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Geeks.com Online Shop Has Closed

Soulskill posted 1 year,26 days | from the fare-thee-well dept.

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Duggeek writes "After 17 years, one of the best kept secrets in shopping, Geeks.com, has shuttered its online doors. Myself, I have a small book of sales orders from years past. According to the latest announcement, that stack will not be growing any larger. Quoting: 'Our vision has always been to provide the geeky tech consumer an alternative avenue to purchase quality refurbished and new techy products and gadgets. That vision was the cornerstone of our slogan "Best Deals Every Nanosecond." Unfortunately after a lot of difficult consideration the owners of Geeks.com feel we are unable to come through on this vision any longer. There are many why's... The e-commerce landscape, as well as the consumer electronics market, has changed dramatically with intense competition and a 1000lb gorilla (do we really need to say who) competitor that can lose millions of dollars to buy customers and suck up inventory. They can lose money with impunity, supported by the stock market. We cannot.' The landing page of their website now goes directly to this announcement; the storefront is switched off. They maintain a Facebook page where a combination of remorse and surprise is rapidly growing. The letter also asserts that they will fulfill all business obligations to online customers during their transition to both a solitary, brick-and-mortar presence in California and a wholesale division, Evertek. Personally, just about every keyboard in my closet was purchased from them, and another box full of USB devices as well. Five of my PC builds exist because of them. Feel free to share your own memories of the former Computer Geeks Discount Outlet."

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You should have told me it existed! (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,26 days | (#44465689)

Damn, I never heard of it before, it never showed up in my searches for parts.

Hint, you can't have a successful business if you don't tell people about it!

Word of mouth only works for drug dealers.

Re:You should have told me it existed! (3, Informative)

war4peace (1628283) | 1 year,26 days | (#44465765)

Same here. And I've been browsing the Internet for a long time, looking for geeky stuff.
Oh well...

Re:You should have told me it existed! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,26 days | (#44465805)

I could slurp your ass for decades. Ooooh... how I love it! I will slurp your snap! I am mega slurpoola!

Re:You should have told me it existed! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,26 days | (#44466267)

Same here. Only been building and buying computers for about 30 years.

Re:You should have told me it existed! (1)

demonlapin (527802) | 1 year,26 days | (#44466807)

Eh, I was buying from those guys since ~'95. Hadn't bought anything in a good while; they had good deals but it was almost all on older hardware and overstock stuff. That said, if they had what you needed, the prices were great.

They used to be "Comp Geeks" (4, Interesting)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | 1 year,26 days | (#44465775)

I bought my DEC Alpha Multias from them... Same machine Malda started Slashdot on. I had two...

Also got a couple of nice Seimens-made web-terminals, which I converted to low-noise firewalls with Astaro.

Re:You should have told me it existed! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,26 days | (#44465817)

This is the case of the worst kept secret. I most likely would have bought some stuff if had known about it.

I have used the 1000 lbs gorilla a few times & I am not proud of it. I am wiling to spend an extra $1.00 or $2.00 to use a better or more focused service.

Re:You should have told me it existed! (1)

pecosdave (536896) | 1 year,26 days | (#44466035)

I'm pretty sure they advertised on Slashdot in the past.....

Re:You should have told me it existed! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,26 days | (#44466325)

Whats an advertised?

Re:You should have told me it existed! (2)

ChatHuant (801522) | 1 year,26 days | (#44466425)

I wonder about the wisdom of advertising on a site dedicated to a community that has both a very negative view of ads and the technical knowhow to block them...

Re:You should have told me it existed! (1)

fredgiblet (1063752) | 1 year,26 days | (#44466501)

Are you talking about Amazon or Newegg? If you're talking about Newegg I have to say that I'm proud to buy fro ma company that stands up to patent trolls and I think everyone else should be too.

Re:You should have told me it existed! (5, Informative)

Seumas (6865) | 1 year,26 days | (#44465823)

Yep. Never heard of it. *shrug*

Then again, I've only been online for 24 years.

Re:You should have told me it existed! (5, Insightful)

Rizimar (1986164) | 1 year,26 days | (#44465889)

The focus of Geeks.com was largely on refurbished equipment, but when your customers have options like Amazon, Overstock, and Newegg, it is hard to compete. I've been following them for a couple of years, always getting notices of their latest deals in my inbox, and it seemed like they had a lot of the same sorts of products on sale: 1TB internal hard drives, 23" monitors, and always a ton of the same Dell desktop computers that had features that might would have been acceptable in an office environment a couple of years ago (limited RAM and hard drive space, sometimes with a basic Windows install). They recently started offering a lot of first-generation iPads for a couple hundred dollars each as well.

Part of the problem is that customers new to Geeks will quickly lose interest if they bought one of those items because the inventory never really changed, and the deals were always around the same price points. In a market where newer items often sport better features and tend to get cheaper over time for the amount of power and functionality you get, there's less incentive to turn to a refurbished marketplace, especially for such a limited selection of hardware.

Re:You should have told me it existed! (2)

mysidia (191772) | 1 year,26 days | (#44465939)

They recently started offering a lot of first-generation iPads for a couple hundred dollars each as well.

A couple hundred? I got a second generation iPad on eBay for a couple hundred, not too long ago.

I'm sure there's a market for folks buying iPad1s, but they've got to get a deep enough discount acquiring the refurbished equipment to sell them for a "fair" price.

They make it out to be the big online retailers selling at a loss -- when it's not. Something was broken with Geeks' business model, or the execution -- it worked once, but the environment changes over time.

Re:You should have told me it existed! (1)

Nutria (679911) | 1 year,26 days | (#44466053)

Or they were relying on geek loyalty to Geeks.com.

Re:You should have told me it existed! (1)

quantaman (517394) | 1 year,26 days | (#44466703)

They recently started offering a lot of first-generation iPads for a couple hundred dollars each as well.

A couple hundred?
I got a second generation iPad on eBay for a couple hundred, not too long ago.

  I'm sure there's a market for folks buying iPad1s, but they've got to get a deep enough discount acquiring the refurbished equipment to sell them for a "fair" price.

They make it out to be the big online retailers selling at a loss -- when it's not.
Something was broken with Geeks' business model, or the execution -- it worked once, but the environment changes over time.

Or they've got to offer something eBay can't. eBay is always going to be a bit of a stressful experience, what are the shipping charges? do they ship to your country? is the seller credible? what exactly are they selling (since every page is formatted a little different)? what is the quality like?

ThinkGeek seems to do alright, they can't really out compete amazon on breadth or value so they don't even try. They embrace their niche and can offer a much better experience for consumers in that niche.

There's a niche for a company that sells refurbished equipment at a higher price than eBay but offers a more polished experience. Either geeks.com didn't execute or they didn't get the word out.

Re:You should have told me it existed! (1)

1s44c (552956) | 1 year,26 days | (#44466751)

Ebay is hell. Paypal is worse.

If I can't afford to buy it new or reconditioned from a respectable supplier I don't buy it. Life is so much better that way.

Re:You should have told me it existed! (1)

Gr8Apes (679165) | 1 year,26 days | (#44466213)

The biggest problem facing geeks.com was that the parts market bottomed, as did the wholesale market. When you can buy a brand new PC complete or by parts for less than $300, there's not a lot of room for anything remotely usable for geeks.com's target audience. And if you haven't heard of them, you weren't putting together your own systems 8-17 years ago.

Re:You should have told me it existed! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,26 days | (#44466499)

The used market in PCs is so screwed up because people have no idea how to value them. New computers that are good-enough sell for $300. On the other side, used POSes start at the $100 level and go up from there. For example, a Pentium 4 computer (and not one of the newer generation ones, either) is an easy sale at $100 and people list top-of-the-line-when-new computers that are 3 years or more older for half their purchase price (i.e. $400+). Why on earth would I buy either of those at those prices, but, on the other hand, how do you compete with that on a large scale and make money?

Re:You should have told me it existed! (1)

1s44c (552956) | 1 year,26 days | (#44466757)

And if you haven't heard of them, you weren't putting together your own systems 8-17 years ago.

I was. I've still never heard of them.

Re:You should have told me it existed! (1)

Seumas (6865) | 1 year,26 days | (#44466361)

I think Amazon, Overstock, etc have also largely killed auction sites like eBay and my own (with about 100k+ users, since 1997). A few years ago, eBay started to invest heavily into non-auction related projects as they sensed the direction of the wind changing. Shortly after that (2010), I followed suit. My site was still going strong, but I had lost interest in the concept and wanted to open myself up to having time and resources for other projects I cared more about and realized that if eBay (and all the other sites that had action houses, which I have largely forgotten since then) was seeing auctions shrivel, there wasn't much future in it.

Of course, the one place that auctions still thrive are collectibles. Computer hardware, gaming related stuff, action figures, posters. Stuff that there isn't really any other market available for.

I rarely use auction sites, but they are *never* my first thought for *anything*. They are a last-effort choice when Amazon and every other option has fizzled out. Especially now that these sites offer such ridiculously cheap (often free) and fast shipping. It is VERY hard to compete with the shipping options of Amazon, Newegg, Overstock, Zappos and others if you're a small-fry who has to manually process and handle everything and pay regular shipping on items (how Amazon makes profit off their $80/yr for free shipping thing is beyond me).

Re:You should have told me it existed! (1)

mrmeval (662166) | 1 year,26 days | (#44465989)

I never heard of them either but I don't buy refurb ever now. I looked at the other site and won't deal with "log in to view prices" from anyone.

I have at least 20 vendors I buy from which usually beat the juggernauts in one way or another. Since I don't have to spend gas and I can shop for free shipping I'll piece together a system from a dozen vendors.

Re:You should have told me it existed! (5, Interesting)

sconeu (64226) | 1 year,26 days | (#44466251)

Exactly. This sounds like a place that I would have used... IF I HAD KNOWN ABOUT IT.

Re:You should have told me it existed! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,26 days | (#44466383)

Funny, that's how I found them, through searches. Of course this was a really long time ago before searches were flooded with bullshit results.

What made them great for me is the area I live in is one of the poorest in the country. Having a website like compgeeks to order older and refurbished parts for dirt cheap prices allowed me to expand my customer base to people that just barely have any money to spend on computers.

I still use one computer I built almost entirely out of parts from them. It's a home server that's a hodgepodge of things I don't really need but are nice to have. Would have never built that thing if it wasn't for the low overall price tag, I literally mowed two yards to pay for it.

Re:You should have told me it existed! (1)

adosch (1397357) | 1 year,26 days | (#44466415)

Boo Anon Cow! You must be 15. It's ok, us dinosaurs understand. JK.

Geeks.com (or compgeeks.com which is where I initially discovered them back in circa '98) is/was totally awesome. I bought new or refurbished from them and never had a problem at all. It was one of those 'shop-all' places for yester-new hardware, which IMHO, holds ALOT of merit against shops like newegg and a like today that only house 'latest-and-greatest' and have a pretty short shelf life for old tech. If I needed to find a CPU type to max out an old motherboard to give it's last 'spark' of useful life, or some obscure bargain-basement item that was worth the handful of dollars to try out, it was perfect. It was one of those places you could definitely depend on having that 'focused' item you were looking for in the end-consumer PC hardware market.

Thanks again for everything, Geeks.com. Sad to see you go.

It's OK. (1)

denzacar (181829) | 1 year,26 days | (#44466619)

Nothing of value was lost.

Well, for you, me, many others...

Re:You should have told me it existed! (1)

1s44c (552956) | 1 year,26 days | (#44466725)

Damn, I never heard of it before, it never showed up in my searches for parts.

Hint, you can't have a successful business if you don't tell people about it!

Word of mouth only works for drug dealers.

Same here, I thought I knew all the suppliers but I never heard of them.

How did this get on slashdot? Has everyone else heard of them?

Geeks.com (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,26 days | (#44465699)

I have fond memories of Geeks.com. Susan Weekes, who was in charge of orders and bookkeeping, gave me a blowjob. And man, was it the best!

-- Ethanol-fueled

Re:Geeks.com (1)

Noughmad (1044096) | 1 year,26 days | (#44465891)

Yes, but after she was finished, did they give you the seven monitors or not?

I've been a customer for a long time (2)

ebubna (765457) | 1 year,26 days | (#44465741)

13-14 years. This is a pretty big bummer.

blast from the past (1)

Dzimas (547818) | 1 year,26 days | (#44465769)

Wow. It has been well over a decade since I last visited the computer geeks site, and I assumed they had been gobbled up by a retailing giant. Their cheesy graphics and great deals on 802.11B PCI cards will be forever etched in my memory, along with my boxed copy of Netscape for my PowerPC Mac. It just goes to show that the internet was not the open retail playing field many assumed it would be.

17 Years (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,26 days | (#44465779)

I have probably ordered from them almost 17 yrs. One of the true trustworthy sites. I once ordered a usb wifi unit and somehow was sent an empty box.(?) I called and they sent the correct unit as next day for free (for me). Always excellent, WILL be missed.

I looked at your site once (1)

Davo Batty (2855025) | 1 year,26 days | (#44465781)

and couldn't find any horn rimmed glasses held together with sticking plaster.

Re:I looked at your site once (1)

IANAAC (692242) | 1 year,26 days | (#44466191)

and couldn't find any horn rimmed glasses held together with sticking plaster.

You're thinking of thinkgeek.com.

Joking, but I wouldn't be surprised to see something like that in their store at some point. I'm amazed they're still in business.

1000 lb gorilla (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,26 days | (#44465791)

Can someone elaborate an opinion on the "1000 lb gorilla" mentioned as being able to "lose money with impunity supported by the stock market"? I'm not sure what this refers to and am puzzled by the meaning of these statements.

Re:1000 lb gorilla (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,26 days | (#44465815)

Amazon probably

Galt would laugh at this statement and then spit at the writer

Re:1000 lb gorilla (1)

Nutria (679911) | 1 year,26 days | (#44465881)

I first thought NewEgg.

Re:1000 lb gorilla (2)

beltsbear (2489652) | 1 year,26 days | (#44466159)

They are probably referring to Amazon, but Newegg has probably taken more of their business. I do not see Newegg loosing huge sums of money on older inventory.

As a former reseller and heavy previous buyer from their sister company Evertek.com, we slowed our pace greatly when geeks.com came out as they were undercutting us on many deals straight to the consumer. They also sometimes kept stock on geeks.com that they sold out on evertek.com which left us with a bad taste.

Re:1000 lb gorilla (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,26 days | (#44465901)

Galt is an implausible fictional character, about as thoroughly thought out as a comic book hero.

Re:1000 lb gorilla (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,26 days | (#44465843)

Amazon. Was that so hard?

Re:1000 lb gorilla (5, Interesting)

ranton (36917) | 1 year,26 days | (#44466399)

As everyone knows they were talking about Amazon, but I assume your question was about the "lose money with impunity supported by the stock market" comment. Amazon is not a very profitable company. In fact Amazon it often takes losses quarters on end. I don't have the time to search for the actual figures, but I am pretty sure they have been operating at a loss since 3rd quarter 2012.

Wall Street still keeps their stock price up because of rising revenues so Amazon can borrow money with impunity to make up for these losses. This allows them to keep dropping prices even when they are losing money. A small company cannot do this. It isn't hard to raise revenues when you don't have to care about profitability or cash flow when setting your prices. This is why Geek.com was complaining that Wall Street allows large companies to succeed with business models which would put SMBs out of business.

I am not commenting on whether this is a good thing, but it is undeniable that it is happening.

Geeks.com? (1)

pecosdave (536896) | 1 year,26 days | (#44465799)

I was ordering from there where it was CompGeeks.com

They always had the coolest sell outs and unique, unexpected, weird items. Just whatever they stumbled across. I bought an IBM CRT monitor back in the day with unpowered Bose speakers in it, of course there was a proprietary IBM connector. They actually had a how-to on their website to wire your own standard connector up (and would do it for a fee). Found an amplified sound card, awesome sound.

Cheap monitors for the Japanese market, they sold LCD's for a fraction of what other people did when few people had LCD's due to some inventory error somewhere.

I think I paid $2 for a briefcase bag I used for a long time.

I can't remember everything I bought from there, but they always had awesome service.

Foolish (3, Interesting)

iamhassi (659463) | 1 year,26 days | (#44465819)

You don't shutdown, you adapt: newegg, amazon, sears and even walmart adapted to the ebay model, so now sellers can sell their own merchandise on amazon and newegg and buyers don't even know the difference. Only way you can tell is it says "item provided by $SELLERS_NAME" somewhere. That way geeks.com wouldn't need any merchandise, they would just operate the domain and hosting and take a percentage of every sale.

Re:Foolish (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,26 days | (#44466017)

"now sellers can sell their own merchandise on amazon and newegg and buyers don't even know the difference"

    And this is precisely the reason I won't even look for camera equipment at NewEgg any more. Since they've "adapted", their listings are full of third parties which, if you do some research, tend to have horrible ratings and reviews. B & H is more expensive, but a reliable supplier. If I want to deal with the quality and service of NYC camera sales outlets, I can do that directly -- there's no reason to have NewEgg as a middle-man.

Re:Foolish (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,26 days | (#44466411)

While I do make sure I'm buying form Amazon or at least a 'fulfilled by amazon' when shopping there or filter the products to Newegg only shopping there sometimes it is nice to be able to pickup something random from either of those that they don't stock directly without having to setup another account with another merchant.

Re:Foolish (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,26 days | (#44466097)

And doing geek shopping at newegg is now unpleasant. Their front page is full of wristwatches and coffee makers. If Geeks.com became the same shitty everything-and-nothing permutation as everyone else, there would be no point in its existence anyway. I'm counting down the years until Amazon is literally the only online store, and then we can all spend the rest of our lives wading through three hundred pages of iPhone cases being sold by strangers when we're actually looking for a hard drive, because Amazon sells so much that they can't be bothered to sort or categorize it themselves. Geeks.com knew what they had, and they put it where it belonged. It was heaven. Now all that's left is rapidly decaying shit.

CAPITALISM AT WORK !! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,26 days | (#44465825)

Be glad it does !!

Remember GUM ?? Where in Soviet Russia, stores' empty shelves swallowed you !!

WHAT?!? (1)

Pollux (102520) | 1 year,26 days | (#44465833)

I'm angry and sad at the same time.

First purchase was made back in 2001...pair of Benwin speakers....still with me this moment on my desk. Been a customer ever since. Even did many a purchase on behalf of the school district.

Too, too bad.

Does anyone else know of a good online fire-sale type vendor like CompGeeks?

Re:WHAT?!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,26 days | (#44466041)

Have you ever heard of a little website called Amazon.com?

If you can't find what you are looking for there, you can usually find it on Google. This is search engine that you can use to find things on the internet.

Is a fire-sale type vendor something like in the movie Live Free Or Die Hard where they had a fire sale? I think they also said something about fire sales in the movie Hackers, too.

Going to miss them (3, Interesting)

ToasterTester (95180) | 1 year,26 days | (#44465835)

I discovered them years ago and bought from them both for myself, but also companies I worked for. Their customer service was great. All the best with the store front.

The mega corporations are buying up or pushing out of business all the small businesses. I recently sold by house and moved and in process used a lot of local businesses. Talking with them most were saying they will probably be gone in 3-4 years. The big corporations are cutting deals with cash strapped cites for major concessions that are driving the little guys out with extra fees, permits, and licenses.

Re:Going to miss them (0)

iggymanz (596061) | 1 year,26 days | (#44465941)

it's a bigger problem than driving mom and pop shops out of business. Those corporations have our government and most others in their pocket, they are our "overlords". They are the reason the USA and UK (to name a couple places of interest to most of the slashdot audience) are turning into police states.

Re:Going to miss them (1)

Mitreya (579078) | 1 year,26 days | (#44465949)

The mega corporations are buying up or pushing out of business all the small businesses.

There must be other reasons in play here. Amazon and such are not big on offering cheap/refurbished equipment, which is what Geeks.com sold a lot of (to me, anyway)

Re: Going to miss them (1)

hemp (36945) | 1 year,26 days | (#44466297)

Geek also sold on Amazon.com. In fact, their shopping cart allowed you to login with your Amazon account.

You can complain about the megcorps but.... (4, Insightful)

DigitalReverend (901909) | 1 year,26 days | (#44466063)

They didn't become mega corps by being " best kept secrets in shopping". There's been a lot of this on /. where some little known entity is shutting down their website or closing their doors. I think too many people actually believe in the field of dreams, but I am sorry, just because you build it, they aren't necessarily going to come, unless you tell them about it.

Damn... waited too long (1)

erroneus (253617) | 1 year,26 days | (#44465855)

I wanted to buy another of those Antec USB power adapters. They are really nice and work well in my car plugged into my 750w power inverter. (Those damned car-power adapters just suck and usually top out at 0.5a which isn't enough for my tablet which draws more power than that from its battery.

I guess I'll end up paying more elsewhere.

Re:Damn... waited too long (1)

Strider- (39683) | 1 year,26 days | (#44466067)

I guess you've never been to Monoprice. I use one of their 2.1A car lighter adapters for my iPad, and it works very well. The main issue i have is getting it out of the socket, rather than having it stay in.

Not surprised (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,26 days | (#44465867)

I've never seen Geeks.com show up in search results. i only heard about them via word of month about six months ago. (In fact, I think I read about geeks.com in a post on /.) I only shopped with them once. As it turned out, while their prices were indeed low, those prices didn't include shipping, or cross-border duty. Those more than doubled the cost of my (previously believed to be) inexpensive item. It ended up costing me more to do business with the discount geeks.com site than shopping local retail or going to NewEgg. As a result it was my only experience with geeks.com. Though I will say their shipping time and their customer service were excellent. If I lived in th States I probably would have gone back to them, just for the friendly customer service.

"one of the Best kept secrets in shopping"... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,26 days | (#44465869)

Well there's your problem right there...

The funny thing about this... (4, Informative)

Red_Chaos1 (95148) | 1 year,26 days | (#44465885)

...is that it all comes from one warehouse location there in Oceanside. I worked for them for a short time as a temp. It was a less than fond experience, but that's beside the point. All merchandise for the 3 arms of the company come from the same stock. I forget what the 3rd company name they sold under was, but the items you bought under geeks.com was the same stuff you bought "wholesale" under evertek.com. I can only guess at why they feel the need to end the online arm of geeks.com if the store part will remain open, and the other arms (if the third still operates) use the same pool of stock. I will say this, they sold a lot of things that I wouldn't bother going to Newegg for because it would cost more.

Re:The funny thing about this... (4, Informative)

RudyHartmann (1032120) | 1 year,26 days | (#44465937)

There are 3 companies. Genica, Evertek, and Geeks. They're 2 blocks away from me in Temecula, California. Only the brick and mortar retail store is in Oceanside now. If you're a business, you can still buy from Evertek. I think they just bailed out of the online retail business. They have a pretty huge warehouse right here in Temecula. I just got the email notice, so I'm not sure what the rest of all this means yet. I'll find out more Monday though.

A sad day (2)

a9db0 (31053) | 1 year,26 days | (#44465895)

I can't remember how long I've been a Geeks customer - years. I've bought laptops, CPUs, memory, and miscellaneous hardware from them over the years. They were always a great place to check when you needed an older or oddball piece of hardware - often times they had it. Great service, great people.

You will be missed.

"1000 lb gorilla" (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,26 days | (#44465947)

Can someone please clarify who they are referring to in that part of the summary? I actually don't know..

Amazon (2)

rsilvergun (571051) | 1 year,26 days | (#44466015)

I'm assuming he means Amazon.com. Newegg is big, but hardly a 1000lb gorilla, and there really isn't anyone else major selling anything online. Amazon's investors are basically taking a huge loss right now with the assumption that Amazon will be the next Walmart. e.g. you'll get everything from them and when that happens they'll jack up prices.

Makes me wonder what America's going to do. Amazon and Walmart are putting the last of the mid sized companies out of business. They're already show that when that happens prices go way up (Amazon did it for books, Walmart does it in every market they take over). Are we gonna suck it down and just live worse or will we regulate them with the gov't?

Re:Amazon (1)

Type44Q (1233630) | 1 year,26 days | (#44466093)

Are we gonna suck it down and just live worse or will we regulate them with the gov't?

try Option C: They'll regulate us with the gov't.

Either way (1)

rsilvergun (571051) | 1 year,26 days | (#44466407)

I keep hearing this argument. That we shouldn't use the gov't and democracy to better our lives because the corps will abuse it. Newsflash, they already _are_ abusing it. Seriously. You have absolutely nothing to lose here. There's only to possible outcomes there. Does it really matter if the jackboot at your neck is a Free Market Jackboot (tm) or belongs to the gov't. At least with the gov't option you had a chance...

Re:Amazon (1)

colfer (619105) | 1 year,26 days | (#44466167)

Amazon is still losing money on books, according to the other bookstores. At one time it would have been considered a monopoly and forced to negotiate a settlement. Probably not now. I think dumping is one factor in a legal determination of monopolistic behavior.

Re:Amazon (1, Insightful)

hjf (703092) | 1 year,26 days | (#44466201)

DUUUH I will buy wherever it's cheaper DUUUUUH I don't care about brick and mortar stores DUUUUH they are too expensive and if they can't compete they should go out of busines DUUUUUUUH I don't feel sorry for them, they should have found another job. DUUUH i don't care if they had the store for 30 years and are about to retire, it's their fault because they should have adapted DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRR.

There's your answer. Look around slashdot and you'll see the average geek is a lot like the average person. They only care about the lowest price TODAY.

It's fine if brick n mortor goes away (1)

rsilvergun (571051) | 1 year,26 days | (#44466441)

if we're willing to accept solutions to the problems that creates. I see two problems: 1. lost jobs and 2. price increases when competition goes away.

Basically, the modern capitalist economy breaks down in the face of progress. I realize it's hard to get past that realization. In school I was never taught even the concept that there were alternatives to Adam Smith style 'competition makes everything better' capitalism. I don't mean I wasn't taught competing systems, I mean the notion that there _were_ alternatives wasn't taught. Capitalism was and is a tautology.

Automation is making labor obsolete. It's taking longer than we expected. Some things turned out to be trickier. But it's happening. So what are we gonna do? We still want all this stuff (books, movies, appliances, etc). The first world got by for 20 years or so by sending our slums to China. But we're running out of work. Foxconn's using robots now. China's losing out to poorer East Asian countries. We're all in a race to the bottom.

Given that our entire society is built around a 'if you don't work you don't get to eat' model, I really only see two options. Socialism and redistribution of wealth or abject poverty for all but a lucky few. (BTW, If you're reading /. in your spare time you're not one of those lucky few. ).

I'm open to alternatives, but all the ones I've heard from my libertarian buddies are either pipe dreams where people share their wealth in ways they have no reason too and never have in all of civilization, or just boil down to a round about way of achieving socialism. When I point that out they usually change the subject or just say 'well, screw it, I got mine. Let 'em die'.

Re:It's fine if brick n mortor goes away (1)

fredgiblet (1063752) | 1 year,26 days | (#44466677)

I'm not so certain that the old Communists weren't right about Capitalism being a stepping stone to Communism/Socialism (Yes I know there's a difference, but they're in the same category). I personally see the best option as a gradual shift towards reducing what's considered "full" employment, instead of 40 hours per week being considered the standard make it 35, then more people have to have jobs to pick up the slack. Raise wages to make up the difference in money for the lower-class, for the middle and upper classes perhaps just spend less on extravagances. Not sure that would work, at least not without enforcement by people who might have to take a paycut, but if it did it would solve a lot of employment issues. I'd also like to see a push for closed cycle living, recycling done on the backend where unskilled labor is absorbed by sorting through garbage to make sure that everything that can be recycled is.

Evertek == geeks? (1)

WaffleMonster (969671) | 1 year,26 days | (#44465957)

I was really sad to get email they were closing down been a customer since the dawn of civilization.

But then they mentioned evertek.com and WTF it is essentially the geeks site and inventory just with a different skin.

Sorry but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,26 days | (#44466005)

I know a lot of you have memories of this place but 1. I never heard of them. Marketing fail. 2. At Evertek, you have to LOG IN just to view the fucking price. They deserve to die.

Re:Sorry but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,26 days | (#44466247)

Evertek is a wholesale site, B2B, not a consumer site. It's not uncommon for those types of sites to require that.

Re:Sorry but... (1)

istartedi (132515) | 1 year,26 days | (#44466483)

That's no excuse. It just makes it that much harder to do cost analysis. Sorry. All your "I'm a b2b site" chest thumping doesn't mean squat. If I'm a purchaser, especially a bulk-purchaser, I'm expected to do some comparison. That means going through log-ins on all your stupid sites, instead of being able to automate it in some sane way. Electronic stock exchanges quote slightly different prices that get arbitraged away, and that business doesn't hurt, so the idea that price transparency will hurt your business doesn't fly with me. It's just a nuisance to customers.

Ancient history (1)

Tvingo (229109) | 1 year,26 days | (#44466025)

I haven't bought from them in ages. Seemed anytime I went there lately they just had old refurbished junk and the prices weren't even that great compared to what you could get that stuff for off ebay.

Long time customer (1)

Bodhammer (559311) | 1 year,26 days | (#44466029)

I extended a computer for about two years because I was able to pick up a P4 Extreme Edition CPU (Original List Price $1000) for $79. That was the most stable computer I ever had and was smoking fast in the day. Geeks will be missed.

Geeks... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,26 days | (#44466031)

I stopped looking at Geeks because I could most often get better overall pricing for items at other shops when taking into account their (geeks) shipping charges....

Re:Geeks... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,26 days | (#44466737)

^this^
Even during their Black Friday sales or using geekcodes. Then they automatically sign me up for some dubious 3rd party buyer protection service who now has my purchase details and contact information without my consent. I left them after that and haven't looked back...

Crappy timing (1)

damn_registrars (1103043) | 1 year,26 days | (#44466033)

I actually just sent something back to them recently and was waiting for its replacement to ship. I see they plan to honor such liabilities, so I should still see the replacement come. Nonetheless, I was planning to purchase some additional items from them soon and now that clearly won't happen as I live a couple thousand miles away from their store. I guess it's back to Microcenter for me...

the price is the problem (1)

Joining Yet Again (2992179) | 1 year,26 days | (#44466047)

Why do people persist to offer second hand stuff cheapest on eBay and Amazon? I am not referring to the cheap Chinese sellers who flood the market with first-hand but second-rate good-enough stuff, but people who for some reason decide that the only place that you can offer older stuff is Amazon/eBay, and if you also have a web site, to charge MORE on that web site - even though it is trivial to get a payment processor who will take way less of a cut.

So... reasons, please?

Re:the price is the problem (1)

timeOday (582209) | 1 year,26 days | (#44466185)

Maintaining an independent web presence requires a big outlay in advertising, so you have to charge people who shop there enough to pay for the ads that brought them there. Your flea market presence on ebay or amazon doesn't benefit from your brand, and wouldn't be competitive in that market if your margins were enough to sustain an independent brand.

Re:the price is the problem (1)

Joining Yet Again (2992179) | 1 year,26 days | (#44466217)

OK, let me be more direct: you can list something both on eBay and on your web site, but you list it for less on your web site, because you will pay less to sell the item there than on eBay. So you use eBay as a promotional tool, but prefer for customers to perform checkout on your web site, and encourage repeat customers to use your web site.

Since my credit card provider is better at challenging badly behaving vendors than Paypal/eBay is, and Paypal hate it when you chargeback, I'd also be happier buying off an independent web site.

Re:the price is the problem (1)

timeOday (582209) | 1 year,26 days | (#44466535)

It must happen, since ebay is riddled with scary warnings against completing transactions outside ebay. I guess ebay must do some level of policing against sellers using their website to advertise other websites. But after all, the ability to search in one place and shop under one reasonably consistent set of policies is worth something to customers. There's no way your Backdoor Specials will always beat everybody on ebay, so for people to find them they'll have to search ebay, and your site, and every other one of a thousand companies with the same idea. Personally I'm pretty cheap so I WILL do that, but only for largish purchases.

Re:the price is the problem (1)

VanessaE (970834) | 1 year,26 days | (#44466579)

"So you use eBay as a promotional tool, but prefer for customers to perform checkout on your web site, and encourage repeat customers to use your web site."

Because doing so is somewhat contrary to eBay policy:

http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/rfe-spam-non-ebay-sale.html [ebay.com]

Re:the price is the problem (1)

Joining Yet Again (2992179) | 1 year,26 days | (#44466643)

Except that many sellers include obvious branding in their packages or in e-mails, and everyone's cool about it. And the policy is partly just a way for eBay to try to stop people from moving outside the eBay system, obviously - although part of it is there to stop unscupulous fraudsters from offering to sell a specific listed (but often non-existent) item outside of eBay.

Re:the price is the problem (1)

hjf (703092) | 1 year,26 days | (#44466229)

It costs money to run a business. It's not the same to buy to Joe Sysadmin who stole a Catalyst 2900 from work than to buy from a store that has to keep a big warehouse, employees, and pay taxes.

Re:the price is the problem (1)

couchslug (175151) | 1 year,26 days | (#44466529)

Exposure!

It may not be the cheapest, but Ebay is very convenient for customers doing comparison shopping between new and used items. The combination of vendors and the wide variety of photos of different and similar items facilitate comparison.

So what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,26 days | (#44466075)

Big deal.

That actually makes me sad (1)

itwasgreektome (785639) | 1 year,26 days | (#44466095)

I've been purchasing from them for years. Even with myself, it was true I'd forget about them for periods of time while ordering on Amazon. But then I would rediscover it. Bought a lot of electronics off them over the years. Makes me feel like an asshole for buying from Amazon....

Re:That actually makes me sad (2)

itwasgreektome (785639) | 1 year,26 days | (#44466101)

To me, it was always "Computer geeks" or "compgeeks." The plain geeks.com wasn't familiar to me. Like when Facebook used to be thefacebook.com, and later changed it; for a long while I insisted on still writing out thefacebook.com cause it felt wrong to shorten it, not being true to it's original state.

75% of my orders there were defective (1)

Osgeld (1900440) | 1 year,26 days | (#44466127)

including the last one which is on its second return waiting for a refund

good riddance to the garbage peddlers

Re:75% of my orders there were defective (1)

Nov8tr (2007392) | 1 year,26 days | (#44466245)

Wow Karma is sure following your ass. You must have been a mass murderer in your last life. I NEVER had anything defective from them. Oh well you know the saying "what goes around comes around". So maybe you should just atone for your evil deeds now. :P

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Slashdot Humor (2996799) | 1 year,26 days | (#44466133)

Ha-ha (Score:1)
by Slashdot Humor (2996799) on Saturday August 03, 2013 @04:55AM (#44463567)
"1000lb gorilla (do we really need to say who) competitor"
Are they making fun of Thinkgeek's monkey mascot?
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Re:Ha-ha (Score:2)
by Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) Alter Relationship on Saturday August 03, 2013 @06:58AM (#44463857)
Is thinkgeek able to lose millions of dollars without much care?
No. They are talking about Amazon.
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Re:Ha-ha (Score:1)
by Slashdot Humor (2996799) on Saturday August 03, 2013 @04:32PM (#44465607)
Or maybe eBay?
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Re:Ha-ha (Score:1)
by Slashdot Humor (2996799) on Saturday August 03, 2013 @04:36PM (#44465625)
When Thinkgeek owned /., they lost millions of dollars without much care. Now Dice are the people losing that money.
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Sorry to see you go (1)

Nov8tr (2007392) | 1 year,26 days | (#44466225)

Sad to hear this news. I've done business with them from time to time for many years. I understand what they are going through with the changing market. I've been there before. I hope they read slashdot and can at least for myself say THANK YOU FOR ALL THE YEARS YOU WERE HERE.

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On a related note... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,26 days | (#44466337)

On a related note I recently stopped by HSC (http://halted.com/) in Rohnert Park to pick up some components on my way home from work. Their Santa Clara store (~2 hours distant) still exists and the website is still up, but I'm gonna miss wandering around the aisles looking for things I didn't know I needed.

Thank you geeks.com! (2)

kninja (121603) | 1 year,26 days | (#44466429)

I should have placed another order last month. I need a few things.

I loved Geeks.com, for buying extra cables for internal builds, tiny mice for laptops, hard drive mounting brackets, and all these little things you need to keep in stock for builds. My current graphics card (GTX460 for $90) and laptop mouse came from geeks.com.

If the owners are reading this, thank you guys for the good service over the years. I've been recommending you since 1999.

If you start up a leaner or updated business model, send out an email to your former customers and let us know.

Dude, even *I'm* selling on Amazon. (1)

sootman (158191) | 1 year,26 days | (#44466515)

They can too. If you have inventory, and you can sell it for more than you bought it for, you should be OK. Or even eBay. The last thing I bought on eBay was a random part to fix my clothes dryer from a seller with many thousands of good feedback. Get started!

Re:Dude, even *I'm* selling on Amazon. (1)

eclectro (227083) | 1 year,26 days | (#44466767)

I think that is the "1000lb" Gorilla that they speak about on their webpage! It's probably hard to do business with a former competitor.

I bought from them.. (1)

Falkentyne (760418) | 1 year,26 days | (#44466711)

Years and years ago when they were relevant. I think the most expensive item I bought was a refurbished digital camera that didn't work - they did take it back though and issue credit which I used for a different one that did work - bit of a long process though which didn't give me much faith in their stock. I probably bought some crappy keyboards too. They've had a couple sales over the years where the deals were lukewarm enough that I considered purchasing but by and large what they offered was a "decent discount". That about sums it up. Unfortunately for them I could get decent discounts from anybody and awesome discounts from a few other online retailers. There was also some issue a while back where they were hacked and I think some credit cards may have been compromised.

What they should have done was leverage their inventory using other online retailer's tools. Tigerdirect, Best Buy and other retailers have a presence on Amazon, Buy.com/Rakuten, Ebay etc.. the more exposure you have the more you can sell.

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