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Larry Ellison Believes Apple Is Doomed

timothy posted about a year ago | from the in-the-long-run-we're-all-doomed dept.

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Nerval's Lobster writes "Oracle CEO Larry Ellison thinks that Apple will collapse without Steve Jobs at the helm. In a televised interview with CBS News, scheduled to air August 13, Ellison called the deceased Jobs 'brilliant' and compared him to iconic creators such as Thomas Edison and Pablo Picasso. When asked about Apple's future now that Jobs is dead, Ellison didn't hold back: 'We already know, we saw — we conducted the experiment, it's been done.' Raising his hand above his head, presumably to indicate the rise of Apple's fortunes during Jobs' initial reign, Ellison said: 'We saw Apple with Steve Jobs.' Then he lowered his hand: "We saw Apple without Steve Jobs." In other words, the period following Jobs' ouster, when the company's revenues declined and it launched whole portfolios of consumer products that failed. 'We saw Apple with Steve Jobs,' Ellison continued, raising his hand above his head again — this time, to suggest that incandescent period following Jobs' return to the company, when it released the iPod, iPhone, iPad, and a variety of bestselling PCs. 'And now, we're going to see Apple without Steve Jobs,' he finished, and his hand fell."

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CEO badmouths competitor & tries to demoralize (5, Funny)

iggymanz (596061) | about a year ago | (#44553757)

later, a bear eats fish and takes a dump in the woods. Story at 10

Re:CEO badmouths competitor & tries to demoral (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44553787)

Wait, how is Apple a competitor to Oracle?

Re:CEO badmouths competitor & tries to demoral (1, Funny)

cod3r_ (2031620) | about a year ago | (#44553887)

Apple hates java maybe?

Re:CEO badmouths competitor & tries to demoral (5, Funny)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | about a year ago | (#44553907)

Apple hates java maybe?

Apple can get in line behind the rest of us.

Re:CEO badmouths competitor & tries to demoral (5, Funny)

mrclisdue (1321513) | about a year ago | (#44554203)

Apple stands behind no one. It would cast a shadow on the shiny.

Re:CEO badmouths competitor & tries to demoral (4, Funny)

jaymz666 (34050) | about a year ago | (#44553923)

Oracle hates java...

Re:CEO badmouths competitor & tries to demoral (1)

poetmatt (793785) | about a year ago | (#44553941)

Wha?

Apple loves Oracle, they even work with them (and MS) to try to crush google.

so umm, no.

Re:CEO badmouths competitor & tries to demoral (0)

Jerslan (1088525) | about a year ago | (#44554175)

How does hating Java lead to hating Oracle?

Re:CEO badmouths competitor & tries to demoral (1)

ackthpt (218170) | about a year ago | (#44554151)

Wait, how is Apple a competitor to Oracle?

Steve Jobs and Larry Ellison both liked boats, big stinkin' boats.

Re:CEO badmouths competitor & tries to demoral (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44553821)

In all fairness, I think this counts as a Steve Jobbo bowel movement article, and /. is required to have at least one per day; so give 'em a break.

Oracle is not a competitor. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44553851)

I can't think of any Oracle product that competes with Apple.

Re: Oracle is not a competitor. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44553911)

I beat you: I can't think of any Oracle product.

Re: Oracle is not a competitor. (4, Insightful)

Ralph Wiggam (22354) | about a year ago | (#44554061)

Clearly you don't work with databases. They are the 900 pound gorilla of that market.

Re:CEO badmouths competitor & tries to demoral (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44553879)

So why hasn't Microsoft collapsed? (and for people saying it has....yeh uhm ok).

Re:CEO badmouths competitor & tries to demoral (4, Interesting)

ackthpt (218170) | about a year ago | (#44554139)

So why hasn't Microsoft collapsed? (and for people saying it has....yeh uhm ok).

Microsoft aren't ever going to be the company that rolled out Windows XP and was threatened with anti-trust around the world ever again. Someone else, perhaps Google will end up in that boat, but Microsoft have their own future to sort out now that they are a follower, again.

Re:CEO badmouths competitor & tries to demoral (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44554143)

Nothing was mentioned about Bill Gates being as key to the structure and operation of Microsoft as Steve Jobs seemed to be in Apple. Just because they are both prominent founders of similar companies does not mean, in any way, that the occupy the same role or function in each company, both having completely different cultures and structures.

Re:CEO badmouths competitor & tries to demoral (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44553935)

If only a bear would eat Ellison, but unfortunately bears have too good a taste to eat sacks of shit.

CEOs are overrated (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44553777)

When Jobs was ousted they went from a $1 billion a year revenue company to a $10 billion a year company a few years later. It was Sculley's ouster that doomed Apple ;)

Re:CEOs are overrated (4, Funny)

TWiTfan (2887093) | about a year ago | (#44553957)

Hush, you fool! The hipsters might hear you!

Re:CEOs are overrated (5, Interesting)

Guspaz (556486) | about a year ago | (#44554083)

Sculley, who bet the farm on the Newton, which bombed? Sculley, who fractured the Mac lineup into a large number of similar and confusing models? Sculley, who had Apple branch out into every random consumer electronic category he could think of, including digital cameras, videogame consoles, CD players, speakers, television STBs, and even television/computer hybrids, every single one of which flopped?

Things didn't necessarily get much better after he was fired, but his lack of vision and direction are part of the reason that Apple was 90 days from bankruptcy when Jobs took over and got the investment from Microsoft.

Say what you will about Jobs, he was very good at simplifying the product lineup and focusing on a vision. Still, I think that Apple ousting Steve jobs was the best thing that ever happened to both Jobs and Apple. For Jobs, particularly, the experience of the NeXT disaster was extremely educational.

He's right - Android is eating iOS's lunch (5, Interesting)

xxxJonBoyxxx (565205) | about a year ago | (#44553789)

He's right - Android is eating iOS's lunch. I can see it in my own family. My oldest boy remembers when having an Apple product was cool. My next son could care less - he picked up his first tablet for under $100 and hasn't thought about Apple since. My elementary-age daughter calls her tablet an "iPad", but it too is an Android device. All my family's phones are now Android phones. If I was ever going to buy another laptop, it would be a Chrome book. Etc, etc, etc.

Re:He's right - Android is eating iOS's lunch (5, Interesting)

MightyMartian (840721) | about a year ago | (#44553895)

I like my iPhone well enough, but I find the way it stores data, sandboxed into each app, absolutely painful, and having to use that hideous iTunes app is an even greater agony. I love my Nexus 7. I have Dropbox, Google Docs or a USB cable and can move files back and forth with ease. So while there are aspects of iOS I like (I like the calendar/scheduling app in iOS, just feels more complete), when I give my old iPhone to my kid, I'm looking at getting an unlocked Android phone.

Re:He's right - Android is eating iOS's lunch (4, Insightful)

MightyYar (622222) | about a year ago | (#44554013)

I'm the opposite... almost every time I have to open "ES Explorer", I die a little inside. I'm too cheap to buy an iPhone, though. I bought two on eBay just to use for a while, but currently I have a cheap Android. Both OSes have their strengths - I'd say that iOS is a bit more pain-free and Android is more fun to geek out with. My kids use my old iPhones as iPods, and we have a Kindle tablet - the iPad Mini was not out at the time and the full-sized iPad is way to rich for my blood.

Re:He's right - Android is eating iOS's lunch (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44553931)

Wow, you guys sure have a lot of useless shit

Re:He's right - Android is eating iOS's lunch (4, Insightful)

xxxJonBoyxxx (565205) | about a year ago | (#44553983)

OK, I'll bite. Without using brand names, please tell me what you can do (e.g., use cases) with an iOS device that you can't do with an Android device of equal or lessor price?

Re:He's right - Android is eating iOS's lunch (4, Funny)

lactose99 (71132) | about a year ago | (#44554079)

Sync directly with the bloatware and usability mess that is iTunes?

(note that some consider this a significant benefit)

Re:He's right - Android is eating iOS's lunch (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44554163)

Not have to fund an advertising company that jumped the shark years ago?

Re:He's right - Android is eating iOS's lunch (5, Insightful)

timeOday (582209) | about a year ago | (#44553945)

Apple's success now is not based on the iMac or iPod still being cool. If they are successful in the future, it will not be based on the iPhone or iPad still being cool. It would have to be "something else." Figuring out what that would be is the hard part.

Re:He's right - Android is eating iOS's lunch (1)

TWiTfan (2887093) | about a year ago | (#44553977)

It used to be about the MUSIC, man!

Re:He's right - Android is eating iOS's lunch (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44553979)

Your story reminds me of when I grew up in the 80s and my brothers and I all used Macs, and that meant Macs were really cool and popular.

Re:He's right - Android is eating iOS's lunch (1)

xxxJonBoyxxx (565205) | about a year ago | (#44554081)

OK, so that was an anecdote, which I admit is unusual for me.

Here's a story published this week about how Android is growing three times faster than iOS if you prefer statistics instead:
http://thediplomat.com/tech-biz/2013/08/08/apples-shrinking-market-share-android-broadens-mobile-device-lead/ [thediplomat.com]

Re:He's right - Android is eating iOS's lunch (1)

Ralph Wiggam (22354) | about a year ago | (#44554003)

That trend started while Jobs was still alive. But I don't know how involved Jobs was the last couple years of his life. For stock price reasons, he had to say that he was fine and it was business as usual. But he looked really sick.

Re:He's right - Android is eating iOS's lunch (1)

Vlad_the_Inhaler (32958) | about a year ago | (#44554019)

I dislike the guy but things have been going that way for a while now. Apple under Jobs were innovative patent trolls, Apple without Jobs are no longer innovative.
All the same, assessing the company on what your kids think is of limited value. Android products are usually more 'affordable' and are being aimed at older (30-something) kids with money to burn.

Re:He's right - Android is eating iOS's lunch (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44554051)

Have fun with the malware, crashing, FBI listening to you, etc......

Yeah, Larry Ellison's advice ... (2, Interesting)

psergiu (67614) | about a year ago | (#44553793)

Yeah, Larry Ellison's advice ...

Bringing you such commercial successes as The Network Computer.

Re:Yeah, Larry Ellison's advice ... (2)

melonman (608440) | about a year ago | (#44553857)

Exactly. (For younger readers, Ellison was all over the media 20 years ago announcing that Network Computers would be the nemesis of Microsoft in the very near future. I don't think waiting for the Chromebook was part of the game plan at the time.)

Re:Yeah, Larry Ellison's advice ... (1)

taiwanjohn (103839) | about a year ago | (#44554187)

All true, but in this case Ellison may have stumbled upon the truth. If there's anyone at Apple with Jobs's level of creativity and tyranny, we haven't heard about him/her yet. At the moment, the current "iteration" of Jobs seems to be Elon Musk, and he doesn't work for Apple.

I'm sure that Apple, the company, will continue to exist for many years. (After all, AOL still exists.) But the competition is catching up, and Apple is about due for the Next Big Thing[tm].

Re:Yeah, Larry Ellison's advice ... (2)

sunderland56 (621843) | about a year ago | (#44554173)

I wonder what Larry Ellison thinks will happen to Oracle when he steps down?

His probable opinion: Oracle will tank without his brilliant leadership.

Most likely actual outcome: Oracle shares will skyrocket once the company is rid of his ego.

A watch? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44553799)

Apple is reportedly working hard on a portfolio of new products, including a much-rumored timepiece, but the actual release dates of that hardware and software are an open question. Until then, expect the doomsayers to continue their morbid chatter.

A timepiece? Like a watch?

That'd have to be some really great fucking watch.

Re:A watch? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44554071)

No, it doesn't. Those would have to be really retarded fan-bois. And they are.

I really hate when Ellison is right (1)

intermodal (534361) | about a year ago | (#44553801)

but even moreso, I hate to see all that innovation being justifiably attributed to one man. Steve Jobs wasn't the idea man. Steve Jobs was the man who let the ideas happen. The results came from having people who could innovate being bolstered by someone who could actually see it through to market from a corporate and marketing level.

It's like a guitarist who tries to sound like Brian May or a singer who wants to sound like Freddie Mercury. They might get all the notes right, but it will never be the same. I share Larry's doubts as to whether the company can survive without it.

Re:I really hate when Ellison is right (3, Informative)

TWiTfan (2887093) | about a year ago | (#44554021)

Nonsense, Steve had a lot of ideas. Screwing over his friends for money, parking in handicapped spaces because he was rich, ending Apple's charitable giving programs--all Steve ideas!

Re:I really hate when Ellison is right (3, Insightful)

sycodon (149926) | about a year ago | (#44554087)

He was also the reality check for the ideas.

Just look at how iTunes has spun out of control since his death. The versions released since then are disasters, with common tasks now obscured or seemingly not available anymore.

Steve would have torn the whole team new assholes and then fired them for the POS that is iTunes today.

When the marketing weenies take charge, the company is doomed. All they know is a stupid check list of what's supposed to be cool and competitor's features.

Re:I really hate when Ellison is right (1)

intermodal (534361) | about a year ago | (#44554153)

I'll be fair and preface this by saying I've never liked iTunes. However, I think what it is now is far, far worse than it ever was under Jobs.

Re:I really hate when Ellison is right (1)

cellocgw (617879) | about a year ago | (#44554221)

It's like a guitarist who tries to sound like Brian May or a singer who wants to sound like Freddie Mercury. They might get all the notes right, but it will never be the same. I share Larry's doubts as to whether the company can survive without it.

Awww, c'mon now. You can buy a carbon-copy Deacy Amp online easily enough. Then all you need is the PhD in AstroPhysics.

Actually I wouldn't be surprised. (5, Interesting)

ZorinLynx (31751) | about a year ago | (#44553805)

It feels like Apple has lost direction since Jobs passed. For example, look at iOS 7: It's a mishmash of awkward design language, with inconsistencies and a flat, boring look that likely never would have been approved by Steve. All that lovely texture that iOS had is gone. People are already complaining about it and I'm sure there will be an even bigger uproar once it goes public. They took inspiration from MICROSOFT for crying out loud!

Look at the rumored (but very likely) "low cost iPhone". It's made of cheap plastic, which Apple had been trying to get away from for years with Jobs at the helm. Steve would have likely insisted that they find a way to build the iPhone out of its current materials but less expensively, and I'm sure the engineers would have lived up to the challenge.

He was a perfectionist, and while I didn't agree with all his decisions, his absolute refusal to compromise and insist that everything be exactly right is what led to Apple becoming what it is. I already see things going downhill and it's not going to be pretty moving forward.

Re:Actually I wouldn't be surprised. (3, Insightful)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | about a year ago | (#44554001)

For example, look at iOS 7: It's a mishmash of awkward design language, with inconsistencies and a flat, boring look that likely never would have been approved by Steve. All that lovely texture that iOS had is gone. People are already complaining about it and I'm sure there will be an even bigger uproar once it goes public.

People complaining loudly about how Apple's next version of iOS or OS X is going to suck is not exactly a new thing. I've been a Mac user since 2003, and I have been watching this theater since... 2003.

Re:Actually I wouldn't be surprised. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44554101)

Ugh I still remember OS X 10.1.1 and 10.1.2 and how they would crash literally all the freaking time.

Re:Actually I wouldn't be surprised. (5, Interesting)

Karlt1 (231423) | about a year ago | (#44554007)

Look at the rumored (but very likely) "low cost iPhone". It's made of cheap plastic, which Apple had been trying to get away from for years with Jobs at the helm. Steve would have likely insisted that they find a way to build the iPhone out of its current materials but less expensively, and I'm sure the engineers would have lived up to the challenge.

You're right if only the guy who led the design of the iPhone and the logistics guy who made sure the components were well sourced hadn't left Apple when SJ died.,,,,

Oh wait, the design guy is a VP and the logistics guy is the CEO, never mind.

Re:Actually I wouldn't be surprised. (2)

pr0nbot (313417) | about a year ago | (#44554033)

I've generally loved Apple's hardware design, but I've never been convinced they had beautiful, consistent UIs since the transition to OS X. For example, they went brushed metal for iTunes, for no apparent reason. This started long before Jobs croaked.

Re:Actually I wouldn't be surprised. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44554099)

Not really. Apple is stagnant. What they sell is PCs running OSX, phones (one form factor), and tablets, and they make a shit load of cash from their store.

iphone += 1, likewise with the ipad, isn't exciting after a few incarnations. They're now copying smart TVs and computer based watches, but don't have any products to show people. So what are consumers (not fans that buy the next thing regardless) supposed to get excited about?

Re:Actually I wouldn't be surprised. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44554119)

For example, look at iOS 7... People are already complaining about it...

People are going to complain about anything different. People are resistant to change. People complained when Apple switch to OSX. I challenge you to find any regular Mac user who would want to switch back. I assure you, you won't be able to. People are just resistant to change.

They took inspiration from MICROSOFT for crying out loud!

Good gawd, no they didn't. Have you even LOOKED at a screenshot of iOS 7? Please point out where there's so much as a hint of inspiration from Microsoft there.

Look at the rumored (but very likely) "low cost iPhone". It's made of cheap plastic...

You mean like the high end Samsung Galaxy S4, which is also made of a plastic body?

Larry on the NSA Spying (5, Insightful)

chill (34294) | about a year ago | (#44553811)

More to the point, Larry thinks the NSA program of collecting everything is "excellent" and "necessary".

Larry also is whining about Google adhering to the Sun Java license as it was written and intended. Larry would prefer they send him large amounts of money instead.

Larry can go to his private Hawaiian island fuck himself.

Re:Larry on the NSA Spying (1)

Vlad_the_Inhaler (32958) | about a year ago | (#44554109)

Just because he is an obnoxious (fit your adjective in here) does not mean he is wrong on this. As to your "More to the point", you are trying to obfusticate the message by vilifying the (insert same adjective here).

Re:Larry on the NSA Spying (1)

blue trane (110704) | about a year ago | (#44554227)

I think you mean noun, not adjective

revisionists (1)

bloodhawk (813939) | about a year ago | (#44553819)

History revisionists love to gloss over all the Apple disaster products jobs also presided over. Jobs provided drive and some great marketing, he didn't design the products or come up with the technical brilliance to create them. Apple may indeed lack leadership without him but he is far from irreplaceable.

Of course he does (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44553833)

Is it a surprise that *Larry Ellison* thinks an enormous corporation is soley dependent on the single megalomaniac at the helm? Apple suceeding without Steve Jobs would destroy his entire worldview.

Doesn't take a prophet to see it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44553835)

Even the Apple board is bemoaning the lack of innovation. Personally I'm looking forward to the company that brought us the walled garden and the app shop exiting the stage.

Jobs "brilliant"!? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44553837)

Brilliant as a salesman, yes. As a tweaker, and idea thief, yes,
As an inventor - "like Edison", an innovator?? HECK NO!!!
Jobs invented NOTHING, as far as technology.

Re:Jobs "brilliant"!? (4, Insightful)

TWiTfan (2887093) | about a year ago | (#44554047)

Well, he invented the fictional Steve Jobs that hipsters thought was cool.

Re:Jobs "brilliant"!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44554213)

Check out The Oatmeal for an alternate view on Edison: http://theoatmeal.com/comics/tesla [theoatmeal.com]

Paraphrase (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44553839)

Ellison: Apple needed an assh0le in charge just like Oracle needs this assh0le in charge.

What did Jobs create again? (1)

blue trane (110704) | about a year ago | (#44553855)

Besides a lot of tension and drama?

Edison = Jobs (5, Informative)

Major Ralph (2711189) | about a year ago | (#44553865)

Edison was a dick who took credit for work that his underlings did. Jobs is of the same cut.

Re:Edison = Jobs (0)

iggymanz (596061) | about a year ago | (#44554085)

bullshit, he was the designer instructed machinists and engineers what to do. that's like saying the illegals working an assembly line invented the scientific instruments the factory makes

Re:Edison = Jobs (1)

Capt James McCarthy (860294) | about a year ago | (#44554171)

Edison was a dick who took credit for work that his underlings did. Jobs is of the same cut.

Is that you Mr. President?

you forgot Topsy (1)

Thud457 (234763) | about a year ago | (#44554179)

At least Jobs electrocuted fewer animals to death.
Other than that, the comparison fits.

Re:Edison = Jobs (1)

wiredlogic (135348) | about a year ago | (#44554193)

Jobs was a narcisistic asshole no doubt but he did have a knack for knowing what will sell without having to imitate.

Re:Edison = Jobs (1)

invid (163714) | about a year ago | (#44554223)

Edison saved us from the Martians! [wikipedia.org]

Screw that (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44553869)

Steve Jobs was never an Edison or a Picasso he was just a scruffy dirty bum who knew some stuff about computers to be hired at Atari in the early 70's and then later become even more of an asshole at Apple that most people didn't dare not be the "Yes man" or "Yes Woman" to incur his wrath. Jobs fired people on the spot along with screaming and Balmer at Microsoft just throws chairs while yelling DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS over and over again like some crazy chant!

Business 101 (1)

DogDude (805747) | about a year ago | (#44553871)

That's Business 101: The company, large or small, that is dependent on a single person will usually fail when that person leaves. Whether or not Jobs built a company that will survive without him will be evident with time.

The key difference (5, Informative)

CharlyFoxtrot (1607527) | about a year ago | (#44553875)

The main difference between Apple without Jobs the first time 'round and now is that The Apple Jobs left the first time wasn't shaped by him but by the people who ousted him. This Apple however has Jobs stamp all over it, it has the people he picked, he trusted and he trained. If you think Jobs was a genius, which Ellison does, then that has to count for something.

Not a compelling argument (3, Funny)

kruach aum (1934852) | about a year ago | (#44553881)

it sounds kind of hand wave-y to me.

"...he finished, and his hand fell." (3, Funny)

skaralic (676433) | about a year ago | (#44553883)

At Tanagra.
Wow, that is as dramatic of a story summary as I have ever seen on Slashdot. Made me tingle all over...

Re:"...he finished, and his hand fell." (1)

BrianSoCal (1519721) | about a year ago | (#44553985)

Mod this up for the Star Trek reference - LOL!

Re: "...he finished, and his hand fell." (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44554189)

... Oracle without Ellison (raises hand as high as possible, points to sky), but Oracle with Ellison (farts).

A shocking statement (4, Insightful)

digitalderbs (718388) | about a year ago | (#44553891)

No one would argue that Steve Jobs made important contributions to modern computing. However, it's hardly surprising that a CEO, such as Ellison, would have an inflated perception of the importance of one individual (i.e. the CEO) to the success of a company. If he didn't believe that, then it would be hard to justify the millions he pays himself every year.

Re:A shocking statement (1)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | about a year ago | (#44554115)

Nobody says, "One Rich ANGEL Called Larry Ellison".

Larry Ellison - World's biggest d-bag (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44553901)

I wonder if Larry cares about his legacy. Gates is going to be known as a philanthropist. Jobs a tech leader and innovator. Everyone is going to remember Ellison as a rich douche that raced yachts. For a little while at least. Then they'll forget him.

ya gotta love a guy... (1)

quonsar (61695) | about a year ago | (#44553913)

...who can clearly explain such complex issue.

Jobs' most important legacy (1)

sootman (158191) | about a year ago | (#44553919)

He showed that people WILL pay for well-designed, well-made things, even at a premium. Now that he has shown it can be done, it should be pretty easy for Apple to continue down that path. Think about it: there was nothing revolutionary about any of their recent hits: the iMac, the iPod, the iPhone, the iPad. They were just extremely well-made examples of each respective line. Some innovations were added, sure, but the main thing is Apple actually GAVE A SHIT about how well they worked for the user. All the innovations they added were in pursuit of making things BETTER, not just "more".

Re:Jobs' most important legacy (1)

blackest_k (761565) | about a year ago | (#44554155)

So how does the iPad mini fit into this?
Think your right Apple didn't go for making a crappier but cheaper iPhone for example even though it is technically possible, it generally seems to have been policy to only make better products, not cheaper ones

No company lasts forever (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44553927)

And since the last I checked their was no such thing a Silicon Valley Heaven, at least not for companies, I guess they are all going to Silicon Valley Hell.

The question for Apple is this: Will this happen before or concurrent with the end of human civilization?

The Myth of the Irreplaceable CEO (4, Insightful)

MarkvW (1037596) | about a year ago | (#44553943)

CEO's get paid obscene amounts of money. It's reasonable to expect them to justify such a lavish outlay by telling the public how "unique," "indispensable," and "valuable they are.
News at 11.

Re:The Myth of the Irreplaceable CEO (1)

gnasher719 (869701) | about a year ago | (#44554009)

CEO's get paid obscene amounts of money. It's reasonable to expect them to justify such a lavish outlay by telling the public how "unique," "indispensable," and "valuable they are. News at 11.

Jobs got one dollar per year. He said "50 cent for showing up, and 50 cent for doing a good job".

Shameless hubris and crocodile tears (1)

Bearhouse (1034238) | about a year ago | (#44553967)

For sure Dirty Larry would have fired Jobs even faster than Scully did.
Having said that, the road ahead for Apple looks rocky, with strong competition in the phone and tablet markets.
But they have plenty of cash, and smart people. Let's see what they will come up with next.
Hopefully it will be more innovative than just another screen size...

Computers last longer now, iPhones last longer (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44553987)

It isn't that I don't appreciate the new technology, but after I bought a MacBook Pro in 2010, I haven't needed to buy another one since. And I always figured that it would have a 10 year lifespan. That isn't good for Apple, unless they are getting more new users.

The iPhone 4S was my first iPhone, and it could last another 5 years just fine for what I need it for.

But, I know that Steve Jobs was one of a kind, and it is very hard to replace him.

So, put Jobs body ... (1)

PPH (736903) | about a year ago | (#44554005)

... on a horse [wikipedia.org] in front of the troops.

Come on Larry. (1)

Holi (250190) | about a year ago | (#44554017)

Larry when you learn not to cheat in the AC45 class maybe just maybe will listen to you.

Oracle Admits to cheating [tvnz.co.nz]

Edison v. Jobs (1)

dreamstateseven (2742929) | about a year ago | (#44554027)

Thomas Edison wasn't a creator as much as was a repackager of other people's ideas and whose litigious nature stalled progress in any number of areas. So I suppose Ellison's comparison of him to Steve Jobs is incredibly apropos.

Yes, because comparisons with 1993 are so relevant (2)

sandbagger (654585) | about a year ago | (#44554073)

Apple, and the computing industry, was different in 1993. Apple wasn't making smartphones and iPods; Microsoft could kill small companies merely by issuing a press release implying that the features being developed by these small companies would be included in a new version of Windows NT ... 'soon'; Google didn't exist, on-line digital media didn't exist apart from binary groups on a certain use-able net that we're not allowed to mention.

Time for this fellow to update his examples.

Not sure that's guaranteed... (2)

ErichTheRed (39327) | about a year ago | (#44554113)

One of the issues with all the "media marketplaces" like iTunes, Google Play and yes, the MS Store, is that they're not going to disappear anytime soon. I'm not sure how many people are going to abandon an entire app platform once they've sunk a lot of money into it. Before the smartphone era, changing phone carriers meant that you would have to rebuy a few ringtones and other carrier specific stuff, but an Apple to Android or reverse switch means you have to rebuy a lot more. I've specifically avoided buying tons and tons of apps on any platform for that simple reason...it becomes much more expensive to switch later on. So even if the music is sort of DRM-free, either inertia or a very large collection of purchased software is going to keep a lot of people on one platform or another for a while. Since Apple charges premiums for new hardware to access this stuff, they're in good shape for a while.

With the new online store model, the store owner is guaranteed a very good chance of long term survival even if their market share drops over time. Microsoft and Adobe are taking it one step further and introducing stuff like Office 365 and Creative Cloud. Previously only large businesses signed month-to-month rental agreements with software companies, and now consumers are being dragged in as well. Guaranteed revenue stream vs. one-time perpetual license.

Yeah, and *BSD is dying. (1)

eggstasy (458692) | about a year ago | (#44554131)

Netcraft confirmed. Also, 2014 will be the year of Linux on the desktop.

It's true (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44554133)

Apple, after Jobs: An Android-esque "me-too" UI. A complete lack of buzz for the new iPhone. An absurd trashcan PowerMac.

Most telling, rumours of a stripped down "budget" iPhone.. Kiss Apple's luxury image and hipster status goodbye when that happens (it will). A great many people love their iPhones because it makes them feel "cool" and "upscale". When those dirty poors start carrying the same device around? Forget it.

New devices? An iWatch? Really?

Sounds legit... (3, Insightful)

gestalt_n_pepper (991155) | about a year ago | (#44554167)

Because Ellison is so credible.

Yea.... (2)

jameshofo (1454841) | about a year ago | (#44554177)

Because publicly traded companies breed and promote people who stay within the box, and apply the model that the investors, accountants, and whoever else are OK with. Bureaucracy and politics are self perpetuating cycles that assimilate good ideas to meet their wold view.

Nobody believes Larry Ellison (5, Insightful)

sl4shd0rk (755837) | about a year ago | (#44554199)

"...wealth isn't the same thing as intelligence." -Larry Ellison

I don't "do" Apple but hearing Larry Ellison postulate about the future is laughable. The guy got all his money through vendor lock-in and insane licensing models. If he was that bright, he'd be more innovative.

Does Nick Kolakowski have a bone to pick? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44554219)

In other words, the period following Jobs' ouster, when the company's revenues declined and it launched whole portfolios of consumer products that failed.

This troll is employed by Slashdot?

hands up, hands down, who cares (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44554229)

why is this summary so f-ing long ? summarize. i dont care what his hands were doing during the interview.
also again we hear from Nerval's Lobster. Who does he blow to get on the front page so much ?

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