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The Case of the Orca That Killed Its Trainer

samzenpus posted about a year ago | from the free-and-angry-willy dept.

Science 395

Hugh Pickens DOT Com writes "There's an interesting read at National Geographic by Kenneth Brower that probes the case of Tilikum, the homicidal killer whale, who killed his first trainer, 20-year-old Keltie Byrne in 1991. Then in July 6, 1999, a 27-year-old man who stayed after the park closed and evaded security to enter the orca tank was found dead and nude, draped over Tilikum's back with his genitals bitten off. Tilikum's most recent victim was Dawn Brancheau, the SeaWorld trainer he crushed, dismembered, and partially swallowed in 2010. 'Almost all students of orca believe that they are deranged by captivity, some more than others. Tilikum's record puts him at one end of a continuum. There have been dozens of attacks on trainers by an assortment of orcas in the marine parks around the world. [The movie] "Blackfish" shows video from several of these episodes at SeaWorld,' writes Brower. 'What is remarkable about Orcinus orca in marine parks is not these rare episodes. What is remarkable is their monumental forbearance.' For its part SeaWorld is attempting to cast the filmmakers as the true villains, characterizing them as anti-captivity zealots. The company says '"Blackfish" is inaccurate and misleading and, regrettably, exploits a tragedy that remains a source of deep pain for Dawn Brancheau's family, friends and colleagues.'"

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395 comments

It could be worse.... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44473137)

I'd rather swim with a deranged orca than deal with Electronic Jews.

Re:It could be worse.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44473469)

Nice reference to the meaning of life, I knew there a reason I turn the comment filter off.

Disney movie (5, Funny)

turkeydance (1266624) | about a year ago | (#44473139)

Willy eat me.

Reminds me of NTSF:SD:SVU:: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44473397)

And Dolphin Lundgren, the dolphine serial killer genius [adultswim.com] .

Started under Bush (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44473145)

I just want to point out that though these killings continue today, they were started while George Bush Sr. was in office.

It's the fault of TEH OBAMA!!!!11!1 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44473645)

It's Obama's fault!!1!1111

Re:Started under Bush (1, Interesting)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about a year ago | (#44473685)

Nope, they started while Carter was in office [imdb.com] ... More proof he was the worst president ever :-/

Almost all students of orca believe... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44473157)

First, I do believe it is entirely plausible that captivity is a negative thing for sea mammals.

However, statements like "almost all students of orca believe" are not helping make their point. I assume they found all the "students of orca" (what does that even mean? Do you sit in a classroom with an orca at the board?) and polled them at a scientific level? Even if they did, what does "almost all" mean?'

Let's have numbers here. Opinions of experts. Show your work. Until or unless you do, I'm going to dismiss that statement as really meaning "I believe this and some other people I know also do," which isn't close to a consensus.

There is way too much crap like this in "journalism" these days, and I'm calling it out when I see it.

Call it Capitalism (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44473235)

That's what it is; both sea world and the "journalists" are exploiting lies to make money.

Re:Almost all students of orca believe... (5, Interesting)

reve_etrange (2377702) | about a year ago | (#44473383)

Number of attacks on humans by Orcas not in captivity: 1 documented.

Number of attacks on humans by Orcas in captivity: > 27 documented (3 fatal).

Killer whale attacks on humans

Re:Almost all students of orca believe... (3, Insightful)

cheater512 (783349) | about a year ago | (#44473477)

Mind you if you divide the attacks by the number of people in close contact with Orcas in both situation, the wild Orcas would look like human eating machines.

The number of people with the opportunity to come within 100 meters of a wild Orca would be extremely small, let alone within biting range.

Re:Almost all students of orca believe... (2)

Trepidity (597) | about a year ago | (#44473567)

Some of the attacks in captivity look likely to have been provoked by the humans as well, which is something less likely to happen in the wild.

I can't tell you for sure what happened here, but it sure doesn't sound like the orca initiated it:

in July 6, 1999, a 27-year-old man who stayed after the park closed and evaded security to enter the orca tank was found dead and nude, draped over Tilikum's back with his genitals bitten off

Why was he nude? Why specifically his genitals bitten off? My guess is that it was not a case of sexual assault by an orca that stripped him.

Re:Almost all students of orca believe... (4, Funny)

peragrin (659227) | about a year ago | (#44473521)

you forgot

Killer Whalenado. the dumb busty blond gets eaten first.

Meanwhile in Antarctica ... (1)

dbIII (701233) | about a year ago | (#44473621)

Is that the attempted attack on Herbert Ponting or do we have at least two now? There's also been a few accounts of them breaking ice in an attempt to get sled dogs.

Re:Almost all students of orca believe... (2)

clarkkent09 (1104833) | about a year ago | (#44473647)

Given that humans routinely swim in close proximity with captive Orcas multiple times a day, not to mention ride on their back and stick their head in Orcas mouth for a show, while any human contact with wild Orcas is extremely rare, I agree with your point that Orcas not in captivity are statistically far more dangerous.

Re:Almost all students of orca believe... (4, Insightful)

tompaulco (629533) | about a year ago | (#44473815)

any human contact with wild Orcas is extremely rare,
Not to mention the chances of anybody making it back to complain of a wild Orca attach is pretty low.

Re:Almost all students of orca believe... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44473711)

Number of attacks on humans by Orcas not in captivity: 1 documented.

That Orca was probably confused, kind of like how sharks get.

Re:Almost all students of orca believe... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44473889)

So all three fatal in captivity were by the same whale?

There's just not enough data to draw conclusions. People swim with Orcas in captivity a whole lot more than they swim with Orcas in the Ocean.

Re:Almost all students of orca believe... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44473763)

sorry AC, "almost all students of orca believe" is as dumbed down as we're gonna make it for you.

Re:Almost all students of orca believe... (1)

Trax3001BBS (2368736) | about a year ago | (#44473879)

Do you sit in a classroom with an orca at the board?) and polled them at a scientific level? Even if they did, what does "almost all" mean?'

There were bits of fishy stuff in two of the articles I read as well

I remember reading of Daniel Dukes the person who was found dead apparently swimming with Tillikum but that's all I read, it was a very short piece.
Got a lot more from their local paper but the way it was written kept me looking for the next literary er whatchamacallit's

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/ [orlandosentinel.com]
marijuana-smoking drifter with a string of petty arrests. (drug addict)

a worn-out Florida Department of Motor Vehicles identification card. (it doesn't work anymore?)

had to scale a 3-foot-high Plexiglas barrier (Must of been a very small person)

On Christmas Day 1998, he was charged with misdemeanor marijuana possession in Marion County.(addicted drug addict)

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/ [nationalgeographic.com]
The National Geographic refers to Daniel Dukes as a drunk (highly unlikely - but gives one an "ah ha, I see")

"There is strong circumstantial evidence that Tillicum may have killed again," I went on. "He was moved to SeaWorld Orlando,
where a drunk climbed in over the wall one night and was found drowned in the whale's pool the next morning."

Just after that is this:
"This second case, the 1999 death of Daniel Dukes, was more ambiguous, because there were no witnesses." (don't think there were many in Daniel Dukes's
case either) ,/p>

Genitals Bitten Off..... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44473161)

Genitals Bitten Off.....

Yep, that's enough internet for the day.

The Cove (1)

Dj Stingray (178766) | about a year ago | (#44473175)

I recommend this documentary about dolphins, but is also related

In it's like okay, in my opinion, man.

Re:The Cove (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44473589)

Even better, being found nude with his genitals bitten off, and having sneaked into the enclosure at night, paints a hilariously disgusting picture of his intentions. Maybe it was just self-defense?

Re:The Cove (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44473627)

Swing and a miss. That was meant for the 'enough internet for today' comment.

"Killer whale" (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44473177)

The name says it all, really. Orca are carnivores, their natural prey includes seals - which are of comparable size and, for all I know, tastiness to a human.

The way the species has been rebranded as a "dolphin" is one of the triumphs of marketing over reality. They're whales, and they're killers. Get in a tank with one at your own risk.

Re:"Killer whale" (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44473233)

Not to mention they are rather sadistic in their treatment of their prey in the wild.

Re:"Killer whale" (5, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year ago | (#44473351)

Plus, 'Sea World' is pretty much a life term in Supermax, except with more gawkers, for something of the size (not well proportioned to live in a swimming pool) and intelligence (relatively high) of a killer whale.

If you are a lifer anyway, and the guard is dumb enough to come into your cell, why not shiv him just on principle?

Re:"Killer whale" (5, Insightful)

NIK282000 (737852) | about a year ago | (#44473423)

More so now that it knows that it's situation does not change when it attacks people. They aren't stupid animals and this one figured it out quick.

Re:"Killer whale" (2)

14erCleaner (745600) | about a year ago | (#44473783)

They aren't stupid animals and this one figured it out quick.

1991, 1999, 2010. One attack every decade is "quick"?

Re:"Killer whale" (2)

Black Parrot (19622) | about a year ago | (#44473453)

Plus, 'Sea World' is pretty much a life term in Supermax, except with more gawkers, for something of the size (not well proportioned to live in a swimming pool) and intelligence (relatively high) of a killer whale.

And the gawkers have less intelligence than their usual diet...

Re:"Killer whale" (1)

Black Parrot (19622) | about a year ago | (#44473441)

Orca are carnivores, their natural prey includes seals - which are of comparable size and, for all I know, tastiness to a human.

No, seals definitely taste better.

Re:"Killer whale" (5, Funny)

mooingyak (720677) | about a year ago | (#44473897)

Orca are carnivores, their natural prey includes seals - which are of comparable size and, for all I know, tastiness to a human.

No, seals definitely taste better.

Says someone who clearly doesn't know how to properly prepare human.

Re:"Killer whale" (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44473619)

The name says it all, really. Orca are carnivores, their natural prey includes seals - which are of comparable size and, for all I know, tastiness to a human.

The way the species has been rebranded as a "dolphin" is one of the triumphs of marketing over reality. They're whales, and they're killers. Get in a tank with one at your own risk.

Oh fuck you're so wrong. Shut up, quit spouting incorrect drivel, and grow a brain.

They ARE dolphins, and not true whales [wikipedia.org] :

The killer whale is one of 35 species in the oceanic dolphin family, which first appeared about 11 million years ago. The killer whale lineage probably branched off shortly thereafter. Although it has morphological similarities with the pygmy killer whale, the false killer whale and the pilot whales, a study of cytochrome b gene sequences by Richard LeDuc indicated that its closest extant relatives are the snubfin dolphins of the genus Orcaella.

Re:"Killer whale" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44473781)

Seals and humans don't taste much alike at all. Seal is a rather bloody meat and tastes a lot like fish (not suprising since that's what they eat). Humans are said to taste a lot like pork from all accounts.

Re:"Killer whale" (1)

tompaulco (629533) | about a year ago | (#44473829)

Seals and humans don't taste much alike at all. Seal is a rather bloody meat and tastes a lot like fish (not suprising since that's what they eat). Humans are said to taste a lot like pork from all accounts.

(not suprising since that's what they eat).

What you eat (2)

SuperKendall (25149) | about a year ago | (#44473871)

(not suprising since that's what they eat).

If that were true in all cases we'd taste like Cheetos.

Re:"Killer whale" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44473911)

I believe the Muslims would like to have a word with you, followed by some Jews and Hindus.

Re:"Killer whale" (4, Informative)

PCM2 (4486) | about a year ago | (#44473809)

The way the species has been rebranded as a "dolphin" is one of the triumphs of marketing over reality.

"Rebranded"? Orcas belong to the family Delphinidae, the oceanic dolphins. They're commonly referred to as "whales" but that's not technically accurate. But hey, don't let science get in the way of your little speech about "marketing."

Ahem (1, Informative)

Mitchell314 (1576581) | about a year ago | (#44473183)

"There's an interesting read at National Geographic by Kenneth Brower that probes the case of Tilikum, the homicidal killer whale,.."

Homicidal . . . I don't think that word means what you think it means.

Re:Ahem (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44473301)

homo human being + Latin: caedere to cut, kill

this use is entirely appropriate. the 'homo' in homocide is an objective use rather than a subjective one. it means that a human is being killed, rather than that a human is doing the killing.

Re:Ahem (0)

Mitchell314 (1576581) | about a year ago | (#44473377)

The definition of homicide means when both the killer and the person being killed are humans.
Citation: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/homicide [merriam-webster.com]
Many more citations: https://www.google.com/search?q=definition+homocide&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a [google.com]

Re:Ahem (2)

140Mandak262Jamuna (970587) | about a year ago | (#44473635)

Well, the dictionaries constantly add new words and new meanings and usages for old words. My pet peeve: pretty soon "begs the question" will have an accepted definition "raises the question" instead of circular argument fallacy [wikipedia.org] . Insecticide is something that kills insects. It need not be insect on insect violence. So it is time we expand the meaning homicide to anything that kills humans.

BTW in most barbershops in the USA they have a jar of disinfectant where they soak the combs, brushes and clippers, brandname "Barbicide". Shhh, don't tell them it is a liquid that kills barbers.

Re:Ahem (3, Funny)

Arker (91948) | about a year ago | (#44473743)

That would actually be a liquid that kills beards. Still not accurate.

Homicide, however, fits perfectly in this case. Would-be pedants take note, m-w are idiots and always have been. If you cant find several places where they are wrong and you know they are wrong, you are not qualified to engage in pedantry.

Re:Ahem (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44473759)

I could be terribly mistaken but last time I checked Homo did not refer exclusively to humans its root is "the same".
If it was in this instance the killer whale killing another killer whale it would in fact be a case of homicide. However it is a killer whale killing a member of another species.

Re:Ahem (1)

ebno-10db (1459097) | about a year ago | (#44473373)

Slashdot, bringing pedantry to a new level.

Not that that's necessarily a bad thing. If my wife or kids get tired of my pedantry, I can just point them here. They ain't heard nuttin' yet.

Re:Ahem (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44473855)

They ain't heard nuttin' yet.

They have not yet heard anything.

Re:Ahem (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44473401)

i think you may want to get your dictionary out, the usage was correct.

Re:Ahem (1)

Mitchell314 (1576581) | about a year ago | (#44473437)

I did. By definition of every dictionary I checked, homocide encompasses when a human kills another human.

Re:Ahem (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44473765)

I did. By definition of every dictionary I checked, homocide encompasses when a human kills another human.

But not exclusively.

homicidal
  adjective

        of, relating to, or tending toward murder:
        he had homicidal tendencies

http://oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/homicidal [oxforddictionaries.com]

---------
murder
  verb
[with object]

        kill (someone) unlawfully and with premeditation:
        somebody tried to murder Joe

http://oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/murder [oxforddictionaries.com]

Re:Ahem (1)

reve_etrange (2377702) | about a year ago | (#44473411)

No, it doesn't mean what you or the moderators apparently think it means.

A homocide is a killing of a human. Someone or something which kills or tries to kill humans is thus homocidal.

Slashdot . . . (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44473659)

. . . where bullshit gets modded insightful. Constantly. Every hour of every day.

Re:Ahem (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44473777)

Did you really just try correct someone's understanding of the word whilst consistently misspelling it?

Way to be credible!

Re:Ahem (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44473447)

homo, human
caedere, to kill

Re:Ahem (1)

VortexCortex (1117377) | about a year ago | (#44473695)

Homicidal . . . I don't think that word means what you think it means.

So, then... Patricide isn't when a father is killed? Ah, then it must be when he flushed my goldfish.

Re:Ahem (1)

fldsofglry (2754803) | about a year ago | (#44473699)

"There's an interesting read at National Geographic by Kenneth Brower that probes the case of Tilikum, the homicidal killer whale,.."

Homicidal . . . I don't think that word means what you think it means.

Must have been an awesome thought process for the reporter though: There's an interesting read at National Geographic by Kenneth Brower that probes the case of Tilikum, the human killer whale. Oh wait. No, that doesn't work. There's an interesting read at National Geographic by Kenneth Brower that probes the case of Tilikum, the homo-killer killer whale. That sounds stupid. There's an interesting read at National Geographic by Kenneth Brower that probes the case of Tilikum, the killer killer whale. That sounds even worse. There's an interesting read at National Geographic by Kenneth Brower that probes the case of Tilikum, the human killing killer whale. Fuck it. There's an interesting read at National Geographic by Kenneth Brower that probes the case of Tilikum, the homicidal killer whale.

Not a surprise, really (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44473189)

You take a highly intelligent creature, put it in captivity and then get in its enclosure. What the heck do you think is going to happen? It's amazing more people are not killed and a testament to the tolerance of the orcas.

Re:Not a surprise, really (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44473331)

I'm not sure that it needed to be very intelligent...

Man: ~1.75m; ~0.086t
Orca: 7-10m; 7-9t

Re:Not a surprise, really (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year ago | (#44473361)

Or good, old-fashioned, learned helplessness! It's amazing what sorts of useful institutions that little quirk can keep operational!

Re:Not a surprise, really (1)

VortexCortex (1117377) | about a year ago | (#44473465)

You take a highly intelligent creature, put it in captivity and then get in its enclosure. What the heck do you think is going to happen?

Hmmm...

a 27-year-old man who stayed after the park closed and evaded security to enter the orca tank was found dead and nude, draped over Tilikum's back with his genitals bitten off.

A gobble gone wrong? Worst blow-hole job ever?

What did you think was going to happen? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44473195)

We are locking up intelligent animals for our amusement. Animals much bigger and stronger than humans. Of course some of them are going to kill us. That's what we get.

Re:What did you think was going to happen? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44473265)

Agree to the fullest.

Re:What did you think was going to happen? (5, Funny)

Provocateur (133110) | about a year ago | (#44473409)

Plus, they must have gotten really tired of being fed fish all the time.

Re:What did you think was going to happen? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44473785)

I think the mods are being wooshed here.

They are called "Killer Whales" (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44473221)

The strange part is they don't eat people first chance/every chance.

Where are the editors? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44473227)

Why do the editors continue to approve submissions by " Hugh Pickens DOT Com"? It's clearly spam/advertisement for some crappy movie, but I've seen it a few times in submitted stories. C'mon now.

Dangerous! (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44473243)

These Orca things are dangerous! to stop people voluntarily getting into the tanks with them I suggest a name that's also a warning. Maybe 'Killer aquatic mammal'.

Re:Dangerous! (2)

Black Parrot (19622) | about a year ago | (#44473459)

Or "Sea Orks".

Re:Dangerous! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44473595)

How about Sea Satan?

Animal Rights Group Alarmism (4, Insightful)

VinylRecords (1292374) | about a year ago | (#44473267)

Yes...orcas are killers. Seen the wild they will use a baby seal like a volley ball. Torturing it for quite some time before it dies. They are 6-ton predators who rule the waters. Evolved natural killing machines. It is a risk to swim with them of course.

But for the most part they don't kill humans. In fact some of the deaths have been result of the orcas playing too hard and not fully understanding that their human companions are land based creatures not capable of being underwater too long. Some, I guess I'll call them 'water show entertainment' deaths, were because the whales kept a trainer in their mouths for fun but ended up swimming beneath the surface for two or three minutes. Drowning their human trainer.

But the safety records are fine. If the Animal Right's Groups are saying that the wild animals should not be kept captive because they are dangerous to humans it is a terrible argument. The overwhelming majority of captive animals don't kill or harm humans. If these groups were against animal captivity they need to argue about the exploitation of animals and effectively animal slavery for corporate profits. Instead they are wasting time exploiting deaths, many accidental, many not even of actual trainers but of idiots who jumped over the fence to play with killer whales, giant monkeys, and fully grown lions.

This is the same alarmist response the news media does whenever a shark attack kills someone. "Oh my god it was 20 feet long...fin those sharks....for the children". Sharks kill a few people a year and there are millions of sharks and millions of humans who swim in the ocean. No need to sensationalize.

Personally I don't think that most zoo animals enjoy captivity. But most zoo animals are smart enough to know that they are at the mercy of their human masters. The humans provide them clean living conditions, food, and water. They can get a whale to swim ten laps and fly out of the water for a fish treat. But sometimes a killer whale remembers that animal instinct and forgets his training. The trainers know the risks. It's not like these whales are flying out of the stands like a NASCAR crash gone wrong and killing people in the crowd.

Re:Animal Rights Group Alarmism (5, Funny)

RoknrolZombie (2504888) | about a year ago | (#44473371)

It's not like these whales are flying out of the stands like a NASCAR crash gone wrong and killing people in the crowd.

Yet.

Re:Animal Rights Group Alarmism (1)

cybaz (538103) | about a year ago | (#44473535)

Someone call the Syfy channel, I think we have a Sharknado sequel

Re:Animal Rights Group Alarmism (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44473591)

Whalecane? Orcaphoon? What do you think?

Re:Animal Rights Group Alarmism (1)

Nemyst (1383049) | about a year ago | (#44473457)

What we need is to put lasers on the orcas so that they can clearly show their dangerous nature by frying people from afar when they feel like it. I'd wager people would be a bit less likely to swim with them then.

Re:Animal Rights Group Alarmism (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44473507)

It's not like these whales are flying out of the stands like a NASCAR crash gone wrong and killing people in the crowd.

Hmm, yeah whales are big, it would take something strong as a tornado to toss a whale about like that... a whale-nado? Sharknado sequel confirmed!

Re:Animal Rights Group Alarmism (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44473603)

If these groups were against animal captivity they need to argue about the exploitation of animals and effectively animal slavery for corporate profits

They talk about that all the time. Even if you disagree with them, how have you not heard of them talking about such things, almost to an excess of some anti-captivity spiels being a thinly veiled anti-corporate spiel? If anything, it happens so much it gets tuned out, and most people don't care. That is why some groups will try to go at it from different angles. If they know the caring about the animal angle doesn't work, they try things that have more direct impact on humans.

Re:Animal Rights Group Alarmism (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44473881)

But the safety records are fine.

They're acceptable, but they're not fine. One of the points made by a former trainer when talking about the movie is that being an orca trainer should be classified by OSHA as a dangerous job, which I gather would cost Sea World a bunch of money in extra pay, safety precautions and insurance. But because of lobbying by Sea World, it's still classified as being no more dangerous than office work.

Feed Willie! (0)

Maxo-Texas (864189) | about a year ago | (#44473273)

nt

Tenuous relationships with animals (5, Insightful)

multiben (1916126) | about a year ago | (#44473293)

I've always been fascinated by people who keep dangerous pets or work with them. They often seem to hold the belief that their relationship with these creatures transcends their instinctive nature to kill. And for a time it seems that they are right. But you only have to piss off a grizzly bear one time, and all of a sudden you're on the latest episode of "People Who Domesticated Animals Which Shouldn't Have Been Domesticated."

Re:Tenuous relationships with animals (5, Insightful)

phantomfive (622387) | about a year ago | (#44473489)

And even then, if your pet tiger really likes you, but takes a nip at you, or tries to wrestle with you like he does with his siblings (that he also likes), you're not strong enough to handle it and you die.

Re:Tenuous relationships with animals (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44473539)

s/Animals/Women/

Re:Tenuous relationships with animals (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44473613)

If men knew the probability that a woman would amputate their penises while they were sleeping...

Re:Tenuous relationships with animals (1)

Deadstick (535032) | about a year ago | (#44473625)

I've always been fascinated by people who keep dangerous pets or work with them. They often seem to hold the belief that their relationship with these creatures transcends their instinctive nature to kill.

Back in the Seventies there was an article on these folks in the short-lived US edition of Geo Magazine. The writer interviewed some, and noticed a recurring thread: they stoutly maintained that Leo would never hurt them; they had a good-sized bandage somewhere on them; and the first thing out of their mouths was a lame description of a kitchen accident...

Re:Tenuous relationships with animals (1)

Trailer Trash (60756) | about a year ago | (#44473805)

I've always been fascinated by people who keep dangerous pets or work with them. They often seem to hold the belief that their relationship with these creatures transcends their instinctive nature to kill. And for a time it seems that they are right. But you only have to piss off a grizzly bear one time, and all of a sudden you're on the latest episode of "People Who Domesticated Animals Which Shouldn't Have Been Domesticated."

I should like to see that show - what time and channel is it on?

Some people are just jerks... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44473309)

I'm reminded of Stampy the elephant and The Simpson's synopsis of why intelligent animals act poorly.

Genes matter (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44473341)

I know an ex Sea World Orca trainer. She never had anything bad to say about the program. The killer Tilikum has been used for breeding more than any other male Orca though. I wouldn't think that was a good idea. Why not try to breed the aggression out of them?

Not too timely (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44473363)

I remember when slashdot used to get the scoop on the news. Now it's a few days late.

from the free-and-angry-willy dept. (0)

Badblackdog (1211452) | about a year ago | (#44473399)

Throw a toaster in his pool

Citatioin needed? (1)

phantomfive (622387) | about a year ago | (#44473503)

"Almost all students of orca believe that they are deranged by captivity, some more than others."

I really wish the author had gone into more detail on this point, it sounds interesting. The closest he got was a citation from a psychologist who said, we really should be careful applying psychological terms to animals that diverged from us 200 million years ago.

So (1)

Impy the Impiuos Imp (442658) | about a year ago | (#44473561)

Normally once a kept animal kills or even bites a human, it is destroyed, under the theory it will be far less likely to do so in the future. I assume this wasn't done for half a dozen reasons stacking up, from it's too big, too hard to let go, how dare you, etc.

> with his genitals bitten off

Ouch! I wonder if he whaled.

Re:So (1)

Deadstick (535032) | about a year ago | (#44473673)

I assume this wasn't done for half a dozen reasons stacking up, from it's too big, too hard to let go, how dare you, etc.

I think you left out "You can't buy a new orca for the price of a dolphin"...

Capturer, not trainer (2)

Reliable Windmill (2932227) | about a year ago | (#44473583)

He killed his perceived capturer. If you capture and lock up an animal, you shouldn't expect anything else.

Re:Capturer, not trainer (1)

MightyMartian (840721) | about a year ago | (#44473757)

Yup. I'm cheering for the orcas here. Kill 'em all, Tilikum' kill 'em all,

Go Orca! (1)

ikhider (2837593) | about a year ago | (#44473633)

A few down, a few billion left. Who will win? Orca's or Skynet?

The Most Dangerous Animal (2)

elsuperjefe (1487639) | about a year ago | (#44473637)

"Contrary to popular belief, the most dangerous animal is not the lion or tiger or even the elephant. The most dangerous animal is a shark riding on an elephant, just trampling and eating everything they see." -- Jack Handy clearly, he never saw an ORCA riding on an elephant.

1999 guy a whale lover? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44473653)

wait, was that guy in 1999 trying to screw a whale? because that's what it sounds like!

National Security Issues (0)

hduff (570443) | about a year ago | (#44473657)

Don't forget that National Security may be compromised if this confrontation continues. Everybody calm down and STFU or the terrorists win.

And the children . . . What about them?

Frustrated designer (4, Funny)

SuperKendall (25149) | about a year ago | (#44473799)

was found dead and nude, draped over Tilikum's back with his genitals bitten off

He was just trying to demonstration his new high-fashion concept of a Eunuch Tunic.

That took some balls... (0)

SuperKendall (25149) | about a year ago | (#44473811)

a 27-year-old man who stayed after the park closed and evaded security to enter the orca tank was found dead and nude, draped over Tilikum's back with his genitals bitten off.

...literally.

Ron White said it best... (5, Funny)

tompaulco (629533) | about a year ago | (#44473865)

Tilikum is a "Serial Killer Whale". Also, that's why they are called "Killer Whales" and not "Ocean Ponies."
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