000 units of yet-another-phone? Why?

I don't really understand the crowdfunding craze. The idea with capitalism is that people risk their capital to make bank. With this method - like with peer-to-peer lending - the wealthy investor is merely a middleman, setting up a crowdfunding platform from which it collects commission, but risking none of its own money in the businesses/loans themselves. For crowdfunding, the "investors" are the dwindling middle classes, who give up their money and might at best receive a trinket - certainly not even repayment of capital, let alone interest or shares.

Yeah, ok, "risk capital to make bank" hasn't been capitalism since the first limited liability corporation was set up, but at least there was some semblance of risk.

From an investor wisdom PoV, it's exactly the same bullshit banks went through in the last decade, moving from know-your-borrower loans to computer-says-yes. I guess the only plus point is that then the average citizen was surprised that they had to pay for bailouts, whereas now the citizen is still getting fleeced, but it happens more quickly.

Re:Too much bullshit from Canonical (2)

Sarten-X (1102295) | about a year ago | (#44353387)

I don't really understand the crowdfunding craze.

Yeah, that's pretty clear.

The idea with capitalism...

...is orthogonal to crowdsourcing. Under capitalism, individuals own property. That's it. They're free to use that property (including money) to make more money if they so choose, or they can make their own deals to trade for something else. With crowdfunding, a bunch of people put their money into a pool that is then used to fulfill some purpose, such as tooling manufacturers and setting up supply lines to produce a phone.

This does not require a middleman, and in fact the exact same model is used to start practically every corporate partnership: Several individuals pool their resources to fulfill some goal... Perhaps one guy rents the storefront, another buys the supplies, and a third handles the paperwork, resulting in a 3-person partnership to run a store. The only difference is that now there are several middlemen (Kickstarter and IndieGoGo being two) who will take a small commission to connect thousands of investors with the managers. The model is still the same: One guy handles paperwork, one guy arranges for suppliers, and 40,000 other investors chip in cash.

The "trinket" they receive is the return on their investment. Perhaps it's a phone, or their name on a satellite, or even just the personal satisfaction of seeing something made. These are not new deals. Prior to crowdfunding, patrons would simply pay artists out of their own pocket to produce works, or gather together in groups (such as the Lions Club, or Rotary, or various church groups) to pay for something they couldn't afford on their own.

There is absolutely no requirement that an investment's goal be to make more money. An investment is merely a resource put towards any particular goal.

Yeah, ok, "risk capital to make bank" hasn't been capitalism since the first limited liability corporation was set up, but at least there was some semblance of risk.

That's exactly what the limited libility leaves at risk: what's been invested, and nothing more. The limit on liability means that the company is its own legal entity, and if it's the target of a lawsuit, the owners' separate personal resources aren't at risk. The invested capital is still at risk, but the investor isn't required to be 100% at risk. If an airplane manufacturer goes bankrupt, the owner isn't still contractually obligated to fulfill orders for planes.

Re:Too much bullshit from Canonical (0)

bluefoxlucid (723572) | about a year ago | (#44354125)

You're thinking people are capitalists. They're socialists. America is a socialism-communism political atmosphere. It's like how we like fucking and see stuff about teachers giving 16 year olds blowjobs and go "DAMN I wish my teachers were like that in high school!", but we tell our post-pubescent young adults they need to stay virgins and should behave and not get naked or look at porn. It's dirty and naughty and wrong, and we tell everyone that... while demanding more public social services.

Re:Too much bullshit from Canonical (4, Informative)

kasperd (592156) | about a year ago | (#44353109)

Canonical has bullshitted too much in the past to be taken seriously about this. Several times, they've announced that new products from major vendors (Asus, Dell) would run their version of Linux. Never happened.

I am writing this comment on a Dell that came with Ubuntu preinstalled.

Re:Too much bullshit from Canonical (2)

Again (1351325) | about a year ago | (#44353249)

Canonical has bullshitted too much in the past to be taken seriously about this. Several times, they've announced that new products from major vendors (Asus, Dell) would run their version of Linux. Never happened.

I am writing this comment on a Dell that came with Ubuntu preinstalled.

What is this? A voice of reason and fact? I insist you take back your harsh statement and engage in fallacy and untruth!

Re:Too much bullshit from Canonical (2)

millhouse513 (972911) | about a year ago | (#44353523)

and I have both a Dell AND Asus with Ubuntu on them -- they work fine.

Re:Too much bullshit from Canonical (1)

cervesaebraciator (2352888) | about a year ago | (#44353733)

He changes his complaint above to this:

"Dell announced plans today to offer Ubuntu Linux 7.04 preinstalled on "select consumer products." Dell has at various times offered some overpriced Linux options, but never a "budget" one. Dell currently offers a Ubuntu laptop for developers. [dell.com] It costs $1549 and will ship Real Soon Now. The same machine is available now with Windows [dell.com] for $999.

I'm responding to your comment on a budget Dell desktop that came with Ubuntu preinstalled. I used to have a Ubuntu netbook from Dell until an incident involving the overzealous use of a soldering iron...

Re:Too much bullshit from Canonical (4, Insightful)

composer777 (175489) | about a year ago | (#44353195)

It works great if the risk taker is poor or middle class and cash strapped, and I think that's what it is (or should be) intended for. Otherwise, I agree, it's ridiculous for a billionaire to use this method for funding, but that's why he's a billionaire (along with all the other billionaires). It's because he knows how to work the system and has few scruples.

Re:Too much bullshit from Canonical (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44353303)

Having a net worth of $500 million makes you a billionaire? Has the definition of billionaire changed recently?

Re:Too much bullshit from Canonical (1)

bluefoxlucid (723572) | about a year ago | (#44354135)

Yes, he has 0.5 billions of dollars.

Re:Too much bullshit from Canonical (4, Informative)

Again (1351325) | about a year ago | (#44353215)

Canonical has bullshitted too much in the past to be taken seriously about this. Several times, they've announced that new products from major vendors (Asus, Dell) would run their version of Linux. Never happened. They need to STFU until the product ships.

Who is voting up this dumbass?

http://en.community.dell.com/techcenter/os-applications/w/wiki/3685.dell-xps-13-laptop-developer-edition-a-client-to-cloud-solution-project-sputnik.aspx [dell.com]
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009F1I16K/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=B009F1I16K&linkCode=as2&tag=wwwcanoniccom-20#productDetails [amazon.com]

Re:Too much bullshit from Canonical (3, Informative)

kesuki (321456) | about a year ago | (#44353635)

i noticed alienware has the choice of ubuntu -- alienware is owned by dell and is their 'gaming' model line http://www.dell.com/us/p/alienware-x51-r2/pd.aspx [dell.com]

Re:Too much bullshit from Canonical (1)

MrEricSir (398214) | about a year ago | (#44353227)

Several times, they've announced that new products from major vendors (Asus, Dell) would run their version of Linux. Never happened.

[citation needed]

Re:Too much bullshit from Canonical (1)

Trax (93121) | about a year ago | (#44353233)

Here's a list of Ubuntu hardware partners including Dell and Asus and their products [ubuntu.com] . I'm not sure why you're blaming Canonical when the vendors are responsible for putting the hardware out.

Re:Too much bullshit from Canonical (1)

cervesaebraciator (2352888) | about a year ago | (#44353815)

I'm not sure why you're blaming Canonical [...]

Oh, you didn't get the memo. Since Bill the Borg disappeared from /. we've moved on from hating on Micro$oft. We're supposed to hate on Canonical now. So whether or not it's their fault, blame anonical.

How about no. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44352817)

Go ask Amazon...

Basic math (1)

Sarten-X (1102295) | about a year ago | (#44352879)

In order to meet the target, they have to sell at least 38096 of those 40,000 phones after the first day, and 1906 on the first. They have to sell at least 39,507 of them to meet their goal, if they're all at the higher price.

Ambitious goals.

Re:Basic math (1)

Sarten-X (1102295) | about a year ago | (#44352927)

1904 on the first day, I mean.

Re:Basic math (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44353443)

You might want to revisit elementary school and work on your basic math skills.

Re:Basic math (1)

Sarten-X (1102295) | about a year ago | (#44353567)

From the sell-them-all scenario: 38096 * $810 + 1904 * $600 = $32,000,160. Selling one more at the $600 level means they miss their goal.

From the sell-as-few-as-possible scenario: 39507 * $810 = $32,000,670. They can only have 493 phones unsold at the end of the campaign for it to meet the goal.

With regards to the necessary correction, I need to work on my remembering-numbers-while-switching-tabs skills.

Don't need (1)

Adult film producer (866485) | about a year ago | (#44352933)

Just bought a Z10 and I'm loving it. Everything that a smart phone should be and the battery life kicks ass. If I wasn't so paranoid about erased data being recovered I would probably sell my S3... so it'll sit on the shelf with the other antiquated hard drives and peripherals.

Re:Don't need (1)

Nerdfest (867930) | about a year ago | (#44353673)

If you use the built-in data encrypt option it will wipe your data quite thoroughly. You internal SD card is also an EXT based file syste, and you can wipe it using a USB link to a Linux machine if you wish.

Re:Don't need (1)

bluefoxlucid (723572) | about a year ago | (#44354149)

Flash it with Cyanogenmod, tell Clockwork to wipe the cache/data partitions, and sell it off. Nobody's going to buy your phone and extract your child pornography.

Exclusiveness (1)

malzfreund (1729864) | about a year ago | (#44352935)

It seems like a bit of a break with their philosophy. About Ubuntu says "The vision for Ubuntu is part social and part economic: free software, available free of charge to everybody on the same terms." Sure, they're talking about software there but a not exactly affordable phone for $600-810 still feels a bit odd.

Re:Exclusiveness (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44353099)

Their announced plans include a low-end phone as well. But launched through a carrier, not targeted to a geek audience on a crowd-funding site.

Canonical's business model. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44352939)

First to head off the Let Me Google That For You [lmgtfy.com] people, I want Slashdot user's opinions. Googlng tells me nothing - but some of you may have had direct dealings.

What is Canonical's business model? Yeah, yeah, yeah - it's a billionaire throwing money at something or another. No really. Billionaires DO NOT throw money around in "hopes" of anything.

Money is being made here and I'm not getting it.

Re:Canonical's business model. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44352987)

Shuttlecock aint a billionaire. Never has been. His net worth at its peak was around $575 million.

Re:Canonical's business model. (1)

Spy Handler (822350) | about a year ago | (#44353287)

Did you even click on any of the links? The top result is the Wikipedia page on Canonical.

I will summarize for you: Their business model: selling services. They wanna be like: Red Hat. Profits: none yet, but Shuttleworth says they are getting close to break-even.

"In a Guardian interview in May 2008, Mark Shuttleworth said that the Canonical business model was service provision and explained that Canonical was not yet close to profitability. Canonical also claimed it will wait for the business to turn into a profitable one within another 3 to 5 years. He regarded Canonical as positioning itself as demand for services related to free software rose.[14] This strategy has been compared to Red Hat's business strategies in the 1990s.[15] However, in an early 2009 New York Times article, Shuttleworth said that Canonical's revenue was "creeping" towards $30 million, the company's break-even point.[16]

In 2007, Canonical launched an International online shop selling support services and Ubuntu branded goods; later in 2008 it expanded that with a United States-specific shop designed to reduce shipment times.[17] At the same time, the word Ubuntu was trademarked in connection with clothing and accessories.[18]"

Re:Canonical's business model. (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#44353907)

If they would stop doing dumb shit with their server platform they would already be making money. Of course these days even RHEL wants to have a splashscreen instead of a boot you can watch.

1 mil per day?! (1)

SmartAboutThings (1951032) | about a year ago | (#44352943)

1 MILLION DOLLARS PER DAY, ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! Anyhow, enought with the screaming, as of now it has 50% of its first day's goal, but I guess it has to do with all the news that have been going around

WANT (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44352959)

What's not to love about this? A open source phone on an open hardware platform, with an open design and development process, on a converged OS. If they pull it off, it's the nirvana of phones. And there's no risk to you to contribute and help make it happen. With such an ambitious campaign, if they don't raise they funds it doesn't cost you more than about 5 minutes and 5 clicks. If they do raise the funds, well, Joy!

Re:WANT (1)

Lunix Nutcase (1092239) | about a year ago | (#44353015)

Since when is the hardware open? They've stated no such thing. It's going to have proprietary drivers and fitmware like every pther phone.

Re:WANT (1)

dos1 (2950945) | about a year ago | (#44353235)

If you're interested in open hardware platform, go for GTA04 - http://gta04.org/ [gta04.org]

Ubuntu for phones project never aimed to create open hardware phone.

Re:WANT (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#44353941)

The specs on that thing are a total joke.
It might have been interesting 3 years ago.

I want super phone specs and FOSS drivers. Preferably in the mainline kernel.

Re:WANT (1)

dstyle5 (702493) | about a year ago | (#44353255)

What's not to love about this?

Ubuntu

Re:WANT (0)

Jerry Atrick (2461566) | about a year ago | (#44353419)

How is the platform Microsoft stole most of the rejected and unloved ideas in Win8 and WP from any kind of nirvana? A company with a canned 'get over it' response to complaints?

Canonical isn't quite the last company I'd want designed a phone but there's not much in it.

Re:WANT (1)

Lunix Nutcase (1092239) | about a year ago | (#44353511)

What exactly did Microsoft "steal" from Ubuntu? The entire Metro UI and its live tiles, etc. predates Unity.

No keyboard? No Thanks! (1)

OrangeTide (124937) | about a year ago | (#44352975)

It's not a good form factor like the Psion Revo or HP 200LX. I don 't think I really want another smartphone, I barely use the three that I have.

Whoever gets there first... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44352979)

I have been waiting for Microsoft to do this very thing with Windows on an x86 "phone" device. I still run windows mobile 6.5 which is the closest thing to the Ubuntu goal. If Ubuntu gets there before Microsoft, I will adopt Linux on my phone and not look back.

Simply stated, I want a native code development environment and I want complete interchangeability between desktop and mobile environments.

I'm very excited about this product!!!

Only 40000? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44353113)

That means that there will be a rather limited user base, so there will be quite limited interest in developing applications for this thing. And that, in contrast, means that it will be mostly interesting to people who are eager to develop applications for their own use, but not interested in marketing them.

If they want this thing to fly, announcing right away that they are killing the project after initial delivery seems quite silly.

Crowdfunding?? (0, Troll)

DogDude (805747) | about a year ago | (#44353149)

Seriously? Now, private, for-profit companies are just asking people for cash? What kind of balls does it take to do that? And, somewhat related, what kind of idiot would give them money?

Re:Crowdfunding?? (4, Insightful)

Microlith (54737) | about a year ago | (#44353363)

Yeah, how dare companies attempt to crowd source things! Damn, I just put up $200 to a Japanese animation studio so they could extend a sequel to a short they did, what madness is this!? Haven't people realized that rather than showing support for things they like and want, they should just shut up and take what's given to them?

Obviously, we're all supposed to just buy whatever Android, iOS, or Windows Phone is on the market. Choice? What nonsense!

Re:Crowdfunding?? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44353433)

Unless Shuttlecock is broke, he could easily afford to make the 40,000 phones from his own cash. That he is panhandling is rather crass considering his net worth.

Re:Crowdfunding?? (1)

DogDude (805747) | about a year ago | (#44353819)

Brilliant! You paid for their market research for them! You're so smart! Congratulations on your gift! I'm sure that one of the executives of the company really appreciates it! Want to give my company some money, too?

Re:Crowdfunding?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44353375)

Kickstarter was the proof of concept for that model. Now if you have a startup company you just beg online for free money, and you have no investors breathing down your neck for 25% annual returns. People really have become stupid enough to just give money to already-wealthy developers.

Re:Crowdfunding?? (2)

Microlith (54737) | about a year ago | (#44353451)

Now if you have a startup company you just beg online for free money, and you have no investors breathing down your neck for 25% annual returns.

Because every company needs investors, right? Why can't those investors just be the first customers looking to get in early? How is this a bad thing?

People really have become stupid enough to just give money to already-wealthy developers.

What the fuck does this matter? Isn't something like this a perfect gauge for early-adopter interest?

Re:Crowdfunding?? (0)

DogDude (805747) | about a year ago | (#44353953)

Because every company needs investors, right? Why can't those investors just be the first customers looking to get in early? How is this a bad thing?

It's only bad for the people dumb enough to give somebody money with no strings attached and call it "investing".

Re:Crowdfunding?? (2)

Charles Duffy (2856687) | about a year ago | (#44353431)

Seriously? Now, private, for-profit companies are just asking people for cash? What kind of balls does it take to do that? And, somewhat related, what kind of idiot would give them money?

Someone who wants to live in a world where the product they're proposing to build exists, I'd expect?

Re:Crowdfunding?? (1)

DogDude (805747) | about a year ago | (#44353903)

Those of us with some sense of fiscal sanity generally call that "investing". Crowdsourcing is unrelated to investing.

Re:Crowdfunding?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44353723)

I don't see how this is much different from pre-ordering the latest console, except more lag time between cash payout and getting your device. The only question would be whether or not you get a refund if they don't meet their funding goal.

Introducing the new Slashdot Phone! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44353159)

Get hourly updates featuring
-Vague laws misinterpreted by engineers to be threats to privacy/civil liberties
-The latest release of every obscure Linux distro and its shortcomings compared to 10 other distros
-Factually spurious articles about the death of the IT industry.
-Philosophical flame wars about the validity of alternative energy/electric cars
-Mental masturbation regarding drones/macs/climate change
-Hypothetical discussions of Rasberry Pi created by Arduino driven 3-D printers purchased with BitCoins.
-Windows 8 trolling

Fully compatible with
¦Android
¦BlackBerry 10
¦iOS
¦Nokia Asha
¦Sailfish OS
¦Windows Phone
¦Windows RT
¦Bada
¦BlackBerry OS
¦Grid OS
¦Linux
¦Mer
¦S40
¦Brew
¦SHR
¦Symbian
¦webOS
¦Tizen
¦FireFox Fone

*Unicode support included in a future update

Re:Introducing the new Slashdot Phone! (1)

GovCheese (1062648) | about a year ago | (#44353229)

Can I get an app that generates car analogies?

Re:Introducing the new Slashdot Phone! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44353901)

In Soviet Russia, car analogies generate app

Capitalism in the 21st Century (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44353199)

Welcome to Capitalism in the 21st Century: socialize risks, privatize profits (hey, it worked for many US companies in 2008).

This opinion (mine) applies to all crowdfunded projects, but this one takes it further.

Paying 600 quid for a day-1 release of an unproved device is nuts!!! Not even the most rabid Ubuntu fanboy would shell out that kind of dough. Shuttleworth needs to understand that Ubuntu != Apple.

The website (0)

CrAlt (3208) | about a year ago | (#44353247)

Why don't they do a fundraiser to hire someone to secure their website?

If they can't get that right then how do they plan on making a secure smartphone?

Looks nice but bridges burnt? (4, Interesting)

Duncan J Murray (1678632) | about a year ago | (#44353327)

The problem is that the 'enthusiasts' who would be contributing to this have just recently had several slaps to the face from Canonical in the form of window buttons, unity, unity & unity. And amazon shopping lenses. 'This is not a democracy' is still rings in the ears. Now Canonical realise that they need the enthusiasts, who's toes they stepped on, to help with this venture into the mobile space.

To be honest, I hope they succeed. I think the concept of a phone that doubles as a desktop could very well be the future of the desktop computer for many people. The hardware also looks very nice (which is a necessity to tempt anyone off android/ios) - I agree with Shuttleworth that mobile screen resolution is getting out of hand, and I'd much rather the colourful OLED displays than the ridiculously high res LCDs (which then look laggy because the graphics can't keep up - see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmywUhu2Pus [youtube.com] ) and a sapphire glass screen sounds interesting (though will it be as strong as gorilla glass - I doubt it).

I wonder how many of us would have paid up if Nokia had done this with the N950?

Re:Looks nice but bridges burnt? (2)

Rich0 (548339) | about a year ago | (#44353503)

a sapphire glass screen sounds interesting (though will it be as strong as gorilla glass - I doubt it)

Depends on your definition of "strong." If you're going to drop your phone and have it impact a hard surface, then the gorilla glass is probably superior. If you're going to stick the phone in your pocket next to your keys, the sapphire will be FAR superior, unless you have a diamond-studded keychain. Sapphire is very difficult to scratch due to its hardness.

Re:Looks nice but bridges burnt? (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#44354097)

Keys will not scratch a decent smartphone anyway. They are made of very soft metal. Gorilla glass is pretty brittle too. Harder than sand is what we need.

Re:Looks nice but bridges burnt? (5, Interesting)

briancox2 (2417470) | about a year ago | (#44353603)

And yet, within less than 12 hours, they've hit 3/4 of a million US dollars. Watching them over a 10 minute period, after this story went live on Slashdot, they've gone from $650,000 to $750,000. I think the enthusiasts are onboard.

Keep in mind that the enthusiasts for this project go beyond the Ubuntu Desktop OS enthusiasts. I am a dedicated Ubuntu Desktop OS hater. I'm a Linux Mint guy myself. But I want to see a pure Linux desktop OS succeed on mobile, because it opens the door for others to follow. Rooting your Ubuntu Phone could create a massive amount of ROM flashing options.

The phone that launches a full desktop when docked (and has 128 GB of storage!) is a game changer in the mobile market. So, fanbois of any stripe can be an enthusiast for this project.

Re:Looks nice but bridges burnt? (3, Interesting)

Duncan J Murray (1678632) | about a year ago | (#44354133)

I will admit that if I see anyone with one of these Ubuntu phones, I'm going to be quite a smidgen jealous!

D

Free as in... um... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44353459)

Free as in $32 million, huh? Yeah... I have a feeling that's $32,000,000 destined to disappear into the Ethernet.

Re:Free as in... um... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44354003)

No kidding. They're going to buy an already-available hardware platform from one of the big manufacturers like LG or Samsung and put their O/S on it, and you'll happily pay EIGHT HUNDRED DOLLARS for the "privilege" of owning something so exclusive and rare.

Puh-leeze.

Re:Free as in... um... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44354055)

Considering the cost of an unsubsidized halo phone, a 600$ vapor phone is not too bad.

No thanks Gnome (0, Troll)

Dan Askme (2895283) | about a year ago | (#44353755)

Quote from http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge [indiegogo.com]
"For a phone to run a full desktop OS, it must have the raw power of a PC. We’ll choose the fastest available multi-core processor, at least 4GB of RAM and a massive 128GB of storage."

Instead of coding Gnome with efficiency in mind, or, any common sense. Just put the fastest parts you can in a phone to hide its terrible code and performance?

Yeah, honestly, what a joke this is.
Whats wrong with android? Nothing!
Gnome+Ubuntu mobile will just be a slower/buggier/bloater version of android, which is already near-perfect.

$32 million to make this happen, best of luck. If it succeeds, it will just confirm the world is mostly full of idiots.

wrong means of funding (0)

nimbius (983462) | about a year ago | (#44353763)

crowdsourcing implies you're enticing me with a service or product i want that i dont have. iphone, ipad, android and to a lesser extent windows phone already provide me with a means to consume advertisements and participate in a walled garden. If canonicals intent is to build me a phone i want to use, then it needs to take a few hundred steps back and explain to me how forwarding search information to amazon.com is in any way helpful in respecting or preserving my privacy.

crowdsourcing also implies you cant afford to do this on your own, but you also dont have investment potential in a legitimate public market. To date Canonical has declared 30 million in revenue, which seems to suggest it could entice investors or backers if it went public and issued stock, which is what companies do when they want to expand. starting a kickstarter seems like a cheap pitch by canonical to trick people into paying for something that will just take advantage of them through the same invasive advertising and privacy violation used by three other device manufacturers to varying degrees of success in order to further profit

Win8 Ubuntu (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44353869)

As a long time Linux user, I'd go for Windows 8 on my desktop rather than Ubuntu.

Ubuntu is fine, so long as its on a server and I don't have to interact with the gui. (I've never liked Gnome, and like Unity even less. )

...or not (1)

AdamWill (604569) | about a year ago | (#44353877)

"Canonical has kicked off a crowdfunding campaign to raise $32 million in 30 days to make its own smartphone, called Ubuntu Edge, that can also hook up to a monitor and be used as a PC."

Or, alternatively, some other shit:

"Specifications are subject to change."

So, you know, you could really wind up with anything. The campaign keeps talking about a prototype device, but unless I'm missing it, none of the videos actually shows a working phone - the brief plug-in desktop demo in the 'introducing the hardware' video is using a Nexus of some kind, I think.

So what they apparently have is some bits of code, some shiny renders, and an entirely notional spec sheet.

They just crossed 1M$ already! (3, Interesting)

photonic (584757) | about a year ago | (#44354153)

They already hit the first million in just a few hours since the story hit the big media. Refreshing a few times, they seem to do about 200k$ per hour right now, so I guess they might easily sell the first 5000 phones at the reduced price. It was probably a good idea to trigger some people into a quick decision by lowering the price on the first day, so that they can realease a press release tomorrow saying they hit their first target. It will be hard to keep the same pace in the next 30 days, though ...
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