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FreeBSD, Ubuntu Offer Same NVIDIA OpenGL Support As Windows

timothy posted about a year ago | from the next-year-windows-will-be-ready-for-the-desktop dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "There's some good news if you use NVIDIA graphics on (Ubuntu) Linux or FreeBSD with their binary graphics driver: the OpenGL performance is comparable to Windows 8. Unfortunately, that's not the same for Intel graphics and AMD doesn't even offer a Catalyst driver for FreeBSD. FreeBSD offers a binary Linux compatibility layer to run games at the same (or better) performance as Linux, but unfortunately it's capped to running Linux x86 binaries and NVIDIA is the only GPU vendor with proper BSD graphics driver support."

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AMD Shooting themselves in the foot (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44445301)

AMD is missing out on that HUGE FreeBSD gaming market.

Re:AMD Shooting themselves in the foot (4, Funny)

0100010001010011 (652467) | about a year ago | (#44445325)

Yeah. Like the Sony PS4.

VGLeaks reports that the operating system used on Sony's upcoming PlayStation 4 is called Orbis OS,

http://www.vgleaks.com/some-details-about-playstation-4-os-development/ [vgleaks.com]
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/FreeBSD-Linus-Orbis-OS-PlayStation-OtherOS,23254.html [tomshardware.com]

Re:AMD Shooting themselves in the foot (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44445347)

Which, oddly enough, runs an ATI CPU/GPU.

Re:AMD Shooting themselves in the foot (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44445357)

I'm about 110% sure that AMD will provide Sony with graphics drivers for their GPU that they ship in the next Playstation, you useless pedant.

Re:AMD Shooting themselves in the foot (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44450319)

Yeah, but they will be buggy and otherwise broken. Two years later AMD will announce all product support has ended and their drivers will no longer receive any further bugfixes,. Sony will have to switch to an open source driver which doesn't even have hardware acceleration yet. In other words, Sony is screwed. They should have used Nvidia or intel.

Re:AMD Shooting themselves in the foot (3, Informative)

TheRaven64 (641858) | about a year ago | (#44445369)

The PS4 doesn't use a stock FreeBSD install, it uses something that incorporates a lot of FreeBSD code. So does Android (although not in the kernel) and so does OS X, but neither of them use the same driver model for GPUs either.

Re:AMD Shooting themselves in the foot (1)

static0verdrive (776495) | about a year ago | (#44445603)

This answers the question I was about to ask... I figured if the PS4 was based on FreeBSD there *was* an AMD driver, but you point out well that it may not be one usable by the (freeBSD) PC gamer crowd. Boo.

Re:AMD Shooting themselves in the foot (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44446481)

What FreeBSD code does Android use? And I mean specifically code from the FreeBSD project, not code writen by someone else licenesed under their code.

Re:AMD Shooting themselves in the foot (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | about a year ago | (#44446923)

Take a look in Android libc and count the number of FreeBSD copyright notices. They've recently been talking to us about upstreaming some of their changes and adding slightly cleaner layering of the kernel-specific parts so that they can reduce diffs. They're also thinking of pulling in a load of stuff that they stripped out over space concerns, as devices with 512MB+ of RAM really don't have to worry about the extra 1-2MB that locale support in libc adds...

Re:AMD Shooting themselves in the foot (1)

aliquis (678370) | about a year ago | (#44447369)

as devices with 512MB+ of RAM really don't have to worry about the extra 1-2MB that locale support in libc adds...

It's thoughts like that times thousands ...

Re:AMD Shooting themselves in the foot (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | about a year ago | (#44447633)

...that lead to efficient code? Sticking it in a shared, system-wide library is a lot more efficient than the current solution of every app that uses the NDK reimplementing it.

Re:AMD Shooting themselves in the foot (1)

CAIMLAS (41445) | about a year ago | (#44446779)

Isn't the PS4 shipping with ATI graphics/an AMD CPU?

Re:AMD Shooting themselves in the foot (1)

aliquis (678370) | about a year ago | (#44447411)

Isn't the PS4 shipping with ATI graphics/an AMD CPU?

I don't know what your point was really.

Could had been "So there is AMD drivers for it!" but as others has pointed out it's not really the same / not just because of that usable by FreeBSD right now at least.

It could also be "Isn't it ATI graphics?" but then what need to be pointed out is that AMD bought ATI a long time ago so ATI graphics really is AMD graphics.

And finally I suppose it could also mean that you think there's a ATI (AMD really) GPU somewhere on the board and then an AMD CPU somewhere else but for both PS4 and Xbox360 they are using an AMD APU so no discrete graphics.

Re:AMD Shooting themselves in the foot (1)

Narishma (822073) | about a year ago | (#44448595)

The PS4 doesn't use OpenGL, so it's a moot point.

Re:AMD Shooting themselves in the foot (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44445461)

I'm not a FreeBSD user, but this shows that sadly, we still have a long way to go when it comes to getting open source driver support. Sure, there are drivers for Linux nowadays, which I'll admit is a huge victory in itself. But having binary drivers only completely misses the point. The point of *open* drivers is to permit tinkering, which is a Greater Good that benefits all of us (including the manufacturer).

Re:AMD Shooting themselves in the foot (1)

muon-catalyzed (2483394) | about a year ago | (#44445733)

This is a great day for FreeBSD folk, now FreeBSD is even faster then W8 in some benchmarks. The closed source driver is a non-issue as long as nVidia would provide continuous support for it. Lots of key software is now working on FreeBSD like Libre and Apache office suites. PlayStation 4 is using FreeBSD too, so the AMD driver could also happen, interesting times!

Re:AMD Shooting themselves in the foot (1)

hhw (683423) | about a year ago | (#44446601)

Nvidia has been making a FreeBSD binary driver for at least a decade. http://www.nvidia.ca/object/freebsd_archive.html [nvidia.ca]

FreeBSD Graphics Driver Download Version: 1.0-3203 File Size: 3 MB Release Date: November 7, 2002

And pretty close to a decade already with OpenOffice: http://www.freshports.org/editors/openoffice-1.1/ [freshports.org]

11 Mar 2004 12:36:03

Re:AMD Shooting themselves in the foot (2)

Eunuchswear (210685) | about a year ago | (#44446697)

The closed source driver is a non-issue as long as nVidia would provide continuous support for it.

Nothing to add

Re:AMD Shooting themselves in the foot (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44447303)

No. AMD is releasing specs for open free drivers that will work on anything. If you run binary blob drivers then you just don't get freedom or free software.

It is nvidia that is shooting itself in the foot by only providing binary blobs. There are arm dev boards with pci-e slots available now. So, with AMD on Linux, FreeBSD, NetBSD, etc., one could run an AMD discrete graphics card on one of these ARM boards. Not possible with closed binary blob only nvidia.

Re:AMD Shooting themselves in the foot (1)

smash (1351) | about a year ago | (#44454095)

Why would Nvidia want to enable ARM support to cannibalize their own mobile chipset?

Re:AMD Shooting themselves in the foot (1)

Bengie (1121981) | about a year ago | (#44448605)

Of the people capable of tinkering with graphic drivers, they're all hired by AMD, nvidia, or Intel. Everyone else has no idea what they're doing in there.

Re:AMD Shooting themselves in the foot (1)

smash (1351) | about a year ago | (#44454085)

The irony of course here is that the driver for FreeBSD by Nvidia is a binary blob, and performs the same across all platforms probably because of this (i.e., a single compiler with nvidia flags is used for all platforms). The OS just compiles a platform specific stub for it - all the heavy lifting is done internally...

Re:AMD Shooting themselves in the foot (0)

nhat11 (1608159) | about a year ago | (#44445495)

lol if I could +1 this I would...

Re:AMD Shooting themselves in the foot (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44446043)

AMD is missing out on that HUGE FreeBSD gaming market.

Please, do not pick on me. I am doing all my gaming on FreeBSD.

And I only have Nvidia graphics for exactly the reason stated. Anyhow, I never used the Linux emulation for gaming except maybe if Flash was involved, because binary Linux games are kind of rare and if there is source, the Linux emulation is not needed. Wine is running fine, though, but only 32bit, too. I guess, besides Sauerbraten, Kolor Lines, ..., and everything HTML5, I really miss out on the 64bit gaming front.

I should go back to work, at which AMD graphics is not suitable, either.

Re:AMD Shooting themselves in the foot (1)

Pino Grigio (2232472) | about a year ago | (#44446851)

The ARB have released OpenGL 4.4 and I don't even have OpenGL 4.3 AMD drivers yet. The existing catalyst betas support about half of the 4.3 spec. So the garden isn't exactly rosy over here on Windows either.

Re:AMD Shooting themselves in the foot (1)

MacGyver2210 (1053110) | about a year ago | (#44447311)

It should be this easy on ALL linux distros. Here's a screencap of me installing the latest NVidia drivers on Lubuntu the other day:
http://youtu.be/49iq5A8d0e4 [youtu.be]

Re:AMD Shooting themselves in the foot (1)

aliquis (678370) | about a year ago | (#44447573)

It should be this easy on ALL linux distros. Here's a screencap of me installing the latest NVidia drivers on Lubuntu the other day:
http://youtu.be/49iq5A8d0e4 [youtu.be]

Yeah. That was like super-easy and I'm sure many Windows or OS X users would be impressed..

Also what's up with the lack of usage of the tab key, the multiple clears and I guess it would had helped if you had made sure the commands actually gave the results you where after in the first place + the warning at the beginning about a distribution specific pre-installation script failing.

As for FreeBSD:
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/compiz-fusion/nvidia-setup.html [freebsd.org]

Or openSUSE:
https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:NVIDIA_drivers#Easy_way_to_get_NVIDIA_drivers [opensuse.org]

Ubuntu:
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia [ubuntu.com]

Fedora don't seem to be all that user friendly in this regard:
http://www.if-not-true-then-false.com/2013/fedora-18-nvidia-guide/ [if-not-tru...-false.com]
http://rpmfusion.org/Howto/nVidia#GeForce_8_and_newer [rpmfusion.org]

Archlinux guide is a little longer.. But also cover much more:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/NVIDIA [archlinux.org]
Like I remember a recent thread on Slashdot where this likely would had been helpful:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/NVIDIA#Base_mosaic [archlinux.org]

Re:AMD Shooting themselves in the foot (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44447355)

FreeBSD gaming market is only available for nVidia users. nVidia knows this and supports FreeBSD since many years with excellent drivers.

And... AMD does not lose, because they still have market on Sony Playstation which is also FreeBSD (probably heavily modified).

in 3... 2... 1... (2, Funny)

cbope (130292) | about a year ago | (#44445317)

"...performance is comparable to Windows 8."

Oooh, this is going to get ugly, quick.

Re:in 3... 2... 1... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44445355)

Why? Because Windows 8 is known for it's ultra slick performance?

*wink* *wink*

Re:in 3... 2... 1... (3, Insightful)

readingaccount (2909349) | about a year ago | (#44445565)

No-one has complained about the performance of Windows 8 - in fact it's known for being a bit better than Windows 7 in some areas. It's just the shoehorned mobile-focus UI in Win 8 that's earned contempt instead of hardware requirements for a change.

Re:in 3... 2... 1... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44446445)

No one has complained, because they know no better ;)

Comparing to Win 7 is not a valid point.

Re:in 3... 2... 1... (1)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | about a year ago | (#44445741)

I probably need to clean my glasses. I've read it as "ultra dick performance" the first time around.

Re:in 3... 2... 1... (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44445379)

It's like the finger smudges on the screen are jumping right out at me!

Re:in 3... 2... 1... (5, Funny)

Sponge Bath (413667) | about a year ago | (#44445405)

Just wait for Windows 8.1 (with new Start button!). It will completely surpass FreeBSD in gaming market share.

Re:in 3... 2... 1... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44450201)

... It's just a button that sends you to the metro start menu....nothing interesting... sorry...

Source: I'm running Win8.1 Preview

Re:in 3... 2... 1... (5, Informative)

CajunArson (465943) | about a year ago | (#44445451)

It's kind of sad that people on Slashdot no longer understand that operating systems include modular components that can be replaced.

I installed Windows 8.. on a 5 year old Core 2 duo system using a spare hard drive. You know what? While I sure didn't like the UI choices MS made for Windows 8, it was at least as fast as my Arch Linux installation on the exact same box (the difference being that Arch got an SSD while Windows 8 was on an older mechanical hard drive).

In many ways the Windows graphics stack is well ahead of X (Wayland is fixing this fortunately, but it has taken a long time). The interesting thing is that the actual 3D stack in Linux, which practically ignores the X server in modern implementations, is actually quite good, but the actual core graphics in Windows are also very good despite what Slashtrolls would like to believe. Nvidia
has done a very good job at getting comparable performance levels out of both platforms.

Re:in 3... 2... 1... (1)

jones_supa (887896) | about a year ago | (#44446383)

That's exactly what I've been saying. A simple game benchmark isn't everything as the performance of the 3D stack, compositor and desktop components define the general use experience. You can easily see the difference by installing Linux to an Intel Atom or AMD Bobcat computer. Windows 7 and 8 will run like an oiled raccoon having all eye candy enabled, while at the same time on Linux any desktop effects, including a simple window minimize animation, will stutter.

Re:in 3... 2... 1... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44446589)

operating systems include modular components that can be replaced.

That is interesting.. so tell me, what UI did you use with Windows 8 after you found out the default UI isn't very good? I'm sure you replaced it with something much better.

Re:in 3... 2... 1... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44447295)

Good question, maybe he installed Start 8 to modify the existing UI, or swapped the entire shell to Blackbox for Windows... heck, there's a port of KDE for Windows, could give that a go as well.

Re:in 3... 2... 1... (1)

jedidiah (1196) | about a year ago | (#44446837)

> It's kind of sad that people on Slashdot no longer understand that operating systems include modular components that can be replaced.

Except MacOS and Windows don't really work that way. They simply aren't designed to. Neither is nearly as modular as Unix.

In Linux, this modularity leads to a meaningful level of diversity that a lot of trolls like to spin as "fragmentation" and a barrier to consumer adoption.

Windows has more problems than a graphics stack that has been hacked to violate Microsoft's own original OS design.

Re:in 3... 2... 1... (1)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | about a year ago | (#44447407)

despite what Slashtrolls would like to believe

There is deep denial that a Firefox extension update could introduce code that could steal their root password from their terminal session.

Re:in 3... 2... 1... (1)

smash (1351) | about a year ago | (#44454103)

In many ways the Windows graphics stack is well ahead of X

I think you mean "all ways". Note: "graphics stack" doesn't mean window manager...

Re:in 3... 2... 1... (1)

petrus4 (213815) | about a year ago | (#44516287)

Is Wayland interested in being truly portable, (as in offering support for the BSDs, and making things sufficiently and open that it can be potentially used with as-yet undeveloped operating systems) or are they committed to pretending that Debian Linux is the only alternative to Windows that exists, a la Freedesktop.org?

Yes! Econ-101 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44445423)

Then Nvidia continues to get my consumer dollars.

(Whew, that was easy...)

Re:Yes! Econ-101 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44445715)

Are you kidding me. Nvidia will lose more to shrinkage than will sell to the Linux crowd. Linux is a nonstarter in the mid to high leveled graphics card markets.

But go ahead... keep acting like someone with enough pull around AMD will actually bother reading your comments on Slashdot and think that this is an issue that needs to be addressed. I'm sure they'll get right on it.

Re:Yes! Econ-101 (1)

Coeurderoy (717228) | about a year ago | (#44446337)

That is totaly false, there are a huge amount of High Level Graphics Cards on Linux Servers, only they do not do graphics but number crunching...

It would be quite hard for Nvidia to support the Tesla on Linux for scientic computing, and not support the Titan on Linux...

And I suspect that there are enough bsd based number crunchers to explain the support of bsd by Nvidia for ahemm graphics

Re:Yes! Econ-101 (3, Insightful)

somersault (912633) | about a year ago | (#44446339)

Linux is a nonstarter in the mid to high leveled graphics card markets.

Are you talking about consumer or professional grade cards there? People do engineering CAD work and simulation in Linux. Steam is out for Linux now, and more games will presumably be on the way. Linux users are more likely to be power users who actually care about getting decent hardware.

Re:Yes! Econ-101 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44447193)

Are you talking about consumer or professional grade cards there? People do engineering CAD work and simulation in Linux.

They also use Windows and OSX. You're just paying more attention to those who use Linux.

Steam is out for Linux now, and more games will presumably be on the way.

Sure but I have yet to see a single game that is supports Linux that doesn't support Windows and OSX. Linux is an after thought in the Steam market by every vendor including Valve themselves. OSX isn't much better off. Neither Linux nor OSX have an exclusive game on Steam. Wake me up when that happens.

Linux users are more likely to be power users who actually care about getting decent hardware.

Maybe by percentage but not by overall numbers. Taking Steam as an example. Windows users count for roughly 95% of the user base, the rest is split between OSX and Linux. Linux had just under 2% of the last Steam survey I had seen, that gives OSX users just over 3% of the share. Are you telling me that Linux users are 47.5 times more likely to buy high end hardware compared to their Windows counterparts on Steam? That's nonsense and we both know it.

Not to mention that I'd bet good money that Linux has peaked on Steam at this point. There was a bunch of noise when it first came out but for as big as Steam presents themselves to be the fact of the matter is that out of their touted 50+ million users there are a good percentage who are inactive at this point. I know that about 50% of my "friends" on Steam haven't logged on in over 6 months at this point, a few it's over a couple years. Can you really count them as users? No different then Slashdot when it comes right down to it. There's somewhere around 3 million users with account on Slashdot. How many unique vistors do you think they get in a day? How many of them don't have accounts? How many have multiple accounts? My guess is that the number of unique visitors that Slashdot gets in a week isn't over 100,000 and the number of account users who have been active on Slashdot in the past 12 months isn't over 20% of total account holders. We could play those numbers out in a ton of different ways but I digress.

The bottom line is that there isn't this thriving high end user base that most people claim for Linux. There's some, yes, but it's not booming. And even if it were there are still a ton more users on Windows who are just as demanding if not more so.

Whats news about this? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44445453)

I see nothing new or surprising about this. But then again who uses FreeBSD. The proprietary Linux drivers have been that way for years.

Grain of salt (5, Informative)

gauntlet420 (646001) | about a year ago | (#44445459)

This article seems to be talking about newer hardware and the NVIDIA binary blob driver. If you're stuck with Nouveau and an older NVIDIA card, your performance is going to be much worse than Windoze. I recently de-Windozed a P4 box running a GeForce440MX. Perfectly acceptable performance under XP became molasses-slow under Xubuntu 13 - we're talking seconds per screen refresh, and lots of visual artifacting. Newer distys and the legacy binary blob drivers that support GeForce 4 don't play nice with each other either. I ended up yanking the card and putting in a Radeon 9800SE (with 1/4 the video RAM) and even with the open-source radeon driver, performance was astronomically better - the machine was actually *useable*.

Re:Grain of salt (1, Funny)

readingaccount (2909349) | about a year ago | (#44445575)

I like how you insult Windows with a deliberate misspelling even though Linux was the one that performed worse with artifacts and whatnot. Goes to show some people are a little too attached to operating systems such that they don't have any actual problems in life to deal with.

Re:Grain of salt (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44445797)

The beloved children have many names. Adults, on the other hand, should be taken "seriously."

Re:Grain of salt (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44445845)

The "440MX" was a rebadged Geforce 2; that Radeon has a GPU about two generations more advanced, so of course it performed better despite having less vRAM.

Why are we bickering about 1990s video hardware anyway, though? My Voodoo3 doesn't run all that well in Fedora 18, either; what's up with that?

Re:Grain of salt (1)

The Moof (859402) | about a year ago | (#44446083)

This article seems to be talking about newer hardware and the NVIDIA binary blob driver. If you're stuck with Nouveau and an older NVIDIA card, your performance is going to be much worse than Windoze.

How old are you talking? NVIDIA has been providing blob drivers for FreeBSD for a long time. Even your GeForce MX 440 has drivers available [nvidia.com] .

Re:Grain of salt (1)

gauntlet420 (646001) | about a year ago | (#44447331)

Those 96-series drivers don't work with the latest Ubuntu disty, which is where I was having my issues.

Re:Grain of salt (1)

The Moof (859402) | about a year ago | (#44447469)

I completely blanked on the fact that you were talking about Ubuntu and not FreeBSD. Have you tried using the kFreeBSD kernel under the Ubuntu userland? I'm not sure how difficult it would be (looks like Ubuntu 10.04 had a package for it, but nothing newer).

Re:Grain of salt (1)

smash (1351) | about a year ago | (#44454107)

Or... you know... you could just run proper FreeBSD or PC-BSD at least.

Re:Grain of salt (1)

phorm (591458) | about a year ago | (#44448393)

Part of that might depend on what you're trying to do with the OS. Was there some compositing layer running on your Xubuntu install?

That's nothing, you insensitive clods... (5, Funny)

Type44Q (1233630) | about a year ago | (#44445501)

Unfortunately, that's not the same for Intel graphics and AMD doesn't even offer a Catalyst driver for FreeBSD.

I'm still trying to get the Tseng Labs ET4000 video chip in my IBM PS/2 ValuePoint to display more than 256colors. Apparently the chip itself is capable but there was a hardware bug in IBM's implementation (the chip is soldered to the motherboard, by the way) and it simply won't display 16 or 24bit color depths in Windows 3.1 without artifacting all-to-hell. I've tried calling IBM every year or so (since 1994) to see if they've released a patched BIOS for the problem yet but still no luck (however, now that Lenovo's in charge, things might finally shape up over there; my fingers're crossed...).

Re:That's nothing, you insensitive clods... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44445889)

I have that Compaq Qvision board in a modular Deskpro M witch also supports more than 256 colors. Too bad the resolution is 640x400 at full color. Windows 3.0 and even 3.1 are difficult to operate at that resolution on a 21 inch 30 kg crt-monitor so 256 color mode it is. Gray-scale support would have been cool.
  I'm still considering that Pentium 60 upgrade, but the EISA bus is really limiting when it comes to ability to upgrade display adapters.

Re:That's nothing, you insensitive clods... (1)

greg1104 (461138) | about a year ago | (#44447021)

When you order your Pentium 60, make sure you get a stepping with the FDIV bug fixed! There's still sooo many vendors with the old ones in stock.

You missed a possibility (3, Informative)

cupantae (1304123) | about a year ago | (#44445563)

FreeBSD offers a binary Linux compatibility layer to run games at the same (or better) performance as Linux

Or worse. It might be worse, too.

Support from NVIDIA is horrible though... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44445589)

Both AMD and NVIDIA need to release the code if they are going to compete with Intel on GNU/Linux. Intel's graphics may not be as good performance wise although they just work and work well. In comparison NVIDIA and AMD are problematic. They require non-free drivers (yes- even AMD- some distributions can't include the driver because of a non-free component) and support sucks. You are guaranteed to lose support the second these companies discontinue it and history shows it will happen. Comparatively the Intel stuff is maintainable by the community and there isn't a guaranteed discontinuation date. As long as there is someone interested and willing to support it there will be support. I would never buy a system with NVIDIA or AMD graphics nor a card to go in one of my machines. And when I know support is going to end it doesn't matter if it is "great" now.

Not an achievement really (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44445945)

OpenGL on Windows is a second rate citizen.

Re:Not an achievement really (1)

VGPowerlord (621254) | about a year ago | (#44446635)

This seems appropriate [dilbert.com] if you imagine that the yellow-haired person is OpenGL and the PHB is Windows.

Re:Not an achievement really (1)

smash (1351) | about a year ago | (#44454119)

Only because on Windows there's actually a second 3d API. OpenGL on Windows still works better than OpenGL on linux across the board.

the same or better? (0)

CAIMLAS (41445) | about a year ago | (#44446721)

FreeBSD plays games "as well or better" than Linux? On what criteria, the Phoronix benchmark which gave the FBSD and Ubuntu beta box different hardware?

Re:the same or better? (1)

petrus4 (213815) | about a year ago | (#44516253)

I could think of a couple of reasons.

a} A sane audio subsystem.
b} Generally a lot less crap running in the background, at least by default.
c} The BSDs are developed by adults, in general terms.

Before you respond to that last point critically, understand that I actually do know what I'm talking about. I've used Linux for ten years, and compiled both the Linux kernel and the GNU userland from source numerous times; and as a result, I am prepared to say with the authority that that gives me, that Linux is a steaming pile in technical terms, in comparison with FreeBSD.

Binary graphics driver (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44446889)

This is why http://ur1.ca/euny1 [ur1.ca]

For once I couldn't agree more with him.

What about HDTV support? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44448015)

If I connect an Nvidia graphics card to a HDTV over HDMI from a system running Ubuntu 13.04, will it automatically output 1920x1080 with no underscan issues? AMD can't do that, so if Nvidia can then my next GPU will be an Nvidia one.

Is this that time yet ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44448297)

The time we get ASLR and other exploit countermeasures turned on by default including ports in FreeBSD ?

"Proper" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44455475)

> proper BSD graphics driver support.

Perhaps it's only me, but considering it's multi-platform open source operating system, I wouldn't call X86/X86-64 only binary drivers "proper support"...

Hmm... (1)

bjoswald (2837207) | about a year ago | (#44521009)

I'm not sure if I believe this. I thought OpenGL has to pass through layers-upon-layers of APIs (just like sound) to do anything. All of that overhead can't possibly translate well to the average Joe. Plus, as we all know, Linux hardware compatibility is usually Plug 'n' Pray (i.e. plug it in, pray it works OOB).
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