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Google Launches Cloud Printer Service For Windows

Unknown Lamer posted 1 year,2 days | from the not-invented-here dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Google today announced it is bringing its Cloud Print project to Windows. The company has launched both a driver and a service, both of which are available for download now from Google Tools. For those who don't know, Google Cloud Print connects Cloud Print-aware applications (across the Web, desktop, and mobile) to any printer. It integrates with the mobile versions of Gmail and Google Docs, and is also listed as a printer option in the Print Preview page of Chrome." One of the things that annoys me about Android: having to print through the Cloud (tm) when I have an Internet Printing Protocol CUPS server on the same network as my phone connected to a printer ten feet from me. It wouldn't be so bad if the Google Cloud Print libraries weren't proprietary and did something like IPP proxying instead of using a similarly proprietary API.

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135 comments

Ads in the middle of your print jobs (5, Funny)

blarkon (1712194) | 1 year,2 days | (#44357501)

Will the advertisements be in the middle of your print jobs or printed to the side?

Re:Ads in the middle of your print jobs (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#44357915)

it won't be on the same page, but you might experience some lag due to NSA snooping

So will NSA get it then? (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#44358053)

I've always wondered with Cloud Print, it is routed through Google servers?? So Google and NSA sees everything you print?

i.e. it's not just some sort of exchange of IP addresses and port numbers, it's an actual man-in-the-middle attack on printing? You print to the printer in Epson in your house and it actually routes the thing through Google/NSA data center?

Really??

Re: So will NSA get it then? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#44358073)

... Yup.

Re:Ads in the middle of your print jobs (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#44358245)

What all things fall from the cloud these days!

Re:Ads in the middle of your print jobs (4, Insightful)

Demonantis (1340557) | 1 year,2 days | (#44358611)

They will just cancel it a few years down the road when they realize they can't monetize it. After destroying the competition. Leaving everyone who liked it angry and wondering what the hell they are going to do. Sorry I'm still mad about Reader.

Re:Ads in the middle of your print jobs (3, Informative)

Cinder6 (894572) | 1 year,2 days | (#44358623)

Use Feedly? I switched with absolutely zero issues. In fact, my RSS app updated, said I should switch to Feedly, and all I had to do was click a button and log in with my Google account. It was the most painless migration I've ever experienced. I'm aware that's no longer available, but the service itself is good, though there have been a couple of short outages due to maintenance.

Re:Ads in the middle of your print jobs (1)

Demonantis (1340557) | 1 year,2 days | (#44358717)

I switched to theoldreader. I am really happy with it. It took a while to find a replacement though. Its just frustrating to watch google open up more projects after saying they were trying to be more focused on what they offer.

Re:Ads in the middle of your print jobs (1)

citizenr (871508) | 1 year,2 days | (#44358985)

cant monetize? are you joking? this is pure gold - they scan every print job for keywords and save that data for eternity.

Re:Ads in the middle of your print jobs (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#44359155)

Try inoreader, I was int he same position as you and found this. Works better for me than feedly or oldreader as it uses the same keys and has some nifty features

Remember when ... (4, Insightful)

BitZtream (692029) | 1 year,2 days | (#44357503)

Google supported existing open APIs instead of pulling a Microsoft and inventing their own for everything and dropping support for open APIs?

Whats next to be replaced by some Google specific protocol for Google users? SMTP?

Re:Remember when ... (4, Insightful)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | 1 year,2 days | (#44357671)

Whats next to be replaced by some Google specific protocol for Google users? SMTP?

Don't be dramatic. Google is not going to replace SMTP.

They're just going to require your email recipients first be added to one of your Google+ circles.

Re:Remember when ... (4, Funny)

Jarik C-Bol (894741) | 1 year,2 days | (#44357885)

I'm forfeiting being able to use mod points here just to say there needs to be a "+1 Horrifying, but probably true." option.

Re:Remember when ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#44358875)

+1... that's a Google Plus thing, right?

And thus the NSA drama begins (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#44358323)

all your bases r belong to us

Re:Remember when ... (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#44357869)

We can only hope. We need a protocol that has encryption and sender verification built into it rather than all this crap layered on top of SMTP.

Maybe if Google made a new protocol people would actually adopt it.

Re:Remember when ... (1)

pitchpipe (708843) | 1 year,2 days | (#44358061)

Whats next to be replaced by some Google specific protocol for Google users? SMTP?

SHIT

The new Google toilet will analyze your bowel movement in the cloud. It will look for signs of disease, figure out what you last ate, and where and who you ate it with (using location based awareness). Then, using a synthesis of powerful AI data-mining and machine learning coupling your search history with a list of the contents of your emails and contacts, it will figure out whether you are a pedophile/terrorist/atheist or don't support government spying, and forward this intelligence to your girlfriend/FBI/NSA/CIA/TSA/TLA.

Re:Remember when ... (3, Interesting)

fluffy99 (870997) | 1 year,2 days | (#44358595)

Google supported existing open APIs instead of pulling a Microsoft and inventing their own for everything and dropping support for open APIs?

Whats next to be replaced by some Google specific protocol for Google users? SMTP?

No they didn't Go read the fucking article and do some homework. They WROTE THEIR OWN API! They are also telling developers how to write drivers for existing printers to support receiving the print jobs, instead of actually using existing protocols like IPP. https://developers.google.com/cloud-print/docs/receiveJobs [google.com] https://developers.google.com/cloud-print/docs/proxyinterfaces [google.com]

I wonder it Google has a long range plan to get all printers Google-Cloud-Printing enabled, and then have your device auto-selecting the closest printer (not necessarily your own) based on your geo location? I still shudder at the privacy issues.

Re:Remember when ... (1)

ducomputergeek (595742) | 1 year,2 days | (#44360053)

More likely: CUPS is owned and supported by Apple. Can't be seen to using an Apple maintained system for printing with android now can we...

Congrats, Unknown Lamer... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#44357519)

You're 1 of 2 people who can get CUPS a) setup and b) working well enough to not just spew ink with a real printer.

Re:Congrats, Unknown Lamer... (3, Insightful)

0123456 (636235) | 1 year,2 days | (#44357533)

You're 1 of 2 people who can get CUPS a) setup and b) working well enough to not just spew ink with a real printer.

Says the person who apparently hasn't used Linux since 1993.

Back on topic, presumably Google won't support CUPS, because the NSA wants a copy of everything we print as well as everything we email.

Re:Congrats, Unknown Lamer... (1)

modmans2ndcoming (929661) | 1 year,2 days | (#44357683)

which the NSA can get by taping Google's ISP without Google's consent....Try paying attention.

Re:Congrats, Unknown Lamer... (2)

0123456 (636235) | 1 year,2 days | (#44357695)

which the NSA can get by taping Google's ISP without Google's consent....Try paying attention.

How exactly are they going to tap my printing if it goes over my local LAN to a CUPS printer?

Try paying attention to the discusion.

Re:Congrats, Unknown Lamer... (0)

countach (534280) | 1 year,2 days | (#44357733)

Google and/or Microsoft will put code in the driver to divert a copy to the NSA.

You Must Not Know Much About Physics. (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#44357959)

It's not like I don't understand cryptography, but my client Wiebetech got flamed by the "Pros" at the MacWorld Expo back in the day.

They were very excited that I'd implemented FireWire Encrypt hard drive AES encryption in ARM assembly code in the Oxford 911 storage bridge firmware. That enabled us to secure your external drives without the need of a driver, just a simple OS X GUI to enter your password, then transmit it over a proprietary FireWire protocol to the drive.

After confirming the password, the drive performed a bus reset, then appeared on the bus as an SBP-2/RBC storage device, as if unencrypted.

However, because I had a bit of a hard time getting that assembly code right - I called it "The Data Motel" until my encryptor and decryptor were BOTH fully debugged - James Wiebe appeared at the show, with my GUI transmitting the passphrase to the firmware in cleartext.

Now see if you can figure out why I'm calling you a damn fool.

As my father once said of his work at Mare Island Naval Shipyard:

"Every time we install a new computer, we have to wait for three months for someone to fly out from Washington, then another month while he spends a solid month before he is willing to "bless" it."

It was plainly apparent to me what he meant by "blessing" a computer at a Nuclear Submarine maintenance shipyard, but the proper term for "bless" was classified way, way about Top Secret, with the actual name of that classification being itself classified.

Perhaps you can take High School Physics at your local adult school, you knew where you'd go to study for your G.E.D. If not, I'm sure your local community college could fix you right up.

Re:Congrats, Unknown Lamer... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#44358217)

which the NSA can get by taping Google's ISP without Google's consent....Try paying attention.

Don't be naive... Google *IS* the NSA.

You want CUPS? Use a Mac! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#44357801)

The reason it Just Works to print on just about any printer, without having to install any manner of driver, is that OS X has all the CUPS drivers bundled. They are regularly updated as well through Software Update. I've never had a problem with printing on OS X.

Not the first time but the second time I printed something on a laser printer, I asked a friend to print out some manner of UNIX manual for me, a lengthy book.

He said, "We better go look at the printer. Sometimes it prints out the Postscript verbatim, rather than rendering it."

That was on a BSD VAX.

Good Times.

Re:Congrats, Unknown Lamer... (1)

WillKemp (1338605) | 1 year,2 days | (#44359387)

CUPS didn't even exist in 1993! It was lpd back then. I don't remember when CUPS first popped up in RedHat or whatever i was using at the time, but it was as long time after 1993.

Re:Congrats, Unknown Lamer... (5, Informative)

BitZtream (692029) | 1 year,2 days | (#44357561)

Every Mac user on the planet who prints ... does it through CUPs.

I.E. there are more CUPS users than Linux users.

Want to try again?

Re:Congrats, Unknown Lamer... (1, Insightful)

ArchieBunker (132337) | 1 year,2 days | (#44357605)

Only because Apple made it work properly and added a GUI instead of text files that bomb with a misplaced comma or tab.

Re:Congrats, Unknown Lamer... (1)

Trepidity (597) | 1 year,2 days | (#44357643)

So why couldn't Google do that?

Re:Congrats, Unknown Lamer... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#44357655)

It worked 8 years ago just fine. I remember early Mandrake linux had that shit nailed down.

Re:Congrats, Unknown Lamer... (4, Informative)

niftydude (1745144) | 1 year,2 days | (#44357789)

Only because Apple made it work properly and added a GUI instead of text files that bomb with a misplaced comma or tab.

Wow - you really haven't used linux in the last decade or so, have you?

Find a computer with an install of any of the major linux distributions, fire up a web browser, and point it to http://localhost:631/ [localhost]

You'll find local and network printer search and configuration, default paper and printer settings, print queues, pretty much everything you need, all in a nice pretty gui.

Re:Congrats, Unknown Lamer... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#44357905)

Only because Apple made it work properly and added a GUI instead of text files that bomb with a misplaced comma or tab.

Wow - you really haven't used linux in the last decade or so, have you?

Find a computer with an install of any of the major linux distributions, fire up a web browser, and point it to http://localhost:631/ [localhost]
 

Are you serious? How on earth would a normal person figure out that printing is on port 631? I use Linux eight hours a day at work, and for programming I wouldn't use anything else, but even I use a mac when I need things to work. A web server running on a port I would never find is not a reasonable place for a UI most users need to discover.

Re:Congrats, Unknown Lamer... (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#44358015)

Are you serious? How on earth would a normal person figure out that printing is on port 631?

IPP has been a IETF standard for over 13 years. [wikipedia.org]

Re:Congrats, Unknown Lamer... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#44358785)

Yes, Windows 2000 came with it turned on by default. Just in case some friendly person on the internet wanted to send you a malformed print job.

In any case, the CUPS admin screen is not IPP.

Re:Congrats, Unknown Lamer... (3, Interesting)

amiga3D (567632) | 1 year,2 days | (#44358033)

I think most newbies just use the hand dandy printer wizard. I set up Ultimate Linux for one guy and he later bought a printer. He called me about what to do with the cd that came with it and I told him to pull the pdf off of it and then throw it away. I explained to look for the picture of the printer on the settings menu and about 2 minutes later he was happily printing away. Even I don't use cups page anymore. I will say that if you own a canon printer it prints about 3 times faster on a mac than on linux. I love the printer but I'm starting to hate canon. Next printer will be from HP. Canon can suck my dick.

Web Interface is Disabled

The web interface is currently disabled. Run "cupsctl WebInterface=yes" to enable it.

Re:Congrats, Unknown Lamer... (1)

blackest_k (761565) | 1 year,2 days | (#44358951)

HP is mostly ok, but I cannot get borderless prints with my Hp under Linux, Virtualbox and XP no problem at all.

I guess i'm asking too much for lab quality prints from an old inkjet.
 

Re:Congrats, Unknown Lamer... (4, Insightful)

TheRaven64 (641858) | 1 year,2 days | (#44359057)

How on earth would a normal person figure out that printing is on port 631?

One of two ways:

  • RTFM.
  • Click on the helpful link to http://localhost:631/ [localhost] that is named 'Printer Setup' and put on your desktop or in a menu by your desktop environment of choice.

Seriously, your complaint makes as much sense as asking 'How on earth would a normal person figure out that you browse the web by running iexplore.exe?'

Re:Congrats, Unknown Lamer... (2)

ltwally (313043) | 1 year,2 days | (#44358027)

"Find a computer with an install of any of the major linux distributions, fire up a web browser, and point it to http://localhost:631/ [localhost] "

In the main, that works. However, it should be noted that support for CUPS-HTTP-ADMIN varies from distribution to distribution, and even from version to version.

What I find (seriously) annoying is that if CUPS-HTTP-ADMIN is enabled, it's always defaulted to localhost only. That may be fine for a desktop... but in case no one ever told the CUPS folks (and the folks creating server linux distros), sometimes linux is used on servers.

To that end, here is my own cheat-sheet on getting CUPS-HTTP-ADMIN on the LAN:

# add the following to cupsd.conf

# to the Listen section, attach port 631 to all NICs
Port 631

# place outside of any other sections, enable Web Interface
WebInterface Yes

# place outside of any other sections, disable HTTPS
DefaultEncryption Never

# to <Location />
Allow all

# to <Location /admin>
Allow all

# to <Location /admin/conf>
Allow all

Yes, it's in shorthand. No, it's not super-duper-secure. Because I have yet to see CUPS-HTTP-ADMIN be an actual attack vector. No, this is obviously not for a public facing linux box.

PS, don't forget to open up TCP 631 on whatever firewall is on your linux machine.

Re:Congrats, Unknown Lamer... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#44358529)

localhost only is the sane default. A server admin should know how to forward port 631 via ssh; i.e.,

ssh -L localhost:631:localhost:631 print-server-name

I really don't understand why in the world you're exposing this kind of control over the network all the time. It's kind of scary, TBH.

Re:Congrats, Unknown Lamer... (1)

printman (54032) | 1 year,2 days | (#44359681)

We default to localhost for security reasons - most systems are clients/not sharing printers, so why expose your system to the world/office?

Run "cupsctl --remote-admin --remote-any --share-printers WebInterface=Yes" after you install to enable remote access, share printers, and enable the web interface. Add "DefaultEncryption=Never" if you don't want to use SSL/TLS (although personally I don't recommend that - encryption comes "for free" these days...)

Re:Congrats, Unknown Lamer... (1)

loosescrews (1916996) | 1 year,2 days | (#44358855)

This works on Macs too. The Mac power user I know always sets up printers on Macs with the web interface.

Re:Congrats, Unknown Lamer... (1)

Joining Yet Again (2992179) | 1 year,2 days | (#44359015)

Which you then wire into samba, which you then connect to with a Windows 8 box, which half the time just doesn't print anything. And then, when it doesn't, are there any clear error messages in the cups log? in the samba log? No. When a job starts but does not complete, it stands to reason that I don't want either no error message or a thousand unit debug messages, but something tracing the path of a failure up the call stack from where it's first found. It is annoying when developers cater only for 1) themselves; 2) the user whose system works perfectly first time.

I've never understood why print software has become so universally awful. Printing is *not* a particularly complex thing. It's the lack of transaction robustness which really grates me.

Re:Congrats, Unknown Lamer... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#44359599)

I clicked you link, but nothings happening

Is my Windows install broken ?

Re:Congrats, Unknown Lamer... (3, Informative)

johnw (3725) | 1 year,2 days | (#44359945)

Only because Apple made it work properly and added a GUI instead of text files that bomb with a misplaced comma or tab.

Wow - you really haven't used linux in the last decade or so, have you?

Find a computer with an install of any of the major linux distributions, fire up a web browser, and point it to http://localhost:631/ [localhost]

You exaggerate the difficulties of setting up a printer using CUPS and a modern Linux distribution. ;-)

I just did a little experiment. I'm sitting in a holiday house borrowed from friends, using my trusty Lenovo laptop running Debian Squeeze. Next to me on the bench is a printer - I've never used it before and it's been covered with a cloth up until the start of the experiment.

I removed the cloth, powered up the printer, and then plugged the USB lead into my laptop. About 10 seconds later a dialogue box appeared on my desktop saying, "A new printer has come into existence. Do you want to use this driver?". I answered yes. It then said, "Do you want to print a test page?" Again I said yes, and shortly afterwards there appeared a perfectly formatted colour test page.

I'm not sure it can be made much easier than this.

John

Re:Congrats, Unknown Lamer... (1)

niftydude (1745144) | 1 year,2 days | (#44360143)

You exaggerate the difficulties of setting up a printer using CUPS and a modern Linux distribution. ;-)

I removed the cloth, powered up the printer, and then plugged the USB lead into my laptop. About 10 seconds later a dialogue box appeared on my desktop saying, "A new printer has come into existence. Do you want to use this driver?". I answered yes. It then said, "Do you want to print a test page?" Again I said yes, and shortly afterwards there appeared a perfectly formatted colour test page.

I'm not sure it can be made much easier than this.

John

Ok - even I didn't know things had progressed that far! In my defence, the only USB-only printer I own is plugged into my router so that it can pretend to be a network printer. It's probably been years since I last configured a USB printer on a linux desktop distro :-)

Re:Congrats, Unknown Lamer... (1)

ducomputergeek (595742) | 1 year,2 days | (#44360149)

As the parent said: Apple created an easy to use GUI and made it work. He didn't say just the Printer Dialog in OSX. Remember the world of printing in Linux prior to Apple taking over CUPS? I do. As much as it's cool to rip apple on /. these days, the next time you can easily attach and use a printer in *iux remember to thank the folks at Apple.

Re:Congrats, Unknown Lamer... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#44359137)

What the fuck?

On what planet is a cumbersome, inflexible, feature-lacking dumbed-down GUI superior to a simple text file??
The text file can be edited in *any* editor (there you have your stupid GUI), can be extended with no work, is nice and comfortable to edit, has its documentation right with it, has *all* the options available, and is *scriptable*. (As in: Suitable for actual computer users!)
And no, it won't "bomb" on a simple tab.

Only a complete retard would seriously suggest a GUI is preferable. If you can't handle a text file, THEN WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING, TOUCHING THE MOST POWERFUL MACHINE ANY NORMAL HUMAN WILL EVER TOUCH?? You're *clearly* not fit to use one. Go get some fixed-function gadget/appliance, you backwards troglodyte!

Re:Congrats, Unknown Lamer... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#44360119)

Only because Apple made it work properly and added a GUI instead of text files that bomb with a misplaced comma or tab.

You mean like Ubuntu Linux provides CUPS administration via a webpage? Setting up networked printers is a breeze with CUPS via the webpage on my local computer. Heck I even set-up CUPS command-line only on a server and it worked flawlessly and almost too easily. GNU/Linux has come a long way since the early 1990s.

Re:Congrats, Unknown Lamer... (1)

iluvcapra (782887) | 1 year,2 days | (#44358977)

Every Mac user on the planet who prints ... does it through CUPs.

It gets better: Every computer user on the planet who prints through CUPS... is using Apple-owned software [slashdot.org] .

Re:Congrats, Unknown Lamer... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#44357577)

There's a How-To video online. Search for "Two Girls, One CUPS."

Re:Congrats, Unknown Lamer... (1)

dAzED1 (33635) | 1 year,2 days | (#44357925)

wow, does that make the other person? I remember having to fuss with it some in the 90s, but since then it pretty much just automagically works every time I have to set one up...

IPP/CUPS printing (2)

Grishnakh (216268) | 1 year,2 days | (#44357525)

Would it be possible for alternative Android rom makers like CyanogenMod to replace or augment Google's cloud-printing service with printing directly to your IPP-capable printer or CUPS print server when connected to your home network?

It seems like it should be possible for someone to make a custom rom set that eliminates a lot of the Google spyware stuff and makes Android closer to just plain Linux-on-your-phone, while still being compatible with all the Android apps.

Re:IPP/CUPS printing (2)

_merlin (160982) | 1 year,2 days | (#44357623)

Samsung TouchWiz phones will print without any "cloud" involvement, but only to certain models of Samsung printer, which unfortunately excludes by slightly older but still rock solid CLP550N.

Re:IPP/CUPS printing (1)

Nerdfest (867930) | 1 year,2 days | (#44357631)

You can run Cyanogen, etc, with no Google interactions at all. You can do the same for most of the stock Android devices as well, just skip the Google sign-in.

Re:IPP/CUPS printing (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#44357797)

Well, their are a number of options for printing to a CUPS printer from Android. This one works just fine:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.blackspruce.lpd

Remote CUPS look OK

JfCupsPrint looks OK

I would say you have a few options to do this.

Would I rather see CUPS built in to make it "just work"? YES! I bet we would see a LOT of printers suddenly shipping with built-in CUPS servers if this were to happen. And I would love to see built in SANE support as well (insanescanner is out, but not the same as built in support).

Re:IPP/CUPS printing (5, Informative)

niftydude (1745144) | 1 year,2 days | (#44357831)

There is an app in the play store that does this Let's Print Droid [google.com] (lpd :-) ). From the description:

If you have a business grade laser or print server (CUPS,LPR,SAMBA, etc) , the app will talk directly to them without any off-site conversion. No print data leaves your local network unless you choose the GCP (Google Cloud Print) option. (This app is not NSA approved ;-)

Great ! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#44357563)

Now I can share everything I print with the NSA too!

Thanks google!

It would be helpful... (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#44357581)

... if Google announced the date this service will be discontinued so my business partners won't be crying like they have about Chrome Frame and Google Reader.

PrinterShare (3, Informative)

rueger (210566) | 1 year,2 days | (#44357593)

One of the things that annoys me about Android: having to print through the Cloud ... to a printer ten feet from me

Sure it would be lovely to have easy printing built into Android, but honestly I've found that PrinterShare [google.com] works just fine.

Confidential documents (1)

tftp (111690) | 1 year,2 days | (#44357621)

I guess Google wants to have access now to the traditional hardcopy documents that you provide to your tax accountant and your banker.

The world is quickly separating into two stable groups: Google fans and Google haters. The latter started as the former, but got better.

Re:Confidential documents (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#44358515)

Indeed; if your work has anything at all to do with HIPAA then you MUST avoid Google Cloud Printing:

Do you keep copies of all the documents I send to print?

Yes, but only for so long as the printing job is active and not complete. We have to do this to make sure your document gets printed. Once the job is complete, the document is deleted from our servers.

https://support.google.com/cloudprint/?hl=en#2541881

Re:Confidential documents (1)

tftp (111690) | 1 year,2 days | (#44358589)

That would be the legal requirement. However there are many businesses (like all) that don't want to send all their printed documents to a man on the cloud.

YOU'RE FIRED !!! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#44357635)

Sorry for fucking you over, you should've used Tor!

Your pal,

Needles

Barak Hussein Obama IS Trayvon Martin (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#44357641)

Trayvon Martin, the black youth who was killed is Barak Hussein Obama!

From Wikipedia:

The fatal shooting of Trayvon Martin by George Zimmerman took place on the night of February 26, 2012, in Sanford, Florida, United States. Martin was a 17-year-old African American high school student. George Zimmerman, a 28-year-old mixed-race Hispanic, was the neighborhood watch coordinator for the gated community where Martin was temporarily staying and where the shooting took place.[2][3][4] Following an earlier call from Zimmerman, police arrived within two minutes of a gunshot during a scuffle, in which Zimmerman had fatally shot Martin. Zimmerman was taken into custody, treated for head injuries, then questioned for five hours. The police chief said that Zimmerman was released for lack of evidence and lack of legal grounds for arrest, and that Zimmerman had a right to defend himself with lethal force.[5] However, six weeks later, amidst what some have described as a "media circus"[6][7][8] atmosphere with some misleading reporting,[9][10] Zimmerman was charged with murder by a special prosecutor appointed by Governor Rick Scott.[11][12]

Trayvon wanted something from George!

What did Trayvon want from George so much that Trayvon risked his life to get?

Barak Hussein Obama wants information for all legal citizens of the U.S.A.

Barak Hussein Obama will do anything to get the information he wants, i.e. the information he THINKS he wants, at any cost ... to the Department of Treasury knowing that the Department of Justice, meaning Mr. Eric Holder, is in his pocket, i.e. Barak has impunity from ANY law.

So Barak has set into motion efforts by NSA, with blessings from FISA which he owns, DNI which he owns and the Supreme Court which he owns.

Barak is now on top of the U.S.A. (citizen) and punching the living daylights out of him to get what he wants.

The U.S.A. then pulls a pistol and fires into Barak's tee-shirt covered chest. Imagine the smell of marijuana on Barak's breath!

Barak Hussein Obama IS Trayvon Martin.

Tread Lightly, Friend: You Just Committed a Felony (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#44357875)

"It's illegal to threaten the President, even if you're joking."
-- The Mayor of Carmel, portraying a Secret Service agent in Line of Fire.

For committing an offense against a "Covered Person" - there are more than just the President - at Kuro5hin back in the day, a couple of Secret Service agent turned up at his place of work not long after. I'm not certain it was the very next day, but it might have been.

It's open source (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#44357677)

If you want it to print to CUPS, make it do so.

Android local printing (2)

magarity (164372) | 1 year,2 days | (#44357689)

"One of the things that annoys me about Android: having to print through the Cloud"

A networked Samsung printer can print on your local network from an Android device via Samsung's print app.

Re:Android local printing (1)

ducomputergeek (595742) | 1 year,2 days | (#44360097)

I wonder if Google has realized that Samsung is now the greatest threat to Android and not Apple. I know in building mobile Apps we've changed our policy from testing on the Google Devices, additional handset QA extra to testing "Android" on Galaxy SIII, S4, and Galaxy Tab as that's now what most of our clients now identify as "Android".

Samsung is not a small company and I'm wondering how long it will be until they say, "So long and thanks for the OS. We're forking and replacing your services with our own."

Yeah, for how long? (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#44357701)

As much as the privacy concerns, I'd be worried that they'll shrug and suddenly decide to 'pull the plug' a year after I incorporate it into my routine. This is too low-level of a function to hand over to a bunch of easily distracted next-big-thing buccaneers.

Wow wow wow! (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#44357743)

Wow, they reinvented spam and printer sharing?! What an innovative company!

Do HP OfficeJet "Device WiFI" Have Security? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#44357771)

Everywhere I go, I find that a damn OfficeJet has the strongest 802.11x signal anywhere in the vicinity. I am beginning to suspect that, in reality, The Ministry of State Security of the People's Republic of China has just one, in Beijing, that their people in the field use to Phone Home.

When I worked at Apple, I discovered that it took me not long at all to find both John Sculley's personal LaserWriter - when I was doing QA for MacTCP - then later Gil Amelio's LaserWriter, on the corporate AppleTalk. I don't recall the "Zone", but it was pretty obvious whose Zone it was.

I'm pretty sure those printers had no security, so I was sorely tempted to print a scan of my fat hairy ass on each of their printers. There were all kinds of ways I could have done so, on a regular basis, without ever getting caught. But I was a little shy back in the day, so I never did. That, today, is one of my deepest regrets.

But today?

So, if I select one of those damn WiFi OfficeJets in my Mountain Lion Printer Setup Utility, can I print without a password?

PERHAPS YOU CAN SEE WHERE I AM GOING HERE.

Extra credit if you can tell me how I can display a different video on AirPlay (OS X to Apple TV video sharing), than what actually appears on my display. "hello.jpg" you see, I love to show it to other people, but have grown to find it rather passe when others show it to me.

Get A Load Of This Shit:

More or less, what happened is that six - Count 'Em: SIX - of Portland's Finest guarded The Portland Startup Weekend event hall at the Portland State University Business Accellerator last Spring, after I was not thrown out of the PSU Campus Police, but politely requested by the Campus Cops to step outside so I could explain to them why the Startup Weekend staff totally surrounded me, then simultaneously screamed at me for twenty solid minutes, something to the effect that they were happy to refund my seventy-dollar ticket were I to leave the event, rather than going around explaining to all their naive, young victims that it's a really bad idea to blast all of your trade secrets, business plans, marketing plans, the names of your businesses and products whose domains they had not thought to register before the event, all over Creation on Twitter, YouTube and quite likely Facebook.

Now, it's not like I don't know how cell triangulation works. Had I really threatened anyone with anything, don't you suppose I would have been dragged off the TriMet Light Rail in cuffs, rather than my cell being rang up for my take, by some delightful, young lady Portland Police Bureau Officer who, while doing her damnedest to sound professional, was totally pissing herself laughing during our entire twenty-minute call?

Just now I dropped by the Police Bureau customer service lobby to inquire about all of the written and recorded audio records involved, for use in my upcoming Civil Defamation Lawsuit. I'm not going to represent myself Pro Se - with the assistance and advice but NOT the representation of a bar-admitted attorney - but Pro Per - without any legal advice at all, as I have come to regard the vast majority of Bar Association members as a complete was of my valuable time.

That's what bookstores and law libraries are for. If you think Law School is hard, and that legal texts are hard to read, just try graduate school in Elementary Particle Physics. Now those are some books!

Legal books are cheap as dirt too. I was quite surprised, I bought about a dozen, mostly used but some new, at Powell's City of Books on Burnside in Portland for about $130.00.

I discuss this matter with Law Enforcement officers on a regular basis. I mean, I come right out and tell them that the Startup Weekend staff rang up 9-1-1 in an attempt to have me prosecuted for making bomb threats. Their response?

"If you keep coming round here, you're going to have to share that ice cream with us."

Or you could own your content (1)

Gothmolly (148874) | 1 year,2 days | (#44357811)

And print it whenever you like. Woz was right - nobody owns anything anymore, you're just using a device (terminal?) to access content that another has agreed to let you access. Soon printing your own content will be seen as some kind of subversive act.

Russkiy Yazik: "Samizdat" (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#44358221)

That's why, back during the Communist era, all typewriters, mimeograph machines, photocopiers, and personal or office printers were registered with the K.G.B.

Funny, though, the Samizdat had a way of getting published, printed then distributed anyway.

Back in the day "Pamphleteering" was of quite some significance in bringing about what, at one time, was Democracy, Freedom of Speech and the like. Those rights are largely gone now, present in name only but not really in effect.

However, to the extent that we can continue to published openly online, for the most part on the Web, but also via eMail and other IP protocols, we now have a far more effective form of pamphleteering.

Get a Load of This Shit:

the man who "threatens explosions, guns" was yours truly, Michael David Crawford.

What the Portland taxpayer got out of my, uh, "threat", was six of Portland's Finest guarding the Portland Startup Weekend FROM ME for about thirty, maybe thirty-three hours, with everyone attending having to pass through a metal detector upon entering the premises.

Now, it's not like I don't know how Cell Tower Triangulation works.

But what *I* got out of it, was a rather fascinating twenty-minute cell chat with a delightful young female Portland Police Bureau Officer, who did her best to pretend she had not already read every last one of my "Tweets" - oh do I hate that word - in which I tore a new one into Seattle's Startup Weekend Corporation for duping perhaps one hundred innocent, naive young fraud victims into spilling all of their trade secrets, business plans, what should have been their domain names but no longer can be, as a result of better-funded competitors, for the most part in foreign lands, subscribing to their Twitter, FaceBook and quite likely YouTube feeds as well.

Here's what the Portland Police Bureau had to say to me just this evening, when I dropped by their customer service lobby, to ask for all their written and recorded audio records, for use as evidence in my Civil Defamation Complaint against Startup Weekend, Inc., Twitter - for deleting my account, thereby removing exculpatory evidence that would have rescued my reputation - and The Oregonian, for failing to ask for my take on the incident, as well as having failed, for example, to ask the Portland Police Bureau why they didn't even try to arrest me, but did nothing other than piss themselves laughing when they rang me up on my cell.

And I Blockquote:

"When you get off work - I know you're busy - visit http://www.oregonlive.com/ then put my full name, "Michael David Crawford [warplife.com] into the search box, then press the button. There is only one article about me, "Startup Weekend entrepreneurial event on alert after man threatens explosions, guns", by a Cub Reporter named Molly Young."

"If you keep coming round here, you're going to have to share that ice cream with us."

I was quite hungry, you see, and being Summer and all, it's been a tad warm around here.

Those are the EXACT WORDS of a uniformed, on-duty Portland Police Bureau Officer, that I asked for directions to their Customer Service Lobby, so that I could request their police report, any other written records, the names and badge numbers of all of their officers that were involved - at least seven, maybe more - and a WHOLE BUNCH of audio recordings, not just of 9-1-1 calls, but my chat with that amused young lady cop, recordings of calls between each other, audio recordings of their patrol car conversations and the like.

There are a whole bunch of really good reasons that Law Enforcement takes at least audio recordings of everything they possibly can. If you have at least three independent recordings of a gunshot, or if you're lucky, maybe just one, you can triangulate the point where the gun was fired.

Had that been done at Dealey Plaza back in the day, then we would know for sure who really assassinated JFK. I have a whole bunch of really good reasons to believe it was not Lee Harvey Oswald, but that the rifle he was found with, was used to fire some bullets into a soft target, like a bucket of clay, then those same rounds reloaded into new cartridges, then fired from some other rifle, with a slightly oversized, smooth and unrifled barrel.

For the most part, all those records will be provided free of charge, although it can take some time before they actually send them to you. In the case of a 9-1-1 recording, I know that it's free of charge from the Clark County Washington 9-1-1 - Vancouver - but it takes about six weeks before they email the WAV file.

Police reports are produced immediately upon request, but typically cost five dollars.

All the other records will be produced upon request, but will take some time to dig up. I expect I'd have to pay for their time. I'd get them for free if I subpoenaed them, but that would be rude, I think cops are the best thing since sliced bread. On more than a few occassions, you see, Law Enforcement has saved my very life.

Google is becoming synonymous with idiotic (0)

OhANameWhatName (2688401) | 1 year,2 days | (#44357873)

For those who don't know, Google Cloud Print connects Cloud Print-aware applications (across the Web, desktop, and mobile) to any printer

So if I want to print my document to a printer in Bulgaria, no problem! That's just flat out daft. Cloud storage, processing and applications provide ubiquitous accessibility. Cloud printing provides ubiquitous inaccessibility.

Google 2.0 is a collection of some of the dumbest ideas I've ever seen in my life. Surely there's still somebody with common sense working for Google?!?

Re:Google is becoming synonymous with idiotic (4, Informative)

swillden (191260) | 1 year,2 days | (#44358193)

For those who don't know, Google Cloud Print connects Cloud Print-aware applications (across the Web, desktop, and mobile) to any printer

So if I want to print my document to a printer in Bulgaria, no problem! That's just flat out daft. Cloud storage, processing and applications provide ubiquitous accessibility. Cloud printing provides ubiquitous inaccessibility.

Actually, I find cloud print to be very convenient. I print to my home printer while I'm at work and printers at work (my office and remote offices) from home, I have printed to my mom's printer and my father-in-law's printer from another state (easier than sending them a document and helping them print it). It's also zero setup when I get a new computer... as soon as I'm logged into Chrome I can print and it just works. No fiddling with drivers because that was already done once.

Surely there's still somebody with common sense working for Google?!?

Bah. Common sense is usually neither common nor very sensible. But what do I know? I work for Google :P

Re:Google is becoming synonymous with idiotic (3, Funny)

OhANameWhatName (2688401) | 1 year,2 days | (#44358239)

But what do I know? I work for Google :P

Well blow me down with a feather! Someone working for Google who thinks Google's ideas are good.

Who would have seen that coming?

Re:Google is becoming synonymous with idiotic (1)

swillden (191260) | 1 year,2 days | (#44358375)

Which is why I said "What do I know?". But, regardless, I do find cloud print to be really convenient.

Re:Google is becoming synonymous with idiotic (0)

OhANameWhatName (2688401) | 1 year,2 days | (#44358703)

I do find cloud print to be really convenient

I'm happy for you. Have you thought of starting a club?

Re:Google is becoming synonymous with idiotic (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#44359203)

You mean a Hangout+ surely ;-)

Re:Google is becoming synonymous with idiotic (1)

readingaccount (2909349) | 1 year,2 days | (#44359903)

The guy's brainwashed. Giving himself up completely to the company. Of course he's going to say nice things about their ideas/products. If he didn't like them, he wouldn't have posted as it would have been career suicide (if he could be identified of course).

Re:Google is becoming synonymous with idiotic (1)

fluffy99 (870997) | 1 year,2 days | (#44358619)

Actually, I find cloud print to be very convenient. I print to my home printer while I'm at work and printers at work (my office and remote offices) from home, I have printed to my mom's printer and my father-in-law's printer from another state (easier than sending them a document and helping them print it). It's also zero setup when I get a new computer... as soon as I'm logged into Chrome I can print and it just works. No fiddling with drivers because that was already done once.

So how long before you start getting spam sent to your printer? Or we discover printer firmware has bugs and sending it "special" print jobs gives an attacker a foothold into your local network?

Can I route a job to Steve Ballmer's printer? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#44357893)

I promise to keep it (reasonably) clean.

OK, I broke that promise.

Re:Can I route a job to Steve Ballmer's printer? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#44358021)

You can find many crazies that put their copiers/printers on the net.
For example, here we find some Ricoh
Search for "/websys/webArch/mainFrame.cgi" or "web image monitor"

Ok what special. Right a Windows Driver. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#44357941)

http://www.niftiestsoftware.com/cups-cloud-print/
Linux drivers todo the same thing landed in 2011.

  Unknown Lamer
"It wouldn't be so bad if the Google Cloud Print libraries weren't proprietary and did something like IPP proxying instead of using a similarly proprietary API."
No proprietary libraries are used by the Linux cups cloud print. Yet it prints to Google Cloud Print Perfectly. https://developers.google.com/cloud-print/docs/pythonCode Yes the inferface instructions are written for python programmers. Yes you can write a print driver in python on Linux, OS X..... Almost all OS's bar Microsoft made OS's. The C/C++ versions are inside the chromuim source code.

Yes it is possible to create a cloud print circle of never ending print. Yes have chrome/chromuin proxy provide printer to google cloud print that just happens to be google cloud print itself. Anyone who makes this mistake is going to love the missing bandwidth.

What is lacking is a man in middle solution to intercept and redirect google cloud print and the option to set up your own private cloud print equal servers.

Is this new? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#44358031)

I've had Google print service for months now on a standard off the shelf Epson printer.

How Strong Is The Encryption? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#44358079)

What kind of encryption is there between the device that's doing the printing and the printer, and is the source code available for inspection?

NSA Printing Service (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#44358141)

that's what is is. Greetings to 66MI in Erbenheim - whom have you peeped on today ?

IPP printing from Android? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#44358211)

Novell (yeah that old company that made NetWare back in the day) just released their mobile iPrint app last week. It would let you print via IPP from your android or iOS device without the need to set up a google cloud printer. Granted, it's targeted at enterprises, not end-users... http://www.novell.com/products/iprint/

Never again (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#44358615)

Nice try, Google, but you've burned me enough times that I'm not getting suckered into another one of your services that'll go away if it doesn't make you enough money.

All your documents are belong to us (or NSA) (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#44358843)

I don't think that an company would be so stupid to send their documents through Google.

Qfailzors.. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#44358893)

BSD style.' In the for 4ll practical World. GNNA members

Really surprised (2)

Lord Bitman (95493) | 1 year,2 days | (#44358895)

As someone who's been trying to use Cloud Print since it launched, I had assumed that the project was abandoned long ago. It has always been extremely flakey, it never "just works", etc. When it works, it's great. When it doesn't, you are left staring at a screen identical to when it does, with no diagnostics, and no sign of potential progress.

There are also some rather insane missing features, like the inability to rename printers (eg: if two of your friends have an HP DeskJet 1050a, and they both left it with the default name, have fun trying to decide which one to print on. Or if they both renamed their printers, but gave them sensible names like "HP (Upstairs)")

CloudPrint was a nice idea which Google has given zero attention. I do not expect things to suddenly work now that Windows is in the mix.

First always on wifi, now force fed cloud printing (1)

citizenr (871508) | 1 year,2 days | (#44359041)

Is Google trying to get out of their way just to acquire every last bit of information for NSA masters?
I cant deny information to an app - its an app that decides if it will run on my phone depending on what Im willing to give it. Dont want to share my contact list? wont play half the games.
Then Google disables WiFi button because 'gotta have this location data no mater what!'
"Let Google's location service and other apps scan for networks, even when Wi-Fi is off"
And now they want copy of everything I print? They already have copy of every email ffs.

Re:First always on wifi, now force fed cloud print (1)

cheros (223479) | 1 year,2 days | (#44359563)

Funny, that was about the first thing I thought too.

Wrt your other complaints I could, of course, observe that other platforms offer a much finer granulation of access control, even AFTER installation, but we still have to acknowledge that being asked is better than not being asked at all, as was the case before..

Android's achiles heel (1)

DrXym (126579) | 1 year,2 days | (#44359163)

Printing on Android is truly execrable. Some of the better apps have a "Print to PDF" which at least produces a file which can be previewed and printed from somewhere else. The remainder have nothing at all except a "Send to" option which a Cloud print app hooks into. Then the Cloud print app will do its half assed best to rerender the file format and send it to a cloud print device. And to cloud print you either have to be running a PC with Chrome as a proxy to the printer or have a special cloud print enabled printer already registered.

It's just so nasty that it's an embarrassment. Android really, really needs a set of rendering APIs that apps can use to render content to a canvas and some dialogs for previewing, printing, page setup and spooling documents to a printer via a CUPS-like API. I'm sure it doesn't even need a new API level - the printer server could be a an app, the APIs for rendering could be drawing primitives with some convenient methods for snapshotting screens for lazy apps. It could be backported like other things have been like fragments to encourage wide adoption. But it does need them.

I'd like to be able to hold my printing... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,2 days | (#44359513)

I just dont think cloud as a medium will be solid enough.

At least it works! (1)

unfortunateson (527551) | 1 year,2 days | (#44359677)

The Android software works like a charm (except for the occasional forgetting that pages that require logging in won't be logged in -- your receipts, for instance, aren't so simple to print).

On the other hand, HP's software, which only operated while I am on the WiFi, never worked to print a web page (I could print photos). I'd get a blank page, or worse, a black page.

Would stick with Chrome ... (1)

gstoddart (321705) | 1 year,2 days | (#44359779)

I set this up the other week for the mother in law, and me, I'd stick with cloud printing through Chrome the way I set it up for her.

Why? Because I can sign out of Chrome until I need it again.

Installing this as a driver into Windows means I've now put Google into the operating system -- and increasingly I believe they will take advantage of that and record and send data when I'm not directly using it.

So, I will pass on installing a Google cloud-print driver, because I prefer the option of being able to turn them off. I prefer my trust relationship with Google to be something I can meter a little more closely, and disable when I'm not using it.

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