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TV Show Piracy Soars After CBS Blackout

Soulskill posted about a year ago | from the almost-as-if-these-things-are-related dept.

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TorrentFreak reports that piracy rates of the television show Under the Dome shot up by more than a third last weekend, even though official ratings dropped. What caused the increase? On Friday, three million subscribers to Time Warner's cable TV service lost access to CBS programming, the network on which Under the Dome airs. The article says this provides compelling evidence that the availability of a show is a key factor in the decision to pirate it. "To find out whether download rates in the affected markets increased, we monitored U.S. BitTorrent downloads of last week's episode as well as the one that aired this Monday following the blackout. The data from these two samples show that in Los Angeles, New York City, Boston, Chicago, Dallas, Denver, Detroit and Pittsburgh, relatively more people downloaded the latest episode, an indication that customers are turning to unauthorized channels to get the show. With hundreds of thousands of downloads Under The Dome is one of the most pirated TV-shows at the moment. Of all sampled downloaders in the U.S. 10.9% came from the blackout regions for last week's episode, and this increased to 14.6% for Monday's episode, a 34% increase. In New York City, one of the largest affected markets, the relative piracy rate more than doubled from 1.3% of all U.S. downloads last week to 3% for the episode that aired after the blackout."

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What's funny about Under the Dome (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44503527)

Is that you can get that night's episode hours before it airs on CBS, without commercials. I'm not sure where else it's airing (maybe Canada) that shows it early.

Re:What's funny about Under the Dome (4, Informative)

Vanderhoth (1582661) | about a year ago | (#44503657)

My wife and I watch it at 9:00 PM Atlantic time. I thought it was on Global, but the Global site says it's on at 10:00 PM Eastern time, that's 11 for us. part of the reason I pirate a lot of the shows we watch is because most don't come on until 11 our time and staying up until midnight knowing I have to get up at five the next day to look after our 2 year old or go to work just doesn't work. It sucks paying $150 a month for basic cable and internet and all the stuff you want to see is on after you go to bed. Under the dome is one of the only shows we watch on cable because it's actually on at a decent hour.

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Piracy Television
TV Show Piracy Soars After CBS Blackout
Posted by Soulskill on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @06:41PM
from the almost-as-if-these-things-are-related dept.
TorrentFreak reports that piracy rates of the television show Under the Dome shot up by more than a third last weekend, even though official ratings dropped. What caused the increase? On Friday, three million subscribers to Time Warner's cable TV service lost access to CBS programming, the network on which Under the Dome airs. The article says this provides compelling evidence that the availability of a show is a key factor in the decision to pirate it. "To find out whether download rates in the affected markets increased, we monitored U.S. BitTorrent downloads of last week's episode as well as the one that aired this Monday following the blackout. The data from these two samples show that in Los Angeles, New York City, Boston, Chicago, Dallas, Denver, Detroit and Pittsburgh, relatively more people downloaded the latest episode, an indication that customers are turning to unauthorized channels to get the show. With hundreds of thousands of downloads Under The Dome is one of the most pirated TV-shows at the moment. Of all sampled downloaders in the U.S. 10.9% came from the blackout regions for last week's episode, and this increased to 14.6% for Monday's episode, a 34% increase. In New York City, one of the largest affected markets, the relative piracy rate more than doubled from 1.3% of all U.S. downloads last week to 3% for the episode that aired after the blackout."

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        What's funny about Under the Dome (Score:0)
        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @06:43PM (#44503527)

        Is that you can get that night's episode hours before it airs on CBS, without commercials. I'm not sure where else it's airing (maybe Canada) that shows it early.
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                by Vanderhoth (1582661) Fan on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @06:54PM (#44503657)
                My wife and I watch it at 9:00 PM Atlantic time. I thought it was on Global, but the Global site says it's on at 10:00 PM Eastern time, that's 11 for us. part of the reason I pirate a lot of the shows we watch is because most don't come on until 11 our time and staying up until midnight knowing I have to get up at five the next day to look after our 2 year old or go to work just doesn't work. It sucks paying $150 a month for basic cable and internet and all the stuff you want to see is on after you go to bed. Under the dome is one of the only shows we watch on cable because it's actually on at a decent hour.
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        piracy on some that is FTA on OTA? (Score:2)
        by Joe_Dragon (2206452) Alter Relationship on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @06:44PM (#44503547)

        It's only piracy in the teams being able to sue some one.
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        Availability of air (Score:0)
        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @06:44PM (#44503549)

        In other news, the availability of air is seen as a major factor in human respiration rates.
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        I would have gotten first post... (Score:0)
        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @06:46PM (#44503565)

        But I was too busy downloading bad TV shows.
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        Obligatory (Score:0)
        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @06:47PM (#44503571)
        https://theoatmeal.com/comics/game_of_thrones [theoatmeal.com] [theoatmeal.com]
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        Q.E.D. (Score:5, Insightful)
        by jxander (2605655) Alter Relationship on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @06:48PM (#44503597)

        This means that those "new" pirates had the capacity to pirate all along, but chose not to.

        People are quite willing to pay for services such as television, but given the absence of legal means to do so, they will turn to illegal means.

        Increase the legal avenues to access media and piracy will decrease accordingly.
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                by penix1 (722987) Alter Relationship on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @06:52PM (#44503633) Homepage

                Although you may be correct, the real telling will be how many return to cable after getting the shows illegally without the advertising. Once the forbidden fruit is bitten, they may like it and never return...
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        What's with... (Score:1)
        by Chompjil (2746865) Alter Relationship on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @06:51PM (#44503615)
        People having the convince of TV shows on their iphone/andoid/(Slashdot forbid)Windows Phone/ipad/whatever. Wouldn't that be better? To have the primetime shows on a streaming service/light DRM-Download service? You'd have less piracy since it would be convenient. But I guess all these big corporations have not seen the light of the modern era. If it was on iTunes even, you'd get money from that as well, surprising isn't it.
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                by Chompjil (2746865) Alter Relationship on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @06:51PM (#44503619)
                inb4 me getting a -1
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        Fascinating! (Score:1)
        by Highland Deck Box (2786087) Alter Relationship on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @06:51PM (#44503623)
        They also commissioned a study on whether water is wet and if the pope is Catholic.
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        CBS screwed themaselves even more (Score:2)
        by dirk (87083) Alter Relationship on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @06:52PM (#44503629) Homepage

        Another reason the torrent numbers probably wen up is that CBS also blocked TW customers from accessing their shows from the CBS website. If a TW customer went to the CBS website to try and watch a show, they weren't able to. So any money they could have made from that was gone as well. So really, CBS actually pushed people who would go through the next legitimate channel further down the line. Sure, they could possibly buy it from Amazon or iTunes, but at a dollar per show, that is a pretty hefty price for a show you will watch once and then delete.
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        Avast ye buccaneers! They've cut ourrr access! Batten down the hatches and farrrrr up the bittorrent! We be settin' sail for the commercial-free waters of internet piracy, global warmin' be damned! Yarrr!
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Re:What's funny about Under the Dome (1)

QuasiSteve (2042606) | about a year ago | (#44503741)

I'm curious.. why not record the shows that come on at a time that is inconvenient for you?

I realize that the line between recording the show and downloading it for purposes of watching later is rather blurry, but since you didn't mention it while it's the first thing that comes to my mind (and I'm from an area where you need a separate recorder.. quite unlike the directv box I've got access to right here which has it built-in, along with search options, etc.), I can't help but ask.

Re:What's funny about Under the Dome (4, Informative)

Vanderhoth (1582661) | about a year ago | (#44503905)

This comes off sounding angry at your question, but I'm not, I'm mad at the cable company for making me pay for service and then nickel and diming me in to oblivion.

Mainly because the cable company wants another $15/mo to rent a DVR, which they only rent to you if you get the premium digital channels another $30/mo. I'm already paying $150/mo for internet and cable. Cable that I don't watch because everything I want to see is on after 11. Sometimes we'll stay up to watch something that's on at 10, but that's still pushing the envelope for us. We're both earlier risers and prefer to be in bed and asleep by 9:30.

So I'm not going to pay another $45/mo on top of $150 to get more channels I don't watch just so I can record the stuff I've already paid for that's on too late for me to see when I can download them the next day while I'm at work anyway. I have Sickbeard setup to get the shows I want when they become available. I only went that far because my wife's download list, which includes a lot of shows we don't get at all in Canada, was getting too long so I setup Sickbeard and she can add the stuff she wants to it.

Re:What's funny about Under the Dome (1)

interval1066 (668936) | about a year ago | (#44504025)

I'm already paying $150/mo for internet and cable.

This is why I refuse to buy into cable. Yet I still catch all my favorite shows. Cable provider logic is pretty messed up.

Re: What's funny about Under the Dome (1)

alen (225700) | about a year ago | (#44504261)

Can't you stream shows from the website?

Re: What's funny about Under the Dome (4, Informative)

Vanderhoth (1582661) | about a year ago | (#44504539)

Some stuff we can. A lot of the time I get "Content not available in your region" some times I even get it when trying to stream from Canadian sites. There are undoubtly 1001 ways I could aviod pirating, but I've already paid for the show on cable so I should be able to access it however is most convienent for me. I shouldn't have to spend extra time or money just to watch stuff I paid for already.

Re:What's funny about Under the Dome (1)

fahrbot-bot (874524) | about a year ago | (#44504291)

I'm curious.. why not record the shows that come on at a time that is inconvenient for you?

I'm mad at the cable company for making me pay for service and then nickel and diming me in to oblivion. ...

Not to state the obvious, but ever thought of a MythTV system? Sure you have to buy/build your own system, but I did it with an outdated 1GHz system w/2GB RAM bought for $50 from work plus 250GB disk and 2 analog capture cards on Ubuntu. Schedules Direct service is ~$20/year. Been up and running since Jan 2007. Much better than any DVR from a cable co.

Re:What's funny about Under the Dome (3, Interesting)

robot256 (1635039) | about a year ago | (#44503911)

Because all the consumer A/V equipment can only record in SD even if it gets HD input. 99% of people would rather download an HD rip than own an illegal HDMI decoder. Plus popular torrents can be completed in minutes or seconds on any computer, while setting up a recording system takes effort and maintenance and equipment they might not own.

Re:What's funny about Under the Dome (5, Informative)

Beardo the Bearded (321478) | about a year ago | (#44504065)

I used to record shows... or try to.

You have to, without question, use the cable company's box. No other box will work. Let's put aside the question of cost, and further, let's assume that it costs me $0 for cable service including the box.

The DVR that my provider game me would start and stop at a few minutes before or after a show. It couldn't be predicted, but about 10% of the time I'd miss the start or the end of the show.

Sometimes I wouldn't get any sound on the recording. That was about once a week. It's tricky at best to watch a show without sound.

Other times the recording would be pixelated. Sometimes it was for a second, sometimes it was for a few minutes. Not really a deal-killer.

About once every couple of months the DVR would erase every recording I'd ever made. So if I hadn't had a chance to watch a show, I could never watch it.

It was pretty bad and the cable company gave me a $100 a month credit for a year to compensate me for their crappy system. Now let's get rid of that cost assumption -- it wasn't $0, it is close to $100 a month to get a box that doesn't record and an encrypted feed that gives up. I'd guess that about 25%-35% of the time the show was unwatchably corrupted or just gone. (There were no problems watching a show "live", just when recording.)

Which meant I had to rent the shows... ooh, wait, there's no rental place that has them.
Okay, I can buy the DVD... oh, it won't be out for a year and I'd have to buy the whole season for $150...
Does the library have a copy to loan me? No.

There is one alternative...

I've never had a problem when renting from the famous Swedish library. Never once have I had a bad video, missing audio, or anything else. What you have is a free system that provides error-free and convenient watching of shows. The other option is expensive, error-ridden, and a pain in the ass.

Re:What's funny about Under the Dome (1)

pavon (30274) | about a year ago | (#44504155)

You have to, without question, use the cable company's box. No other box will work.

Most 3rd party DVRs and VCRs these days have IR output capability, so they can change the channel on the cable box and then record the output. You still have to use the cable box as a tuner, but you can record using anything after that.

Re:What's funny about Under the Dome (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44504219)

I don't consider a VCR to be an acceptable solution.

Re:What's funny about Under the Dome (1)

fahrbot-bot (874524) | about a year ago | (#44504389)

You have to, without question, use the cable company's box. No other box will work.

Most 3rd party DVRs and VCRs these days have IR output capability, so they can change the channel on the cable box and then record the output. You still have to use the cable box as a tuner, but you can record using anything after that.

In addition, a digital capture card on a MythTV (or Windows Media) system can record un-encrypted HD. I have a MythTV system with 2 analog cards - which to be honest if perfectly fine for watching 99% of broadcast TV - and my TV has a digital tuner if I want to watch the 4-5 network channels that are carried QAM over the cable (Cox in Virginia).

I only subscribe to analog channels + the few un-encrypted digital channels provided and have no cable co set-top box or DVR and I do pretty well. Perhaps other cable providers don't provide an analog option, I don't know.

Re:What's funny about Under the Dome (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44504383)

Some TVs with built in tuners also have DVR capability if you plug in a usb hard drive and a cable or antenna connection.
Also, there are 3rd party dvrs that work with copy protected channels with a cable card. TIVO and Wondows Media Center are both great options.
I personally recommend windows media center for the technical crowd on Slashdot.

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TV Show Piracy Soars After CBS Blackout
Posted by Soulskill on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @06:41PM
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TorrentFreak reports that piracy rates of the television show Under the Dome shot up by more than a third last weekend, even though official ratings dropped. What caused the increase? On Friday, three million subscribers to Time Warner's cable TV service lost access to CBS programming, the network on which Under the Dome airs. The article says this provides compelling evidence that the availability of a show is a key factor in the decision to pirate it. "To find out whether download rates in the affected markets increased, we monitored U.S. BitTorrent downloads of last week's episode as well as the one that aired this Monday following the blackout. The data from these two samples show that in Los Angeles, New York City, Boston, Chicago, Dallas, Denver, Detroit and Pittsburgh, relatively more people downloaded the latest episode, an indication that customers are turning to unauthorized channels to get the show. With hundreds of thousands of downloads Under The Dome is one of the most pirated TV-shows at the moment. Of all sampled downloaders in the U.S. 10.9% came from the blackout regions for last week's episode, and this increased to 14.6% for Monday's episode, a 34% increase. In New York City, one of the largest affected markets, the relative piracy rate more than doubled from 1.3% of all U.S. downloads last week to 3% for the episode that aired after the blackout."

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        What's funny about Under the Dome (Score:0)
        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @06:43PM (#44503527)

        Is that you can get that night's episode hours before it airs on CBS, without commercials. I'm not sure where else it's airing (maybe Canada) that shows it early.
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                by Vanderhoth (1582661) Alter Relationship on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @06:54PM (#44503657)
                My wife and I watch it at 9:00 PM Atlantic time. I thought it was on Global, but the Global site says it's on at 10:00 PM Eastern time, that's 11 for us. part of the reason I pirate a lot of the shows we watch is because most don't come on until 11 our time and staying up until midnight knowing I have to get up at five the next day to look after our 2 year old or go to work just doesn't work. It sucks paying $150 a month for basic cable and internet and all the stuff you want to see is on after you go to bed. Under the dome is one of the only shows we watch on cable because it's actually on at a decent hour.
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                        Posted by Soulskill on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @06:41PM
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                        TorrentFreak reports that piracy rates of the television show Under the Dome shot up by more than a third last weekend, even though official ratings dropped. What caused the increase? On Friday, three million subscribers to Time Warner's cable TV service lost access to CBS programming, the network on which Under the Dome airs. The article says this provides compelling evidence that the availability of a show is a key factor in the decision to pirate it. "To find out whether download rates in the affected markets increased, we monitored U.S. BitTorrent downloads of last week's episode as well as the one that aired this Monday following the blackout. The data from these two samples show that in Los Angeles, New York City, Boston, Chicago, Dallas, Denver, Detroit and Pittsburgh, relatively more people downloaded the latest episode, an indication that customers are turning to unauthorized channels to get the show. With hundreds of thousands of downloads Under The Dome is one of the most pirated TV-shows at the moment. Of all sampled downloaders in the U.S. 10.9% came from the blackout regions for last week's episode, and this increased to 14.6% for Monday's episode, a 34% increase. In New York City, one of the largest affected markets, the relative piracy rate more than doubled from 1.3% of all U.S. downloads last week to 3% for the episode that aired after the blackout."

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                        What's funny about Under the Dome (Score:0)
                        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 07
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                        Re:What's funny about Under the Dome (Score:2)
                        by QuasiSteve (2042606) Alter Relationship on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @07:03PM (#44503741)

                        I'm curious.. why not record the shows that come on at a time that is inconvenient for you?

                        I realize that the line between recording the show and downloading it for purposes of watching later is rather blurry, but since you didn't mention it while it's the first thing that comes to my mind (and I'm from an area where you need a separate recorder.. quite unlike the directv box I've got access to right here which has it built-in, along with search options, etc.), I can't help but ask.
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        piracy on some that is FTA on OTA? (Score:2)
        by Joe_Dragon (2206452) Alter Relationship on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @06:44PM (#44503547)

        It's only piracy in the teams being able to sue some one.
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        Availability of air (Score:0)
        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @06:44PM (#44503549)

        In other news, the availability of air is seen as a major factor in human respiration rates.
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        I would have gotten first post... (Score:0)
        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @06:46PM (#44503565)

        But I was too busy downloading bad TV shows.
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        Obligatory (Score:0)
        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @06:47PM (#44503571)
        https://theoatmeal.com/comics/game_of_thrones [theoatmeal.com] [theoatmeal.com]
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        Q.E.D. (Score:5, Insightful)
        by jxander (2605655) Alter Relationship on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @06:48PM (#44503597)

        This means that those "new" pirates had the capacity to pirate all along, but chose not to.

        People are quite willing to pay for services such as television, but given the absence of legal means to do so, they will turn to illegal means.

        Increase the legal avenues to access media and piracy will decrease accordingly.
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                by penix1 (722987) Alter Relationship on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @06:52PM (#44503633) Homepage

                Although you may be correct, the real telling will be how many return to cable after getting the shows illegally without the advertising. Once the forbidden fruit is bitten, they may like it and never return...
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                        by roc97007 (608802) Alter Relationship on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @06:59PM (#44503705) Journal

                        Although you may be correct, the real telling will be how many return to cable after getting the shows illegally without the advertising. Once the forbidden fruit is bitten, they may like it and never return...

                        Yet another reason to provide a good enough service at a reasonable price from the very beginning, so that people never have a reason to explore illegal avenues.
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                        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @07:00PM (#44503719)

                        [citation needed]
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                        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @07:02PM (#44503735)

                        Although you may be correct, the real telling will be how many return to cable after getting the shows illegally without the advertising. Once the forbidden fruit is bitten, they may like it and never return...

                        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope [wikipedia.org]
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                by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @07:03PM (#44503737)

                I went from 1TB a month to zero once I got Netflix and Hulu Plus.
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        What's with... (Score:1)
        by Chompjil (2746865) Alter Relationship on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @06:51PM (#44503615)
        People having the convince of TV shows on their iphone/andoid/(Slashdot forbid)Windows Phone/ipad/whatever. Wouldn't that be better? To have the primetime shows on a streaming service/light DRM-Download service? You'd have less piracy since it would be convenient. But I guess all these big corporations have not seen the light of the modern era. If it was on iTunes even, you'd get money from that as well, surprising isn't it.
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                by Chompjil (2746865) Alter Relationship on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @06:51PM (#44503619)
                inb4 me getting a -1
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                by Guppy06 (410832) Alter Relationship on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @07:00PM (#44503721)

                Most of these shows can be watched legitimately at cbs.com, but CBS is currently blocking anybody with a TimeWarner Cable IP address.
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        Fascinating! (Score:1)
        by Highland Deck Box (2786087) Alter Relationship on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @06:51PM (#44503623)
        They also commissioned a study on whether water is wet and if the pope is Catholic.
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        CBS screwed themaselves even more (Score:3)
        by dirk (87083) Alter Relationship on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @06:52PM (#44503629) Homepage

        Another reason the torrent numbers probably wen up is that CBS also blocked TW customers from accessing their shows from the CBS website. If a TW customer went to the CBS website to try and watch a show, they weren't able to. So any money they could have made from that was gone as well. So really, CBS actually pushed people who would go through the next legitimate channel further down the line. Sure, they could possibly buy it from Amazon or iTunes, but at a dollar per show, that is a pretty hefty price for a show you will watch once and then delete.
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        Yarrr! (Score:2)
        by Greyfox (87712) Alter Relationship on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @06:53PM (#44503651) Homepage Journal
        Avast ye buccaneers! They've cut ourrr access! Batten down the hatches and farrrrr up the bittorrent! We be settin' sail for the commercial-free waters of internet piracy, global warmin' be damned! Yarrr!
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        Boston? (Score:2)
        by porges (58715) Alter Relationship on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @06:59PM (#44503703) Homepage

        I'm in the Boston area, and I don't think we even have TWC around here. It's mostly Comcast with some RCN and Verizon.
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        How do you "pirate" something that is free? (Score:0)
        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @07:04PM (#44503751)

        It's shown on the air for free - so how is this pirating?
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Interview: Oceanographer David Gallo Answers Your Questions
Posted by samzenpus on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @11:29AM
from the up-from-the-depths dept.
A while ago you had a chance to ask oceanographer and Director of Special Projects at the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution, David Gallo, about the mysteries of the deep and the tech we're using to get there. Below you'll find his answers to your questions.
Chilling
by syphax

What's the most chilling thing you've observed underwater? By "chilling," I mean: some really weird-looking, previously unknown creature, remains of the Titanic, a squid attacking an ROV, etc. By "observed" I mean either directly, by video, or by evidence (e.g. ROV with large sucker marks)

Gallo: Almost every time we get a peek beneath the sea there something that fits your description of âoechillingâ. People think science is unemotionalbut much of what we do is also pure exploration. Exploration means you have NO idea whatâ(TM)s just outside the lights of the robot or submarine. Iâ(TM)d have to say that in my experience some of the most âoechillingâ moments were during our exploration of TITANIC and the seafloor around the wreck. When you look at the boat deck, or bow, or through any of the portholes you canâ(TM)t help but wonder what happened there so many years ago. Still gives me a chill just thinking about it.

Beneath the Beneath?
by eldavojohn

Something that has often perplexed me is fossil distribution through time and tectonic shifts. For example, one can go to the middle of North America and find sea fossils. So, perhaps with your knowledge of what happens to things in the deep, are there untold fossils lying under the seabed floor? Perhaps a localized population of what once used to be land animals situated such that we have never seen these fossils at the vast bottom of the Pacific Ocean? If you can fill me in on why this is or isn't possible (I have no idea what plate shifts do to the top layer or what effects untold pressure has on fossils), I would be extremely interested! Thanks!

Gallo: tâ(TM)s definitely possible..and probable. In fact there is a recent report of a âoenew continentâ in the Indian Ocean

There are lots of fossils buried in the sediments of the sea. Most are marine plants and animals. Right next to land there should be fossils of land animals. One of the challenges is finding where ancient shorelines used to be. Over time sea level has gone up and down hundreds of feet. Some of the ancient shorelines are now deep beneath the waves.

The fact that we are still finding big chunks of continent that are now at the bottom of the sea means that there might well be fossils of all sorts of creatures that we donâ(TM)t know about. Plate tectonics shows us that the face of the earth is always changing. Continents are moving around and as they do mountains and oceans are created and then destroyed. Thereâ(TM)s plenty of mystery and stories hidden in the deep blue sea for sure.

Charnia an other ancient extremophiles
by BeCre8iv

What are the chances of finding precambrian life or its descendants in the deep ocean?

Gallo: Well, just think about Coelacanths, the âoefossil fishâ. They were thought to have gone extinct since about 65 million years ago but VOILAno one told them that.

The only thing I will say about âoechancesâ of finding ancient life is that itâ(TM)s definitely possible. It wasnâ(TM)t that long ago that we discovered hydrothermal vent communities. Weâ(TM)ve explored less than 10% of the oceans, but in that 10% we find the worlds greatest mountain range, tallest mountain peaks, deepest and widest valleys, underwater lakes, rivers, and even underwater waterfalls. Even more bizarre is that in a deep, dark, hostile environment where we thought there should be no life at all, we find communities of animals that rival the tropical rainforests in diversity and density. One thing we know for certain is that there is life in even the deepest parts of the oceans. Life on this planet wants to happen.

So, I ask youwhatâ(TM)s in that other 90%? Did we find all the exciting stuff? I canâ(TM)t predict what animals weâ(TM)ll find but I promise that the next decade will be an exciting one for ocean exploration. Already Jim Cameronâ(TM)s dives into the deepest parts of the Pacific Ocean (and to the deepest spot on Earth) have revealed all sorts of new species of life.

Acidification
by Bayoudegradeable

Have you noticed any affects of acidification of the world's oceans?

Gallo: Ocean acidification is one of the most serious issues we are confronted with today. The oceans absorb more than 1/3 of the carbon dioxide human activity releases into the atmosphere. Some of that carbon dioxide reacts with seawater to form carbonic acid, which makes life unpleasant for lots of creatures. Think of it this way: over time human activity has changed the chemistry and temperature of seawater. Anyone with an aquarium knows that if you change the chemistry and temperature of the water youâ(TM)re asking for trouble.

I havenâ(TM)t personally noticed any affects of acidification but the data coming in almost all point to the need to take steps to change our habits or suffer the consequences. When you come right down to it, we humans need to understand that everything we do has an impact on the environment and there are consequences to our actions, both good and bad. Is that news? Yes, itâ(TM)s news because we used to think that the oceans were âoetoo big to failâ. Guess what, they arenâ(TM)t.

On one hand we can party ourselves into oblivion by uncontrolled exploitation of the sea and on another hand we can love this planet by making decisions based on emotion rather than facts. The wise move would be to recognize the consequences, understand the trade-offs, and minimize our impact on the oceans and atmosphere.

Sharks
by thereitis

Over time, have you seen the effects of the world's dwindling shark population?

Gallo: Iâ(TM)m not a shark expertbut I have lots of friends that are, and what they tell me is frightening. Apparently humans have decided to wage war on sharks. Itâ(TM)s a big mistake. Sharks play and incredibly important role in the ocean food web. Any idea how many sharks we kill every year? 100 million. 100,000,000. On average thatâ(TM)s more than 250,000 sharks EVERY day.

Hereâ(TM)s a recent article about the very issue.

Even though I havenâ(TM)t personally seen the effects of the worldâ(TM)s dwindling shark population, itâ(TM)s very clear to biologists that we are disrupting the oceanic food web and that will spell big trouble in the future.

Sunken ships drifting underwater?
by twosat

Many years ago, when I was aged about 12, I recall reading about a ship that had sunk and was drifting around underwater. I have heard about shipping containers doing this sort of thing, but I was wondering if you had ever seen a ship or a boat drifting around underwater.

Gallo: This is one of those things I think about whenever Iâ(TM)m out at sea. A friend once told me that he was on the deck of a ship that was basically sitting in the same location far out to sea. He noticed a large flock of birds circling an area of water. With time the birds got closer and closer to his ship, eventually they were all around the ship he was on. He looked down into the water to see if they were feeding on fish and what he saw made the hair on his neck stand on end. There, completely beneath the waves was an old wooden sailing ship that was apparently being pushed along by currents. As this ship passed beneath him he could make out the deck, the hatches and what was left of the masts and rigging. There were all sorts of fish that were going along for the ride as well. The whole story creeped me out but its something I always keep in mind while out at sea.

Alvin replacement?
by dj245

Back in 2008, WHOI was working with Lockheed and the American Bureau of Shipping in developing a replacement/successor to the Alvin submarine. What happened to that project and how will WHOI develop its underwater exploration capability in the future?

Gallo: As I write this the newly upgraded ALVIN is aboard the Research Vessel ATLANTIS and is off the northwest coast of the U.S.. Itâ(TM)s been a long road but we are finally on the verge of a new era in ocean exploration. As you know, ALVIN is a part of the National Deep Submergence Facility and carries 3 people several miles deep into the ocean. Aside from the passengers, the submarine carries a science payload of sensors, sampling gear, and imaging systems. Even though the basic ALVIN design has been around for decades, there is every reason to believe that ALVIN will remain the most productive human occupied deep sea exploration vehicle on earth for a long time to come.

As you are probably aware, in addition to ALVIN the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution has recently taken delivery of James Cameronâ(TM)s Deep Sea Challenger submarine. Jimâ(TM)s dive in this vehicle, to the deepest region of the Mariana Trench means that there is no place beneath the sea that is beyond human reach. The entire ocean is now open to human exploration. To compliment the human presence we also have the robotic vehicle NEREUS. NEREUS has also visited the Mariana Trench.

We are entering a new age of undersea exploration â" one in which the deep-sea presence will consist of humans and robots working together complementing each otherâ(TM)s capabilities. At Woods Hole Oceanographic we have a suite of remotely operated vehicles, autonomous vehicles, drifters, gliders, and more, each capable of carrying a suite of sensors into the deep.

More recently we have just formed the Center for Marine Robotics (CMR), which is designed to facilitate the creation of the next generation of robotics and promote the use of robots to solve real world needs. You can read about CMR here.

ROVs and AUVs
by GonzoPhysicist

It's very difficult for me to see a reason for send human beings exploring when the state of remote and autonomous systems is improving so rapidly. What organizations and platforms show the most promise in this field and where is the most improvement needed?

Gallo: Great question. If itâ(TM)s all about data. then robotic systems are your clear winner. Thereâ(TM)s no way humans in a submarine can really compete (on paper anyway) with a properly used suite of robots. Robots can stay longer, carry more sensors, move faster, survey precise lines, etc etc..

HOWEVER, if itâ(TM)s about inspiration and making the best use of the human brain, I think the human presence is the way to go. âoeBeing thereâ may be inefficient and the benefit may be intangible, but to me there is no substitution. Think of it this way. Itâ(TM)s the same reason we still go to live sporting events or concerts. You can get a MUCH better view and probably sound from the comfort of your couch, but there is something about being there in person that is positively fantastic. It may be important to explore everything with robots, but itâ(TM)s just as important to supercharge human curiosity and experience. Plus, I donâ(TM)t know any young people that want to be robots when they grow up. So, Iâ(TM)m conceding that robots are fantastic and will revolutionize our view of the deep, but to me that means the human presence to interpret what it all means is all that much more important.

We are still looking for radical breakthroughs in power, propulsion, navigation, telemetry, etc etc etc.. Any advantage we can get against the physics of seawater would be welcome. Most people donâ(TM)t realize that the ocean is deep (average depth 2.5 miles), dark, and hostile (the pressure at depth crushed TITANIC the same way you can crush and empty paper cup in your hand). At Woods Hole we have formed the Center for Marine Robotics (CMR, see preceding question) to accelerate the pace of innovation. There are new ideas coming from all sorts of new entities. Just to name a few the Wave Glider from Liquid Robotics Inc., the OpenROV robotic kit, and even James Cameronâ(TM)s Deep Sea Challenger Submarine are all in there own way surprising, disruptive and very welcome advances in ocean exploration.

Challenger DEEP's Future Mission
by minibnz

I saw an announcement that James Cameron has donated the Challenger Deep Submarine to WHOI, As one of the lucky people to work on this vehicle during its construction, here in Australia, I was wondering if you can tell us if there is any plans to use this Awesome Machine to explore any other parts of the planets Oceans. or is it destined to sit on display in a museum? I know how much hard work went into that machine, it would be a shame to not use the MOST Capable deep sea diving vehicle on the planet, to its fullest potential.?

Gallo: We are indeed the proud custodians of James Cameronâ(TM)s Deep Sea Challenger Submarine. What an incredible privilege to take ownership of Jimâ(TM)s amazing dream come true. Jimâ(TM)s solo dive into the deepest part of the Marianas Trench was a spectacular achievement. We need to stop thinking of JUST the submarine and that historic dive because I think what Jim and his team accomplished was even more important. In effect, by diving successfully into the deepest spot on earth they have opened up the entire ocean to human exploration. One of the reasons Jim chose Woods Hole to take custody of Deep Sea Challenger is precisely because he knows it wonâ(TM)t just âoesit on display in a museumâ. We have already had several meetings with Jim and his very talented team and in fact have already used components of the Deep Sea Challenger System on one of our expeditions. I think that as we continue to share knowledge and ideas back and forth with Jimâ(TM)s team, weâ(TM)ll develop an entirely new approach to extreme deep exploration. More likely than not I think that ultimately a new set of vehicles will emerge. Iâ(TM)ve mentioned the Center for Marine Robotics (CMR) several times but I havenâ(TM)t said that Jim Cameron has joined the advisory board. and that almost guarantees that whatever we do will be revolutionary. I can tell you that Jim and his team are now hard at work on the Avatar series BUT Jim promises that before too long heâ(TM)ll be back piloting Deep Sea Challenger again.

Human Ocean and Sea Habitability Possibilities
by Tha_Big_Guy23

Having watched the show SeaQuest as a teenager, and recognizing the participation from the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute (For the first season anyway), I wanted to ask about the feasibility of humans actually inhabiting the oceans and seas as depicted in the television series. I realize that the technology to bring the ship itself to reality is quite a bit ahead of where we are now, but do you think it's possible in the near-future that humans will begin to colonize the oceans?

Gallo: I can tell you that if we set a goal to colonize the oceans, we will get that done. The scientific and engineering talent definitely exists. The question is, why? Right now there is a good deal of land that is available for human occupation and frankly we are mismanaging the land we presently occupy. We can do a lot better. Specifically we need to understand that the atmosphere and the oceans are our lifeblood and if we change the chemistry and temperature of either or both (and we have) we are asking for trouble. I can think of reasons we might want to, or need to, move into the sea, but it would be pretty costly. I hope, before we get to that point, we decide itâ(TM)s in the best interest of humans to think as a species on a tiny planet rather than as competing nations. To me our greatest threat is our own arrogant and ignorant behavior. That being said, hereâ(TM)s an interesting, but maybe useless bit of information. If you give everyone on earth (7 billion people) an airline seat (12 cubic feet), you can fit everyone comfortable into a box (cube) thatâ(TM)s one mile on a side. I knowpopulation is more nowbut the point is that we are like microbes on this planet and just like microbes we have managed to make the planet âoesickâ.

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        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @11:55AM (#44498241)
        Could we get some trite comment about how mars is better explored than the deep ocean?
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                by SJHillman (1966756) Alter Relationship on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @12:10PM (#44498433)

                You're right, we should send out a rover to see if there's water at the bottom of the ocean.
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                        In that case, we should also send one to see if there is water flowing underground, under the rocks and stone
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                                by Jeremiah Cornelius (137) Alter Relationship on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @02:37PM (#44500619) Homepage Journal

                                I hear that water is wet. Does this so-called "expert" have any advice on solving this pernicious problem?
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                        Re:Obligatory (Score:1)
                        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @04:21PM (#44501993)

                        Obligatory AC pointing out that there are hypersaline "lakes" and "streams" on the bottoms of the oceans. There's creatures that live in them who would perish mere centimeters above their habitat and creatures above that couldn't survive in the hypersaline water below them. The idea that there are entire seas or even hypersaline oceans under all that "regular" water that standard naval sonar just sees as floor is, to me, rather interesting. Also, who knows how thick these layers may actually be in places?
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                by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @12:37PM (#44498717)

                The claim is that we know more about distant galaxies than about the depths of the oceans. That's going to be fairly inevitable because of the sheer amount of data there is to learn about a distant galaxy divided into the small percentage of easily observable is still greater than almost any set of information we could try to study about one planet.
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        Emotions, not facts?! (Score:0)
        by weepinganus (767987) Alter Relationship on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @12:51PM (#44498949) ...and on another hand we can love this planet by making decisions based on emotion rather than facts.

        I find this deeply troubling (no pun intended).
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                Re:Emotions, not facts?! (Score:2)
                by bill_mcgonigle (4333) * Alter Relationship on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @01:01PM (#44499111) Homepage Journal

                I find this deeply troubling

                Of course you do, you're an infectious Earth-microbe.
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                Re:Emotions, not facts?! (Score:1)
                by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @01:13PM (#44499297)

                You missed his point.

                On one hand we can party ourselves into oblivion by uncontrolled exploitation of the sea and on another hand we can love this planet by making decisions based on emotion rather than facts. The wise move would be to recognize the consequences, understand the trade-offs, and minimize our impact on the oceans and atmosphere.

                He's saying we can A) ignore the problem and be jerks, B) try to fix the problem with drum circles and patchouli,* C) try to save the environment in smart, sensible ways.

                    * This is not an attempt at that favorite pastime of Serious Liberals(tm) everywhere, the sport of Hippie Punching(tm). I love me some hippies, but I'm realistic about the mixed results they get.
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                Re:Emotions, not facts?! (Score:1)
                by Desler (1608317) Alter Relationship on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @01:36PM (#44499707)

                Then maybe not quote mine his words out of context and it will be less troubling for you?
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                Read between the lines (Score:2)
                by mi (197448) Alter Relationship on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @01:37PM (#44499719) Homepage
                He started the answer with the obligatory: "Ocean acidification is one of the most serious issues we are confronted with today."

                He then followed it up with: "I haven't personally noticed any affects of acidification". To this USSR-raised reader, the above lines mean: "Acidification is a trumped-up non-issue, but if I told you so, my funding would disappeared."
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        Slashdot fails again to ask the big questions... (Score:3)
        by FilmedInNoir (1392323) Alter Relationship on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @12:53PM (#44498981)
        Why did Sea Quest only last 3 seasons? And that 3rd was like, WTF! High-tech submarine pirates and Michael Ironside? Really? :P
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                Re:Slashdot fails again to ask the big questions.. (Score:2)
                by PPH (736903) Alter Relationship on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @01:45PM (#44499867)

                What about Sea Hunt?

                And stay off my lawn, kid.
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                Re:Slashdot fails again to ask the big questions.. (Score:0)
                by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @06:22PM (#44503319)

                I forgot how good SeaQuest was. Too bad they only made 2 seasons. They really should've made more.

                http://xkcd.com/566/ [xkcd.com]
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        Couldn't you have at least spellchecked this? (Score:1)
        by wonkey_monkey (2592601) Alter Relationship on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @01:39PM (#44499769)
        (comment aimed at the editors, not the contributor, who just needs a new space bar)

        People think science is unemotionalbut

        Charnia an other ancient extremophiles

        tâ(TM)s definitely possible... ...a âoenew continentâ in the Indian Ocean [full stop goes here]

        VOILAno one told them that.

        So, I ask youwhatâ(TM)s in that other 90%?

        Iâ(TM)m not a shark expertbut I have lots of friends that are

        Sharks play and incredibly important role

        its something I always keep in mind
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        Drifting sunken ship (Score:2)
        by PPH (736903) Alter Relationship on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @02:00PM (#44500091)

        There, completely beneath the waves was an old wooden sailing ship that was apparently being pushed along by currents

        Pics?

        I've heard of this as well. But it usually turns out to be a wreck floating very low in the water. Or someone passing over a sea mount with a wreck atop it. How can one tell that its the submerged ship slowly moving in the current and not themselves?
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                by John.Banister (1291556) * Alter Relationship on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @05:53PM (#44503013) Homepage
                GPS?
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        Human Ocean and Sea Habitability Possibilities (Score:0)
        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 07, 2013 @02:54PM (#44500885)

        knowpopulation is more nowbut the point is that we are like microbes on this planet and just like microbes we have managed to make the planet âoesickâ.

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Re:What's funny about Under the Dome (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44503865)

So this justifies stealing? Criminal!!!

Re:What's funny about Under the Dome (3, Informative)

Vanderhoth (1582661) | about a year ago | (#44503915)

How is it stealing when I already paid for it?

Re:What's funny about Under the Dome (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44504297)

If it's not for purchase on iTunes, pirate away!

Re:What's funny about Under the Dome (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44504519)

Jesus Christ! $150/mo for basic internet and cable.

Here in the UK we are used to living in ripoff Britain and paying over the odds for CDs DVDs, cars etc. but that price would get you a top of the line package with all the latest movies and every channel including premier league football(which is £20-30 on its own I think). I pay £40($60) a month and get 60Mbit unlimited(throttles to 15Mbit after about 3Gb download each day) internet, the most basic cable package and a land line telephone with answering service. I could get a TiVo box thrown in for another £5 but we don't really use the TV much.

Why the fuck do you guys put up with this shit?

piracy on some that is FTA on OTA? (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about a year ago | (#44503547)

It's only piracy in the teams being able to sue some one.

Availability of air (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44503549)

In other news, the availability of air is seen as a major factor in human respiration rates.

I would have gotten first post... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44503565)

But I was too busy downloading bad TV shows.

Re:I would have gotten first post... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44504429)

Its not bad, but it is another Jericho. So it has no god solid ending. Stephen King aside.

Obligatory (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44503571)

Re:Obligatory (1)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | about a year ago | (#44503895)

The page is inaccessible; do you happen to have a magnet link instead?

Obligatory Oatmeal (4, Informative)

tepples (727027) | about a year ago | (#44503991)

I don't have a magnet link, but I do have an HTTP link [theoatmeal.com] . Perhaps someone's HTTPS Everywhere rules have fallen out of sync.

Q.E.D. (5, Insightful)

jxander (2605655) | about a year ago | (#44503597)

This means that those "new" pirates had the capacity to pirate all along, but chose not to.

People are quite willing to pay for services such as television, but given the absence of legal means to do so, they will turn to illegal means.

Increase the legal avenues to access media and piracy will decrease accordingly.

Re:Q.E.D. (5, Insightful)

penix1 (722987) | about a year ago | (#44503633)

Although you may be correct, the real telling will be how many return to cable after getting the shows illegally without the advertising. Once the forbidden fruit is bitten, they may like it and never return...

Re:Q.E.D. (4, Insightful)

roc97007 (608802) | about a year ago | (#44503705)

Although you may be correct, the real telling will be how many return to cable after getting the shows illegally without the advertising. Once the forbidden fruit is bitten, they may like it and never return...

Yet another reason to provide a good enough service at a reasonable price from the very beginning, so that people never have a reason to explore illegal avenues.

Re:Q.E.D. (4, Insightful)

Opportunist (166417) | about a year ago | (#44503779)

That's why DRM created more copyright infringements than anything else.

People buy something, they notice that it doesn't work the way they're used to (like, say, that you're able to time and medium shift the content), get upset, get told that there are "other ways" to get said content, notice that those "other ways" are not only more convenient but also free and a new "pirate" is born.

Re:Q.E.D. (0)

Decker-Mage (782424) | about a year ago | (#44503885)

Apple certainly created a mess for the rest of the digital world by providing huge incentives to learning all about jail-breaking, torrents, and media conversion despite serious roadblocks. I wouldn't know word one of what to do with iOS stuff, they find it out on their own. Nice to see CBS and Time-Warner following in the hallowed footsteps of Steve Jobs.k

Re:Q.E.D. (1)

mcgrew (92797) | about a year ago | (#44503937)

Not just that they notice that it doesn't work the way they're used to, but that the pirated version is usually superior to the paid version. Take DVDs, a five dollar movie from WalMart often has unskippable trailers and always have warnings not to pirate even though they paid for the damned thing so the stupid warning isn't needed anyway. Then somebody gives them a burned DVD and it doesn't have all that control freak bullshit and tells them about TPB. It's only five bucks for the WalMart DVD, but hell... the studios are shooting themselves in their feet,

Re:Q.E.D. (1)

Beardo the Bearded (321478) | about a year ago | (#44504079)

Burned DVD? My BR player plays MKV from a thumbdrive. ;)

Re:Q.E.D. (1)

Richy_T (111409) | about a year ago | (#44504355)

Thumbdrive? Drag & drop to the DVR.

Re:Q.E.D. (2)

girlintraining (1395911) | about a year ago | (#44504027)

That's why DRM created more copyright infringements than anything else.

Not exactly. People are ditching cable TV in record numbers because it's exactly like regular TV. Originally, cable TV promised no advertisements for a small fee, and better selection. But over time, advertising crept in. Now, over 1/3rd of programming is advertising. When you include video overlays into programming content, it's closer to 50%. Piracy, on the other hand, has no advertising. It has cut away all the bullshit and serves you just what you want to see, and only that. No mandatory trailers. No unskippable advertisements. No FBI warnings. Just the content, nothing more, nothing else, nothing less.

See, pirated material is currently the only way to get HD material without advertising. Even Netflix doesn't offer true HD streaming, nor does it allow play-later downloading that is HD. There isn't a single service in the United States or almost anywhere that allows real-time, on demand programming without advertisements. Considering we've had the technology to do this since the mid-80s, that says a lot about the mentality of content providers.

There is a huge disconnect between them, and the consumers. And the consumers are increasingly finding ways to cut the middlemen out of the equation and get content directly. I'm waiting for the collapse of the distribution industry; in the future, TV shows will be bid on like kickstarter projects, and things like having the first few shows (or even season!) available for free will become commonplace, and places like Amazon and Netflix will allow you to purchase and download the complete series for only a few dollars, and episodes for pennies. And the thing is... it'll be more profitable to the producers, and cheaper for the consumers. It's a win-win scenario for everyone...

Except the middlemen.

Re:Q.E.D. (1)

entrigant (233266) | about a year ago | (#44504167)

Even Netflix doesn't offer true HD streaming

10Mbps 1080p doesn't qualify here? Finding that kind of quality through piracy is extraordinarily difficult.

There isn't a single service in the United States or almost anywhere that allows real-time, on demand programming without advertisements.

Well, ignoring Netflix, there's vudu.com which I use frequently. They even support play later downloading. There's also Amazon instant streaming, but I avoid that due to the sub par quality vs Netflix.

Between Netflix and VUDU I can get higher quality videos more easily than any piracy avenue.

Interestingly enough, the show this article is about is not on either service. I've never heard of it because of that, and my give a shit is precisely 0. For the obsessive "Must See Now!" crowd that can't wait for it to be available on such services or find something equally entertaining that is available now the gap still exists. While I have no sympathy for that mentality as I learned long ago that it is mostly a waste of energy and generally unhealthy, I will agree it's a giant gaping hole in the market. All there is is Hulu, which has ads, with a monthly payment, and half the content won't work on appliances designed for televisions.

Screw Hulu

Re:Q.E.D. (2)

roc97007 (608802) | about a year ago | (#44504531)

100% agree on the "must see now" mentality. It's the kind of argument that you shouldn't timeshift programs because then you won't be able to talk with your coworkers around the watercooler about what was on last night. Or the most egregious claim, that kids who live in broadcast-TV-free homes are being abused because they won't have any social commonality with their peers at school. I'm not sure I want to participate in a society where simultaneous reception of mindless entertainment is a right and a responsibility.

I prefer to wait a season or two for most things, to (a) get a sense of whether the show is going to continue or die on a cliffhanger (cough-bunheads-cough) and to (b) get a sense of whether the writers actually have a goal in mind, or if they're just planning to wander the desert for 40 years. Or until cancellation, whatever happens first.

And by then, the first season is available somewhere -- netflix usually -- and I can maintain a comfortable cushion between the current episode and what I'm currently watching.

Speaking of which, the family is currently watching a 10 year old TV series for the first time. And it's every bit as entertaining watching it on demand, without commercials, than it ever might have been in real time. (It also absolutely busts cliffhangers. "Oooh that season finale was brutal! How will our heroine get out of that?" "Well, we could just watch the next episode and find out." "Ok." I tell you, this beats the hell outta having to wait 3 months.)

Parenthetically, it seems like the act of time shifting is starting to fade, as on-demand becomes more generally accessible. I think this is a good thing.

Re:Q.E.D. (3, Informative)

Obfuscant (592200) | about a year ago | (#44504563)

Originally, cable TV promised no advertisements for a small fee,

I don't know why this canard keeps popping up, but it's simply not true.

Cable TV started as MATV -- master antenna TV, or CATV -- community antenna TV. Communities (or apartment buildings) that had poor reception (or didn't allow antennas in the case of apartments) put up a central antenna and fed the received broadcast signals to the users via cable. That's the "original" cable TV, and there was NEVER a promise of "no ads". It was simply broadcast TV with an antenna better than any one individual had.

Cable companies started popping up to provide this service. Why should an apartment manager deal with this when he can hire someone to do it for him? One big tower with a lot of antennas and one cable distribution plant is more cost effective than every building with one. Early cable companies provided up to 12 channels of service, using the VHF tuners in the customer's own TV. Those channels were what the head end antennas picked up OTA. With ads. For a fee.

The next step was the "pay TV" side of cable, now that you had a system to distribute the signals and control who got them. (A short-lived encrypted-via-broadcast system appeared, but this was expensive and died out.) Those pay services made the promise of "no ads" because they were subscriber supported and could afford it. HBO was a premiere player here. But alongside the pay services were the newly forming cable-only networks, distributed by the same satellite systems that the big pay services were using, and those have (almost) always had ads. (It was so uncommon that I cannot recall which ones were ad-free to start with, but I'm thinking Disney was.)

So no, there was never a promise of "no ads" by cable TV companies. That's just ridiculous. They formed to carry the broadcast signals originally, and those broadcast signals have always had ads. The pay services distributed by cable may promise "no ads" but cable as a whole has never ever ever made that promise. It can't. The promise cable made was diversity by being able to carry more networks than OTA ever coould. The secondary promise, now often forgot, is the ability of cable to carry local origination -- channels specific to each community, at a finer grained level than broadcast has. PEG -- public, education, and government -- access is the result of that.

But over time, advertising crept in.

That 'over time' period was at the beginning of TV itself, which followed the appearance of ads on radio.

Piracy, on the other hand, has no advertising. It has cut away all the bullshit and serves you just what you want to see, and only that. No mandatory trailers. No unskippable advertisements. No FBI warnings. Just the content, nothing more, nothing else, nothing less.

The only DVDs for which this hasn't been true have been the very few cheap crap DVDs from Alpha that aren't rippable. Otherwise, I've yet to be forced to watch trailers or ads. The trailers and ads are different titles from the content on every DVD I've seen.

See, pirated material is currently the only way to get HD material without advertising.

I'm watching Curse of the Pink Panther as I write this, in HD, from a DVD I bought from the local grocery store for $3. No ads. No FBI warnings. They aren't pirated, even though they look very much like it. They're "pre-watched". For a few dollars more I could buy the official DVD and still have no ads. Piracy may be one means of achieving this, but it certainly isn't the only means.

Considering we've had the technology to do this since the mid-80s, that says a lot about the mentality of content providers.

Yes. They want money to pay for providing programming, and instead of charging you by view they're charging advertisers. Now, many of the on-demand programs I watch allow fast forwarding through the ads, and many of them have a lot fewer ads to start with. Some annoying ones do disable the fast forward and even have the same ads as the original distribution, but that's a relatively new thing from what I've seen.

Re:Q.E.D. (1)

mcrbids (148650) | about a year ago | (#44504091)

That's why DRM created more copyright infringements than anything else.

Really?

Tell that to Netflix? It's all 100% DRM and at $8/month is demonstrably reducing the piracy rate.

Re:Q.E.D. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44504243)

But not because of the DRM.

Re:Q.E.D. (1)

Obfuscant (592200) | about a year ago | (#44504049)

Yet another reason to provide a good enough service at a reasonable price from the very beginning, so that people never have a reason to explore illegal avenues.

Those who pirated the episode due to the "blackout" apparently thought that the Time Warner price was reasonable, since they were getting the program via cable prior.

If you are referring to CBS providing the program for a reasonable price, then you need to remember that it is one person (Time Warner) making that decision, not the market as a whole.

Perhaps what we should take from this is that CBS is cutting its own throat by making their product more expensive. The drop in ratings will convert to a drop in ad revenue, which CBS can keep higher by having more eyeballs viewing the ads. In this sense, cable is doing CBS a service and shouldn't have to pay extra.

I wonder if any of the blackout areas have a CBS affiliate that is willing to all for "must carry", which would mean Time Warner doesn't pay for the station and the blackout would be illegal.

Re:Q.E.D. (2)

roc97007 (608802) | about a year ago | (#44504315)

I'd say that the price is demonstrably good enough, because people were paying it. It's the blackout, which to users (who don't care about faceless companies pissing on each other) falls under the category of "not good enough service". If you can't watch the show (especially after paying for the channel) that's not good service. So, to see the show, other means must be sought.

Re:Q.E.D. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44503719)

[citation needed]

Re:Q.E.D. (1)

Decker-Mage (782424) | about a year ago | (#44503951)

[citation needed]? Demanded by an Anonymous Coward? Methinks not, but if you really, really need to bone up on the subject, there's an entire field dedicated to the subject. It's called "Economics." And should you really, really need access to the data, go look at all the studies by Econometricians. Those are the people that develop the statistical and mathematical models and how to test them against reality. I know. I 'R' one. I took my degree in econometrics, statistics, and computer science. Triple-Threat. [That's after being bored by working a dozen years as a professional engineer. Another kind of Applied Mathematician.]

How's that for a reply to your plaintive "Appeal to Authority." Dipshit. Next time, use your own name to cast aspersions.

Re:Q.E.D. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44504211)

Words, words, words, yet no citation provided. Try again.

Re:Q.E.D. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44503735)

Although you may be correct, the real telling will be how many return to cable after getting the shows illegally without the advertising. Once the forbidden fruit is bitten, they may like it and never return...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope

Re:Q.E.D. (1)

Opportunist (166417) | about a year ago | (#44503765)

We'll be able to study that next week if we so choose.

Re:Q.E.D. (5, Interesting)

wierd_w (1375923) | about a year ago | (#44503995)

This goes well with an assertion I have held about piracy for years.

It goes something like this:

Producers control supply, and have a "target" price they wish to meet. This could be perfectly sensible, or it could be inflated in a fashion that would make even the debiers diamond cartel blush. Does not matter. They control the supply, and have a target price.

Because they control supply, they restrict the supply until demand for the product permits them to reach that target.

Piracy happens when:

The hidden and intrinsic costs of piracy are less than the inflationary costs induced by restricting supply, via puncturing the producer's stranglehold over the supply.

Thus, piracy rate is a fundemental feature of the modern information economy. It shows, without bias, how artificially stacked the target price is against what the natural market price is. It is every bit as useful as tracking wages, tracking unemployment, or tracking free time.

The problem, is that you whave whole sections of the economy that are propped up by the wholesale control over supply. Without being propped up above the true market ideal price, and enforced via artificial scarcity, the product is simply not profitable to produce. (At least in some circumstances.) The market really does not fucking care about that. The price is inflated, and piracy rate consistently indicates that fact.

Piracy, being a fundemental feature of the information economy, (owing to the nearly free cost of duplication and distribution that can be employed), should not be seen as "the boogey man" of content producers. They would be much better served to simply accept piracy to be as inevitable as a rainy day is, and instead focus on how their business can cope with the presense of piracy in the market.

Again, piracy occurs when the implicit and explicit costs of piracy are less than the costs of legal purchase. Those costs are NOT all monetary.

1) downloading a bulk pack of episodes takes time.
2) the download saturates the download pipe, preventing the downloader from doing other things, like playing games online.
3) the download could be broken, encoded poorly, be in the wrong language, have hardcooked subtitles in chinese, etc.
4) the download could contain malicious software
5) you could be sued for many millions of dollars per file downloaded.

People are willing to put up with a pretty significant amount of crap, if the inconvenience cost of the legal distribution method is less inconvenient than the illegal method.

This is why there was a HUGE reduction in "illegal MP3 activity" when iTunes hit the stage, and went DRM-free. While iTunes is FAAR from perfect, and clearly does not nor is meant to, service everyone-- it does present a significantly "easier" and "cheaper" alternative to the illegal alternatives, that is usually much safer as well. (Some argument can be made about the quality and nature of the iTunes client software that are noteworthy in that dept, but this is slashdot, and I am sure you already know.)

Likewise, when Netflix came on the scene, there was a HUGE reduction in illegal movie activity.

The reason, in both instances: the cost of the legal offering came down significantly, both in terms of monetary value, and in terms of inconvenience. They both presented an option that was "simply better."

The inconvenience costs of the pirate distribution system are endemic, and can't easily or sensibly be removed. Some pirate distribution systems have tried to deal with that problem through exclusivity, like demonoid, but that only compartmentalizes the problem, and imposes another inconvenience to the pirate distribution model-- namely, now you also have to be invited to pirate, rather than simply participate. (If you can become a member to the sanitized secret pirate social club, the benefits become obvious, but the initial obstacle cannot be less than the trouble associated with the consequences of working with the rabble they keep out. Virus whores, porn relabelers, et al.)

So, all a content provider *really* needs to do is be mindful of a few things, and piracy will be part of the long tail of the market:

1) price the product closer to the ideal market price, using piracy rate as a metric.

2) make the product significantly easier to obtain legally than through pirate channels.

3) avoid including "bads" in the product, so that it is simply a better offering than what pirates offer. (Like DRM, and other nonsense.)

4) accept that piracy is as natural as water being wet, and simply observe and understand it as a market force, rather than as an anathema to be killed with fire from an orbital nuke strike.

5) accept that this new market is simply incapable of sustaining old, and previously highly lucrative models of commerce that were based on supply side market manipulation, and either phase out those products, or move to a totally new product market.

I understand that selling at near the ideal market price is not how you get 10 figure salaries and golden parachutes. They should understand that they are not entitled to 10 figure salaries, and golden parachutes.

Based on that premise, and the prevailing data to support it, I would predict that if CBS turns around and offers easy access with limited commerical content to the shows in question, that the piracy will vanish just as suddenly as it sprang up.

Re:Q.E.D. (3)

fractoid (1076465) | about a year ago | (#44504381)

Good post.

If there were a Netflix-style online streaming/viewing service that offered legitimate downloads, full HD, no ads, allowing you to sign up for individual cable TV channels, that was actually available outside the U.S. ... hell, I'd buy it.

The problem as I see it is that the cable TV industry is still working on the same premise that the recording industry was working on 20 years ago. Take a couple of hits, bundle a whole lot of useless crap in with it, then make people pay for the crap they don't want in order to get to the good stuff. I don't think they quite understand how much bigger the market has become in those 20 years. They can afford to drop the sale price by 50-80%, cut out the bundling, cut out the advertising. If that will get them a significant market share, the sheer volume will make up for it.

Re:Q.E.D. (1)

jxander (2605655) | about a year ago | (#44504123)

Very true. And it's a problem that will only increase.

I imagine a lot of the new eyepatches and peg legs were handed out to people who had never even considered piracy before. Maybe they'd heard of it, but figured it was too hard, too techy, or whatever. That is, until their show gets hit. Then it's time to get googling and figure this out. Now that genie is out, and more people realize how easy is it (or so I've been told *ahem*)

As time goes on, more and more people will get a taste for this, and the studios will have a harder and harder time getting people back. Plus word will spread amongst entire new subsets of viewers. Once soccer moms get onboard, there'll be no stopping it.

Re:Q.E.D. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44503737)

I went from 1TB a month to zero once I got Netflix and Hulu Plus.

Re:Q.E.D. (1)

rudy_wayne (414635) | about a year ago | (#44503841)

This means that those "new" pirates had the capacity to pirate all along, but chose not to.

People are quite willing to pay for services such as television, but given the absence of legal means to do so, they will turn to illegal means.

Increase the legal avenues to access media and piracy will decrease accordingly.

Give me television shows that I can download, without restriction, and that have no commercials and no shit plastered all over the screen (network logos, ads for other upcoming shows, etc) and I might actually be interested in paying for that. Otherwise, fuck you.

Re:Q.E.D. (1)

fractoid (1076465) | about a year ago | (#44504175)

People are quite willing to pay for services such as television, but given the absence of legal means to do so, they will turn to illegal means.

I think people are missing the point a little when they say "see, people pay for this show." These people pay for their cable TV subscription once a month but then the individual shows are "free", just like (from my point of view) I pay my internet subscription and after that anything I download is "free." There is no incremental cost of watching a show once you have your subscription.

For me, at least, it's more about effort factor. If you already have a cable subscription then it's more effort to torrent it, and so you watch it on cable. If you don't have a cable subscription then it's more effort to buy the box set than it is to just download it. Services like Netflix allow legitimate downloads for a fee, much like on-demand cable, and as such are the best of all worlds.

Sorry, Netflix is not available in your country yet.

Oh well, it probably wouldn't have the show I want anyway. Back to ze torrents.

Re:Q.E.D. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44504583)

Providing legal options that are convenient and high-quality enough to compete with the free offerings means:

1) Lowering our prices.
2) Increasing our costs to cover the infrastructure and end-user hardware that operates this reliably.
3) Keeping advertisements minimal and unobtrusive, which further cuts into our profit margins.
4) Trusting our users to not abuse all the power they get over the content once we relinquish control.

None of these, not one, are acceptable. Any of these points by themselves would be an egregious offense against our privileged position as content owners/distributors. We earned this monopoly, and we have a right to it and to profit from it.

The only reasonable alternative is to increase the penalties and policing of piracy to the point where people stop doing it, and come back to the table, ready to play ball on reasonable terms.

What's with... (1)

Chompjil (2746865) | about a year ago | (#44503615)

People having the convince of TV shows on their iphone/andoid/(Slashdot forbid)Windows Phone/ipad/whatever. Wouldn't that be better? To have the primetime shows on a streaming service/light DRM-Download service? You'd have less piracy since it would be convenient. But I guess all these big corporations have not seen the light of the modern era. If it was on iTunes even, you'd get money from that as well, surprising isn't it.

Re:What's with... (0)

Chompjil (2746865) | about a year ago | (#44503619)

inb4 me getting a -1

Re:What's with... (4, Informative)

Guppy06 (410832) | about a year ago | (#44503721)

Most of these shows can be watched legitimately at cbs.com, but CBS is currently blocking anybody with a TimeWarner Cable IP address.

Re:What's with... (1)

Chompjil (2746865) | about a year ago | (#44503755)

Yep...and guess What's my ISP

Re:What's with... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44504227)

http://eztv.it/

enjoy...

Re:What's with... (1)

Megane (129182) | about a year ago | (#44504545)

They can also be watched with this new piece of equipment called an "antenna". I've heard it lets you watch some (not all, but a few) TV channels without paying a monthly bill!

Re:What's with... (2)

robot256 (1635039) | about a year ago | (#44503945)

In spite of all their wailing about piracy, they know as well as the rest of us that the goal isn't to eliminate piracy, it's to maximize profits. Giving it away to everyone legally does them less good than ignoring a small amount of piracy and guilting the rest of us into paying for it.

Fascinating! (1)

Highland Deck Box (2786087) | about a year ago | (#44503623)

They also commissioned a study on whether water is wet and if the pope is Catholic.

Re:Fascinating! (3, Funny)

Opportunist (166417) | about a year ago | (#44503801)

Still no news on whether or not large mammals defecate in forested areas?

Re:Fascinating! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44504205)

Still no news on whether or not large mammals defecate in forested areas?

That's still in peer review...

Re:Fascinating! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44503851)

According to Bill Maher, the pope might be an atheist. [christianpost.com]

CBS screwed themaselves even more (5, Insightful)

dirk (87083) | about a year ago | (#44503629)

Another reason the torrent numbers probably wen up is that CBS also blocked TW customers from accessing their shows from the CBS website. If a TW customer went to the CBS website to try and watch a show, they weren't able to. So any money they could have made from that was gone as well. So really, CBS actually pushed people who would go through the next legitimate channel further down the line. Sure, they could possibly buy it from Amazon or iTunes, but at a dollar per show, that is a pretty hefty price for a show you will watch once and then delete.

Re:CBS screwed themaselves even more (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44503855)

I did my first Amazon streaming 2 nights ago. I won't be doing it again. For HD it was $2.99 an episode. Add up the amount of TV the family watches and if it was $2.99 for each thing we watched (recorded on TiVo from cable), we would own hundreds of dollars on our cable bill. These folks think their content is worth a lot more that it is (hence the reason I won't be watching any more Amazon - the wife wanted to try it out). $2.99 for 43 minutes of so-so content. They can keep it.

Re:CBS screwed themaselves even more (1)

hedwards (940851) | about a year ago | (#44503889)

Is that show not provided by Amazon Prime? Because that's a relatively affordable service, plus you get free shipping as well.

Re:CBS screwed themaselves even more (1)

mikeiver1 (1630021) | about a year ago | (#44504231)

And why in the hell should you have to go and pay AGAIN for a show you are already supposedly paying for access to legally? These pissing contest between content providers and content distributors happens from time to time and really is a good thing. It shows John Q Public just how in the pockets of these companies they are and gets them thinking of ways to get out. We don't pirate programs, let alone watch most of the crap on TV at this time. It is a combo of not enough time and shit content. We have internet only, no cable channels at all, and get limited TV off air using a silicondust HD homerun box. Works great and the HD programs are recorded in HD! We have Netflix for movies and TV programs and Pandora for a good smattering of music. We pay for these services to support them since they follow what we consider a good model for the future of content distribution. Can I record Netflix or Pandora? No, but then I don't really need to with Netflix. As time moves on more and more are going to be willing to wait for distributors like Netflix to bring programs to them and glorious commercial free goodness. we sure are and allot of our friends are coming around to our way of watching.

Re:CBS screwed themaselves even more (1)

hedwards (940851) | about a year ago | (#44504257)

So, in other words, you're granting a free pass to Netflix and Pandora, but holding Amazon to a higher standard.

Re:CBS screwed themaselves even more (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44504301)

I see someone bought the marketing hook, line, and sinker. It's not free shipping. It costs $79 per year, thus shipping per item is $79 / n, where n is the number of items shipped in that year.

Yarrr! (3, Funny)

Greyfox (87712) | about a year ago | (#44503651)

Avast ye buccaneers! They've cut ourrr access! Batten down the hatches and farrrrr up the bittorrent! We be settin' sail for the commercial-free waters of internet piracy, global warmin' be damned! Yarrr!

Boston? (1)

porges (58715) | about a year ago | (#44503703)

I'm in the Boston area, and I don't think we even have TWC around here. It's mostly Comcast with some RCN and Verizon.

How do you "pirate" something that is free? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44503751)

It's shown on the air for free - so how is this pirating?

Remember my.mp3.com? (3, Interesting)

tepples (727027) | about a year ago | (#44504089)

It's pirating because current law requires you to make your own copy from the signal received over the air (Sony v. Universal), not through an unauthorized Internet transmission (UMG v. MP3.com). The resulting copies are indistinguishable other than that making one is an infringement and making the other is not.

Well, DUH! (5, Insightful)

Opportunist (166417) | about a year ago | (#44503835)

What do you expect?

Let's face it, for most people simply turning on the TV is more convenient than downloading a show and then figuring out a way how to watch it sensibly on their computer equipment. They easily and willingly accept ads as the price for that convenience. Remember that they're not technical people like most on here, they want something that "just works", and they don't consider watching shows on their computer or connecting it to a TV very convenient.

But if they have a favorite show, especially if it's a show that spans a longer story arc and doesn't just consist of self contained episodes, they will go that extra mile to compensate if their cable provider drops the ball. And no, you may rest assured that they're not happy about it, far from it. It was most likely a hassle for them to get that show, they had quite a bit of "expense" (in terms of time and 'nerves') to get their show back.

It's actually even likely that they will not continue this policy despite the ads. It's simply more convenient for them to just switch on the TV, grab a box of chips and sprawl out on the couch rather than tinkering and toying with the computer to get that.

Re:Well, DUH! (1)

tepples (727027) | about a year ago | (#44504147)

they don't consider watching shows on their computer or connecting it to a TV very convenient.

Only because they haven't met hairyfeet, who works in a computer store building home theater PCs for a living. At this point, it's as easy as buying a PC, connecting HDMI out to HDMI in, and pairing a Bluetooth thumb keyboard with trackball.

Re:Well, DUH! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44504533)

uTorrent + Plex + Roku = easy

Barely worth pirating (3, Insightful)

markdavis (642305) | about a year ago | (#44503837)

The sad part is that "Under the Dome" really does SUCK. I am hooked and want to know what is happening, but the whole "drama" part is so horrible, I am fast forwarding through at least half of each show now.

And no, I don't pirate the video, it is on Cox.

Re:Barely worth pirating (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44504001)

I hadnt even heard of "Under the Dome" but I might try at least the first episode,bittorrent of course.I think im allergic to commercials. If I watch broadcast TV, the second a commercial comes on, I change the channel. I refuse to watch commercials or advertising! I am inundated with it every where I go, when I sit down to watch something that's all I want to watch. Even such mundane half-hour shows are so much better without commercials. South Park, Judge Judy, my name is Earl, all shows I grew to love watching by Internet means. I don't really know the solution, because I just wouldn't be a fan of those shows. I can't wait for the final season of "breaking bad"coming in a few days. But I guarantee I won't be watching it on television. How about some sort of sliding scale system for media! The poor pirate because they have no money, and the rich don't pirate because they have money.but the rich are pretty much running the show

Read the book (1)

tepples (727027) | about a year ago | (#44504169)

I hadnt even heard of "Under the Dome" but I might try at least the first episode [...] I think im allergic to commercials. If I watch broadcast TV, the second a commercial comes on, I change the channel. I refuse to watch commercials or advertising!

SPOILER ALERT: The whole TV series is an ad for a book [wikipedia.org] .

I call shenigans. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44504045)

Is inducing a jump in piracy rates CBS's way of promoting a show to those of us who assumed that the show was junk?

Re:Barely worth pirating (1)

dmbasso (1052166) | about a year ago | (#44504095)

And Junior gets the award for worst character ever. But he has huge competition from the characters in Falling Skies, where cheap appeals to emotion are the norm.

IMHO, the best sci-fi series airing now is Continuum.

Re:Barely worth pirating (1)

TheGoodNamesWereGone (1844118) | about a year ago | (#44504263)

It's pretty awful. The pilot opened up with some scraggly-bearded mangina burying a body, and we're supposed to think he's a *good guy*. It goes downhill from there. None of the characters I saw were sympathetic in any way. I tried to watch the second episode and gave up after a few minutes. Not worth pirating, indeed.

Re: Barely worth pirating (1)

alen (225700) | about a year ago | (#44504339)

It will be classic Steven king
Goes on and on and just ends. Like a m. Night shylan movie

Re:Barely worth pirating (1)

Richy_T (111409) | about a year ago | (#44504409)

I watched episode 1. That was enough.

Proof! BS can't be controlled! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44503881)

CBS, Time Warner watching their profit margins will not stop retards from watching BS shows.

WTG!

moDd uP (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44503957)

people already; i'm questions, then Electied, we took violated. In the

Pirating? (1)

Ogive17 (691899) | about a year ago | (#44503975)

Is it still pirating when it is distributed for free?

yaaaarr?

Re:Pirating? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44504209)

To a pirate, everything anyone does ever is "piracy." And the copyright mafia are the epitome of scum who steal and then lie about it for a living.

Re:Pirating? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44504403)

It's only free as in beer. Your payment is in the form of allowing your attention to be conscripted by commercials. The reason TV is called "the idiot box" or "boob tube" is that when your attention is conscripted, your mind is being programmed - that's what the advertisers pay broadcasters to do - interlace the advertiser's brainwashing with the bait that is a TV show.

Viewer = fish
Bait = TV shows
Fishing rod = broadcaster
Fisherman = advertiser

Almost used 'programming' instead of TV shows - after all it's sub-conscious programming of the human mind to buy specific shit based on brand name or to buy into a specific ideology and to come back for more so it's the same thing.

The crime is having the audacity to separate the brainwashing from the bait.

A better long-term response (1)

techno-vampire (666512) | about a year ago | (#44504099)

My family has had TWC for several decades, although we don't use them for our Internet service. As soon as we learned that they'd dropped CBS, we called one of their competitors and signed up with them. We were told that normally, they'd be able to have a tech out to make the switch in two or three days. Right now, it's taking about eleven days because they're so backed up with TWC customers bailing because of this. This sounds like the typical decision MBAs make when they get the chance: raise the short-term bottom line at the expense of long-term interests. With any luck, they'll lose more revenue this quarter because of the loss of customers than they'll make up by cutting down the number of channels they provide.

History of nonsense (4, Informative)

BenJeremy (181303) | about a year ago | (#44504177)

Pre-1996:
TV Stations: Broadcast all day long... what's that, Cable company?
Cable company (10% of TV viewers): We are going to carry your station in our market, bringing you to some new viewers.
TV Stations: (SHRUG) OK, go for it. More viewers means more ratings! More ratings means more advertising revenue!

1996:
Federal Government: Here you go, Broadcast stations, you can now demand payment for being carried on a cable provider! with The Telecommunications Act of 1996
Cable Companies: WTF?
Federal Government: The free ride is over
TV Stations: Hmmmm... free money, we like that!

Post-1996:
TV Stations: GIMME, GIMME, GIMME, GIMME, GIMME, GIMME, GIMME, GIMME, GIMME, GIMME!
Cable Companies: It's not worth THAT much for us to caryr you. How about we start whittling down the network affiliates to a single, small local-market station

(time passes)

TV Stations: Our ratings our down, we are losing ratings to cable stations - it's all the cable company's fault! Raise the rates!!
Cable Companies (now 95% of the viewers): Geez, not this again, this is ridiculous, we're outta here. Goodbye, CBS.

(Sometime in the next decade):
TV Stations: Where did all our viewers go? Doesn't anybody have antennas? Why does the FCC want to narrow the broadcast spectrum to "auction valuable unused frequencies"? Hey Cable Company, want to carry us at a slightly discounted rate?
Cable Companies: (Chirp Chirp Chirp)

----------- At least that's the way I see it. Where does CBS think those viewers will come from? Will they magically sprout an ATSC TV antenna out of their collective asses and start receiving OTA signals again? Over 90% of their viewers no longer HAVE antennas and don't care. They can PIRATE your programs and why feel guilty??!? They got the programs for "free" before.

GREED is the ultimate downfall of broadcast networks. Cable providers do OTA broadcasters a SERVICE by providing access to large numbers of viewers, which in turn incereases ratings, which, in turn, increases revenues. There was NEVER a need to double dip by demanding cable companies pay a fee.

Ratings are way off base... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44504217)

The fact that the "official" ratings fell also goes to show that the ratings system that these guys are using are decades out of date. The show didn't lose popularity at all, as shown by the piracy rates but if executives pay primary attention to these "ratings" they're going to end up cancelling shows that otherwise get a lot of attention.

Why aren't piracy numbers included in the ratings? (1)

tlambert (566799) | about a year ago | (#44504249)

Why aren't piracy numbers included in the ratings?

If they are able to quantify them that precisely, they should be included in the ratings numbers, since what you care about is how many people watch the show. If you know how many people watch the show, then you know what markets to target, and the value of a commercial on the show as an influencer.

Companies such as Reckitt Benckiser (Lysol) already advertise on the pirate sites, as do other major U.S. Companies, as well as the American Red Cross (I'm told). Clearly the issue is one about contract exclusivity excluding other distribution channels, and about getting a cut of the advertising revenue.

I'd be very surprised if the advertising supported "pirate" sites weren't getting a lot of their uploads directly from the networks themselves, as a side channel to get around the exclusivity contracts with the distributors.

They broadcast TV shows? (1)

kwiqsilver (585008) | about a year ago | (#44504365)

Really? Why would they do that when they can just seed them on bittorrent?

Been years since I've watched TV... (3, Insightful)

SternisheFan (2529412) | about a year ago | (#44504595)

I haven't watched tv in years, sounds like I'm not missing anything that special. CBS isn't on an overly expensive cable subscription? This makes no difference to my life whatsoever. Cable was commercial free, now they have got people used to paying for commercial tv, and I never saw the sense to that. My library has lots of DVDs of good (and bad) movies and tv shows, for when I need a fix of boob-tube viewing, which is rarer and rarer lately. Real life beckons, and I'll be damned if I'll be spending (wasting) my remaining years on this planet sitting zombie-like in front of a screen, bitching about how my cable company doesn't carry a channel that has little to offer. Breaking the tv habit is quite freeing, and I doubt I'll ever go back to that world. There's too much other great things to actually 'do' in life.
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