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FreeBSD Co-founder Jordan Hubbard Leaves Apple To Join iXsystems

Unknown Lamer posted 1 year,26 days | from the twelve-long-years dept.

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New submitter transam writes "After a long stint at Apple doing all kinds of Unix-y goodness, Jordan Hubbard has moved onto iXsystems to lead engineering and development, including heading up the FreeNAS project. Apple's loss is their gain."

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AHA! (3, Funny)

shentino (1139071) | 1 year,26 days | (#44375043)

No WONDER Apple is a cult, one of the executives has a scientologist for a brother!

Re:AHA! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,26 days | (#44375781)

So that explains the invasive crap from Google... Google is run by scientologists!

Re:AHA! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,26 days | (#44378633)

Yeah, yeah we know. Scroogling is the name of the game for you Microsofties.

Ok, now you've done your job, how about you leave us in peace?

Ronng! (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | 1 year,25 days | (#44380655)

Appliantologists []

Re:Ronng! (1)

bandy (99800) | 1 year,25 days | (#44381959)

Welcome to the first church of appliantology! the white zone is for loading and unloading only! []

Re:AHA! (1)

shentino (1139071) | 1 year,26 days | (#44375973)

Guys, do you not get the reference in the guy's last name?

Re:AHA! (1, Insightful)

Nerdfest (867930) | 1 year,26 days | (#44376731)

You have offended the faithful. Sadly, cults get upset when you call them cults.

Re:AHA! (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | 1 year,25 days | (#44380677)

Yes, the "l" gets incremented by two characters.

Re:AHA! (1)

volkerdi (9854) | 1 year,25 days | (#44384715)

Heh, I remember well hanging out with jkh one night when he thought he'd register as a personal domain. "Oh no!"

Re:AHA! (1)

rHBa (976986) | 1 year,25 days | (#44379793)

No WONDER I'm always hungry when I look at Apple products, one of their executive's mother never keeps any food in the cupboard!

Re:AHA! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,25 days | (#44379977)

Now Slashdot will get a takedown notice for this thread from the Church of Scientology!

You just noticed? (5, Informative)

Desler (1608317) | 1 year,26 days | (#44375077)

Good ole Slashdot. 4 weeks behind the times. []

Re:You just noticed? (0, Flamebait)

Desler (1608317) | 1 year,26 days | (#44375247)

A post linking to the announcement of him leaving Apple is "off topic"? Looks like some mod got butthurt at my post.

Re:You just noticed? (1)

helix2301 (1105613) | 1 year,24 days | (#44392419)

I agree slashdot has been a bit behind but it's still worth posting since most of us slashdoters are Unix and Linux nerds.

Grats (4, Interesting)

m.dillon (147925) | 1 year,26 days | (#44375097)

Should be nice taking a break from Apple's high-stress environment. IX, maybe do a few apps on the side... there ya go!


Re:Grats (0)

Desler (1608317) | 1 year,26 days | (#44375135)

He started his new job 9 days ago. The linked press release is from June 25th.

Re:Grats (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,26 days | (#44375177)

And that's relevant to m.dillons post how?

Re:Grats (-1, Troll)

Desler (1608317) | 1 year,26 days | (#44375191)

It's relevant cause I made it so. Cry moar.

Re:Grats (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,26 days | (#44376189)

Still not relevant. Keep your bitching in your failed thread.

Re:Grats (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,26 days | (#44376671)

What would a guy named m.dillon know about BSD anyway?

Re:Grats (1)

Brian Feldman (350) | 1 year,26 days | (#44376793)


Congrats on your CTO-ship, Jordan -- seems like you had a great celebration in the Maldives!

Re:Grats (1)

Desler (1608317) | 1 year,26 days | (#44375145)

To add the quote:

Jordan Hubbard will assume the duties of iXsystems CTO on July 15, 2013.

Re:Grats (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,26 days | (#44376081)

You're a fucking moron.

Re:Grats (2)

m.dillon (147925) | 1 year,26 days | (#44376215)

Next time I'll just raise my little finger and then the angry comments will *really* start to fly :-)

In anycase, my brother worked for Apple for a number of years and it can be quite a high-stress environment. Probably the highest-stress environment of any company, anywhere. But ex-Apple employees often take away a good chunk of change plus lots of great ongoing contacts which works naturally well when moving onto to another job that might then do (more) business with Apple in the future. The Apple ecosystem extends far beyond the consumer!


Re:Grats (1)

MachineShedFred (621896) | 1 year,25 days | (#44379639)

He's been at Apple for the entirety of Mac OS X to date. He's made his pile of cash off options and employee stock purchase, and now he's returning to what he loves - producing free (BSD is as free you can get) software that is really useful.

Netcraft confirms it... (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,26 days | (#44375137)

BSD is dead!

Re:Netcraft confirms it... (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,26 days | (#44375225)

Nah, It's just taking a well-deserved nap.

Re:Netcraft confirms it... (1)

fyngyrz (762201) | 1 year,26 days | (#44375279)

Wish Apple would fix the damned UDP sockets. That'd be some "UNIX-y goodness" I could get behind.

Re:Netcraft confirms it... (2, Insightful)

Nerdfest (867930) | 1 year,26 days | (#44376765)

I wish they'd stop adding proprietary extensions to open protocols and using proprietary connectors when standards are available. Unfortunately they seem to want to force people to keep using their products rather than *wanting* to use their products.

Re: Netcraft confirms it... (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,26 days | (#44375517)

BSD and Linux is more relevant then ever now (post Snowden) at least in Europe.

I love when layers... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,26 days | (#44375315)

Add their trademark stuff:

IOS is a trademark or registered trademark of Cisco in the U.S. and other countries and is used under license.

Bad luck, wrong iOS

Thous shalt not make a machine in the likeness... (4, Funny)

wbr1 (2538558) | 1 year,26 days | (#44375377)

Nothing good ever came from iX, or Richese for that matter. The Tleilaxu however... I need a few Gholas.

Re:Thous shalt not make a machine in the likeness. (1)

wbr1 (2538558) | 1 year,26 days | (#44376039)

Wow.. since when is a Dune reference flamebait? I love ignorance.

Re:Thous shalt not make a machine in the likeness. (2)

Nerdfest (867930) | 1 year,26 days | (#44376769)

Well, you came to the right place.

Re:Thous shalt not make a machine in the likeness. (1)

sqrt(2) (786011) | 1 year,26 days | (#44378419)

You're violating the Butlarian Jihad to make this post!

The exodus begins? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,26 days | (#44375505)

A sign of Apple losing it's way and returning to the post-Jobs, pre-Jobs mentallity?

Re:The exodus begins? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,26 days | (#44377263)

I guess the kernel doesn't matter. Only the icon theme.

Re:The exodus begins? (1)

Tough Love (215404) | 1 year,26 days | (#44377757)

I guess the kernel doesn't matter. Only the icon theme.

Not even. Only the shiny aluminum case matters.

Until it electrocutes you [] of course

Thanks, Jordan! (1)

jcr (53032) | 1 year,26 days | (#44375555)

He did a lot of great work at Apple, and I hope he enjoys his new role.


Re:Thanks, Jordan! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,26 days | (#44378777)

Not being a Mac OS user, I was hoping the article might contain interesting info on some of the features he's worked on. (Familiar with his FreeBSD work.) Could you possibly expand on his contributions to Mac OS over the years for those of us interested in what he's been up to?

Beyond old news (1)

CAIMLAS (41445) | 1 year,26 days | (#44376101)

This news is well beyond old. I saw this two weeks ago, and the article is from a month ago. It was plastered all over the news outlets and geek sites, because it's not exactly a trivial thing.

I thought he died (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,26 days | (#44376367)

I read that Netcraft had confirmed it.

Good, someone needs to fix FreeNAS (2)

ModernGeek (601932) | 1 year,26 days | (#44377529)

FreeNAS is kludgy and broken. The idea is noble, and the feature set is great. The implementation just needs some talent to pull the user interface and backend closer together, and to fix the bugs under the hood so that it can become a respectable solution. If it could end up in hardware that's available off the shelf, I could see some vendors willing to fork over some cash to the project as well.

Re:Good, someone needs to fix FreeNAS (3, Interesting)

CAIMLAS (41445) | 1 year,26 days | (#44377663)

As someone who uses FreeNAS and who has many customers running it in high demand environments, I'm going to have to disagree with you.

I've had no problem replacing the latest generation, $80k NetApps with comparable $20k redundant TrueNas systems from ixSystems and seeing massive gains in performance at the same time, so I'm really curious where you get "kludgy" and "broken", nevermind "bugs under the hood".

Oh, upon further reading, it appears you really didn't understand what we're talking about here, so my apologies if I come off as an ass. We're talking about ix. You know, a vendor which has a branded version of FreeNAS called TrueNas, which they sell on their own hardware?

FreeNAS runs just fine on pretty damn near anything "off the shelf" of decent quality. You know, pick pretty much any Supermicro board. (You're going to run into problems with shitty Broadcom et al based systems, but then you're an idiot, and are going to run into those problems with pretty much everything but Windows...)

Re:Good, someone needs to fix FreeNAS (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,26 days | (#44378021)

I have to agree with CAIMLAS. I also have several clients running entire organizations on FreeNAS machines built by yours truly. The most attractive feature? Price, of course. Why spend THOUSANDS on Windows Server Licensing when all the company uses a server for is to centralize data? FreeNAS is a near-perfect server solution for businesses with up to 100 (maybe more, I wouldn't know) employees. It offers high availability, security, and fukkenbadass cloud-like backup infrastructure when mirrored with another FreeNAS and making use of ZFS snapshots. Not to mention, it's easy as pie to maintain and when the system goes kaput!, you just clone your drives back and fire up a new system with old config. I actually sleep better at night, now that several of my smaller clients have FreeNAS systems working silently for them. Sorry... it's late and I'm probably rambling.

FreeNAS is not broken, just comes with similar set of challenges, but also with kickassiveness.


Re:Good, someone needs to fix FreeNAS (1)

smash (1351) | 1 year,15 days | (#44474825)

Doesn't work properly with SMB2 clients, unfortunately. Hopefully they've fixed it in 9.1. That said, as a cheap NFS/iSCSI/afp box it's pretty neat.

Re:Good, someone needs to fix FreeNAS (1)

axafg00b (398439) | 1 year,25 days | (#44379723)

I'll ditto CAIMLAS' remarks except that I run FreeNAS on a home-kludge setup - Sunfire x4100 with a no-name $99 external disk array and bundled eSATA card. Setup was clean and quick - the Sun hardware did not burp when I put the non-Sun eSATA card in - and now I am able to use the 3TB array as a networked Time Machine drive as well as a media drive. If FreeNAS can survive my ham-handed efforts, as well as small- to medium-enterprise installations for lower cost and better performance, then I think they are doing something right. Now, if someone wants to work on forked-daapd and bring it up to date with the current version of ITunes, I would be very happy.

Re:Good, someone needs to fix FreeNAS (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,25 days | (#44379801)

Oh come on. I love FreeNAS, heavy user myself. But comparing its performance with that of NetApp? NetApp has so much crazy proprietary hardware level tech (the thing tracks head position across all the disks to read from the closest one, optimizes where it writes stuff based on head position of the array, etc) and relatively affordable multi 10gig solutions that actually provide 20-40gbps of bandwidth from single filers... Not to mention their NFS implementation is much better in terms of raw IOPS served...

Re:Good, someone needs to fix FreeNAS (2)

BitZtream (692029) | 1 year,25 days | (#44380163)

As someone who uses FreeNAS and who has many customers running it in high demand environments, I'm going to have to disagree with you.

Speaks more of your lack of experience than FreeNAS itself.

FreeNAS has felt kludgy and broken for years now. Perhaps just because you work with even shittier and ridiculously expensive NetApp crap, you think that FreeNAS is impressive, but its really not.

I dropped FreeNAS some time ago, its ZFS support (due to using old releases of FBSD) was asstastic, and as such, performance was absolutely pathetic. Unless they've bumped up to AT LEAST 9.1-STABLE, ZFS performance is still going to be asstastic, forget about how shitty the UI is for it.

In the end, you're better off just using a bare install of FBSD and the CLI to setup a NAS. Using it for replacing high end NetApp gear? No fucking way.

Note: All my NAS equipment is FreeBSD based now, none of it is FreeNAS.

Great idea, shitty shitty shitty implementation.

JKH on the other hand, is one person I trust to make it not suck anymore.

Re:Good, someone needs to fix FreeNAS (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,25 days | (#44385097)

FreeNAS is broken, Honestly its retarded that you cant install the system to ZFS root... I mean REALLY? this is a simple thing....
I respect the fact that this feature would casue issues for embedded environments... but it just feels to me, that people with REAL hardware, are put in this "Box" for the sake of embedded...

with all due respect, no one really cares about the fact that you can replace $80k NetApps... BSD and in return FreeNAS is about flexibility... FreeNAS doesn't provide this... the install options are just one of MANY options.... I hope that Jordan realizes that some of the directions that developers have chosen in the past are... Well ill advised.. I get that FreeNAS is Heavily based on nanoBSD... and they image installs.. and that changing the install options would be a WHOLE lot of work... but its work that NEEDS to be done...

can't there be a better solution?

Jordan, Please Fix FreeNAS the right way!

Re:Good, someone needs to fix FreeNAS (1)

smash (1351) | 1 year,15 days | (#44474817)

Whilst I run FreeNAS several things are keeping it from being useful in a Windows enterprise environment: SMB2 support and the web GUI breaks inexplicably in IE9. Reasons unknown and pretty much irrelevant: this is the job I need it to do at work, and i can't deploy it because of this.

I run it at home just fine with my Macs, but yeah - for enterprise use it needs to be fixed.

Is he a rat? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,26 days | (#44377737)

Is Apple a sinking ship?

Hopefully (1)

JonJ (907502) | 1 year,26 days | (#44378667)

Someone will fix OS X to be a proper operating system, instead of a kludge of different build versions for different model of computers. It's so far from elegant and modular that it's a disgrace.

Re:Hopefully (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,25 days | (#44379241)

Any specifics or is this stuff you culled from forums in between sessions spent searching for scat?

Re:Hopefully (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,25 days | (#44384527)


Freebsd? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,25 days | (#44379379)

if hes coming from bsd, and the fuckers who fucked bsd, I doubt his legacy will not be stolen. and thats a motherfucker.

ZFS (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,25 days | (#44382225)

He'll finally get to work in a functional implementation of ZFS!

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