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1,700 Websites In Russia Go Dark In SOPA-Style Protest

Soulskill posted about a year ago | from the one-short-of-the-full-enterprise dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Russians are going nuts over a new anti-piracy law that enables Roskomnadzor (the Federal Supervision Agency for Information Technologies and Communications) to 'blacklist' Internet resources before the issue of a court order. Indeed, 1700 websites have issued a blackout, just like U.S. firms did in protest at the Stop Online Piracy Act. The law, widely known as the Russian SOPA, has been slammed by some major tech firms from the country, including Yandex. Freedom of speech campaigners are worried it could be used for political censorship, while digital companies say it will slow down the development of Internet services in the country."

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In Soviet Russia... (4, Funny)

Sigvatr (1207234) | about a year ago | (#44459233)

...websites log out you!

Re:In Soviet Russia... (1)

theNetImp (190602) | about a year ago | (#44459551)

why is it I never have mod points when I need them.

Re:In Soviet Russia... (1, Funny)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | about a year ago | (#44460683)

...websites log out you!

That's very gay, but that also makes it illegal in Russia.

Re:In Soviet Russia... (1)

davester666 (731373) | about a year ago | (#44464153)

They are coming for him, and for you, for your knowledge of 'gay'.

Don't worry Snowden will take care of that (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44459255)

Isn't that why he's there?

Russia vs. Amerika (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44459281)

What's the difference between indiscriminately shutting down arbitrary websites without a court order and doing the same after a rubber-stamp judge applies his magic seal without reading the court orders*?

* Which would cut into his precious golf time.

-- Ethanol-fueled

Re:Russia vs. Amerika (2)

dyingtolive (1393037) | about a year ago | (#44459515)

Damnit Ethanol-fueled, you're sober. Get off the Internet and go buy a bottle of whisky before you embarrass yourself!

Re:Russia vs. Amerika (5, Interesting)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | about a year ago | (#44459741)

I don't know what the civil courts are like, but the criminal courts are famous for their >99% conviction rate. They really do exist purely to rubber-stamp arrests. The police are often nice enough to invite visitors to pay a 'reinvestigation fee' to re-examine the case before charging though - if the bribe is to their satisfaction, the charges are dropped.

I would assume the civil courts are similar rubber-stamps for various government agencies: Say something insulting to Putin, and you can expect someone to go over your site looking for a quote you've repeated without permission to use as a pretext to block the site.

Re:Russia vs. Amerika (1)

dimeglio (456244) | about a year ago | (#44460433)

In some countries judges are elected. Having a "rubber stamper" reputation isn't going to help them be re-elected. For those who have nominated judges, the process is similar except you have to go a little higher up the political chain. In Russia, all bets are off.

Re:Russia vs. Amerika (1)

Zemran (3101) | about a year ago | (#44468481)

Are you really one of those simple people that actually believe that democracy works?

Re:Russia vs. Amerika (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44460841)

The high conviction rates in Russia are due to the different court system. In Russia case brought to court by "Prokuratura" - a loose analog of State attorney in US. Prokuratura is separate from investigative branch of the police. In oversees police detectives and validates cases before they brought to the court. In the end, Prokuratura makes a decision if case going to reach the court or not. They are partially evaluated on the conviction rate.

Hence in court, Prokuratura argues state side it is their MAIN duty and in their best interest to insure that cases that reach courts are solid. This essentially results in the system where weak cases never see their day in court, which leads to the apparent high conviction rates for those that reach the court. Unlike US, where weak cases fall apart in courts in Russia they are dismissed by Prokuratura. Is it better or worse than US system is a different topic of discussion, but in reality the high conviction rates do not mean "rubber stamping" - they mean that weak cases are never tried.

Re:Russia vs. Amerika (1)

interkin3tic (1469267) | about a year ago | (#44460791)

Politics 102 is "If you object to something for some reason, be sure to mention other possible reasons to object to it, on the off chance that someone who doesn't care about your reason will care about the other reason."

Perhaps there are a number of Russian citizens who are opposed to the censorship, but are too apathetic to protest against it. Maybe there are Russian citizens who tell themselves that it will be okay, they'll probably only use it against bad guys. Perhaps censorship AND lack of any pretense of oversight will be a bridge too far. It's more difficult to pretend the government won't abuse it's power if there isn't any oversight. Maybe it will push them to oppose it, and that will be critical mass to defeat the motion.

Doesn't seem likely, but considering that little is risked by making an issue of the lack of court order, it's worth mentioning it anyway.

Re:Russia vs. Amerika (1)

Yvanhoe (564877) | about a year ago | (#44465117)

If the laws are more or less correct, you can then hope to have a correct justice if you fight corruption in the judicial system.

The fact that the legal problem is just the first problem of a long list of things to solve is not a reason to not go and try to fix it.

1700+ sent to prison and tortuere chambers (1, Funny)

cod3r_ (2031620) | about a year ago | (#44459295)

Not smart to fuck with the russian government.

Re:1700+ sent to prison and tortuere chambers (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44459393)

Yeah, it's better to cower in fear. Forever.

Re:1700+ sent to prison and tortuere chambers (3, Informative)

dyingtolive (1393037) | about a year ago | (#44459527)

Been working for me so far.

Signed, Proud American.

Re:1700+ sent to prison and tortuere chambers (1)

Impy the Impiuos Imp (442658) | about a year ago | (#44460377)

Imagine a boot stepping on a human face...forever.

Well, forever minus a few years now.

Re:1700+ sent to prison and tortuere chambers (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44459535)

Yes, it's always better to bend over lower and lower while empowering your abuser.

Yandex (0)

ls671 (1122017) | about a year ago | (#44459399)

I would have been happier if Yandex stopped scanning my site for a while but no luck... ...
199.21.99.91 - - [02/Aug/2013:14:35:29 -0400] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 403 202 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; YandexBot/3.0; +http://yandex.com/bots)" ...

Re:Yandex (1)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | about a year ago | (#44459781)

It's basically harmless. Doesn't use significant resources.

Doesn't do you any good though either: Yandex is a Russian search engine. The users speak Russian, so not many are going to be visiting an english-language site.

Re:Yandex (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44466717)

Come on... Every Russian techie has certain understanding of English. This was true even in Soviet times (although there were and are attempts to translate popular programming languages into Russian).

(I'm a Russian myself, although I have to post anonymously to avoid undoing moderation).

What political censorship ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44459449)

The Russian goverment said "XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX " and XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX on Monday morning. Following the official announcment that XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX to be XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX and will totally support Freedom of speech.

What hosting company? (1)

Utoxin (26011) | about a year ago | (#44459555)

Are we sure they weren't just hosted on Bluehost?

Re:What hosting company? (1)

amxcoder (1466081) | about a year ago | (#44460733)

Yeah, Bluehost, or HostGator, or HostMonster... a lot more sites than that are down in the US today. I'm sure a good portion of the US internet is down today, a lot more than 1700 sites. -jason

Re:What hosting company? (1)

masshuu (1260516) | about a year ago | (#44461207)

Hostgator hosts mosts of its servers with bluehost now. ...

Probably busy today looking at the forums.

Remember when.. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44459581)

the soviet union was the butt of all privacy and secret police jokes...

To the rescue (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44459663)

Perhaps Mr. Snowden will be able to help...

cu^ym (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44459735)

the 8eaper BSD's 200 running NT

Re:cu^ym (1)

VortexCortex (1117377) | about a year ago | (#44460737)

the 8eaper BSD's 200 running NT

Hmm, yeah, that would probably do the trick alright. IIS on NT in a BSD VM. I'd be on strike too if that's what I had to work with.

the only solution is to take away their control (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44459829)

large organizations (government, corporations, religious institutions) are enemies of individual freedom

the only hope we (the 99% or however you want to call the non-oligarchs/wannabe oligarchs) have is to create a communication and data distribution system that is outside of the control of any institution

peer to peer, anonymous, encrypted, and it has to be made simple enough that any grandma can connect using her large font smart phone

when this technology exists the oligarchs will have a choice: either give up any pretense of legitimacy and spend a large portion of their resources on a security apparatus north korea style, or give up hope of controlling communication thus controlling the population

Russian law ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44459915)

They have laws in Russia ?

Re:Russian law ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44466733)

Yes, we do. And as they say in Russia: "Russian laws are strict, but not mandatory".

How'd they coordinate it all? (1)

Netdoctor (95217) | about a year ago | (#44460219)

Simple.

They hosted on HostGator.

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