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Every Public School Student In LA Will Get an iPad In 2014

timothy posted 1 year,26 days | from the one-company-to-rule-them-all dept.

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Jeremiah Cornelius writes "After signing a $30 million iPad deal with Apple in June, the Los Angeles School Board of Education has revealed the full extent of the program that will provide tablets to all students in the district. CiteWorld reports that the first phase of the program will see pupils receive 31,000 iPads this school year, rising to 640,000 Apple tablets by the end of 2014. Apple previously announced that the initiative would include 47 campuses and commence in the fall." Certain companies (not just Apple) stand to benefit from this kind of outlay.

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That's not news (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,26 days | (#44401301)

Every student in LA Public schools gets a good education. Now that would be news.

Re:That's not news (5, Insightful)

FunkyLich (2533348) | 1 year,26 days | (#44401413)

This. Stuffing technology in schools in this manner has no impact on education. Facts actually sugest that pencil&paper and and show exact solution with answer lead to better brains than smart expensive pads which react to touch and simplify radiobutton selection options.

Re:That's not news (5, Insightful)

notanalien_justgreen (2596219) | 1 year,26 days | (#44401603)

Just think - with a class size of ~31, that's 1000 classes and teachers. If you spread that $30M over 1000 teachers you'd get about a $30k bump per teacher. Imagine recruiting teachers at $70k/year instead of $40k/year. I'm guessing you'd get a much better teacher, and thus a much better education for your kids. These constant stories of dumping technology onto kids never end with any positive results it's just sad. It's especially sad here because iPads are devices meant to consume, not to create. What a waste of taxpayer money.

Re:That's not news (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,26 days | (#44401661)

I would think at adding more teachers would be a better option. Class size has one of the largest impacts on quality of education.

Re:That's not news (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,26 days | (#44401653)

Citation needed

Re:That's not news (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,26 days | (#44401489)

Every student in LA Public schools gets a good education. Now that would be news.

Nevermind good education. That's a very broad and ambitious goal - what about having ALL of them just being able to read at their grade level?

If there a reading apps/games that'll make it fun, maybe this isn't such a bad idea.

so... 900 bucks for one or fifty? (1)

gl4ss (559668) | 1 year,26 days | (#44401303)

what are they paying?

Re:so... 900 bucks for one or fifty? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,26 days | (#44401323)

TFA, in big red letters:

"The district's $30 million will only cover the first 31,000 iPads"

you do the math..

Re:so... 900 bucks for one or fifty? (2)

amiga3D (567632) | 1 year,26 days | (#44401415)

By that math they could have gone to the Apple Store online and saved about 15 million or so dollars.

Re:so... 900 bucks for one or fifty? (4, Insightful)

Dahamma (304068) | 1 year,26 days | (#44401541)

From the article, it looks like that also includes all of the necessary apps and textbook/workbook resources ("Pearson common core system of courses").

Though at almost $1000 per student, that's still $500 allotted to a few apps and digital textbook licensing per student. If mega-mass-produced digital textbooks are costing $500 per *grade school* student no wonder the public school systems have no money...

Re:so... 900 bucks for one or fifty? (4, Interesting)

cervesaebraciator (2352888) | 1 year,26 days | (#44401569)

Paper books can be used over the course of several years with several classes of students. I wonder if the licenses in this case will only apply to a single student.

Re:so... 900 bucks for one or fifty? (1)

Dcnjoe60 (682885) | 1 year,26 days | (#44401671)

Paper books can be used over the course of several years with several classes of students. I wonder if the licenses in this case will only apply to a single student.

Yes

Re:so... 900 bucks for one or fifty? (2)

cervesaebraciator (2352888) | 1 year,26 days | (#44401755)

Well then. Now we see the textbook publisher's response to SCOTUS upholding the first-sale doctrine [arstechnica.com] . If a Thai student can import to the U.S. cheaper copies of the same book by the same publisher, that's all well and good. The textbook makers will just stop making paper textbooks.

What happens when this fails? (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,26 days | (#44401305)

Will anybody question the lobbying that went into this deal, or will they just attack the public school system for waste?

Re:What happens when this fails? (2)

alen (225700) | 1 year,26 days | (#44401349)

how is this different than buying all the books that a current student uses?

NYC school system licenses some online content that can be accessed via computer or ipad app for kids to catch up on skills at home. my son does a few units every day so that he doesn't forget what he learned last year. LA is just making sure every kid has access to it

Re:What happens when this fails? (1)

HornWumpus (783565) | 1 year,26 days | (#44401407)

How much can you get for school books on ebay?

Re:What happens when this fails? (1)

alen (225700) | 1 year,26 days | (#44401429)

when i was in school if you don't give back your books you don't go to the next grade and don't graduate. until you pay for them.

Re:What happens when this fails? (-1, Flamebait)

icebike (68054) | 1 year,26 days | (#44401483)

That was then. This is now.
The bleeding hearts wouldn't let little Juan languish in fourth grade just because his older gang-banger brother sold Juan's ipad.

Re:What happens when this fails? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,26 days | (#44401451)

" my son does a few units every day so that he doesn't forget what he learned last year. "

Ha-HA! What a loser. His head must be so far up his teachers' asses he can see out their mouths! *raises hand* Oooh! OOH! Pickmepickme teacher! What a dork! Don't bother trying to teach him about the birds and the bees, he won't much be using that knowledge anytime soon.

Re:What happens when this fails? (1)

Alphadecay27 (1277022) | 1 year,26 days | (#44401585)

how is this different than buying all the books that a current student uses?

It is an additional cost of over $900 which could have covered the cost of a laptop. Tablets are great for consuming content, not so much for creating.

What sort of creating? (1)

tepples (727027) | 1 year,26 days | (#44401719)

What sort of "creating" are K-12 students expected to do within the scope of their K-12 education that is impossible with applications running on an iPad with Bluetooth keyboard? Even high school programming can be taught on an iPad with Bluetooth keyboard thanks to various policy reversals on Apple's part that allowed Codea and Python for iOS to reach the App Store.

Re:What happens when this fails? (2)

Dahamma (304068) | 1 year,26 days | (#44401587)

how is this different than buying all the books that a current student uses?

One thing that came to mind immediately to me: no one really wants to steal a grade school textbook. But they would be happy to take an iPad that happens to have grade school textbook apps.

It was recently announced that over 50% of *all* crime reported in NY, SF, and LA involved a smartphone theft/robbery. If they don't have a 100% effective way of bricking these devices when they go missing there's going to be a crime epidemic in LA.

At first I was thinking "well, just don't let them take them home" - which is still an awful idea when the iPad *replaces* the textbooks (yay, no more homework!) But that probably wouldn't matter, who wants to go steal an iPad from each kid when they can break into any random elementary school and steal hundreds of them at once...

Re:What happens when this fails? (5, Insightful)

modmans2ndcoming (929661) | 1 year,26 days | (#44401693)

books are cheap to repair.

Re:What happens when this fails? (1)

modmans2ndcoming (929661) | 1 year,26 days | (#44401705)

Also... why is NYC paying for the followup content? There are plenty of free resources that are acceptable and free for that. Khan Academy is where I send my kids for over the summer and reinforcement work.

Re:What happens when this fails? (2)

DarkOx (621550) | 1 year,26 days | (#44401609)

Waste is waste, completely independent of who got taken to a nice meal at three star. Lobbyists are not the problem; politicians and public servants who agree to their agendas when said agendas are against those of their broader constituencies are.

Pawn shop boom predicted... (4, Funny)

AmazingRuss (555076) | 1 year,26 days | (#44401307)

.... Dec 2014.

Re:Pawn shop boom predicted... (1)

iggymanz (596061) | 1 year,26 days | (#44401361)

and narcotics boom, followed by junvie detention center boom

Re:Pawn shop boom predicted... (1)

GoodNewsJimDotCom (2244874) | 1 year,26 days | (#44401383)

Are you saying: Petty street crime targetting kids boom predicted? Or are you saying the kids themselves will just pawn it?

Re:Pawn shop boom predicted... (2)

icebike (68054) | 1 year,26 days | (#44401491)

c: All of the above

Nope not at all (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,26 days | (#44401309)

This is most certainly not a gigantic waste of money that will produce no positive results. Next time we should do an ipad and a pony.

Cost (1, Insightful)

jours (663228) | 1 year,26 days | (#44401315)

That's almost $1,000 each...? No wonder public schools are in trouble.

30000000/640000=46875 (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,26 days | (#44401317)

Can't the students just buy an iPad if they want one? It would be cheaper and they could choose from a variety of different manufacturers. Oh...

30000000/31000=967 (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,26 days | (#44401339)

30000000/31000=967, it's too hot for math. The point stands though.

Re:30000000/640000=46875 (1)

nurb432 (527695) | 1 year,26 days | (#44401461)

Not all can afford them even at the lower retail price, so no.

Re:30000000/640000=46875 (1)

modmans2ndcoming (929661) | 1 year,26 days | (#44401721)

It would have made more sense (And been way less expensive) to have a bond measure that was meant to subsidize the purchase of the iPads for those families who could not afford to purchase them.

$30 MILLION WILL ONLY COVER THE FIRST 31,000 (2)

ChaseTec (447725) | 1 year,26 days | (#44401319)

Holy crap that is expensive. $968 per iPad. Considering how good a Nexus 7 is I can't understand the thinking here.

Re:$30 MILLION WILL ONLY COVER THE FIRST 31,000 (1)

Seumas (6865) | 1 year,26 days | (#44401331)

They're always looking for the magic solution that will somehow turn all the students and their school scores around. I mean, you know, without actually having better teachers who are more accountable or anything.

Re:$30 MILLION WILL ONLY COVER THE FIRST 31,000 (2)

modmans2ndcoming (929661) | 1 year,26 days | (#44401735)

3 pegs pal....Bette teachers you can control for and in most cases have been achieved....Better parents who raise better children is where you run into 90% of the problems in educating children in poor districts start and then the poor students/parents grind the teachers down until you have teachers who just don't care anymore.

Re:$30 MILLION WILL ONLY COVER THE FIRST 31,000 (2)

alen (225700) | 1 year,26 days | (#44401363)

the price includes a lot of online course content for the kids

teachers are being commoditized into the role of babysitters and the real work is done by pearson and others

Re:$30 MILLION WILL ONLY COVER THE FIRST 31,000 (1)

DarkOx (621550) | 1 year,26 days | (#44401651)

teachers are being commoditized into the role of babysitters and the real work is done by pearson and others

There is nothing wrong with technology deskilling an industry. We invest an awful lot in educating teachers, if those workers could be directed to something more productive that would be wonderful.

The problem is educating primary and secondary school students is very important and there is not much indication these high-tech solutions are doing it well. So maybe its not yet time to push the qualified humans aside.

Re:$30 MILLION WILL ONLY COVER THE FIRST 31,000 (1)

Endovior (2450520) | 1 year,26 days | (#44401713)

There is nothing wrong with technology deskilling an industry. We invest an awful lot in educating teachers, if those workers could be directed to something more productive that would be wonderful.

The problem is educating primary and secondary school students is very important and there is not much indication these high-tech solutions are doing it well. So maybe its not yet time to push the qualified humans aside.

Counterpoint. What indications are there that the teachers are doing their jobs well? It's not necessarily the case that the technology is better, and the whole mess certainly reeks of a pork-filled lobbyist scheme... but really, how would that be different from the other public school offerings in play? It's not really possible to evaluate how effective the technology will be until it's out in the field, after all, so we may as well let the experiment run its course, now that the bills are paid.

Re:$30 MILLION WILL ONLY COVER THE FIRST 31,000 (0)

DigiShaman (671371) | 1 year,26 days | (#44401369)

It's California liberalism. That's all you need to know. It's not like that state is in any financial trouble or anything (trying not to laugh).

Re:$30 MILLION WILL ONLY COVER THE FIRST 31,000 (1)

Redmancometh (2676319) | 1 year,26 days | (#44401605)

I've never seen so many antiliberal pistd get voted up *snicker.* And I wonder why we're actually in the black here in tx

Re:$30 MILLION WILL ONLY COVER THE FIRST 31,000 (1)

modmans2ndcoming (929661) | 1 year,26 days | (#44401745)

since the people of the district voted for a bond measure the funds are already paid for by the people who live in the district so you statement makes no sense.

Re:$30 MILLION WILL ONLY COVER THE FIRST 31,000 (-1, Troll)

the_B0fh (208483) | 1 year,26 days | (#44401373)

So, when you buy a computer, you don't buy software? Support? Etc? Oh, I forgot, fandroids write their own software. How could i have forgotten that. Every kid should be writing their own software stack.

Can you pull your head out of your ass for a moment, and look at it clearly? Just like the pilots were not issued iPads as a computing device but as a way to manage and replace 40 lbs of FAA required manuals, this is the same. The kids are given a device that has their books (which are effing expensive) and tests on them, and a way to centrally managed them.

What the hell are they going to do with a 2 year old samsung chromebook (as suggested by others in the original thread)? Nothing. People don't buy a device just to have it do nothing. They buy it for the ability to run software they need. Right now, Androids still don't have the software they need. It's as simple as that.

Now watch me get modded down by all the fandroids.

Re:$30 MILLION WILL ONLY COVER THE FIRST 31,000 (1)

alen (225700) | 1 year,26 days | (#44401391)

but just imagine how much money they will save if the kids just wrote their own tests?

Re:$30 MILLION WILL ONLY COVER THE FIRST 31,000 (1)

the_B0fh (208483) | 1 year,26 days | (#44401417)

And graded each others tests. Distributed test grading. Can't beat that! Imagine a beowulf cluster of that! And runs linux too!

Re:$30 MILLION WILL ONLY COVER THE FIRST 31,000 (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,26 days | (#44401513)

Uh, most kids already DO grade each others tests, well, quizzes at least. I remember passing quizzes to the person next to us all the time after taking a quiz and getting it graded right then and there. Furthermore, evidence suggests the act of teaching stuff to someone else helps you learn it much better, so having kids devise tests and grade each other could be quite beneficial, as long as there was some teacher oversight.

Re:$30 MILLION WILL ONLY COVER THE FIRST 31,000 (1)

Redmancometh (2676319) | 1 year,26 days | (#44401615)

Was about to basically say this word for word.

Re:$30 MILLION WILL ONLY COVER THE FIRST 31,000 (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,26 days | (#44401537)

Now watch me get modded down by all the fandroids.

Probably because you're being rude and insulting by calling people 'fandroids' despite the point being perfectly valid. You could just as easily be called a fanboi because you're disregarding Android tablets as abjectly useless and you're being insulting to boot (because, in your mind, anybody who would chose a Nexus 7 has their head up their ass). Then, of course, you bring up Chromebooks for no reason other than it they were mentioned in another thread.

I forgot, fandroids write their own software. Every kid should be writing their own software stack.

Yes, everybody who owns an Android device writes all the software they use, and a Nexus 7 comes with absolutely no OS or software of any kind on it. There are certainly no e-readers or anything of the like available for Android devices. The kids would have to write everything themselves if the school district had chosen Android tablets. What a rational, well reasoned argument.

Re:$30 MILLION WILL ONLY COVER THE FIRST 31,000 (1)

IANAAC (692242) | 1 year,26 days | (#44401553)

So, when you buy a computer, you don't buy software?

...

They buy it for the ability to run software they need. Right now, Androids still don't have the software they need. It's as simple as that.

Has the common core standard even been finalized yet? According to one of the links in TFS it hasn't. I suppose it could be by 2014, but knowing the bureaucracy involved in both the standard itself and the LAUSD, I have my doubts.

Re:$30 MILLION WILL ONLY COVER THE FIRST 31,000 (1)

Dahamma (304068) | 1 year,26 days | (#44401643)

It has nothing to do with Android. Pilots operate $100M machinery every day and work in a locked cockpit with absurd security. Spending $1000 for a tablet to replace their manuals is a good idea.

On the other hand, an 8 year old with an iPad walking home from school in Los Angeles is what you would call "fresh meat".

Re:$30 MILLION WILL ONLY COVER THE FIRST 31,000 (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,26 days | (#44401435)

Not $968 per but $678 (which includes some software), still way to much
"The iPads will cost $678 each, which includes a case and a full slate of learning software, but no keyboard. Money for the project comes from voter-approved bond revenue. Additional costs within the $30 million include hiring about 15 "facilitators," as well as additional training and support for the first 47 schools."

Re:$30 MILLION WILL ONLY COVER THE FIRST 31,000 (5, Insightful)

foniksonik (573572) | 1 year,26 days | (#44401457)

You're forgetting the infrastructure to support it. Wifi in classrooms, provisioning system. School App Store. Insurance policy. Training for teachers. Licensing for content.

Re:$30 MILLION WILL ONLY COVER THE FIRST 31,000 (4, Informative)

guruevi (827432) | 1 year,26 days | (#44401533)

Especially that last one, the infrastructure is cheap (3 or 4 servers and a single sysadmin will give you management for 400,000 iPads). When each e-book costs on average $60/student, that's where most of your money goes.

Re:$30 MILLION WILL ONLY COVER THE FIRST 31,000 (1)

icebike (68054) | 1 year,26 days | (#44401515)

Holy crap that is expensive. $968 per iPad. Considering how good a Nexus 7 is I can't understand the thinking here.

And you thought Apple was giving all those computers to schools in the 80's and 90's out of good will?
This is what happens when those kids grow up and become teachers and run for School Board seats.

Given that the courseware is available on more than one platform, they should just give each kid
a voucher, and let the vendor's compete.

context consumption vs creation (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,26 days | (#44401321)

Tablets work nicely for casual content consumption; however, they are so limited for context creation. We should be encouraging our student to create and express versus simple digesting information.

Re:context consumption vs creation (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,26 days | (#44401387)

Actually it's the other way around: tablets have opened up content creation in ways that were previously closed to "normal" people who couldn't afford thousands of dollars for expensive applications. They are more powerful than desktop PCs from just a few years ago but they can be taken anywhere, used on the commute in on the bus or public transit, and they get students enthused about learning.

But you are welcome to keep riding your horse drawn carriage and keeping those buggy whip manufacturers in business if you like. The rest of us will move on though.

Re:context consumption vs creation (2)

Morpf (2683099) | 1 year,26 days | (#44401623)

Thousand of dollars for what kind of software? A simple laptop costs a couple hundred. And can be taken "anywhere", too. What do "normal people" use for content creation? Office packages like libre office or MS office. First one is free. What else? Image processing, GIMP is free and good enough for "normal people". Movie cutting... kdenlive is good enough for normal people. Maybe a sequencer for musicians? How about reaper, $60?

So can you me please explain what multi-thousend dollar applications those "normal people" now don't need anymore?

Re:context consumption vs creation (1)

narcc (412956) | 1 year,26 days | (#44401641)

Actually it's the other way around: tablets have opened up content creation in ways that were previously closed to "normal" people who couldn't afford thousands of dollars for expensive applications

Finger painting has never required thousands of dollars worth of anything. It has certainly never required software!

Re:context consumption vs creation (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,26 days | (#44401709)

They are more powerful than desktop PCs from just a few years ago

Doubtful, unless by 'just a few years' you mean ~5+ years (quite a long time in the context of computers). My desktop with laughably outdated components (a C2D and a HD4850) runs games, art programs, and just general browsing faster than any tablet I've used.

Re:context consumption vs creation (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,26 days | (#44401437)

Most people find it easier to "create and express" using a tablet than on a Windows based PC.

Re:context consumption vs creation (1)

Morpf (2683099) | 1 year,26 days | (#44401645)

Any source for this claim? Sounds a lot like: "I do, so should the rest."

Re:context consumption vs creation (1)

Dahamma (304068) | 1 year,26 days | (#44401667)

Limit in some ways, GREATLY expand in many others.

Can't wait for the dog to eat the homework. (4, Interesting)

jfdavis668 (1414919) | 1 year,26 days | (#44401335)

How many will break in the first week?

Re:Can't wait for the dog to eat the homework. (1)

amiga3D (567632) | 1 year,26 days | (#44401431)

A valid question. I'm pretty sure that a lot of those kid's parents don't have the money to pay for a replacement either. Maybe Apple Care will cover them. That would explain why it's around 1,000 bucks apiece for those tablets.

Re:Can't wait for the dog to eat the homework. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,26 days | (#44401701)

Your math just shows that being able to use a computer means very little:

30 000 000 USD / 640 000 students = 47 USD/Student (I rounded up the last cents)

Everyone can now benefit from... (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,26 days | (#44401337)

...an iDucation.

This will make 'muricans smart, honest. -iSalesmen

So when these poor kids break/sell their iPads (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,26 days | (#44401351)

Who pays for the new ones? Have a funny feeling the tax payers are going to have fun with this one...

Sue over injury (4, Insightful)

tuppe666 (904118) | 1 year,26 days | (#44401463)

Who pays for the new ones? Have a funny feeling the tax payers are going to have fun with this one...

The large costs will be when students get attacked for carrying around $1000 electronics.

Tried, didn't work (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,26 days | (#44401381)

Wasn't this tried before? The students and teachers found little use for them because they could not interact easily with their PCs with word/excel/email etc.

So much for competition and standards (4, Insightful)

markdavis (642305) | 1 year,26 days | (#44401393)

This is sad in so many ways. Primarily that there has to be such lock-in with public funds and on such an overpriced device. No need to go into ALL the details, it has already been hashed out on Slashdot before regarding price, toyness, theft, maintenance, battery wear, lack of E-Ink, lockdown, spyware, compatibility, damage, serviceability, insurance, attention span reduction, etc, etc.

Love technology, but sometimes it seems like it is not moving things forward, just sideways.... especially when it gets political.

Oh, and 30 million dollars for 31,000 tablets comes to $968 each. And that is supposed to be some special deal discount??? Meanwhile, the smaller, lighter, faster, higher res, second iteration of the Nexus 7 releases for $229 WITHOUT discount.

I hope they write their essays by hand then (1)

sandytaru (1158959) | 1 year,26 days | (#44401401)

Otherwise Louisiana is going to be rearing an entire generation of hunt and peck typists.

RTFA this time (1)

sandytaru (1158959) | 1 year,26 days | (#44401411)

LA the city, not LA the state.

Re:I hope they write their essays by hand then (1)

oodaloop (1229816) | 1 year,26 days | (#44401469)

Though at least they may have better reading ability than you. TFS says Los Angeles.

iPad a frightening Choice (4, Insightful)

tuppe666 (904118) | 1 year,26 days | (#44401455)

Ignoring the fact that you are giving children $1000 devices (Several times the cost of the opposition) that puts them vulnerable to attack. They are unfixable, and heavy, have to work with Apples closed garden. In a dynamic market where Apple is a niche player, its tablet sales dropping. You are rewarding a company that prides itself on not paying tax.

I'm glad its not my tax Dollars. This should have been given to a open platform, willing to provide low margin, easily fixable, assembled in America, Light, ugly tablets..that pays tax.

Its a shame because I think its a great idea.

Re:iPad a frightening Choice (1)

nurb432 (527695) | 1 year,26 days | (#44401473)

Considering the planned use of the devices, being behind a walled garden really isn't that big of a deal.

Now was Apple the right choice? Who knows, but i don't think its because of their 'store' restrictions.

Walled Garden an enormous Deal (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | 1 year,26 days | (#44401543)

Considering the planned use of the devices, being behind a walled garden really isn't that big of a deal.

The reality is I would hope that LA would have a separate store with free (cross platform) edutainment created by Local People, to support teaching and learning and the savings on not buying apple could have bought a lot of content, and got a lot of people jobs...rather than it going towards buying its shares back.

I think its offensive Apple have been chosen.

What were the other bids? (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,26 days | (#44401551)

As an employee for a different silicon valley company. I would very much like to know why we were not allowed to bid on such a device contract. Is this more political corruption?

Re:iPad a frightening Choice (1)

Dahamma (304068) | 1 year,26 days | (#44401707)

Yeah, I think this is going to be a disaster (and dislike Apple's walled garden model in general), but honestly they should probably put up as many walls around this garden as possible. Hell, put something in the firmware to prevent any apps from being installed or the device from being repurposed in any way - might make the poor grade school kids carrying them somewhat less of an obvious target to criminals. Otherwise the LA police will soon be opening up a dedicated "iPad Crimes Division" (can't wait for the "Law & Order: ICD" TV adaptation...)

Re:iPad a frightening Choice (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,26 days | (#44401559)

The school system isn't fixing anything electronic. If a hard drive goes out in a computer they are chucking the computer. Let alone a tablet.

Re:iPad a frightening Choice (1)

stenvar (2789879) | 1 year,26 days | (#44401595)

It is your tax dollars, since no matter where you are in the US, you will be bailing out that failing state. And California shows no signs of returning to fiscal sanity either.

Re:iPad a frightening Choice (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,26 days | (#44401639)

The governor just ran on the platform that their recent proposed tax increases would finally SOLVE all of California's budget problems. That is why you keep hearing stories about how people in that state now have a 61% income tax rate.

Are you suggesting taxing at 61% is still not enough to fund the government? Would 75% do it?

Re:iPad a frightening Choice (1)

the eric conspiracy (20178) | 1 year,26 days | (#44401689)

California will not get bailed out.

Money better spent on education (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,26 days | (#44401523)

Giving students computers? When you could, oh, I don't know, spend those millions on teacher education, classroom supplies and capital improvements that are probably critically needed but neglected because of retarded earmarked funds like this?

They tried this in Newark and it failed. (5, Insightful)

assemblerex (1275164) | 1 year,26 days | (#44401549)

I was just at liquidations for three schools where they tried this. Somehow they think that throwing high technology at bad students will somehow transform them into good students. The reality is three schools failed to perform, even with millions of dollars in apple miracle products. These children have a poor home structure, poor social structure that frowns on those who are smart as "acting white", a culture they idolizes those who chase quick money and material goods, and no penalties for parents who barely raise their kids. This too will fail, as technology is NOT a substitute for good parenting.

Re:They tried this in Newark and it failed. (1)

notanalien_justgreen (2596219) | 1 year,26 days | (#44401611)

It's not a substitute for good parenting OR good teaching. Kids need both and iPads don't help with either.

Re:They tried this in Newark and it failed. (1)

Adnonify (2964415) | 1 year,26 days | (#44401685)

If i had points +5 insightful for you!

Like Stallman said (1)

Bob Esponja (1416343) | 1 year,26 days | (#44401567)

"Please get into the public schools privative software to get free citizens" It's good to know someone listen him.

Re:Like Stallman said (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,26 days | (#44401621)

Did Stallman have a stroke? I never really liked the guy, but he didn't deserve this!

Re:Like Stallman said (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,26 days | (#44401631)

"Please get into the public schools privative software to get free citizens".

Huh? Was Stallman drunk or something when he said that?

Same story in the UK this week. Coincidence? (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,26 days | (#44401619)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2013/jul/28/ipad-tablet-computer-school-parents

Except that here parents will have to buy them, regardless of their income.

Also, check out the Netherlands "Steve Jobs Schools" :

http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/07/02/dutch-steve-jobs-schools-to-use-apples-ipad-for-entire-education-experience

Personally I am still undecided between thinking this is all a phenominally stupid idea (kids are going to be using IPads for everything for the rest of their lives so why learn how to write? Hey Mr Criminal, every kid walking to and from school has a IPad in their bag!) or too much of a coincidence to not be a coincidence.

Crime Wave Predicted (1)

SirBitBucket (1292924) | 1 year,26 days | (#44401635)

With Mayor Bloomberg (morn extraordinaire) claiming NYC's crime increase is due to iPads and iPhones ( http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/28/crime-is-up-and-bloomberg-blames-iphone-thieves/?_r=0 [nytimes.com] ) I predict a massive wave of crime as kids get beat up or killed for their fondle-slab. What a waste of resources. Perhaps they might consider getting rid of the teacher's union which is driving their state broke instead... http://reason.com/archives/2013/03/29/union-greed-drives-california-bankruptcy [reason.com]

America has gone mad (2, Insightful)

ikhider (2837593) | 1 year,26 days | (#44401637)

The Ipad is DRM. The kids cannot study, share or modify the code or freely run the programs as they wish. The kids are beholden to whatver rules Apple imposes. A better route would be an open device that allows for an understanding of how it works along with innovation. Consequently, generations of dependant users are not encouraged to understand and improve things. I prefer generations of innovators, thinkers, who share ideas, challenge and improve. Give the kids access to the source, let them root the thing. The devices should run libre software and made locally. Do you want Islaves or Thinkers? Rewarding oppression does not do much good for the world either. Apple's labour policies leaves a lot to be desired. http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/activate/2011/09/201194144739197637.html [aljazeera.com] The third world has better devices, like the One Laptop Per Child http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Laptop_per_Child [wikipedia.org] that runs the opensource Sugar OS. Heck, places like China, India, and South America have the right idea. They use devices that run LIbre software. Why is it that the US is taking the worst route possible? On everything?

Why iPad? (2)

Otome (2999075) | 1 year,26 days | (#44401647)

Why iPad? Reading textbooks and answering questions doesn't seem like it requires a premium tablet. Why not a much cheaper Android one?

Damn! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,26 days | (#44401649)

Talk about f**king up big time! Not only are they paying more than retail for (Cr)apple junk, think of the children! All of those poor kids having to use (Cr)apple's inferior technology. They will be at a huge disadvantage whe they graduate and have to deal with the real world, not (Cr)apple's walled garden and reality distortions!

Why.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,26 days | (#44401657)

Just why did they go with expensive ipads, instead of a more "made for education" version of some cheap $150 android tablet... Wasting money, you're doing it right.

A 30 year bond to pay for technology? (4, Informative)

modmans2ndcoming (929661) | 1 year,26 days | (#44401673)

A 30 year bond to pay for technology that is outmoded in less than 5 years?

smh

(Not just Apple) stands to benefit (4, Insightful)

Chas (5144) | 1 year,26 days | (#44401723)

Yeah. But MOSTLY Apple.
Sure, the stupid DRM'ed online-only "book" companies too.
Oh, and all the Apple stores around the area for when the little "darlings" inevitably break something.

I'd rather this money have gone into things that would actually BENEFIT these kids' education. Like building new schools or staggered school hours to reduce class sizes. Setting tighter metrics (or ANY metrics for that matter) on teachers to weed out the incompetent. Hell, increased police presence to help tone down the gang bangers.

But nope! Kidz gotsta haz teh bling bling!

Fucking morons...

How? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,26 days | (#44401751)

How does this affect me in Norway?

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