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US, Germany To Enter No-Spying Agreement

Soulskill posted about a year ago | from the solving-nonexistent-problems dept.

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itwbennett writes "The German Federal Intelligence Service said in a news release that the U.S. has verbally committed to enter into a no-spying agreement with Germany. The no-spying agreement talks were announced as part of a progress report on an eight-point program proposed by German Chancellor Angela Merkel in July with measures to better protect the privacy of German citizens. In the progress report, the German government found that U.S. intelligence services comply with German law. Also, the operators of large German Internet exchanges and the federal government did not find any evidence that the U.S. spies on Germans, the government said."

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209 comments

yeah, right (4, Insightful)

Black Parrot (19622) | about a year ago | (#44568737)

and no one will ever cheat.

Re:yeah, right (2)

jonyen (2633919) | about a year ago | (#44568771)

"Verbal commitment." Yep, that's definitely not going to work.

Re:yeah, right (4, Insightful)

dkleinsc (563838) | about a year ago | (#44568857)

In other words, a verbal commitment is worth the paper it's written on.

Re:yeah, right (2)

Capt.Albatross (1301561) | about a year ago | (#44569425)

In other words, a verbal commitment is worth the paper it's written on.

It is every bit as good as a written constitution.

Re:yeah, right (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44569573)

How so? In a verbal agreement, there is no record of what was said. If there is a conflict, it is one person's word against another's. A written constitution at least provides something that you can point at and say "yes, you did agree to that" (even if the other party is powerful enough to say "well fuck you, I don't care").

Re:yeah, right (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44569903)

How so? In a verbal agreement, there is no record of what was said. If there is a conflict, it is one person's word against another's. A written constitution at least provides something that you can point at and say "yes, you did agree to that" (even if the other party is powerful enough to say "well fuck you, I don't care").

It's every bit as good as a written Constitution with "United States" in the title.

Re:yeah, right (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44570177)

It's every bit as good as a written Constitution with "United States" in the title.

Again I ask, how so? In a verbal agreement, there is no record of what was said. If there is a conflict, it is one person's word against another's. A written constitution at least provides something that you can point at and say "yes, you did agree to that" (even if the other party is powerful enough to say "well fuck you, I don't care").

Just because the end result is the same, doesn't make them equal.

Re:yeah, right (5, Funny)

Opportunist (166417) | about a year ago | (#44569991)

Hey, the last time someone made an oral commitment in the oval office it almost lead to impeachment. We can only hope.

Re:yeah, right (4, Funny)

Trikenstein (571493) | about a year ago | (#44569119)

They pinky swore that's like totally, totally binding you get warts if you break a pinky swear

Re: yeah, right (1, Troll)

Travis Repine (2861521) | about a year ago | (#44569533)

But its totally binding in Russia right? I mean Germany has NOTHING to hide when it comes to security. Yep, we're better off with Russia even though they piss us off over and over again. They're more direct and not as passive aggressive as the German government is..

Re:yeah, right (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44569621)

you get warts if you break a pinky swear

Lies. You won't get warts. What you will get, however, is a deranged pink horse coming after you.

Re:yeah, right (2)

Trikenstein (571493) | about a year ago | (#44570097)

uh, no
You have to have the deranged pink horse sleep on your warts to get rid of them

And deranged pink horses are extremely Flatulent

Re:yeah, right (1)

msauve (701917) | about a year ago | (#44569429)

Oh, it may work. But you have to understand the scope. The US government won't spy on the German government, and vice versa. Citizens will, of course, be fair game.

Re:yeah, right (0, Flamebait)

erroneus (253617) | about a year ago | (#44568873)

Not hard to imagine setting up a spying agreement with some 3rd world nation where the US spends a lot of money to upgrade their infrastructure and train their cyber warrriors to do the spying for us. "It wasn't us! It was THEM!!" You know... sort of an Al Qaeda that hacks, cracks and tracks? And of course the US will always be able to control them just as they have Al Qaeda.

Re:yeah, right (2)

Bill, Shooter of Bul (629286) | about a year ago | (#44569531)

Ignoring the insanity that the US controls al Qaeda, that is probably the way it will happen.

They'll outsource the dirty work to another country, kind of like the renditions where they'd send a prisoner to a country that did torture them to get the info they wanted so the US could say they didn't torture.

Re:yeah, right (1)

gmuslera (3436) | about a year ago | (#44570215)

"Social" engineering is control too. Who knows how much adherents and plan of actions got al qaeda with all the US drones over innocent citizens.

And they don't have to deny if they aren't catch. How they didn't got catched last time? not becuase Germany detected them, but because Snowden's leaks. They could keep doing their scheduled industrial spying as long as they don't get discovered.

Re:yeah, right (5, Funny)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | about a year ago | (#44568881)

I, for one, trust James Clapper to not lie to the Bundestag.
 

Re:yeah, right (1)

mcgrew (92797) | about a year ago | (#44569285)

That was hilarious, thank you. Too bad Sheldon had mod points tonight.

No problems ...wink wink (4, Insightful)

arcite (661011) | about a year ago | (#44568917)

The US will just contract out the spying to a third party (or country, ally). No harm no foul. Money talks.

Re:No problems ...wink wink (3, Insightful)

interval1066 (668936) | about a year ago | (#44569057)

Germany, as the economic engine to the EU, certainly has the money to do the same, and don't think they won't. This will last only as long as its not inconvienient to each respective parrty.

Re:No problems ...wink wink (4, Insightful)

isorox (205688) | about a year ago | (#44569379)

The US will just contract out the spying to a third party (or country, ally). No harm no foul. Money talks.

Yes, the US will contract out it's Euro spying to Germany.

Meanwhile Germany will contract out it's America spying to the US.

Job done.

Re:No problems ...wink wink (1)

Opportunist (166417) | about a year ago | (#44570005)

As long as it creates jobs, Merkel will jump on it.

Re:yeah, right (3, Insightful)

ImdatS (958642) | about a year ago | (#44568921)

WHEREAS

"USA" shall mean the "United States of America" and all its government and military institutions.
"US Citizen" shall mean any citizen of "USA". ...

WHEREAS
"Germany" shall mean the Federal Republic of Germany and any and all government and military institutions.
"German Citizen" shall mean any citizen of "Germany". ...

NOW THEREFORE,

Germany and USA agree that neither party shall secretly or otherwise authorize any of its citizens to secretly obtain information about the other party's citizen or those citizen's communication, publication, ... within the other party's legal borders unless expressly authorized by the other party.

--snip--
Do you see the problem?

1) "Oh, sorry. We though he is not a citizen of your country because his name isn't a typical German/US name."
2) "We didn't spy within your borders. We just checked emails on Gmail, Yahoo, etc."
3) "We never authorized such spying. We will identify the person and fire him/her."
4) "Hey Max, I have this guy in [Berlin|New York] and have ample int that he might be plotting to commit acts of terrorism. Can you let me spy on him?" - Max: "Yeah, sure, go ahead. I also have a guy in [Munich|Orlando], can I spy on him? He seems to be interested in pressure cookers..." - "Of course, be my guest."

Just for the fun of it - I've been doing contracts for so many years, I love picking at them and trying to identify all the holes in them...

Re:yeah, right (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44570003)

One other problem? As you describe it, the agreement itself is unconstitutional in both Germany and the USA.

By specifying "citizens", it clearly violates the "equal protection" clause (14th Amendment in the USA, Article 3 of Germany's Basic Law). Either you protect everyone in your jurisdiction, or no-one - you can't be selective about it.

Re:yeah, right (2)

SnarfQuest (469614) | about a year ago | (#44569197)

the Obama government only violates the Constitutional Rights of its own citizens, it would never consider violating the rights of foreigners. That would be, like, wrong, and they'd never break foreign law.

Re:yeah, right (1)

Dunbal (464142) | about a year ago | (#44569419)

it would never consider violating the rights of foreigners.

Tell that to the parents of the kids killed by US drones.

Re:yeah, right (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44570023)

I think you need a new sarcasm detector.

Re:yeah, right (2)

Dishevel (1105119) | about a year ago | (#44569231)

and no one will ever cheat.

I do not know about Germany ... But the US won't have to cheat.

After all. The NSA is able to get the meta data for all US citizen phone calls and all of our browsing habits and emails and they are not spying on us.

I am sure they can "Not Spy" on Germany in much the same way.

Re:yeah, right (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44569247)

Not cheating when you redefine the word "spying" "spy" and "spied". As we all know, words no longer support actual ideas, but rather some fuzzy dream-like phase of "what should be", only later to be redefined to what it really means.

For instance, Google Earth will show you satellite images of the whole planet, even Germany. That's not spying though. These satellite images can withstand the political pressure. Soon the data that's gathered by way of PRISM and such will be viewed as the same, and also be able to withstand the political pressure.

Re:yeah, right (1)

Dunbal (464142) | about a year ago | (#44569401)

The US is prepared to break its own laws. I don't see why they would abide by an international agreement all of a sudden. Ahh but the politicians will sell it to the sheep, and all will be forgiven and forgotten cos, you know, they said they won't do it anymore.

Re:yeah, right (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44569585)

Quoth Dr Evil : Riiiiiiight ....

Re:yeah, right (2)

gweihir (88907) | about a year ago | (#44569857)

Noooo, that would be dishonest! Like spying on "friends"! Oh, wait....

Seriously, what the US is doing would be rightfully called an "act of war" in ordinary circumstances. As the current German political class is mostly composed of wimps with no backbone or personal honor, they try to sweep this whole mess under the rug. A few nice meaningless words can do the trick, as many Germans do not seem to understand what is going on. This is even more crass as Germany has made excessive bad experience with spying on citizens during the 3rd Reich and in the DDR. Seems people are unable to learn from history.

I want one too (5, Insightful)

Kasamir (1792648) | about a year ago | (#44568753)

Can I get a no-spying agreement with the U.S. government?

Re:I want one too (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44568817)

We have one, it's called the fourth amendment.

See how well that turned out for us?

Re:I want one too (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44568889)

It's kinda funny how literally shitting on each other is the German national pastime, and yet only the NSA knows who exactly is shitting on whom.

Kinda makes me wonder how the German intelligence services are shitting on the US.

-- Ethanol-fueled

Re:I want one too (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44569723)

It's kinda funny how literally shitting on each other is the German national pastime...

You have clearly never watched a political campaign ad on American television ... or simply watched Fox News for a minute or two.

What's not to believe? (4, Funny)

intermodal (534361) | about a year ago | (#44568757)

It's not like the US intelligence groups ever go beyond what laws allow, nor do they ever lie about such things...

Ich fühle mich jetzt soviel besser (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44568765)

Amerika, wir vertrauen euch.

Re:Ich fühle mich jetzt soviel besser (1)

Froggels (1724218) | about a year ago | (#44568859)

Ja, wirklich....

Re:Ich fühle mich jetzt soviel besser (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44568871)

Neben Bier und Autos und Heidi Klum. Deutschland ist wertlos für uns.

Re:Ich fühle mich jetzt soviel besser (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44568961)

Neben Bier und Autos und Heidi Klum ist für uns Deutschland wertlos. FTFY

Re:Ich fühle mich jetzt soviel besser (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44569067)

You...yes, you...stand still laddie!!!

Pinky swear (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44568775)

Yeah, right

What about my country? (2)

Thruen (753567) | about a year ago | (#44568779)

How can I talk my country's leaders into negotiating such an agreement? Does anyone know who I can send a letter to? I live in the United States of America, sure such a bastion of freedom wouldn't allow spying on its citizens...

If you don't get caught you didn't do it... (2)

tenchima (625569) | about a year ago | (#44568783)

According to Wikipedia: "Espionage or spying involves a government or individual obtaining information considered secret or confidential without the permission of the holder of the information. Espionage is inherently clandestine, as it is taken for granted that it is unwelcome and, in many cases illegal and punishable by law." I think the operative word here is clandestine...

It's probably worth... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44568787)

...the paper it's printed on.

Sure, can America not spy on Americans too? (4, Funny)

Nadaka (224565) | about a year ago | (#44568801)

Sure, can America not spy on Americans too?

That sure would be nice.

Re:Sure, can America not spy on Americans too? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44568879)

Assuming they do what they say, German just picked-up a ton of American customers.

Re:Sure, can America not spy on Americans too? (1)

Arancaytar (966377) | about a year ago | (#44568983)

Assuming they do what they say, they were never spying on anyone in the first place...

Call me old fashioned but (1)

Arker (91948) | about a year ago | (#44568803)

I remember when you did not need a special, explicit agreement to refrain from spying on your own allies. Kids these days just have no manners at all.

Re:Call me old fashioned but (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44568997)

I remember when you did not need a special, explicit agreement to refrain from spying on your own allies.

That was possibly in the days when US wasn't spying on its allies?

The agreement is to keep people happy, possibly because in Germany they still respect laws a bit. It won't stop any spying, but it will make it easier to pretend that all is well.

Re:Call me old fashioned but (1)

Arker (91948) | about a year ago | (#44569249)

"That was possibly in the days when US wasn't spying on its allies?"

I would not be so sure of that. I know at least one of our allies spied on us repeatedly through the last century... I wouldnt be too shocked if our government was already off the rails at the time too. But the actors back then acted very carefully, fearing the consequences if secrets got out.

It's well understood that small operations, run professionally, can work. But as your scale of operations grows it becomes more difficult to keep an op secret. We know some of the scandals from those times - and there are likely many more that were small enough to stay secret.

The new programs are fundamentally different in scale though. They are so large that everyone competent had to have been warning against them from day one. They are so large that there is no way they could have remained secret much longer, Snowden or no Snowden. Nor does there appear to be a need for even a single official to take the fall and leave office when fundamental violations are exposed anymore.

Re: Call me old fashioned but (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44569833)

What color is the sky on the planet you live on?

On this planet, everyone gathers intelligence (aka 'spies') on everyone else, has for time immemorial, and will continue to do so.

These sorts of agreements are a joke - both sides will exploit whatever holes exist in the agreement. Given that the agreement has all the legal authority of a playground pinky swear, those holes are legion.

Re:Call me old fashioned but (1)

CrimsonAvenger (580665) | about a year ago | (#44569213)

I remember when you did not need a special, explicit agreement to refrain from spying on your own allies.

I'm curious - what world did you grow up in? Governments have spied on their allies since there were governments.

Re:Call me old fashioned but (2)

godel_56 (1287256) | about a year ago | (#44569317)

I remember when you did not need a special, explicit agreement to refrain from spying on your own allies.

I'm curious - what world did you grow up in? Governments have spied on their allies since there were governments.

Yes, but it's probably fairly new where a government will spy on its own people for another foreign government.

Re:Call me old fashioned but (1)

Dunbal (464142) | about a year ago | (#44569437)

Spied on each other's military and industrial secrets. No KGB agent was reading about the new underwear I bought.

Re:Call me old fashioned but (1)

Arker (91948) | about a year ago | (#44570077)

It's not that it never happened, certainly. But it was understood to be forbidden, and people were very careful with small-scale stuff not to get caught.

This was way too big to keep secret for long and everyone involved had to have known that.

Don't worry USA! (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44568827)

The UK will spy on Germany for you!

Ummm.. (3, Informative)

Deflagro (187160) | about a year ago | (#44568837)

Did that agreement have a little smiley face on it near the end? Does anyone really expect the USA to be honest about their activities? This is more likely a coordinated display to show the US feels bad about being caught red-handed and now they can be trusted by the worldz again.

The UK will be next I'm sure... I don't know the lapdog priority in Europe though :P

Re:Ummm.. (2)

mcgrew (92797) | about a year ago | (#44569327)

Wink wink, nudge nudge

(I'm surprised nobody's said that yet.)

Why just the Germans (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44568849)

I would like to enter into a no-spy agreement with the US government on behalf of the US population.

Where do I sign?

Re:Why just the Germans (1)

lister king of smeg (2481612) | about a year ago | (#44569681)

a bunch of guy already did that; George Washington, Ben Franklin, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, and a bunch of others hammered it all out it is called the constitution and the bill of rights specifically the 4th amendment. Unfortunately ever since some muslim fundamentalist extremist terrorist flew a couple planes into our buildings the government thinks it can do whatever the hell it wants to screw the law.

Mutual spying agreement (4, Insightful)

Dr.Dubious DDQ (11968) | about a year ago | (#44568891)

I read this as a "spying exchange agreement". The US promises not to spy on Germans, and the Germans agree not to spy on Americans.

Instead, if the NSA wants spy data on German citizens, they'll metaphorically "extradite" data that the German government has collected on its citizens (and vice versa).

That would be my guess, anyway.

Re:Mutual spying agreement (1)

Ryanrule (1657199) | about a year ago | (#44569269)

I read this as Germany falling in line with American interests

Read the fine print.. (2)

Rivalz (1431453) | about a year ago | (#44568907)

Here's how I think this agreement will turn out.
1) If violated the president agree's to have his feet tickled profusely.
2) To avoid being caught the US allows UK to spy on Germany using our equipment which they hand over the info to us.
3) US asks the UK not to Spy on the US for this benefit
4) US asks Germany to Spy on UK for the US for our agreement not to spy on German

lol (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44568915)

...and if you believe any of that please remove yourself from the gene pool.

That is all citizen.

Sounds legit (3, Insightful)

Arancaytar (966377) | about a year ago | (#44568925)

- "We're not spying on anyone, we promise."
- "Here's proof you were spying."
- "Oops. Well, we won't spy on anyone anymore, we promise."

How can I as a US Citizen... (1)

dbrossard (911407) | about a year ago | (#44568927)

Enter into that same agreement with the US government?

Re:How can I as a US Citizen... (1)

lister king of smeg (2481612) | about a year ago | (#44569703)

Enter into that same agreement with the US government?

we already have that it is called the 4th amendment expect this treaty to be treated with the same reverence. and why yes that is sarcasm now that you ask.

Exposure proves nothing but the obvious (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44568935)

a. we spy on them, they spy on us.
b. we have secrets, they have secrets.
c. everyone, fairness is anomonmity, the lack of information. Both sides being able to cheat and get away with it is quid pro quo.
d. a verbal agreement means nothing. Actions speak louder than words.

And all the hype on /. of this spying stuff and freedom, speech, etc... is by political agendas and just plain whining cause you don't want to get off your arse and either take action or participate in the system. That's why the current cultures will no "agree to disagree".

Nice, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44568945)

when is the U.S., U.S. spying agreement going to happen?

Yeah heard that before (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44568953)

The US government said it wasn't spying on it's own citizens which turned out to be a lie. Now they say they're not going to spy on Germans (non-US citizens)??? Yeah right. Also interesting that it was a VERBAL commitment.

Re:Yeah heard that before (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44569041)

...it was a VERBAL commitment.

Yes, and we all know you can't trust Verbal. After all, HE'S KEYSER FUCKING SOZE!

so much for the "Master Race" (0)

ClassicASP (1791116) | about a year ago | (#44568965)

This is bad comedy. I don't know who's more gullible: Germany, or the U.S.

Re: so much for the "Master Race" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44569039)

I'm pretty sure the answer is that the people the governments are ostensibly supposed to represent are the most gullible. It's why we are in this situation at all.

We will never honor it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44568969)

Look at how many cease fires, treaties and agreements we had with the indigenous population and I doubt we met the obligations of any of them.

Like the story in Hustler about Jerry Falwell and his mother, any treaties the US signs are really acts of parody.

who cares? (3, Insightful)

stenvar (2789879) | about a year ago | (#44569015)

I have no problem with the German government trying to spy on me. Why? Because the German government has no jurisdiction over me. German state security can't appear on my doorstep and arrest me, no matter how much Merkel or her minions may disapprove of me.

I do have a problem with the US government spying on me, because DHS and DEA can appear on my doorstep and make my life miserable if they don't like me or want to enrich themselves or find it useful for some other reason, circumventing the justice system and the rule of law.

Obama made restoring privacy and the rule of law a key point of his presidential bid, and it has turned out to be complete lies.

Re:who cares? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44569329)

I have no problem with the German government trying to spy on me. Why? Because the German government has no jurisdiction over me. German state security can't appear on my doorstep and arrest me, no matter how much Merkel or her minions may disapprove of me.

Unfortunately, the opposite is not true. The German BND may hand out suspects telephone numbers to the US, the related owner is then killed by some drone attack.

Re:who cares? (1)

lister king of smeg (2481612) | about a year ago | (#44569747)

I have no problem with the German government trying to spy on me. Why? Because the German government has no jurisdiction over me. German state security can't appear on my doorstep and arrest me, no matter how much Merkel or her minions may disapprove of me.

I do have a problem with the US government spying on me, because DHS and DEA can appear on my doorstep and make my life miserable if they don't like me or want to enrich themselves or find it useful for some other reason, circumventing the justice system and the rule of law.

Obama made restoring privacy and the rule of law a key point of his presidential bid, and it has turned out to be complete lies.

ever heard of interpol? guess who Obama gave free reign to do as they please?

Nice one (1)

oldhack (1037484) | about a year ago | (#44569019)

Nice one, soulskill. Headline told the whole story.

Reminds me of childhood games (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44569021)

We agree not to spy on each other. Pinky Promise!

Message: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44569083)

Message to Germany: Hello suckers!

How about some concrete measures? (1)

jcr (53032) | about a year ago | (#44569199)

Like, say: Germany informs the US government that being an NSA or CIA employee isn't a "get out of jail free" card, and that crimes committed in Germany will be prosecuted, without exceptions.

-jcr

What Cloud Providers or Email hosts are there? (1)

Virtucon (127420) | about a year ago | (#44569251)

Any good Cloud Providers or EMail hosts in Germany? I'm moving my data overseas.

Don't expect privacy. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44569253)

Secure it by using force, deception and cryptography.

Yeah (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44569275)

We won't spy on you Germany... You can trust us... Yeah that's the ticket. From the government that lies to its own citizens and Congress with no consequences.

fools (4, Informative)

Tom (822) | about a year ago | (#44569283)

Please get a real journalist on this, not some blogger. A tiny bit of research will tell you a few interesting things that put things into perspective.

For example, we have an election upcoming, so obviously the government has to appear to be doing something about it, because the people don't like it. My bets are firmly on this dragging out until the election (of course, with constant reminders and "progress" reports) and afterwards, it'll quickly be forgotten.

For example, there are still laws in place from the end of WW2 and the times of the foundation of the Federal Republic of Germany that guarantee the allies spying rights. One of those agreements has just been revoked, to great PR effect. Almost all the mainstream media ignored that other agreements to the same effect still stand.

For example, the german equivalent, the BND, has been accused of working closely with the NSA, to the point of providing them with raw data. And our current prime minister would sell the whole country to her american friends if it gave her a benefit (a friendly hug would probably suffice). So one likely result is that they will agree the US stops spying, then the NSA lents its spy stations to the BND, who shares the data with the NSA, so everything remains the same, but technically, the NSA isn't spying within Germany anymore.

If you think the government or the current breed of corrupt egomanics that have taken over politics is there to protect you, you've been living under a rock the past twenty years.

Re:fools (3, Funny)

bitt3n (941736) | about a year ago | (#44569995)

sell the whole country to her american friends if it gave her a benefit (a friendly hug would probably suffice)

you remember GWB's famous backrub? that was for the dental records of all german citizens since the Kaiser. Tom, you really ought to have that sensitive molar of yours checked out.

Just like Sgt. Schultz from Hogan's Heroes! (2)

korbulon (2792438) | about a year ago | (#44569291)

"I see nussink! I vuss not hier! I dit not efen get ahp diss morning!"

Meanwhile back on the ranch (2)

pubwvj (1045960) | about a year ago | (#44569311)

Meanwhile both governments continue to spy on their citizens.

Election Time in Germany (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44569321)

It is election campaigning time in Germany: 'A German federal election will be held on 22 September 2013 to determine the 598 (or more, if overhangs are produced) members of the 18th Bundestag, the main federal legislative house of Germany.' (wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_federal_election,_2013)

These talks about a no-spying agreement is to calm down the population and to try to keep Germans happy about reelecting the incumbents or former incumbents of the major, established parties. The NSA spying scandal could benefit new-comer parties like the Pirate Party.

the biggest NSA station in Europe is in Germany (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44569353)

Hilarious enough, the biggest NSA base in Europe is in Germany.

Lies for the Sheeple (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44569423)

After WW2, the Allies kept many of the sheeple controlling laws introduced by the Nazi regime. Today, Germany produces and gifts submarines to the obscene racist nation of Israel specifically designed to carry nuclear warheads targeted at every major Muslim population centre across our planet. Meanwhile, German puppet leaders call for the destruction of Iran for daring to pursue limited nuclear energy programs. Germany has simply changed its mind about who constitute the 'Master Race', and who constitute the 'Sub-Humans' that must be kept down at all costs. If Germany was evil during WW2 (and it was), Germany is just as evil today for following the same disgusting policies based on the pseudo-science of 'race'.

The German people are sheeple to be controlled, brainwashed, and placated. Of course the German people suffer massive full surveillance spy programs- what would any of you expect given the history of Germany, and the involvement of the West and Soviets in their recent history? But the German people themselves constantly tell each other that they are both harmless and civilised, and don't need heavy handed control (hohoho). They seem oblivious to the heavy handed programs that have been ruthlessly controlling their society since WW2.

In truth, no-one cares about what German people think. In Europe, they were ruthless trained, post WW2, to act as disposable shock troops for any future war between Soviet Russia and the West. The entirety of Germany was to be snuffed out during the first phase of that anticipated conflict. But no-one trusts the German people either, so every power is hyper-keen to keep the people of Germany under the most intense scrutiny, and to maintain the dreadful propaganda programs every German experiences at school.

Now the German people will have their heads patted, like a dangerous psychopath in a lunatic asylum, and be told "of course we are stopping all that nasty surveillance- why on Earth would we do that to someone as harmless as you?"

Can the American People ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44569525)

Can the American People get one too? We don't want to be spied on either!

hysterical laughter (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44569891)

oh, you were serious *laughs even harder*

What about US? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44570079)

Wait, Germany gets a 'no spying agreement' from the prez while he won't even make the same for US citizens? (cool, my captcha was patriot)

US and Germany enter (1)

assemblerex (1275164) | about a year ago | (#44570095)

Spy on everyone else agreement.

Hahhaahah (1)

EmagGeek (574360) | about a year ago | (#44570121)

And the US will violate the No Spying agreement the millisecond it is signed.

The US Governmet CANNOT be trusted.

Bwahahahaha! (1)

Chas (5144) | about a year ago | (#44570165)

I've never seen such a huge pile of shit!

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