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Samsung Smart TV: Basically a Linux Box Running Vulnerable Web Apps

Soulskill posted 1 year,29 days | from the for-sufficiently-dumb-values-of-smart dept.

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chicksdaddy writes "Two researchers at the Black Hat Briefings security conference Thursday said Smart TVs from electronics giant Samsung are rife with vulnerabilities in the underlying operating system and Java-based applications. Those vulnerabilities could be used to steal sensitive information on the device owner, or even spy on the television's surroundings using an integrated webcam. Speaking in Las Vegas, Aaron Grattafiori and Josh Yavor, both security engineers at the firm ISEC Partners, described Smart TVs as Linux boxes outfitted with a Webkit-based browser. They demonstrated how vulnerabilities in SmartHub, the Java-based application that is responsible for many of the Smart TV's interactive features, could be exploited by a local or remote attacker to surreptitiously activate and control an embedded webcam on the SmartTV, launch drive-by download attacks and steal local user credentials and those of connected devices, browser history, cache and cookies as well as credentials for the local wireless network. Samsung has issued patches for many of the affected devices and promises more changes in its next version of the Smart TV. This isn't the first time Smart TVs have been shown to be vulnerable. In December, researchers at the firm ReVuln also disclosed a vulnerability in the Smart TV's firmware that could be used to launch remote attacks."

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Smart is as smart does (4, Insightful)

djupedal (584558) | 1 year,29 days | (#44467739)

Samsung isn't stupid....either worry about seminar hack-trolls or patent trolls. In the end, what counts is staying in the public's mind. Mission accomplished, I'd say. Wash, rinse, repeat.

Re:Smart is as smart does (2)

Hsien-Ko (1090623) | 1 year,29 days | (#44467821)

Yeah, not much different than a Windows 98-powered Media Center running WebTV.

Re:Smart is as smart does (2, Insightful)

jedidiah (1196) | 1 year,29 days | (#44467873)

Much like modern Windows, the problem isn't so much the kernel but the really retarded user land stuff. It doesn't matter if you are running VMS or Unix if you insist on engaging on Microsoft style stupidity with your apps.

Re:Smart is as smart does (4, Insightful)

icebike (68054) | 1 year,29 days | (#44468131)

Retarded is buying a camera in your TV and only THEN worrying about privacy.

Re:Smart is as smart does (3, Interesting)

AmiMoJo (196126) | 1 year,28 days | (#44469179)

I worry that it will become hard to buy one without a camera in a few years. Look at laptops, most have a built in webcam now. Years ago when I worked in a computer shop I saw a lot with tape over the camera, and sometimes offered to disconnect the camera and microphone internally while doing other work. Most are just USB cameras and two wire button mics that can be unplugged.

Re:Smart is as smart does (1)

soupbowl (1849394) | 1 year,29 days | (#44467989)

10/10

Incredibly stupid is as stupid does (5, Insightful)

dbIII (701233) | 1 year,29 days | (#44468157)

Samsung isn't stupid

Since they have a range of voip phones that crash if you do a simple portscan and they still sell phone switchboard systems that by default can be accessed by telnet with no password I disagree.

There are enough people in that place that do not care about computer security that it comes as no surprise that another wide open box has come out of there. Don't get me wrong, they do have some good stuff, but there's a lack of oversight and if the guys at the bottom of the tree don't care about something there's nobody giving them orders to care.

Re:Incredibly stupid is as stupid does (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,28 days | (#44469685)

Freemarket is perfect! /sarc

We need some regulations about not following basic industry standards. Telnet access with no password? That's a fine and people can sue you if they get exploited from the issue.

Re:Incredibly stupid is as stupid does (3, Interesting)

i.r.id10t (595143) | 1 year,28 days | (#44469737)

they still sell phone switchboard systems that by default can be accessed by telnet with no password I disagree.

Not sure how I feel about this. Is no password better than "admin" or "password" or "1234" for the default password? Lets face it, each device that ships is going to have a default way of accessing it for configuration.... The problem really lies with the people that *leave* it at that configuration.

Re:Smart is as smart does (2)

mcgrew (92797) | 1 year,28 days | (#44469381)

I'd say that anyone buying a TV with a microphone is the stupid one. Lets hope people are smart enough to kill this stupid NSA wet dream.

Re:Smart is as smart does (1)

cjjjer (530715) | 1 year,28 days | (#44469531)

You know your phone has a microphone....

Re:Smart is as smart does (1)

hairyfeet (841228) | 1 year,28 days | (#44469427)

Well all I have to say is....welcome to the club Linux guys, now that you have officially made it to the big time you too will have every malware writer on the planet gunning for ya. Coffee and donuts are in the back, try to just ignore the guy rocking and mumbling in the corner, that is the Apple guy and he is still kinda in shock after spending all that money on gear only to get pwned by MacGuardian.

Seriously though what did anybody expect? You have an OS that 1.- Has both the OS and the apps capable of updating, 2.- Have access to the web and finally 3.- No antivirus or protections for the OS and applications.....these things are a malware writers wet dream, just cook up a low resource bit of nasty to run in the background and you can using it for spying on the network, sending spam, keylogging, the malware guys probably ought to bake a cake and be sending to the guy that came up with the idea of Smart TVs because he couldn't have given them a better prezzie if he wrapped it in a bow.

But the best part, the part that makes the irony all moist and delicious? I have several customers with Smart TVs and after the "gotta get my money's worth by playing with the new toy" period wears off they ALL quit using the things because frankly they just suck and really don't serve a purpose in most households. After all they got smartphones and tablets and PCs set top boxes like the WDTVs and Roku boxes and they ALL do the web thing better than these TVs because you have to use really low power chips to keep it from heating the hell out of the set so what you end up with is frankly a subpar surfing device.

Re:Smart is as smart does (1)

i.r.id10t (595143) | 1 year,28 days | (#44469751)

The only things I've done wiht my (camera-less and microphone-less) Samsung Smart TV is watch the occasional youtube video with the kids and use the netflix built into it.

And since if the kids get into Netflix it eats my bandwidth so I can't play Xonotic, I usually just leave the TV's network cable unplugged. Fairly secure, no?

Smart TVs - just another means to an end (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,29 days | (#44467787)

steal sensitive information on the device owner, or even spy on the television's surroundings using an integrated webcam

That's how the NSA likes them.

1984 has finally arrived ... (5, Insightful)

cascadingstylesheet (140919) | 1 year,29 days | (#44467791)

... the telescreen watches you.

Re:1984 has finally arrived ... (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,29 days | (#44467929)

The people with the power watch the people with less information. This way in case one of the proles wakes up with information that counters the propoganda, he probably goofed on the Internet somewhere, even a misclick could be used against him. Once you watch what everyone is doing, you can pick and choose your political enemies you want to sit down. Hitler knew this. I guess they needed to wait until the people who fought Hitler were mostly old and dead before they tried this. Sure, it sounds good to be better prepared for terrorism, or to infiltrate the drug dealer cartels, but it is abuse of power to get us to this point, why should we not expect them to abuse power again?

Re:1984 has finally arrived ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,29 days | (#44468549)

But here, the problem is, that we let computer illiterates (people who can't even write a shell script, let alone a program) decide things regarding the making of computers and software.

It's the same with every industry. If you let pure managers, without an engineering background, decide the design of a car, you end up with shit. If you let managers, without a sales background, create a business model, you end up with bankruptcy.

And if you let managers manage, who don't listen to the very experts they hired, but want not only to decide things they have no competency in, but micro-manage it too... you end up with this shit.

The core of the whole problem is, that we give the job of management a higher value for no reason. We put it above the others.
But leadership, holding together a team, and management, are NOT the same jobs!

Whoever gets the final say must only be an arbiter between the decisions that all his experts make based on their area of expertise. And the manager is just one more of those experts. Nothing more. Let alone anything special.

If he happens to think otherwise, and think he should be the one to decide, then this is why: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect [wikipedia.org] ... Time to fire him.

Re: 1984 has finally arrived ... (1)

marcello_dl (667940) | 1 year,28 days | (#44469761)

you are perfectly right. the second part of the problem, though, is that the system with its banks and investments prefers clueless managers that roam unrelated industries in their careers than leaders with expertise in the field who obey to different sets of rules than the immediate carreer advances. who wields financial power wants people who bend to financial power.

Yep. (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,29 days | (#44467801)

I have two Sam'sDung SmartTVs. Yes, all these TVs are glorified Linux boxes running a badly collected series of apps. There is little to integration. Some won't accept keyboard input while other do. You either watch TV or run an App. Most apps are poor. The browser won't run most web pages and crashes. Yes, crashes. In this day in age it is hard to believe in your browser crashing nearly every time you try to use it.

As for security, I no longer use any of the apps as none are worth anything. Netflix is okay but not great but since I've gone back to DVDs from streaming I am blocking the ports (6000 mainly and I forget if another is in use) to stop the TV from phoning home every time it is turned on.

I blocked the ports because my firewall was showing connections to my LAN from very strange locations; Brazil, Japan, Russia. The problem is that Samsung's 'partners' are unknown to me and I'm sure it is these apps that doing the calling out. Who knows who wrote them, what is in them, and what they can really do.

The TV isn't bad when hooked up to my modified version of the PS3 media server project.

Re: Yep. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,29 days | (#44467829)

Why not just prevent the TV from connecting to the network on the first place? Much easier to do than blocking ports.

Re: Yep. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,29 days | (#44467855)

You don't understand. That's too easy and not nerdy enough!

Re: Yep. (4, Insightful)

OverlordQ (264228) | 1 year,29 days | (#44467877)

Real nerds wouldn't buy a smart tv since all those apps are outdated as soon as you buy it, rarely get updated, and have limited functionality. Real nerds would build a HTPC.

Re: Yep. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,29 days | (#44467979)

Thank God I'm not a nerd. Retired at 50 with 30 years of IT behind me, my wife didn't want another box that required me, nor her to spend our lives administering to it. :)

Re: Yep. (1, Informative)

spire3661 (1038968) | 1 year,29 days | (#44468117)

Antenna Win 7 DVR (w/nightly compression) has been up for 3 years. Win 7 off-site DVR w/CableCARD has been up for 2 years. NO administration required beyond initial, cheaper then a TiVo and MUCH more flexible. If you design something to function as an appliance, with a defined role, its easy to keep admin to a minimum.

Re: Yep. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,29 days | (#44467987)

Some of us just buy the TV and don't plug the ethernet cable in. Isn't trying to buy a non-smart tv like trying to buy a non-smart phone these days?

Re: Yep. (1)

dbIII (701233) | 1 year,29 days | (#44468177)

Or just run a HDMI cable across the hall from their real PC.
There's also projects like open source firmware for things like set top boxes - there's a little western digital one a few years old, and I haven't been paying attention for a while so for all I know there could be the same sort of thing for the smart TVs.

Re: Yep. (2)

gman003 (1693318) | 1 year,29 days | (#44468315)

Many "real nerds" would build an HTPC rather than run a cable from one of their current PCs, since that gives them an excuse to buy new hardware to play with.

Re: Yep. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,29 days | (#44468573)

REAL geeks wouldn't be nerds, and not watch TV anymore since a loong time ago.

If anything, it's a programmable WiFi remote control and WiFi projector, with a streaming file-sharing server box kinda thing sitting in the basement or (home) server room (strangely named "broom closet" in the architect's plans).

Re: Yep. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,29 days | (#44468647)

Real nerds would have watched shows from the internet, instead of wasting money subscribing on cable shows.

Re: Yep. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,28 days | (#44469729)

Isn't there free over the air content available? In the UK there are lots of free digital channels available and while most of it is crap, I still manage to record far more than I have time to watch, I did get the impression there were plenty of free TV channels available in the US too if you had a decent antenna setup.

Re: Yep. (1)

antdude (79039) | 1 year,29 days | (#44468261)

And smart TVs cost more. Why waste money on features that you don't use like 3D, apps, etc.?

Re: Yep. (1)

gl4ss (559668) | 1 year,28 days | (#44469241)

they don't cost more.. that's pretty much the point why they're putting them in.

shit cheap arm cpu's and shit cheap software.

Re: Yep. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,29 days | (#44468565)

or get a media streaming box (cheaper for econo-nerds), and set up a media server instead. I'd love an HTPC but it's not in the budget. a $100 roku box upgrade and the right app, however, is completely within my budget.

Re: Yep. (1)

AmiMoJo (196126) | 1 year,28 days | (#44469175)

Depends what you want. I have a HTPC but still use my Panasonic smart TV's media player most of the time. It doesn't have to boot up, doesn't use extra electricity, can be controlled with a single remote and plays most stuff fine. I also use the YouTube app to watch my subscriptions, and of course iPlayer.

While not perfect in every way these functions are more than adequate most of the time and very convenient. The biggest let down is that they randomly decided to disable THX picture mode in the media player, so to watch movies I sometimes use the HTPC.

Re: Yep. (2)

EmperorArthur (1113223) | 1 year,29 days | (#44467907)

The TV isn't bad when hooked up to my modified version of the PS3 media server project.

That's why. I'd love to hack one of these just for the hell of it. It might not have much internal storage, but other than that It would probably make a neat HTPC.

Remember kids, there is no difference between a jailbreak and a security vulnerability.

Re: Yep. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,29 days | (#44468111)

Why does connecting the PS3 to the network require the TV to be connected to the network too? Can't the PS3's TV output be connected to the TV's signal input?

Re: Yep. (3, Informative)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | 1 year,29 days | (#44468147)

Why does connecting the PS3 to the network require the TV to be connected to the network too? Can't the PS3's TV output be connected to the TV's signal input?

"The PS3 media server project" is a UPnP/DLNA media server [ps3mediaserver.org] originally designed to stream media to PS3s (hence the name). In this case, somebody apparently has the TV directly connecting to the media server software running on their computer, skipping the need for some sort of streamer box.

Re: Yep. (1)

Curupira (1899458) | 1 year,28 days | (#44469409)

I'd love to hack one of these just for the hell of it. It might not have much internal storage, but other than that It would probably make a neat HTPC.

Well, there IS a suitable project for this... SamyGO [samygo.tv] is a custom firmware for Samsung SmarTVs.

Re:Yep. (1)

spire3661 (1038968) | 1 year,29 days | (#44468097)

Can these Samsung Smart TVs be made to ignore all the convergence stuff and just be a monitor?

Re:Yep. (2)

vux984 (928602) | 1 year,29 days | (#44468235)

Can these Samsung Smart TVs be made to ignore all the convergence stuff and just be a monitor?

Yep, mine doesn't have a network cable or wifi connections. In fact all it has is one HDMI cable running up from my receiver. That's it.

The Wii/WiiU/HTPC/BRAYDVD/DVR etc are plugged into the receiver. The receiver isn't internet connected either.

When I want to do something online, the HTPC has internet access, and the Wii's can go online if necessary, but its not usually necessary.

As you can imagine the salesmen's pitch of the TVs long list of capabilities was shutdown pretty quick. All I cared about was brightness, black levels, and other characteristics of the LCD panel, along with physical dimensions and aesthetics (diagonal size, bevel thickness, screen thickness, etc.

I wish I could just get a great big monitor without having crammed full of smart garbage, 3d garbage, and "surround sound"... but that doesn't exist.

Re:Yep. (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | 1 year,28 days | (#44469353)

All I cared about was brightness, black levels, and other characteristics of the LCD panel

And you still bought a Samsung TV? Methinks price was a major factor.

Re:Yep. (1)

tlhIngan (30335) | 1 year,29 days | (#44468521)

Can these Samsung Smart TVs be made to ignore all the convergence stuff and just be a monitor?

Last I checked, you needed a network connection for this stuff. So all you need to do is... not plug in the network cable. Or configure the wifi.

So just use it as a TV and you're golden. No one says you have to plug in every cable the TV supports.

Of course, I suppose a smart Smart TV might try to use the ethernet-over-HDMI function ...

Re:Yep. (1)

mrfaithful (1212510) | 1 year,28 days | (#44469283)

Can these Samsung Smart TVs be made to ignore all the convergence stuff and just be a monitor?

Last I checked, you needed a network connection for this stuff. So all you need to do is... not plug in the network cable. Or configure the wifi.

So just use it as a TV and you're golden.

You know what's funny? I have a Samsung 40" series 6 that I can't remember the model number of - really early smart TV that's not worth the effort to use as one so I didn't bother to hook up the ethernet when I moved. At least once a month it would lock up, as in picture and sound still going, but the UI would either stop responding, or respond but not do anything requiring a hard power off to fix. Since hooking up the ethernet again it hasn't done that in nearly a year. Tin foil hats at the ready...

Re:Yep. (0)

emag (4640) | 1 year,29 days | (#44468175)

And people tell me that after my horrific Hamstrung experience with one of their pump & dump phones, I'm stupid for refusing to consider any electronics from them ever again...

Re:Yep. (1, Interesting)

symbolset (646467) | 1 year,29 days | (#44468423)

Samsung is a global conglomerate that makes 750 models of Android smartphone - and each model can have several variants. I believe they have a few feature phones too. Each is targeted at a different consumer. Some are for the most price sensitive, some the most demanding of cutting edge features, some for those who crave only the most open phone. If you want to be helpful maybe you could mention the specific model that raised your ire? And then maybe the selection criteria and buying process that led to you buying it without knowing if it would meet your needs. As far as I know they've got the variety thing well covered and I'm curious as to why you think if you bought the wrong phone for you it was their fault. Did a Samsung employee sell it to you directly or were you assisted by a retailer or carrier? Did you not consider the rich buffet of options of all brands, models, features, carriers and plan options before you and make a considered and informed choice? Whose fault is that?

Re:Yep. (0)

21mhz (443080) | 1 year,28 days | (#44469123)

So what you're saying is, if you buy the "right" Samsung device, it'll be OK, but if you are some poor schmuck who bought a random cheap Samsung because it fit the price point (like I did with my digital TV that crashes if I switch the UI language), it's your own fault if it will turn out buggy and unsupported? I say fuck that. How about choosing a manufacturer who serves all its customers well.

As this article demonstrates, you can get buggy vulnerable crap even if you buy their expensive Smart TVs.

Re: Yep. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,28 days | (#44469067)

Yep me too. Never ever buying their crap again. My SmartTV hasn't gotten an update since the new model was released even though stuff are broken.

Re:Yep. (2)

symbolset (646467) | 1 year,29 days | (#44468403)

I love my two Samsung LED SmartTV HDTVs. I have a 50" and a 55". The picture is glorious. I love how slim they are. The smart TV feature though? That's an implement of torture. Certainly they never intended it be used - it's just one more logo that has to be on the box. It's a big monitor. The audio is okish, for audio that's integrated into a TV, but that's not saying much. I don't use the speakers either. Frankly I almost never use the tuner either.

I don't think anybody in their right mind lets their TV connect to the network. There's just no value-add to be had there. If you want Smart TV get an Android HDMI stick, or the new Chromecast, or Roku, or one of the many other third party solutions.

On the upside, I was in a store yesterday and apparently you can get a 1080p display for under $400 now in about 47". Prices have come down a lot.

I know people are worrying about turning on the TV's webcam, to which I would ask who in their right mind would buy a TV with a webcam in it in the first place? Do you people not read Orwell? That's almost as bad as buying a games console with a webcam you can't turn off.

Re:Yep. (1)

Snotnose (212196) | 1 year,29 days | (#44468511)

My PS3 does the same. I farked up my laptop a couple months ago and tried to use my PS3 to get info on how to fix it. Pretty much everything past google crashed the PS3 web browser.

Re:Yep. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,29 days | (#44468739)

And still you bought TWO of them?

Re:Yep. (1)

MMC Monster (602931) | 1 year,28 days | (#44469213)

Couldn't you just disconnect the TV from the internet? Or am I missing something?

Re:Yep. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,28 days | (#44469347)

"in this day in age it is hard to believe in your browser crashing nearly every time you try to use it."

who would of thought in this day and age your browser would need to deal with a page of >900kb of multiple 3rd party minified javascripts and CSS just to handle a few mouseovers and drop down menus, view source sometime and laugh

Re:Yep. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,28 days | (#44469579)

>You either watch TV or run an App.

The "TV" is also an app. Just FYI.

Personal Media Center Samsung TV (1)

Chompjil (2746865) | 1 year,29 days | (#44467895)

All I have to say.....

Re:Personal Media Center Samsung TV (1)

Chompjil (2746865) | 1 year,29 days | (#44467897)

I think it was supposed to output Personal Media Center > Samsung TV

Simple: (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,29 days | (#44467921)

Never let hardware vendors deliver software.

Re:Simple: (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,28 days | (#44468983)

Except it's Apple.

To bad cable card failed and there has been little (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | 1 year,29 days | (#44467993)

To bad cable card failed and there has been little to replace it.

tru2way and RVU are there in small numbers but you are still stuck with the cable or sat GUI that kills off most of real use of an smart tv.

Re:To bad cable card failed and there has been lit (3, Interesting)

spire3661 (1038968) | 1 year,29 days | (#44468121)

My Win7, 6 tuner CableCARD setup says LOL

Re:To bad cable card failed and there has been lit (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | 1 year,29 days | (#44468207)

well maybe your cable system works goods others have to dealt with lot's of people at the cable co with know little about cable card or needed to call up and say I need to be in the Lsports pack and not the sports pack to get the HD channels in it.

Re:To bad cable card failed and there has been lit (1)

symbolset (646467) | 1 year,29 days | (#44468427)

Pay cable TV? People still do that?

Re:To bad cable card failed and there has been lit (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,28 days | (#44469413)

Pay cable TV? People still do that?

Yes, adults that live in the real world. Not everyone is a dweeb like yourself.

You all missed the point (5, Insightful)

aaronb1138 (2035478) | 1 year,29 days | (#44467999)

Thanks to bad headline choices you all missed the point. Samsung provided a ripe platform for hacking and development by making root easy (just like with their smart phones).

Shut up and get to work porting XBMC to it already.

Re:You all missed the point (1)

Smegoid (585137) | 1 year,29 days | (#44468209)

For what it's worth, there's a very decent Plex client that is under active development (check the plex forum). This app is why I went with smart tv. All the perks of plex/xbmc without another bloody roku/htpc box to drive it.

Re:You all missed the point (0)

aaronb1138 (2035478) | 1 year,29 days | (#44468313)

There are two bigger issues in the giant pile of FUD that the security community has been gravitating towards in favor of higher paychecks and less rather than more informed users. The first is defining the scope of damage. What can a hacker *do* with a compromised smart TV, versus how likely is the end user to just factory reset an oddly acting set. The second is ignoring multiple user failure steps as somehow being the software's fault. The latest HTTPS hack is a complete fabrication of an issue. Assume I am a cracker / script kiddie. If I can get the end user to a malicious website, I have already won. Wasting time with an SSL/TLS exploit is boring compared to a full key logger and Dark Comet install. But the genius and skill was never in the website code, SSL exploits, or Dark Comet. The hack was getting someone to go to the wrong neighborhood on the internet at the wrong time, not the mugging.

Ironically, I sell security consulting. I rather charge less and teach users more about risky behavior. Luckily, I have found customers who don't think charging less than $400 / hr for security audits is a bad thing and are willing to listen to advice most of the time. Hell, even Norton AV + AGV AV + MSE installs can be explained with multiple condoms not working and just breaking more often analogies.

Re:You all missed the point (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,29 days | (#44468417)

Damn, $400/hr? It's not like security is too hard if your a syadmin that's on top of a things and know the basics.

Re:You all missed the point (1)

EmperorArthur (1113223) | 1 year,29 days | (#44468657)

This is how Terry Childs [wikipedia.org] caused so much damage. The city paid people a ridiculous amount of money to audit everything. That's mega corps and government for you. Spend millions of dollars on after the fact security and blame it all on one person.

On the other hand, I have no problems with someone who is being payed $400/hr. It's the people that are crazy enough to pay them that much I have a problem with.

Re:You all missed the point (2, Funny)

phantomfive (622387) | 1 year,29 days | (#44468467)

Shut up and get to work porting XBMC to it already.

Well that motivated me to do it for you.

Slashdot up again (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,29 days | (#44468001)

Slashdot up again after being down for 10 hours

Re:Slashdot up again (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,29 days | (#44468007)

heu 1 hour?

Re:Slashdot up again (1)

crutchy (1949900) | 1 year,29 days | (#44468323)

phew! and to think i was about to venture outside!

Re:Slashdot up again (-1, Offtopic)

symbolset (646467) | 1 year,29 days | (#44468441)

Don't do it! I made it to the mailbox once and there are strange people out there with bumps in the wrong places. Made me dash back and do some deep research. Apparently there's a whole genre about this with memes and everything. It was scary and it made me feel funny. I'm still investigating but apparently the funny feeling gets worse about 45 minutes, and then there's about 30 minutes of less tension. I'm working on a blog report about it, in 30 minute increments.

Not specific to Samsung (1)

confused one (671304) | 1 year,29 days | (#44468173)

This description is not specific to just Samsung. Other manufacturers follow the same pattern with their smart TVs

Samsung is still the king (2)

petermp (891968) | 1 year,29 days | (#44468215)

I own both LG(2013) and Samsung(2012) Tvs. I bought it on purpose w/o camera ;-) However Samsung is still the king, apps are much more polished,DLNA works MUCH better. However you realize that after you buy something different from Samsung. If you use DLNA a lot, Samsung is the only way to go.

Re:Samsung is still the king NOT (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,29 days | (#44468685)

Hahahahaha....

DLNA works on samsung... hahaha.... but you get no SEEKING in files or did they ""fix"" that in the 2012 model?. Ever watch the half of the movie again because samsung could not even seek in an movie file.. even airplay works better.......and you never been to the samygo website did you... you can root out a lot of samsungtv just by inserting a usb stick and running the right scripts.... for YEARS....

The only smart TV will be one with iOS or Android... the rest is like having a ipaq vs ipad.

Re:Samsung is still the king (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,28 days | (#44468995)

Buy a Panasonic. It wipes the floor with your Samsung.

Samsung (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,29 days | (#44468239)

Have they ever written a secure piece of software? Their layer of apps they force on phones is full of holes too.

Re:Samsung (1)

crutchy (1949900) | 1 year,29 days | (#44468329)

Their layer of apps they force on phones is full of holes too.

at least its not full of stars... then i'd be worried

"Smart" is nice (1)

istartedi (132515) | 1 year,29 days | (#44468253)

"Smart" is undergoing a semantic evolution similar to that of nice [hull.ac.uk]

Re:"Smart" is nice (1)

crutchy (1949900) | 1 year,29 days | (#44468339)

"smart" devices is only a term relative to the morons that use them

Re:"Smart" is nice (2)

JustOK (667959) | 1 year,28 days | (#44469101)

Nice.

and Java-based applications. (0)

Khyber (864651) | 1 year,29 days | (#44468541)

And this surprises anybody, how?

As the saying goes and still holds true, if you can't do it, do it in Java/Javascript.

Including critical security vulnerabilities like that, which you wouldn't get in ASM or C/C+/C++/C#/#! without being a complete fucking idiot even BEFORE Java.

Fucking idiots.

Re:and Java-based applications. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,28 days | (#44469167)

Pot, meet cattle.

I got a Smart tv for -$450 (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,29 days | (#44468615)

I got the same 60" tv for $500 less because it was the older "dumb" version. A RaspberryPi later and I have a smart TV that doesn't spy on me.

Protip: Any device that has a web cam, put a piece of tape over the lens until you are ready to use it.

Re:I got a Smart tv for -$450 (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,28 days | (#44469265)

Don't forget about the microphone!

you never know what the NSA might be doing with your TV!

Re:I got a Smart tv for -$450 (1)

FaxeTheCat (1394763) | 1 year,28 days | (#44469425)

Don't forget about the microphone!

Until NSA characterize a roomfull of people telling really bad jokes as an act of terrorism, my family is safe.

If you complain too much (1)

Tablizer (95088) | 1 year,29 days | (#44468683)

...they'll put Windows 8 on it

DDOS SamsungTV (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,29 days | (#44468705)

I found some hacker code here. http://forum.samygo.tv/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=5794 When my mother is watching here favorite soap, I repeatedly send soap spam messages to here screen. denying here access to her soap service on screen with a nice text popup... I do not even have to root the damn thing...

Who leaves a usb stick in their tv with sensitive information anyway... and who does connect his tv to the internet and why? Ever tried to use any of the apps with a remote control? I mean talk about bad usability...

Anyone (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,29 days | (#44468971)

with half a brain would never buy a TV set with a camera and microphone, as the potential for violating privacy is practically limitless. The best TV is one that can only display the signals that are input to it.

Are you guys this bored? (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,28 days | (#44469009)

So here is my question... If someone hooks up a TV to their home network, and its ports are available for the entire world to see, they get what they deserve. If their TV is connected in this way, I will bet their PC's / Laptops / tablets etc is connected in the same way and susceptible to the same drive-by attacks.

Why is this news to anyone. This is implied. If you connect something to an insecure network, you will get the crap hacked out of it. Why is everyone so quick to blame the manufacturers for this crap. Yeah, things should be made better, but you should make sure your network is not accessible from the outside. If that means getting rid of our ISP's modem / router then so be it. This is the same as blaming the ISP's for people downloading music.

Samsung is a HW company (1)

drolli (522659) | 1 year,28 days | (#44469073)

I own several samsung devices and i am extremly happy with the hw quality/price ratio.

But: Samsung, your software sucks. Deeply.

-Updates are late, incomplete and appear only until 1y after the products release (recently flashed my 1st gen galaxy tab to cyanogenmod and yeah - it runs better now)

-The crapware bundled on the device looks like it was specified by some management monkey and implemented by a intern. It suck the battery empty is most likely riddled with security holes

-Even talking to the devices (remeber that their camera device driver requres a writable system memory for everybody) seems to be implemented by a bunch of idiots

Re:Samsung is a HW company (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,28 days | (#44469129)

How can something make you happy if it's crap due to bad implementation and conceptional flaws? How can something be of high quality if there is hardly any after-sales support (which includes firm-/software)?

Samsung makes crap not high quality stuff. High quality is when everything is high quality, not only some bits and parts.

Re:Samsung is a HW company (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,28 days | (#44469207)

He said he was happy with the hardware quality/price ratio. not that it was high quality. even so, we often call something high-quality with reservations (esp. in hardware/software combinations). something can also be considered the best in a given area despite being pretty poor - it is simply that every other option is worse. last, what you like about a TV and how well it works is very individual, if for example you never use the apps then their buggyness have no consequence to you.

Re:Samsung is a HW company (1)

drolli (522659) | 1 year,28 days | (#44469279)

It makes me happy because i can root the android device and disable the unneeded parts.

It makes me happy because i have the choice to buy a perfectly fine monitor/tv (without smart shit) in it for 150 Euro. If i want smart shit on my tv i will add a 70 Euro Android stick.

It makes me happy because my note 2 has all the HW i could need in it.

Re:Samsung is a HW company (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,28 days | (#44469451)

All the HW you could need, but not the quality and not the software quality you could need. That's the point. If the software sucks, the entire device sucks. CM is fine, but that's like buying a broken by design product and relying on a 3rd party to fix the flaws that the manufacturer should have done and who gets paid to do that.
Imagine you buy brand new car (yeah to car analogies) that stops every 300m with a wobbly steering and a leaking tank. But you praise it cause you can fiddle with the engine and work shop might be able to fix some problems. That doesn't seem to be a good deal.

how dare you criticize the great god Samsung? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,28 days | (#44469277)

This is reserved for Apple and Microsoft.

The Hidden Cost of Netflix Access (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,28 days | (#44469263)

Netflix dropped support of my samsung device after two years. So I paid $20 extra a month for Netflix access.

Buyer beware of devices and their free apps.

Re:The Hidden Cost of Netflix Access (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,28 days | (#44469753)

I'm confused. You said they dropped support, then you say you had to pay for access. Which is it?! Or did you meant they stopped "supporting" free access?

webcamera's lid conspiracy theory (1)

Max_W (812974) | 1 year,28 days | (#44469411)

Why there are no web-cameras with a lid? It is so obvious and inexpensive to install a small light lid on a web-camera and microphone to control them physically. Still it is never done.

When something is closed with a physical lid, it is closed 100%. No way to open it for eavesdropping from network.

Get a Roku or ???? (1)

Monoman (8745) | 1 year,28 days | (#44469483)

This is what happens when companies do stuff outside of their core competencies. They tend to do things half-assed (knowingly or unknowingly). There are better devices out there that are specifically built to do what "smart" TVs are poorly attempting.

As usual, you get what you pay for.

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