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Want To Record Xbox One Gameplay? Get Ready To Pay

timothy posted about a year ago | from the nobody-rides-for-free dept.

Microsoft 203

First time accepted submitter tocsy writes "Microsoft has seemingly not learned from their previous PR fiasco. According to the official site, some features as basic as recording and sharing gameplay videos will require a $60/year Xbox Live Gold account. PS4 owners will of course also have to pay for some online services, but recording and streaming will not be exclusive to Plus subscribers."

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203 comments

LOL (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44514517)

LOL Xbone fanbois. They love bending over and taking it in the ass almost as much as Apple users.

Re:LOL (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44515225)

Except that Apple's shit works.

Re:LOL (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44515329)

Until you "hold it wrong".

It's called a capture card... (1)

Sydin (2598829) | about a year ago | (#44514521)

Or are they also doing HDCP just to make sure that if you want to record footage, you need to pony up the cash?

Either way. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44514625)

I'm done with consoles. None of them can be trusted.

Greedy assholes. Fuck them all.

Re:Either way. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44514815)

It's OK. It's time to embrace the GabeN and build yourself a Steam Box [wikipedia.org] .

It'll be all right.

Re:Either way. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44514989)

For all 10 of the games which support linux natively!

Re:Either way. (4, Informative)

acariquara (753971) | about a year ago | (#44515255)

I'll bite. I run Steam on Windows and OSX, my Windows client lists 257 games. The same library on OSX amass 167 games, and 83 on Linux.

Yeah, Linux compatibility is a fraction of Windows Steam titles, but not that low.

Re:Either way. (5, Informative)

Sarten-X (1102295) | about a year ago | (#44515317)

Yeah, Linux compatibility is a fraction of Windows Steam titles...

As an utter jackass, I feel compelled to point out that every rational number, even those greater than one, are fractions.

Re:Either way. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44515429)

The IRS determined that:

  1. The religion of Scientology is a bona fide religion;
  2. These churches of Scientology and their related organizations are operated exclusively for recognized religious purposes;
  3. These churches and their related institutions benefit the public, not private interests.
  4. No part of the net earnings of these churches inures for the benefit of any individual or noncharitable entity.

Re:Either way. (0)

dmbasso (1052166) | about a year ago | (#44515435)

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=definition+fraction [lmgtfy.com]

2. A small or tiny part, amount, or proportion of something.

So, not only a jackass, an idiot one at that.

Re:Either way. (5, Informative)

Sarten-X (1102295) | about a year ago | (#44515573)

You missed the first definition, and all of the wit:

1. A numerical quantity that is not a whole number

Or, you could consider that the default dictionary is simply wrong. Improper fractions representing whole numbers are still fractions, and that limited scope doesn't even cover all of the fields that use the word "fraction". Try this one [thefreedictionary.com] instead. It's a more complete set of definitions, but it does lack that particular insulting quality that you seem to hold so dear.

Re:Either way. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44515703)

You know, if you were just joking, then you should have just let it go. Now you look like you're grasping at straws to justify what you said, since any (reasonably-educated) native English speaker will be familiar with the definition of 'fraction' that he was using.

Re:Either way. (1)

dmbasso (1052166) | about a year ago | (#44515741)

Try this one [thefreedictionary.com] instead. It's a more complete set of definitions, but it does lack that particular insulting quality that you seem to hold so dear.

From your link:
1 - 3. A small part; a bit: moved a fraction of a step.
2 - 3. a small piece; fragment
3 - 3. a part of a whole: Only a fraction of the members were present.
3 - 4. a small part or segment: only a fraction of the cost.

So, it seems you need the following link:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+do+dictionaries+work%3F [lmgtfy.com]

Re:Either way. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44515517)

No, every rational number can be represented as a fraction (ratio of p/q where p and q are nonzero integers)... that's not the same thing.

Re:It's called a capture card... (1)

ackthpt (218170) | about a year ago | (#44514809)

In Xbox Live Gold

the Gold is what you have to give them, not to be confused with some pseudo-status.

'and for Xbox Live Double Platinum we'll give them regular updates to the software used for paying us!'

Re: It's called a capture card... (2)

dnadoc (3013299) | about a year ago | (#44514821)

Might be FUD. GameDVR is a new in-game feature. They're not removing or restricting old functionality, afaik.

Re: It's called a capture card... (2)

HairyNevus (992803) | about a year ago | (#44515095)

Yeah, this article is biased, but not incorrect. Namely, they forgot to point out that the PS4, for the first time in the console history, will require its subscription (PlayStation Plus) for online play. Here's a more even take on how both consoles are ramping up their profits: http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/pay-play-xbox-one-playstation-4-differ-premium-features-6C10874607 [nbcnews.com] .

Re:It's called a capture card... (2, Insightful)

gl4ss (559668) | about a year ago | (#44514835)

even fucking ouya has hdcp.

the membership fee is a big downer. my classic xbox cost me less than the fees for 3 years.

and no I don't really see what I'm getting for the money, I'm getting everything the membership gives for free on my pc connected to my tv. I don't need to pay MS extra for accessing netflix. I don't need to pay MS for hosting net games. I don't need to pay MS for playing multiplayer games online. I'm even using MS os on that pc connected to the tv!

you know what was the biggest bullshit about live gold? games like halo4. want to go online with a friend, splitscreen? well fuck you BOTH need to pay for live gold! FUCK 'EM.

Re:It's called a capture card... (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44515203)

First-world problems. QQ

Re:It's called a capture card... (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44515231)

there is no HDCP on the HDMI out on the xbone for gameplay.

http://www.xbox360achievements.org/news/news-15728-Xbox-One-s-Gameplay-Recording-Facility-Won-t-Use-HDCP.html

Uh... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44514533)

Not calling Microsoft a paragon of virtue here, but what are you recording offline anyway? PS4 is a great console, I might get one, but the xbox bashing is starting to feel a little over the top.

I have a picture of the end screen from Punch Out, thats about the last gaming achievement I felt compelled to capture.

Re:Uh... (1)

ackthpt (218170) | about a year ago | (#44514865)

Not calling Microsoft a paragon of virtue here, but what are you recording offline anyway? PS4 is a great console, I might get one, but the xbox bashing is starting to feel a little over the top.

1. Buy XBox One
2. Complain about greedy, capitalist oppressor extorting money from proletariat
3. ???
4. Profit!

Re:Uh... (1)

spire3661 (1038968) | about a year ago | (#44515235)

The machine is capable of happily recording video without having to be connected to the internet. Who cares what i do with the footage, why do i have to be connected online to use it?

Microsoft learn? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44515481)

From the Slashdot story: "Microsoft has seemingly not learned..."

Re:Uh... (1)

flimflammer (956759) | about a year ago | (#44515495)

Lets players. Regardless of your opinion of them, it's a pretty gigantic deal these days. Of course this is nothing that couldn't already be done with third party hardware, it will probably make the whole thing more accessible if the consoles themselves are handling the streaming.

Good luck with that (1)

Hatta (162192) | about a year ago | (#44514543)

HDCP is broken. How do they expect to prevent people from dumping the digital video stream?

Re:Good luck with that (1)

Desler (1608317) | about a year ago | (#44514593)

HDCP is broken for those willing to go to the effort to circumvent it. That is an extremely tiny amount of people.

Re:Good luck with that (4, Informative)

tlhIngan (30335) | about a year ago | (#44514671)

HDCP is broken for those willing to go to the effort to circumvent it. That is an extremely tiny amount of people.

Got a few hundred? This is all you need [hdfury.com] .

Or if the console supports component video out, problem solved.

The 360 didn't put HDCP on the HDMI. The PS3 did, so all the capture cards today tell you to use component in for the PS3.

Re:Good luck with that (4, Insightful)

alen (225700) | about a year ago | (#44514737)

why would i buy this compared to paying for 5 years of x box live?

some of you people are crazy. spend lots of money to bypass some feature that costs less than the workaround

Re:Good luck with that (1)

Desler (1608317) | about a year ago | (#44514797)

You wouldn't and neither would almost anyone else.

Re:Good luck with that (4, Interesting)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | about a year ago | (#44514899)

some of you people are crazy. spend lots of money to bypass some feature that costs less than the workaround

Lots of people will do things that are against their immediate economic interests to bring social pressures to bear on those who are behaving badly towards the community. It's called spite [freakonomics.com] .

Re:Good luck with that (1)

Desler (1608317) | about a year ago | (#44514915)

Yeah all 10 people are making Microsoft quake in their boots.

Re: Good luck with that (3, Insightful)

alen (225700) | about a year ago | (#44515171)

It's called upselling

Red hat and all the open source companies do it as well. And google

Re:Good luck with that (2)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about a year ago | (#44514973)

some of you people are crazy. spend lots of money to bypass some feature that costs less than the workaround

Yea, but they get to hand money over to a different corporation. So, you know, like, totally different, man.

Fight the power!

Re:Good luck with that (1)

Desler (1608317) | about a year ago | (#44514775)

Almost no one is going to spend a couple hundred dollars to crack HDCP. That's before you even get to the fact that almost no average consumer even knows about being able to bypass it or that HDCP exists. Which is my entire point.

Re:Good luck with that (3, Interesting)

citizenr (871508) | about a year ago | (#44514895)

there are $30 chinese hdmi splitters/switches that also strip hdcp, but dont advertise it

Re:Good luck with that (1)

spire3661 (1038968) | about a year ago | (#44515253)

umm you are very sadly misinformed. MY xbox360 would bitch about HDCP handshakes if i switched inputs on my TV while watching something.

Re:Good luck with that (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44514607)

DMCA + Lawyers

Re:Good luck with that (1)

Hsien-Ko (1090623) | about a year ago | (#44514667)

And how are they going to tell if footage is from the Xbone version? Most of the games are multi-platform, and if they go after footage of them, it's going to be a false-positive goose chase.

Re:Good luck with that (2)

suutar (1860506) | about a year ago | (#44514771)

I suspect this is not so much aimed at "hey, that video was recorded from an xbox" as "you can't use this xbox app that records and uploads your game footage without Gold", which is pretty much the same as they do for Netflix.

Of course they haven't learned (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44514555)

Let me tell you a story about a scorpion and a turtle who helps it cross a river ...

Re:Of course they haven't learned (1)

anethema (99553) | about a year ago | (#44514739)

It's a frog. Would be hard to sting a turtle's back.

Flip-flop (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44514569)

And I probably won't buy into either XBone or PS4 (_maybe_ until my PS3 60GB finally gives in and can't find any other PS3) because they might change their mind back to the beginning of their original secret plans as soon the market is flooded by devices.

Re:Flip-flop (1)

ackthpt (218170) | about a year ago | (#44514953)

And I probably won't buy into either XBone or PS4 (_maybe_ until my PS3 60GB finally gives in and can't find any other PS3) because they might change their mind back to the beginning of their original secret plans as soon the market is flooded by devices.

I stopped playing games years ago, but only bought two consoles, one of them used. The willingness to fork over money for New Locked-up gaming hardware and New games locked into one console have left me utterly fascinated. Not for a business model (which isn't particularly brilliant) but for the lemming-like procession of people queuing up to be shackled. Yeah, some of the games a pretty neat, but if people would stop buying this Console + Game = -$$$ line of math you'd find the games finally migrating all back to the desktop, laptop or tablet. I figured consoles would all be dead by now.

3 words (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44514573)

Black Magic Pro :p

Console not an arcade (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44514591)

This latest gen of consoles doesn't interest me. It seems what they're trying to do is get me to set up an arcade in my living room at my own expense then charge me (eventually per play). Get stuffed.

And people are still buying it (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44514605)

And folks will still buy. Cause if getting fsked up the ass by microsoft is what it takes to play Halo. Joe/Jane gamer is standing in line to bend over

Sony should hire the XBox PR dept (5, Funny)

Omicron32 (646469) | about a year ago | (#44514629)

Every time they open their mouths they make the PS4 look better.

Re:Sony should hire the XBox PR dept (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44514761)

slashdot is guilty of propaganda mongering - there is no point in having a console for offline only , everyone is going to pay the yearly fee for a myriad of other reasons anyways so who gives a shit, yes a gold account costs money you broke motherfuckers. get used to it. the only people who complain are the people who wouldn't buy one to begin with.

Re:Sony should hire the XBox PR dept (1)

Your.Master (1088569) | about a year ago | (#44514909)

I'm not paying for the gold account, if I get an Xbox One (probably, due to circumstances too boring to describe). Didn't get one for the Xbox 360 either. Apparently about half of 360 users have gold accounts, which implies about half are like me, and don't.

People had offline-only consoles for a long time before the Dreamcast was the first (?) to have an online mode, and pretty much failed. That market hasn't disappeared, even though some people have transferred allegiance to online-only play once it became viable.

Re:Sony should hire the XBox PR dept (1)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about a year ago | (#44515075)

People had offline-only consoles for a long time before the Dreamcast was the first (?) to have an online mode, and pretty much failed.

Point of Clarification: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XBAND [wikipedia.org]

Yea, it sucked pretty hard, too.

Re:Sony should hire the XBox PR dept (2)

spire3661 (1038968) | about a year ago | (#44515289)

"there is no point in having a console for offline only" Really dude?

Why cant i record on my Xbox offline and transfer the resultant file to a PC that can upload for FREE? It amazes me how people dismiss perfectly viable and non-burdensome ways of doing things because its not stupid dead simple.

Re:Sony should hire the XBox PR dept (1)

cpt kangarooski (3773) | about a year ago | (#44515365)

I have a 360 and it's offline only. I have no interest in online multiplayer games or anything else that a paid account offers. Coop split screen is okay, if the screen is big enough, but that's it.

Re:Sony should hire the XBox PR dept (0, Troll)

Mitreya (579078) | about a year ago | (#44514855)

Every time they open their mouths they make the PS4 look better.

Are you saying that they should improve the XBox or that they should just shut up for now?

PS4 will be just as bad, but users will find out only after they have bought the console.

Re:Sony should hire the XBox PR dept (1)

Horshu (2754893) | about a year ago | (#44514903)

"Hey, what happened to cloud-based backwards compatibility?"

YAAAWN (2)

Ignacio (1465) | about a year ago | (#44514641)

So what. Recording gameplay has always been easy enough for those who want to do it, and irrelevant for those that don't. The ability to record from the console itself is just another gimmick.

Re:YAAAWN (1)

elbonia (2452474) | about a year ago | (#44514727)

If it's such a gimmick then why charge for it? Why not just charge for services that actually provide value and make it more competitive against the PS4?

Re:YAAAWN (1)

Ignacio (1465) | about a year ago | (#44514753)

You give Microsoft too much credit.

Re:YAAAWN (1)

suutar (1860506) | about a year ago | (#44514807)

same reason they require you to have Gold to watch Netflix: They can. (actually, I have a completely unsubstantiated theory that their system is set up such that any network connection that leaves your household network gets run through their servers and so you need to have Gold so that their server will let it go out the other side, but that's just a wild guess)

Re:YAAAWN (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44514859)

I see where your going with your line of thinking.
Now let me explain mine.
Get people to pay for the DVR feature.
Make the ToS transfer ownership and copyright of all materials created with and their derivatives flow to MS.
Create advertising campaigns with said free content, sell advertising and data to 3rd party companies.
Make the consumer the product, content creator, and investor in a scheme where they will not be shared any profits.
Only thing that can go wrong is if they cant trick us into these key FEATURES.

Re:YAAAWN (1)

ZombieBraintrust (1685608) | about a year ago | (#44515403)

it may be a gimmick but it is a gimmick with value. Prices for a capture card range from 25$ to 150$ on Amazon.

Re:YAAAWN (2)

Ignacio (1465) | about a year ago | (#44515731)

it may be a gimmick but it is a gimmick with value. Prices for a capture card range from 25$ to 150$ on Amazon.

Only once.

non-issue (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44514647)

I don't think this fits into the same category as games locked to a single console once registered. How many people are recording and sharing their gameplay videos? Is that a big thing now? I'm not a gamer, maybe that is the new core tenant of gaming. Is Microsoft going to host the videos? If so, then restricting use to paying customers makes perfect sense. I'm sure they'll at least provide some kind of index service, right? I mean, the ability to email the videos to a known friend seems like a stupid feature. So I have to assume they're wrapping some sort of service around this, and so limiting it to the upper-tier service makes sense. I mean, it's not like they're going to charge to VIEW the fucking things.

Maybe I don't care because I'm not interested in the xbox. I probably would have bought one since I skipped the last generation (Well, I have a Wii) but now I'm actually leaning more towards a Playstation 4. I don't think it was the PR fiascos that did it though so much as the price.

Money. (2)

Str1der (524776) | about a year ago | (#44514653)

Microsoft has become excessively greedy, even for them.

Disgusting how passive people are... (2)

blahplusplus (757119) | about a year ago | (#44514677)

... the reason all this nonsense is happening is because the game industry has seen the sick money from World of warcraft and F2P's and they want in on the action. Nintendo shutting down video's of people playing games and commenting them on youtube. The vast gaming masses are dumb stupid, passive, tech illiterate sheep. Gaming is suffering because of market expansion (aka appealing to the lowest common denominator).

The worst part about it is the kids and adults who defend this crap.

Re:Disgusting how passive people are... (1)

oodaloop (1229816) | about a year ago | (#44515079)

And since this is clearly, judging by your hate-filled diatribe, the most important problem facing our nation today, I will support you 100%.

Re:Disgusting how passive people are... (2)

spire3661 (1038968) | about a year ago | (#44515313)

Games are art, and as such can be both banal or enlightening. Art is important to life too or we wouldnt spend some much time and effort on it.

Re:Disgusting how passive people are... (1, Insightful)

rtb61 (674572) | about a year ago | (#44515947)

It really is far more simple than that. New games have to compete for gamers time with old games. There are just so many old games out there that is really has slowed down the purchase of new games because a gamer when they have the time to sit down and play a game can just pick up one the ones they already own.

So in the greed obsessed fashion of the typical psychopath, modern gaming corporations are trying to come up with ways for charging gamers to pay to play for game they already own. Things like banning the second hand market. I really don't understand console buyers, you pay through the nose for every game you buy, in one year your typical console gamer could pay for a gaming PC in licence fee charges on games, why?

Nothing to see here (5, Insightful)

0x15e (961860) | about a year ago | (#44514681)

Is it really news that MS is requiring people to have a Gold account to use online features of an Xbox console? There's nothing going on here that wasn't already going on with the Xbox 360 ... except of course stirring up some more MS / Xbox One hate.

Re:Nothing to see here (4, Insightful)

sl3xd (111641) | about a year ago | (#44515159)

I'd mod you up if I could.

Xbox Live Gold is required for everything except downloading patches. It sounds like a fanboi who really knows nothing about the Xbox is proving his ignorance/making an ass of himeself.

There's nothing new here; the Xbox Live Gold has been a thing since the original Xbox.

Re:Nothing to see here (4, Funny)

OhANameWhatName (2688401) | about a year ago | (#44515853)

except of course stirring up some more MS / Xbox One hate

What site did you think you were on?

Misleading (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44514687)

The title of the article made it sound like recording video required a second subscription, but if you want to record videos of multiplayer games, you'll already have the Live Gold subscription anyway.

Not just recording gameplay (4, Informative)

Xian97 (714198) | about a year ago | (#44514691)

They are also putting OneGuide and Skype behind the Xbox Live Gold paywall. It looks like most of the new features they have added to Xbox One will require XBL Gold.The PS4 will let you record gameplay without a PS+ account.

The main difference I see in PS+ and Xbox Live Gold is that PS+ is per PS3/PS4 where Xbox Live Gold is per account. For those of us with families, that is a substantial difference. Both of my kids and myself would be able to play under the single PS+ account for $50, where for XBL Gold each of us would require our own account, bringing the total to $180.

Re:Not just recording gameplay (4, Informative)

suutar (1860506) | about a year ago | (#44514823)

If it helps, xbox live gold family gets you 4 people for $100, if I recall the number properly. Your point that xblg tends to cost more for families is still valid, though.

Re:Not just recording gameplay (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44515037)

They discontinued the Family Pack. Ours renewed without issue, but you can't get a new pack anymore. http://forums.xbox.com/xbox_forums/xbox_support/f/12/p/501186/2375701.aspx#2375701

Re:Not just recording gameplay (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44515285)

Also, "Child" accounts (any account that wasn't the single owner of the Family pack, even if adults) had additional restrictions on them. They couldn't, for instance, download NR game trailers or demos (that is to say, almost all trailers and demos) off the marketplace; the max you could set their allowed rating to was "M", and NR is considered to be higher than that.

Re:Not just recording gameplay (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44515049)

The main difference is that PS+ actually adds value, XBL Gold makes you pay for many services twice.

Re:Not just recording gameplay (1)

robmv (855035) | about a year ago | (#44515115)

False, PS+ is for all consoles the user has registered to PSN. There is a maximum of 2 PS3 and 2 Vitas (I don't remember if Vitas and PSP count in the same two). I have not read about how many PS4 will be allowed or if they will be grouped with the PS3 but Sony explicitly said that anyone can access the PS+ multiplayer on PS4 on those registered devices

Re:Not just recording gameplay (1)

Kypt (977978) | about a year ago | (#44515367)

The Vita can only have one PSN ID though. You can't switch and change the way the PS3 can unless you're willing to lose everything saved.

Re:Not just recording gameplay (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44515201)

xbox live subscriptions on the xbone are console based, not user based

all users on the console get to use the benefits of gold subscription.

There is no more family account because of this, no more need.

So one subscription will cover all users on that console.

Re:Not just recording gameplay (3, Informative)

spire3661 (1038968) | about a year ago | (#44515341)

If what you say was true, my wife wouldnt get kicked off Netflix on the Xbox because i logged into GTA IV with GFWL on my PC. When it matters, its per person.

Re:Not just recording gameplay (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44515507)

Your entire family can use your gold account on your home Xbox One. That's not even private, it says that all over the xbox.com.

So? (1)

Deathlizard (115856) | about a year ago | (#44514709)

Unless you like showing everyone how 1337 your Single Player gaming skills are, most likely you're going to have an Xbox Gold Account anyway.

As for the other things tied to Xbox live, if all you want to do is watch Netflix on your Xbox, your better off getting yourself a Google TV and sit on the $400 you saved by buying it, or even a Chromecast and use the $65 to buy some movies to stream.

Summary is Misleading (1)

AdamStarks (2634757) | about a year ago | (#44514729)

My understanding is that the PS4 uses HDCP encryption for everything, whereas the XB1 only uses it for playing movies. This means existing recording solutions should work fine for the XB1 (i.e. you don't need to pay Microsoft), whereas for recording PS4 footage requires the use of the PS4's own recording tools (along with any baked in limitations, like a 15 minute limit I've read about).

Not really sure of the practical implications of any of that, seeing as I don't myself record footage of games, but whatever :P

Why do you think they have two feet? (1)

korbulon (2792438) | about a year ago | (#44514935)

So they can shoot themselves in the foot twice.

Worked in this generation (1)

jratcliffe (208809) | about a year ago | (#44514963)

You've been able to do more without a paid subscription on the PS3 as well, and it hasn't seemed to have handicapped the Xbox's sales and market share.

So? (1)

neminem (561346) | about a year ago | (#44515059)

Want to record SNES gameplay? Too bad, that isn't a thing you can do. Not in the console hardware, anyway. Seems pretty clear that recording gameplay is an addon functionality to a game console, not part of the core functionality. It seems pretty reasonable that you might be asked to pay extra for extra functionality if you wanted it. (As opposed to "play the single-player games you already purchased without needing an internet connection", for instance, which seems like a far more core functionality.)

Of course, nothing stopped you from mounting a video recorder next to your tv to record SNES gameplay, and nothing would presumably be stopping you from doing the same thing now, either.

Re:So? (1)

spire3661 (1038968) | about a year ago | (#44515363)

Its not 'add-on' functionality for an x86 computer, which is what the Xbox one is. Hardware wise, it can do anything a PC with a decent vid card can do.

Microsoft? No MBASoft (4, Interesting)

EmperorOfCanada (1332175) | about a year ago | (#44515131)

It sounds like the spreadsheet wielding MBAs have completely taken over Microsoft. Spreadsheet thinking is an easy trap to fall into. You put up all your costs, and all your revenues and look at the bottom line. Then you start slipping in the occasional extra bit of revenue and suddenly the bottom line numbers start to grow like balloon. The key problem is that some numbers are hard factual numbers such as reducing the quality of the plastic will save you a fairly specific amount of money. But the problem is that a change of that nature may impact things like the reviews, return rates, breakage during shipping, etc. These numbers just come out of their ass and can end up being very optimistic. But you aren't looking at just one MBA with his spreadsheet but dozens all running their little fiefdoms and making their own adjustments.

I'm not saying they shouldn't make a profit but that they often don't match the weight of the pros and cons of each decision. For example. How hard do you have to push a faithful XBox 360 user to switch to the PS4 instead of buying the new XBox? Or like XP might many Xbox users stick with the 360 instead of going to XBox Vista? Then when they start trying to poison the 360 well the users might switch to the PS4. Even more complicated is that many people might be getting their gaming from their mobile devices. Would people abandon the console for a mobile device. These are all very hard questions to quantify and thus properly spreadsheet. So the MBAs argue that action X will annoy 1% of users while adding 10% to revenue. The 10% is probably close. The 1% is just a wacky guess.

Re:Microsoft? No MBASoft (3, Insightful)

OhANameWhatName (2688401) | about a year ago | (#44515895)

I like the point you're making, it's very true. Not every 'saving' is really a saving.

Would people abandon the console for a mobile device

But this is so much more true. The 'gaming console' era is nearing the end of it's teather. People are sick of the pump and dump shoot by wire FPS rubbish which has been churned out for the last 10 years. Couple this with mobile gaming devices that are powerful enough and full of fun (if not graphtastic) cheap games using effective intuitive controls along with simple effective PC gaming that moves SSSOOOOO much faster that and you've got the death of the loungeroom gaming device.

I don't think it's that the MS beancounters are necessarily killing the platform. But unfortunately, nobody is reviving the platform. There's little to encourage people to desire these expensive, inflexible and nonsensical devices in the face of so much change. The XBOX 1 market is essentially the XBOX 360 market, only smaller.

Until the beancounters face up to the need for massive change, aint nothing gonna keep this dead duck breathing.

One More Reason (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44515727)

Well they've been charging for access to gold so people can get on NetFlix... what do you expect. One more drop in the bucket of why I will never buy another Xbox.

Xbox Live (2)

SmaryJerry (2759091) | about a year ago | (#44515749)

I will never buy xbox live again because it was so impossible to cancel the last time.

Re:Xbox Live (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44516031)

Well since it was impossible to cancel... you must still have it... so of course you won't buy it again...
</pedant>

Re:Xbox Live (1)

Lectoid (891115) | about a year ago | (#44516067)

How's that? My subscription has lapsed a few times because I turned off auto-renew and forgot to pay. I usually try to find deals online instead of paying the $60 a year it currently is.

Sony (1)

puddingebola (2036796) | about a year ago | (#44515919)

Sony, of course, rushed to remind the public that their video streaming and video share feature will be free. Sony's strategy seems obvious, when Microsoft announces a restrictive (used games) or $$$ oriented policy, Sony gets a free PR bon-bon by reminding everyone about their new PS4. Can Microsoft really not see one move ahead on the chess board?

Xbox Infinity bill (0)

Animats (122034) | about a year ago | (#44515985)

Items we can expect to see on the next Xbox, the Xbox Infinity:

  • Monthly Microsoft Online service charge
  • Remote maintenance service charge
  • Remote game save storage charge
  • In-game item storage charge
  • Game leader board publication charge
  • Clan group maintenance charge (WoW)
  • Remote chat voice service charge
  • Remote chat E911 fee
  • Remote chat accessibility surcharge
  • Remote chat interstate access surcharge
  • Remote chat international access surcharge
  • Controller replacement protection charge
  • Broadcast video access charge
  • Basic cable access charge
  • Enhanced cable access charge, Tier 1
  • Enhanced cable access charge, Tier 2
  • ESPN access charge
  • Youtube access charge
  • Hulu access charge
  • Netflix access charge
  • Netflix peak period bandwidth surcharge
  • Commercial-skipping surcharge
  • WirePro inside wire maintenance charge
  • BSA software piracy cost recovery fee

They must really not want any customers (1)

TsuruchiBrian (2731979) | about a year ago | (#44516019)

Maybe the Xbox factory is just a front for drugs or something.

No pay if it's for the NSA (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44516085)

Streaming is a P2P function using the hardware built into the Xbone. It is a facility designed first and foremost for NSA spying, which customers of Microsoft will be pleased to hear, doesn't require an expensive Live account.

The Xbone can capture, compress, and encrypt a video stream at any time, with no impact on the gaming function of the console. Microsoft has ensured ALL spying functions (via the always connected, always functioning Kinect sensor array) have their own dedicated OS, CPU cores, hardware blocks, dedicated RAM and dedicated HDD storage space. The Kinect system is a computer within a computer, and cannot be compromised by anything else the Xbox One is doing.

Every online Xbone console appears on an NSA master list, and any of these consoles can be immediately instructed to move any of their Kinect data streams to an NSA server.

Every Xbone is ALWAYS monitoring the people in the room. Facial photos are constantly transmitted to NSA servers for face recognition, and cross-referencing against known lists of residents (and acquaintances of residents) expected at the same address as the console. It should be understood that the main function of the NSA is exploring ways to radically increase speculative intelligence gathering. Finding a 'use' for this data is NOT the concern of the NSA. Of course, data gathered by the NSA is used by many agencies- see the recent stories about data transfer between the NSA and DEA. One would have to be truly stupid to NOT comprehend the usefulness of data gathered by the Xbox One to the DEA.

What really blows the minds of NSA research scientists is the programmable nature of the Xbone. The Xbone is not a fixed spying device, but can be programmed to function in the most elaborate ways imaginable. While default data gathering from the console is amazing enough to the NSA, the ability to program 'trigger' conditions, or to use the motion recognition ability of the Kinect depth sensors, opens up avenues of pattern driven spying never before imagined.

It is impossible to have every online Kinect send major amounts of data to the NSA. So, the NSA desires to have the Xbone itself decide when something 'juicy' is happening in the room before it. Spy agencies have always had EXTREME interest in sexual behaviour. The Kinect, watching the motions (and hearing the sounds) of the people in front of its sensors, can make an excellent guess as to when sexual activity is occurring. At the very least, the NSA can decide if the likely participants may be of interest to them, and begin a proper video stream. However, the NSA personnel have shown themselves to be extremely voyeuristic, so it is clear that people will frequently be recorded simply for the perverted amusement of NSA staff themselves.

Microsoft charges users to stream their own video for two reasons. Because MS is miserly, and because by doing so, a psychological ploy plays out implying to the naive owner that the Kinect camera system is under user control.

PS all forums now have paid Microsoft shiils dribbling "conspiracy theory, conspiracy theory- only tinfoil hat cretins believe Man didn't land on the Moon, or Microsoft works hand in glove with the NSA". They, of course, always attach some nonsense (like the Moon landing) with the widely confirmed fact that Microsoft works with the NSA. So, I'll respond in kind. It is a FACT that the PS4 is vastly more powerful as a games console than the Xbone. One simply fact is that the PS4 has *TWICE* the ROP count of the Xbone, even though both use identical AMD GPU technology. ROPs are the hardware blocks that provide the finished pixels from the triangle rendering system. Half the ROPs essential means half the GPU power. Not something you'll notice on a casual game, but bump up the resolution, framerate and number of layers composited to provide the final image (ie., AAA gaming), and the more ROPs the better.

The Xbone has an average 128-bit class graphics card (while the Xbone is actually 256-bits, the memory is actually less than half the speed of memory on normal graphics cards). The PS4 has a fairly decent 256-bit class graphics card (essentially the next model up from the GPU in the Xbone). The Microsoft shills say "forget about the price difference, forget about the NSA spying and forget about the much lower graphics performance". Honestly, what kind of fool would volunteer to be a Microsoft customer?

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