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US Lawmakers Want Sanctions On Any Country Taking In Snowden

samzenpus posted 1 year,3 days | from the come-on-home dept.

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An anonymous reader points out this story about the latest effort by the U.S. to get Edward Snowden back in the country. "A U.S. Senate panel voted unanimously on Thursday to seek trade or other sanctions against Russia or any other country that offers asylum to former spy agency contractor Edward Snowden, who has been holed up for weeks at a Moscow airport. The 30-member Senate Appropriations Committee adopted by consensus an amendment to a spending bill that would direct Secretary of State John Kerry to meet with congressional committees to come up with sanctions against any country that takes Snowden in."

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650 comments

Hey US... (5, Insightful)

slashmydots (2189826) | 1 year,3 days | (#44386061)

You mad, bro? You seem mad, bro. (I'm from the US by the way)

Re:Hey US... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#44386117)

Maybe Snowden should go to China. Now, if the US places sanctions on China, that would be funny.

Re:Hey US... (5, Insightful)

Beardo the Bearded (321478) | 1 year,3 days | (#44386367)

And when think about it, a guy who knows lots of stuff about the way the NSA spies on its citizens would be pretty useful to the PRC.

Everyone will win, except a few senators who'll end up with egg on their faces.

Naming Names (5, Informative)

Frobnicator (565869) | 1 year,3 days | (#44386541)

The specific names are hard to come by right now.

Let's fix that. It was a unanimous voice vote. Here are the names. Contact them and tell them what you will:

RICHARD C. SHELBY (R), Alabama
LISA MURKOWSKI (R), Alaska
MARK BEGICH (D), Alaska
JOHN BOOZMAN (R), Arkansas
MARK PRYOR (D), Arkansas
DIANNE FEINSTEIN (D), California
CHRIS COONS (D), Delaware
MARK KIRK (R), Illinois
RICHARD DURBIN (D), Illinois
DAN COATS(R), Indiana
TOM HARKIN (D), Iowa
JERRY MORAN(R), Kansas
MITCH MCCONNELL (R), Kentucky
MARY L. LANDRIEU (D), Louisiana
SUSAN COLLINS (R), Maine
BARBARA MIKULSKI (D), Maryland
THAD COCHRAN (R), Mississippi
ROY BLUNT(R), Missouri
JON TESTER (D), Montana
MIKE JOHANNS (R), Nebraska
JEANNE SHAHEEN (D), New Hampshire
TOM UDALL (D), New Mexico
JOHN HOEVEN(R), North Dakota
JEFF MERKLEY (D), Oregon
JACK REED (D), Rhode Island
LINDSEY GRAHAM(R), South Carolina
TIM JOHNSON (D), South Dakota
LAMAR ALEXANDER (R), Tennessee
PATRICK LEAHY (D), Vermont
PATTY MURRAY (D), Washington

Re:Hey US... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#44386389)

The USA is a bunch of cowards. They are bullies that only pick on smaller targets. USA don't have the balls to take on any country that will turn around and tell the wimps to fuck off, not without the might of Europe and Down Under backing them up.

Re:Hey US... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#44386397)

This move effectively means there is nowhere Snowden can go other than Cuba.

Re:Hey US... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#44386431)

Man, you sure as hell underestimate what the rest of the world is capable of, or you're just trolling..

Re:Hey US... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#44386423)

if the US places sanctions on China

When Chinese dumping interferes [scientificamerican.com] with a political agenda the US doesn't hesitate to slap tariffs [nytimes.com] on stuff.

Things that aren't politically suitable for photo-ops, however, get the "oh noes tradewar" treatment if someone has the temerity to suggest tariffs.

Re:Hey US... (4, Insightful)

Trepidity (597) | 1 year,3 days | (#44386499)

Those were really specific tariffs, though, only on solar panels, which are not really essential to the U.S. economy. The problem with general trade sanctions is that we get all our stuff from China, so we can't afford to ban importing it. If there were even a temporary blanket import ban, almost all U.S. computer manufacturers would have to suspend sales. You probably wouldn't even be able to buy a toaster.

Re:Hey US... (4, Insightful)

Nemesisghost (1720424) | 1 year,3 days | (#44386455)

While I might not support Snowden, I don't see putting sanctions on random countries as ending well for us. I personally want my government to just let it be. He stole some super secret documents that is going to embarrass our government. Try to catch the guy, but otherwise, just drop it already. Only going to piss somebody off.

Re:Hey US... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#44386189)

"Score:5, Insightful"

Re:Hey US... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#44386271)

We mad. How could you tell? It's not like we've been holding people without trial and torturing them, right?

Heh (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#44386079)

This is going to turn out well. Watch Russia give a crap.

Re:Heh (2)

dmbasso (1052166) | 1 year,3 days | (#44386199)

They're helping him. That will make Russian speed up the asylum process.

Re:Heh (1)

CanEHdian (1098955) | 1 year,3 days | (#44386403)

Yeah? Well maybe, just maybe, trade sanctions help stop that silly Soviet SOPA [torrentfreak.com] law... or maybe even reverse it by legalising non-for-profit peer-to-peer file-sharing.

Welcome to the new United States! (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#44386083)

Papers please! Here's a nice star for your chest. Cattle car number 13 please. This won't hurt a bit.

Our of their minds... (5, Insightful)

rwven (663186) | 1 year,3 days | (#44386087)

Are these imbeciles serious? Do they think for one second about the repercussions of an action like this? If I were Russia, I'd grant him asylum just to watch the US government look like even bigger morons than they already do.

1) US enacts sanctions against Russia
2) Russia, and half the world return the favor.
3) ...
4) No profit.

It's time for the people of this country to stop voting mainstream and replace the complete morons running this circus. There are just no words.....

Re:Our of their minds... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#44386157)

Exactly, just like the Oil embargo on Iran killing the UK economy.

Right of asylum cannot be assumed (4, Informative)

sam_vilain (33533) | 1 year,3 days | (#44386249)

From a quick check on the Wikipedia page [wikipedia.org] on it:

Protected grounds include race, nationality, religion, political opinions and membership and/or participation in any particular social group or social activities.

While I can't claim to be intimately fimiliar with the relevant international law: the UN CRSR (1951) [wikipedia.org] probably applies. It specifically doesn't apply to "War Criminals", but I'm not sure what else.

Business Insider have a somewhat cynical take on Snowden's asylum claim [businessinsider.com] which I think is worth reading.

Re:Right of asylum cannot be assumed (3, Insightful)

tftp (111690) | 1 year,3 days | (#44386345)

Business Insider have a somewhat cynical take on Snowden's asylum claim which I think is worth reading.

JavaScript required. Not worth reading.

Re:Right of asylum cannot be assumed (2)

dantotheman (2887483) | 1 year,3 days | (#44386373)

You realize this is the 2013 version of the internet right?....

Re:Right of asylum cannot be assumed (3, Informative)

Arker (91948) | 1 year,3 days | (#44386395)

You realize this is the 2013 version of the internet right?....

You know that is exactly why you need to turn off javascript, right?

In 1992 we didnt have Reveton.

Re:Right of asylum cannot be assumed (4, Insightful)

Valdrax (32670) | 1 year,3 days | (#44386473)

Yes, it is. Which is why we've moved beyond the days of "this site is best viewed in Internet Explorer at 800 x 600 resolution" to the days of creating sites that are intelligently designed to work on multiple browsers and obey the principles of graceful degradation if a given browser doesn't support some wizzy feature you like.

At least, that's the theory. Some sites still suck.

Re:Right of asylum cannot be assumed (3, Insightful)

BrokenHalo (565198) | 1 year,3 days | (#44386443)

Business Insider have a somewhat cynical take on Snowden's asylum claim which I think is worth reading.

The article is worth reading, but in claiming that [Snowden] "is asking for asylum in a country that continues to openly squash dissent", it neglects to mention that at this point, his options are becoming limited.

Even assuming any other nation were to offer him asylum, recent history has shown that the US is extremely unlikely to allow him to get there [guardian.co.uk] . So his only option might be to stay where he is, and make the best of it.

Re:Right of asylum cannot be assumed (4, Informative)

Arker (91948) | 1 year,3 days | (#44386445)

Why is it worth reading? Did you check their assertions? The link they describe with "he's loudly trumpeting the moral superiority of the Putin government" only leads to him very briefly thanking the Russians, among others, who did not simply deny his asylum appeal without consideration. I dont see any 'trumpeting' at all, and I have no reason to expect the rest of this link-heavy screed actually supports its conclusions either.

Re:Our of their minds... (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#44386381)

I US is behaving as a school bully. If Snowden will get an asylum in a "small, unimportant" country, whey will apply sanctions. If it would be Russia or China, US will remain silent.

Re:Our of their minds... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#44386383)

... half the world return the favor ...

Unfortunately, block-buster movies, second-tier weapons, and computer technology are owned by the USA. The fact that google/facebook/microsoft/Disney/Paramount need us more than we need them doesn't seem to register with most governments. Other countries are happy for the USA to pay the cost of 'policing' the planet and ensuring 'good will' (to those who obey the USA).

Of course, sanctions mean little if Russia can buy from another country. Or if a dozen countries join the Russian 'brand' of anti-American sentiment.

Re:Our of their minds... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#44386449)

Unfortunately, block-buster movies, second-tier weapons, and computer technology are owned by the USA.

This is true, but the physical product is mostly made in China using their own raw materials (and hilarious "made in the USA" labels stuck onto the imports.) Why do you think the USA has such a hard-on for exporting ludicrously over the top "IP" law? It's pretty much all they have left economically.

Re:Our of their minds... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#44386429)

It's time for the people of this country to stop voting mainstream and replace the complete morons running this circus.

And who would the replacements be?

Re:Our of their minds... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#44386513)

A lose-lose situation for a politician, Some moron suggested it to score some cheap points and no one with any hope of staying in
politics could object to it.

so lose by agreeing to something stupid, and hope it's just loud talk that will fizzle out and be forgotten

or lose by disagreeing and be branded as traitor, helping terrorist, etc. etc.

should have trown something about pedofiles and drug dealers in just for good measure

Re:Our of their minds... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#44386573)

Did you forget the Helms–Burton Act [wikipedia.org] eiphemisticaly called "Cuban Liberty and Democratic Solidarity (Libertad) Act of 1996"?

Ugggh. (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#44386091)

It's like watching a 5-year old having a temper tantrum.

These clowns don't have anything more important to work on?

Re:Ugggh. (5, Insightful)

Fluffeh (1273756) | 1 year,3 days | (#44386235)

These clowns don't have anything more important to work on?

Yeah, they do, that's why they are doing this. Classic misdirection 101. Can't fix the economy? Can't do your job properly? Do something loud, big that gets noticed and likely eaten right up by the average Joe-Shmo living in Nowheresville, Mediocrity. Get into the news for being the "Good guys" after the "dangerous treason-ous US-hating, communist/socialist/terrorist". Then when (and in the unlikely case of IF) people ask why you didn't do what you were supposed to do, you can cheerfully say that you were too busy keeping the US safe.

Re:Ugggh. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#44386257)

Are you kidding? Now its in the open they're going to milk this and try to use it as much as they can.

Everyone knows about the crap the NSA is doing now and yet nobody has any intention of doing anything to stop it.
They'll just move on to even more invasive spying, monitoring, logging and recording.
Google, Apple & the others got away with it too just by by going 'Look.. Microsoft is worse than us'.

US citizens dont care or just brush it aside by convincing themselves "its still not as bad as China/Stalinist Russia/1984' or whatever.

If they pass any laws as a result of the Snowden leaks it'll probably be stiffer penalties for people leaking info or assisting in leaks.

Re:Ugggh. (0, Flamebait)

dmbasso (1052166) | 1 year,3 days | (#44386263)

These clowns don't have anything more important to work on?

Of course they have: try to repeal obamacare for the 41st time. If at first you don't succeed... [ anyone knows how much did these attempts cost so far? ]

Re:Ugggh. (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#44386517)

Pssst.... I work in the health care industry. If you think ObamaCare is great just you wait... You're in for one wicked surprise.
 
Prepare to grab your ankles.

Re:Ugggh. (5, Insightful)

UnknownSoldier (67820) | 1 year,3 days | (#44386265)

Exactly! How about government being

a) accountable
b) honest
c) transparent

So this bullshit about government over stepping its Constitutional Authority doesn't happen in the first place.

/sarcasm Nah, that would involve work. Better to keep lying to the people like ... censored by bullshit National Security Theater...

Re:Ugggh. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#44386471)

What do you really expect at this point? The one party system has systematically raped and pillaged the land while partisan fucks continue to bicker. It's all about keeping the power to fuck the citizen, not the actions needed to make the citizens lives better.
 
We're actively being screwed while small minded bitches argue Democrat and Republican.

Re:Ugggh. (5, Informative)

reboot246 (623534) | 1 year,3 days | (#44386553)

Do you mean the same clowns who wouldn't vote against the NSA the other night? They don't represent us. Hell, they don't even think about us.

Insanity (4, Insightful)

jonfr (888673) | 1 year,3 days | (#44386093)

This is completely insane, made by people who are also completely insane. This is calling burning bridges and not looking back, one day in the not so distant future U.S it self might find it self on the other end of a sanction (after U.N headquarters are moved, or U.N itself is disbanded).

In any case, this is both stupid and insane by the U.S congress doing this. I wonder what threats NSA did bring to the table to get this through.

You don't have to be stupid to get elected (1)

kawabago (551139) | 1 year,3 days | (#44386317)

The oath of office seems to cause brain death.

Re:Insanity (2)

BrokenHalo (565198) | 1 year,3 days | (#44386509)

In any case, this is both stupid and insane by the U.S congress doing this.

It's not Congress. It's a "30-member Senate Appropriations Committee" adopting an "amendment to a spending bill that would direct Secretary of State John Kerry to meet with congressional committees". Which seems like a bit of a tortuous path, so maybe we can hope this will amount to nothing more than a bit of breast-beating before wiser heads prevail.

Re:Insanity (1)

Mitreya (579078) | 1 year,3 days | (#44386521)

This is completely insane, made by people who are also completely insane. This is calling burning bridges and not looking back,

Also, any country that is actually worried about US sanctions would already be too afraid to take Snowden.

What are they trying to achieve?

Time to move to canada! Eh! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#44386095)

When will we finally revolt and stop the CIA from destroying other governments,
stop our leaders from creating stupid laws, and stop lenovo from destroying the
thinkpad brand in the name of consumerism?

what info has (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#44386105)

snowden released that shouldn't have already been made available to the public?

How can I get citizenship in a country with laws? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#44386123)

This "United Spies of America" with their OWN legal system and their OWN courts and Constitution...
THIS is essentially why the Revolutionary War was fought, freedom from this kind of authoritarian nonsense.

US needs to back the fuck down (5, Insightful)

maliqua (1316471) | 1 year,3 days | (#44386127)

before the rest of the world decides to put trade sanctions on them. Few countries are as reliant on imports as the united states, the world would get along just fine, your people however would starve to death or die of dehydration

keep pushing assholes the world doesn't give a fuck about your pathetic ultimatums

Re:US needs to back the fuck down (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#44386213)

I would have seriously thought, after a stunt like SOPA/PIPA that the rest of the world really should put a global treaty into operation with just one purpose, to globally bar any trading with the USA.

Re:US needs to back the fuck down (1)

fredgiblet (1063752) | 1 year,3 days | (#44386365)

The problem is that SOPA/PIPA, while more stringent than most of the world, are the way most of the world are moving, albeit slowly.

Re:US needs to back the fuck down (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#44386275)

before the rest of the world decides to put trade sanctions on them. Few countries are as reliant on imports as the united states, the world would get along just fine, your people however would starve to death or die of dehydration

keep pushing assholes the world doesn't give a fuck about your pathetic ultimatums

Well, considering that the US is a net exporter of food, that whole "starve to death" thing might not take place where you expect it to. Of course, all this talk of sanctions is silly, but don't lose sight of the fact that the US adds massive value to the global economy.

It's all posturing (4, Insightful)

Overzeetop (214511) | 1 year,3 days | (#44386301)

Few countries provide the kind of consumers with disposable income/available credit and an insatiable desire to buy shit like the US. You don't close the door on your biggest client. This posturing is aimed at the central and south American countries, not at Russia.

And it's unlikely that Russia will decide to take in Snowden. Remember - they have leakers and political refugees, too. We (the US and Russia) are fare more similar than dissimilar. Like flirting with the waiter/waitress at a restaurant in front of your significant other, it's being done for amusement, and everybody gets their jollies out of it. Getting the phone number of your server and then shacking up isn't on the menu for either side in this dysfunctional but stable relationship.

Re:US needs to back the fuck down (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#44386353)

You kidding?
Those stupid assholes would force a war on everyone else for being mean to them.

After all, they can barely go a decade without seemingly wanting to cause wars with everyone ever. They are the worst link of modern society and the one most likely to ruin all the work done by the millions of people since the last major wars.
All these films about OTHER countries starting wars, and them bringing on destruction, when it is the USA that are most likely to wipe out human society.

Yes, they may have used the first nukes and brought on some peace to the world, but they will also be the ones to use the next set of nukes that result in the end of it because the government running it are complete cunts mad with power.
USA is literally Nazi Germany right now. All it is going to take is one resource crunch to force them to the war that destroyed a formally stable and slowly growing empire. Such a waste.

"I WANT TO PLAY WITH THE PEOPLE, LET ME PLAY WITH THE PEOPLE, I'M TELLING GOD!", USA, 2015.
Calling it.

Oh hey Mr. NSA list, how are you doing? Labelling me as a terrorist pedo human trafficking hacker on steroids are you for insulting your glorious state?
I'm never going to your atrocious country anyway, blacklist me and label me whatever you wish to.

Re:US needs to back the fuck down (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#44386491)

You kidding?
Those stupid assholes would force a war on everyone else for being mean to them.

After all, they can barely go a decade without seemingly wanting to cause wars with everyone ever. They are the worst link of modern society and the one most likely to ruin all the work done by the millions of people since the last major wars.

i'd enlist (i'm not american)

Re:US needs to back the fuck down (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#44386359)

Imports? Actually, the US is the #1 exporter of food. Should sanctions happen, people would whine about their iPhones not coming to them, but will still eat. Other nations will be the ones that starve to death...

Realistically, the US is going to back down. Congress obeys the will of business, and if it interrupts trade, they will feel the tug of the leash.

Let them (5, Insightful)

Reliable Windmill (2932227) | 1 year,3 days | (#44386143)

Let this terrorist government burn their bridges. They need the world more than the world needs them. They deserve nothing more than having to crawl on their knees to get back with Europe, Russia and in particular China.

Are they joking? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#44386161)

So, if China took him in... Bye bye US economy!

Re:Are they joking? (1)

WindBourne (631190) | 1 year,3 days | (#44386371)

Quite the opposite. It would allow us to re-build our economy, not destroy it.

For crying out loud (5, Insightful)

cphilo (768807) | 1 year,3 days | (#44386169)

All Snowden did was let the us, (ya know...We the People of these United States) know that the secret courts, and secret spying was running amuck. As we employ these people, we should have a say as to what is funded. How would an employer feel if he had a secret project in his company that had an unlimited budget. Ya think he might want to know details? You think the head of the project should tell him that he did not need to know, security and all that. And that he had no right to know what was going on? This is beyond bizarre

A better idea (4, Insightful)

kwiqsilver (585008) | 1 year,3 days | (#44386171)

Can we send these Senators, the NSA/CIA/DHS/DOD/DOiJ fascists, and anybody who opposed Justin Amash's NSA-limiting amendment (like Barack "greater government transparency and protection for whistle blowers" Obama) to Russia and get Snowden back?

Re:A better idea (1)

cervesaebraciator (2352888) | 1 year,3 days | (#44386299)

The committee responsible is the Appropriations Committee. The membership may be found here [wikipedia.org] . Vote against them--it'll be a start anyway. (Though, I've been voting against the only one on the list representing my state for years. Unfortunately, as the minority leader he has too much clout. At least our junior Senator has some good ideas about the Fourth Amendment.)

Re:A better idea (1)

cbhacking (979169) | 1 year,3 days | (#44386357)

Agreed. I'm seriously confused as to how the US has managed to go to hell so rapidly and completely on this front. Did Sep 11 really scare the shit out of people *that* badly? I mean, yeah, it was awful. Yeah, it was a huge shock. Yeah, people demanded ACTION in response.

But that was almost 12 years ago. People who were six years old at the time, and quite possibly don't even remember it, are now voting age. Even with a significant portion of the government (including that two-faced bastard of a president) scaremongering to the best of their ability, you'd think enough people in this country would have gotten sick of this bullshit to put an end to it by now, and worked to get the country back to something which vaguely approximates the principles which it claims to uphold...

On a snarkier note, by and large Russians aren't such awful people. I don't really think they deserve our government either (not that their own is anything to be proud of). How about we offer them a nice month-long cruise along the coast of Somalia (after de-funding the anti-piracy patrols there) instead?

Oh noooooooo (1)

atari2600a (1892574) | 1 year,3 days | (#44386177)

Now all restricted trade with russia will have to be proxied through the european union! That'll be a slight inconvenience maybe!

What sanctions exactly? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#44386181)

They're going to stop exporting backdoored PC's and routers?

Let it be China (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#44386185)

Let the country that accepts Snowden be China. So then go ahead, pull the full court press. Put on sanctions, hell, put out a full trade embargo, a blockade even. Go ahead, go! Half a minute later, China stops buying US debt, and suddenly Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac look like the kids who run the lemonade stand beside the very slippery slope right through the gates of hell. But go ahead US legislators, go full blowhard. What goes around.

Seriously? What am I missing? (5, Interesting)

youngatheart (1922394) | 1 year,3 days | (#44386197)

So we know that the NSA lied to Congress and about half of the representatives want to stop the spying that Snowden told us about. That would seem to make the implication that Congress has realized that the few people who actually seem to care are in the majority against it. So Snowden shouldn't be that big a fish. We have federal laws against illegal immigration but the feds have decided not to put any effort into enforcement since it isn't popular. We have federal laws against marajuana, but with states making it legal, the feds have decided not to put any effort into enforcement. Now we have one guy and enforcement isn't popular, but yet they're making a big deal of enforcement?

On the one hand, I kinda get it, you have to enforce the laws to keep your secrets safe. On the other hand they're doing that already and have made it impossible for Snowden to return to the US without likely imprisonment. Isn't that more than enough? I'm surprised they'd do something to harm international relations over it.

Is it possible that Snowden has more information they're afraid that he'll turn over to another government? If he does, what could it be to be worth this witchhunt? It reminds me of Assuange which became a much bigger witchhunt than it seemed to warrant. I'm beginning to think that there must be some really ugly skeletons in the closet if Congress is this worried about people spilling secrets.

Re:Seriously? What am I missing? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#44386463)

I'm surprised people are surprised.

When a little piss-ant threatens to call you on breaching the constitution and other unlawful acts, it threatens a lot more than just some weenies on tech forums. Think about it, a group of elite: by the people but NOT for the people. Snowden's actions are raising awareness of accountability through transparency - which everyone seems to have forgotten.

Snowden is a bigger threat than any boogie man (eg. terrorism) because of what the general public is being reminded of.

Priorities (5, Insightful)

cervesaebraciator (2352888) | 1 year,3 days | (#44386203)

First, let me say that I think Snowden has done us all a service. Setting that aside, however, the Senate has some seriously skewed priorities. One of the real foreign policy accomplishments of the President's first term was the 'reset' with Russia, which helped improve relations after the mistakes made during the Bush era. Among other things, this allowed the supply of our troops in Afghanistan over Russian territory when it hit the fan in Pakistan. I'm certainly not a fan of that war, but if we're going to have soldiers over there it's much better that they be supplied.

Is the Senate really willing to sacrifice the gains made with Russia "to get a 29-year-old hacker" (as he's been termed) who likely has already given away all the information he possesses? Is it worth the strength of our relationship with one of the world's great powers to get at one guy whom Lindsey Graham regards as a traitor? What exactly are the Senate's priorities anyway?

Re:Priorities (1)

fwice (841569) | 1 year,3 days | (#44386331)

replying to remove incorrect mod!

Re:Priorities (1)

WindBourne (631190) | 1 year,3 days | (#44386361)

First off, it is NOT the senate. It is one subcommittee. However, it is republican heavy and I think that they have just lost their minds.
For us to threaten any nations out here like this over this situation is just crazy.

BTW, I differ with you. Snowden is a disaster and has severely crippled the west's capability to understand what AQ, taliban, Syria, Iran, North Korea, Venezuela, and even China are up to. As such, with less understanding on each side, you are far more likely to go to war.

Re:Priorities (1)

cervesaebraciator (2352888) | 1 year,3 days | (#44386529)

First off, it is NOT the senate. It is one subcommittee.

Quite right. One of the most important committees (TFA is explicit, this is not a subcommittee but the "30-member Senate Appropriations Committee") and one that includes the Majority Whip, the Minority Leader, and the President pro Tempore among other influential senior senators. The appropriations committee is extremely powerful and has the ability to dispense or withhold both political patronage and discretionary appropriations (the kinds of pork that gets people elected). If the appropriations committee votes unanimously you can rest assured how the bulk of the Senate will view things.

However, it is republican heavy [...]

I'm afraid this isn't accurate [wikipedia.org] . Democrats are a slim majority (16 D: 14 R) and hold the chair. More to the point, both parties have lost their minds.

As such, with less understanding on each side, you are far more likely to go to war.

With regard to China at least, I don't think they're less likely to be put out if we avoid misunderstanding through espionage.

Re:Priorities (1)

msobkow (48369) | 1 year,3 days | (#44386453)

Well, when you think the run the world, you tend to overestimate your power.

Personally I hope Snowden stays in Russia. Their nuclear arsenal would make the US think twice about trying to pull a "Bin Laden" on Snowden.

Time for him to go to the United States! (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#44386205)

Let's see them put sanctions on *those* assholes!

Re:Time for him to go to the United States! (5, Funny)

number6x (626555) | 1 year,3 days | (#44386323)

Rumour has it that Snowden has requested asylum with the one place that the US government can take no punitive actions against whatsoever. A Place the US has no power or authority over...

Wall Street

behold the US Senate. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#44386207)

The fourth most useless group of assholes on Earth. Only outweighed by such stalwarts as the Kansas Board of Education, the owners of MLB, the Japanese Fisheries Board, your local HOA, and the executive board of News Corp.

Re:behold the US Senate. (2)

cervesaebraciator (2352888) | 1 year,3 days | (#44386325)

Where do you rank AC's who can't count?

Re:behold the US Senate. (1)

WindBourne (631190) | 1 year,3 days | (#44386327)

You missed the US house. They are worse.

You went full retard, man. (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#44386215)

Never go full retard.

As per usual (5, Insightful)

msobkow (48369) | 1 year,3 days | (#44386219)

As per usual the narcissistic US government thinks it runs the world. Fuck you all.

Re:As per usual (1)

WindBourne (631190) | 1 year,3 days | (#44386311)

Normally, I would differ with such a post. But god, we have become INSANE.

Re:As per usual (1)

msobkow (48369) | 1 year,3 days | (#44386405)

I wish Canada didn't have an extradition treaty with the US, or I'd be writing and emailing the PM encouraging him to take in Snowden.

Re:As per usual (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#44386527)

Hate the government, don't hate the people. We're embarrassed of our representatives too, but it's hard to get them out when they are in there.

I plan to enact sanctions... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#44386221)

I plan to enact sanctions against any US "lawmaker" who pledges to enact sanctions against an entire nation -- purely because that nation is considering a valid request for humanitarian asylum. The United States has tortured and indefinitely held prisoners, and continues to do so. Hell, I'm a US citizen and I'm scared of the raw psychopathy my country's government has displayed these past twelve or so years. Until there are trials and those who tortured are held accountable, the reputation of the United States will continue to suffer worldwide, full stop.

Validates his claim (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#44386243)

Predictable as it was, this is about the worst US could do in this case. For the first, it indirectly validates many of Snowdens claims about what the US is doing. For the second, it lends support to any request for asylum - after this there can be no doubt that he can not expect a fair trial in the US, when the whole system is so clearly out to get him. It plays directly in Snowderns favor - what he needs now is more publicity and escalation of the matter. Before he was an international incident, Snowden could have quietly disappeared after the noise settled down. Now his disappearance will be noticed, and be front page news, even many years from now.

US Lawmakers, (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#44386281)

go f*ck yourselves... cause the world can't give a single f*ck of what you want... /eagle/burger/tits/guns/freedom/murica

Good grief. The republicans are nuts and now .... (3, Informative)

WindBourne (631190) | 1 year,3 days | (#44386297)

the dems have joined them.

Snowden is gone. We should just SHUT UP and allow him to run around for a while. At some point, he will want to come back to the west. We can capture him then. However, if we act this nuts threatening all other nations, then at some point, a Russian or Chinese will run and they will want him back.
This is about as insane as the issue with assanage. The guy is NOT an American, nor did he swear allegience to our nation or to not reveal secrets. As such, we have NO rights to Assanage. To go after him like this is just plain foolish.

...and meanwhile (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#44386305)

The same vote struck down an amendment to reel in the NSAs domestic spying program. Oh the irony, the painful, gut wrenching irony ...

And i want the US lawmakers (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#44386319)

to insert wooden sticks up their ass.

holded holded holded (1)

ZeroNullVoid (886675) | 1 year,3 days | (#44386349)

holded holded holded holded holded holded

{0_0}

held

Re:holded holded holded (1)

ZeroNullVoid (886675) | 1 year,3 days | (#44386363)

Even worse, it was holed and not even holded....

The US wants sanctions against the US government (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#44386355)

We can't all get what we want. It's so sad!

China (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#44386375)

Personally, I'd love to see China offfer Snowden asylum. The likely result of a Chinese trade embargo would shutdown most wal-marts, and would be a catalyst in bringing manufacturing back to the US. This would be a win-win.

My initial reaction was really, my secondary reaction is to go to the liquor tore and start hoarding the best russian vodkas.

Sigh, I really think that our senators and congressmen are a big group of metally retarded ninnies.

beggar thy disaster (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#44386393)

the rest of the world has more reasons to sanction the US than we do over a WHISTLEBLOWER

Snowden is welcome in Canada (1)

future assassin (639396) | 1 year,3 days | (#44386421)

at my house where I legally grow dope. He can come help me work the garden and smoke all the dope he can.

I think I speak for the whole world when I say FUCK YOU USA!!! Hope you go down in flames in the next 5 years I'll get the marshmallows ready on a stick so I can melt them over the fire you burn in. I'll be standing on 0 Ave in Surrey roasting the marshmallows.

Double Agent? (1)

michael_rendier (2601249) | 1 year,3 days | (#44386435)

Anyone ever considered the possibility he's an NSA Plant? What better way to get on the 'inside' of the 'enemy'...proper media coverage and a bit of spin...some 'secrets' to leak to gain the trust of the 'whistle-blower' community? *shrugs*

Congress can't do that (1)

EmagGeek (574360) | 1 year,3 days | (#44386447)

Congress can't unilaterally "direct" the executive branch to do anything. All the President has to do is veto the bill (and he will) and too bad, so sad.

There's no way Obama is going to sit back and let Congress tell him what to do. It's that simple.

Name Names (2)

Sloppy (14984) | 1 year,3 days | (#44386479)

The Senate Appropriations Committee [senate.gov] supposedly did this unanimously so not a single one of these people can claim it's not their fault:

BARBARA A. MIKULSKI - Maryland
CHRIS COONS - Delaware
DAN COATS - Indiana
DIANNE FEINSTEIN - California
JACK REED - Rhode Island
JEANNE SHAHEEN - New Hampshire
JEFF MERKLEY - Oregon
JERRY MORAN - Jerry Moran
JOHN BOOZMAN - Arkansas
JOHN HOEVEN - North Dakota
JON TESTER - Montana
LAMAR ALEXANDER - Tennessee
LINDSEY GRAHAM - South Carolina
LISA MURKOWSKI - Alaska
MARK BEGICH - Alaska
MARK KIRK - Illinois
MARK PRYOR - Arkansas
MARY L. LANDRIEU - Louisiana
MIKE JOHANNS - Nebraska
MITCH MCCONNELL - Kentucky
PATRICK J. LEAHY - Vermont
PATTY MURRAY - Washington
RICHARD C. SHELBY - Alabama
RICHARD J. DURBIN - Illinois
ROY BLUNT - Missouri
SUSAN COLLINS - Maine
THAD COCHRAN - Mississippi
TIM JOHNSON - South Dakota
TOM HARKIN - Iowa
TOM UDALL - New Mexico

But maybe this was one of those "voice votes" where it wasn't really unanimous. It's being reported as unanimous, though, so the disgraced need to issue press releases disclaiming responsibility immediately, if they want to squirm out of this. I live in NM so I blame you, Tom Udall. Explain yourself.

Re:Name Names (1)

Sloppy (14984) | 1 year,3 days | (#44386559)

Is the "panel" some subset of the committee? (I'm not exactly looking for desperate ways to excuse anyone, just wanna make sure...)

somebody call the waaahbulance (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,3 days | (#44386549)

"If you tell mommy I won't let you play with my toys!"
Like watching a little kid running to his mom before his brother tells her that the runt has been eating all the sugar in the kitchen.

Coffee (1)

ISoldat53 (977164) | 1 year,3 days | (#44386555)

Better hope he doesn't go to South America. The US could not survive without coffee.
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