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Early Apple Employees Talk Memories of Steve Jobs, Thoughts On New Movie

Soulskill posted 1 year,14 days | from the i-never-realized-steve-jobs-was-a-transformer dept.

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Nerval's Lobster writes "Daniel Kottke and Bill Fernandez had front-row seats to the birth of the personal computing industry, as well as the most valuable technology company in the world. Both served as employees of Apple Computer in its earliest days: Kottke working with the hardware, Fernandez developing the user interfaces. Both have some strong opinions about the new feature film Jobs, which dramatizes the personal and professional escapades of Apple co-founder Steve Jobs and his more technically inclined partner, Steve Wozniak. Kottke consulted on early versions of the script, attended the movie's premiere at the Sundance Film Festival in February, and is currently planning to see it again shortly after its release on August 16. Fernandez, on the other hand, hasn't seen it and doesn't intend to, because he considers it a work of fiction and thinks it will upset him. In this lengthy interview with Slashdot, both attempted to distinguish the facts and longstanding geek legends from the instances of pure creative license exercised by the filmmakers."

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Funny (1, Interesting)

Haawkeye (2680377) | 1 year,14 days | (#44582917)

I think it will be funny and entertaining to see if they make him into the second coming. If nothing else it should be entertaining.

Re:Funny (2, Interesting)

TWiTfan (2887093) | 1 year,14 days | (#44582981)

That's going to take all the whitewash in the world. But, this is Hollywood, so I'm sure they'll find a way.

Re:Funny (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44583049)

Ah, you little minded wanna-be geeks. You have no idea what evil really is if you think Jobs was that bad of a guy. Bosses are hard people. Or at least they should be. Leading isn't easy. Jobs may have been a jerk. Some people aren't so thin skinned as to take it personally. It's a trait of good self worth. If you can't relate to that then maybe you're one of the thin skinned cowards who thinks that they're better than what they are.

Man up, fanboy... it's a tough world out there and it's not going to get any easier.

Re:Funny (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44583113)

...and yet you post as me, one of the most cowardly and despicable (but very good looking) personalities on the Internet

Re:Funny (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44583711)

Jobs was a psychopath

Re:Funny (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44583929)

+1

Re:Funny (2)

tragedy (27079) | 1 year,14 days | (#44584275)

Let's not forget that, although he did have the excuse of desperation, he did use his wealth to put himself essentially at the top of the list for a transplant organ. A transplant organ which was mostly wasted on him. As I said, desperate. Maybe any of us would have done the same thing in his situation. But the very fact that their actions have such stronger effects on other people's lives are one of the reasons that many of us judge the powerful more harshly than we might others.

Re:Funny (2)

gnasher719 (869701) | 1 year,14 days | (#44585391)

Let's not forget that, although he did have the excuse of desperation, he did use his wealth to put himself essentially at the top of the list for a transplant organ.

He didn't. He went on the list in another state, and waited his turn like everyone else in that state. And there are quite a few people doing the same thing. Anybody without money could have done the same thing, except they would have had to move to another state because once a transplant is ready, you have to be in the hospital in very short time.

Re:Funny (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44585727)

Do you even work in the healthcare industry, 'tard? Yeah, thought not. His money had *everything* to do with his transplant. He was not a good candidate for transplant because he was waiting out a death sentence. They wasted time, money and organs on him, no matter how much you love his shiny products.

Re:Funny (0, Troll)

slashmydots (2189826) | 1 year,14 days | (#44583379)

Damn right! This should be a documentary about how he tried over and over and over to bankrupt the company but just couldn't do it. His unhealthy obsession that was a blatant mental problem relating to both off buttons and active cooling aka fans was the biggest detriment to the company ever. There was a 20 year history of confusing and difficult to use devices that nobody can figure out how to turn on or off. Then you can't forget product after product overheating. His arrogant unwillingness to work with other computer platforms also almost crushed it. Then he refused to buy chips from anyone actually good until the board just about threatened to shoot him in order to get Intel in there. They should title this movie "The Miracle" and have it be about a company that overcame great adversity to crawl out from under the rule of the crazy person running it. All this "visionary" crap is enough to make me throw up.

Re:Funny (1)

tibit (1762298) | 1 year,14 days | (#44585397)

With one button, there isn't much to figure out, I'd hope. I mean, how simple can it get? A macbook, in addition to its keyboard and the screen latch, has exactly one extra button as well. Never had any problems with how to turn it on and off. Can you elaborate what exactly is your beef? (seriously, I'm all ears, no sarcasm intended)

Re:Funny (2)

StuartHankins (1020819) | 1 year,14 days | (#44586229)

Confusing isn't a word I'd apply to Apple products past or present. Maybe you're thinking of someone else? And the "chips from anyone actually good" -- you do know these machines really accomplished a lot with those chips, with their very wide data buses and relatively short pipelines, right?

Oh, and you seem pretty angry for some reason. I think a lot of that is caused by your confusion.

Re:Funny (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44583295)

Not only do I want that, I want to know what brand toilet paper he uses and his exact bowel movement schedule. I'm grateful for movies such as this, and submitters such as this one for bringing me inciteful (sic) articles about this most "new that matters"ly subjects. Furthermore, I want to know what these goombahs with their important opinions think about such cult classics as Star Wars, Fargo, and On The Waterfront.

Such a relevant site, /.

Re:Funny (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44584695)

The truth is: he wan't a nice guy. Most people would call him a jerk. Some of it was luck. The heavy lifting was done by other people. He never had any kind of ability with technology. He could sell stuff, and knew what people wanted and what would sell well. "I want one of these over here and I want it to do this". And in basically those terms. "Capacitance" "Inductance" and similar words were foreign to him. "Gimmie" and "I want" were his stock in trade. He's kinda like the Winklevii of Facebook fame, except that his ideas weren't obvious, and he also knew that if he shat on the 'techie' people who could do the heavy lifting, they would leave and he would have nothing (unlike the Winkelvii).

Obviosly time for a bioflick (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44582921)

Clearly there has been too much honesty about His Glorious Steveness [Hail Steve!], it's time to properly Appleify his memory by focusing on his good choices and reworking the context so there is no doubt about his glory.

Also, His Glorious Steveness's [Hail Steve!] tale shall not be in a crude rectangular box! Quickly, patent rounded corners for a blue-ray storage container!

Perhaps Pirate of Silicon Valley is better? (3, Interesting)

rolfwind (528248) | 1 year,14 days | (#44582943)

Metacritic and Rotten don't seem to be encouraging this movie.

Re:Perhaps Pirate of Silicon Valley is better? (0)

mmcxii (1707574) | 1 year,14 days | (#44582987)

Metacritic and Rotten don't seem to be encouraging this movie.

It's that good? I might just go see it.

Re:Perhaps Pirate of Silicon Valley is better? (3, Insightful)

Golddess (1361003) | 1 year,14 days | (#44583309)

Well Pirates of Silicon Valley wasn't just about Steve Jobs and Apple. It also followed Bill Gates and Microsoft.

While I'm not exactly interested in seeing Jobs, I am curious to see how Jobs compares to Pirates.

Re:Perhaps Pirate of Silicon Valley is better? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44585763)

You will never know - because what they portray on screen (Ashton Kutcher, really?) will be what they want you to believe is true, not what is. Like E.T.

Link to film (3, Informative)

SpaceMonkies (2868125) | 1 year,14 days | (#44582947)

"For a man whose singular vision alienated many – a point illustrated by Kutcher's straight-talking, temper-riddled reading of Jobs – those closest to him are barely given time to voice their concerns, let along develop as characters. Jobs's Apple co-founder, self-taught software whizz Steve "Woz" Wozniak (Josh Gad), already a vocal critic of the film, is presented as a mere backdrop. We learn little about Woz: where he came from, how he met Jobs, or what happened after he quit Apple, dissatisfied with the direction in which the company was heading."
http://www.theguardian.com/film/2013/jan/28/sundance-festival-jobs-first-look-review [theguardian.com]

Heres a link to info about the film itself: Jobs (film) [wikipedia.org] .

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Re:Link to film (4, Informative)

deKernel (65640) | 1 year,14 days | (#44583621)

Uhm, I hate to break the news to you, but the name of the movie was "Jobs" and not "Jobs & Woz".

Re:Link to film (0, Flamebait)

interval1066 (668936) | 1 year,14 days | (#44583673)

Jobs was a cult, not a man. I betcha dollahs to donuts the film is going to illustrate how Job's singular vision overcame the adversity of a hostile company board to bring joy and consumer products to thronging crowds. The scene where Scully fires Jobs is going to have a lot of violins in the background, watch.

Re:Link to film (3, Insightful)

Zero__Kelvin (151819) | 1 year,14 days | (#44583713)

I hate to break it to you, but without Woz it is highly likely that nobody would even have heard of Jobs. Not making him an integral part of the story is like doing a movie called "Robert Plant" and glossing over the Led Zeppelin part.

Re:Link to film (1)

cusco (717999) | 1 year,14 days | (#44584075)

I think Jobs would still have been famous, possibly in the way that Jerry Brown, Billy Mays, or Michael Milken were famous. An ego of that magnitude would have eventually found an outlet, it just wouldn't have been in the tech field.

Re:Link to film (1)

interval1066 (668936) | 1 year,14 days | (#44584889)

Hard to say. Jobs and Woz met through mutual friend Fernandez becuase Fern built a little pc prototype, obviously Jobs was turned on by tech. But then after high school he goes to a community college in Portland taking courses in calligraphy. But we know this: he brought vision to a field dominated at the time by stuffed shirts who saw NO value in giving tech to the masses. What did HP execs tell Jobs n' Woz when they tried to sell them on the Apple I? "What do consumers need with computers?" (paraphrasing). Jobs certainly was a PR guy. Would he have been a great PR guy for any product? Dunno... I think that's the question.

A partnership (4, Insightful)

sjbe (173966) | 1 year,14 days | (#44584297)

I hate to break it to you, but without Woz it is highly likely that nobody would even have heard of Jobs.

And without Jobs it's pretty unlikely most of us would have heard of Woz. It was a partnership and while it lasted a pretty remarkable one. Woz was a technical genius and Jobs was a sales/design genius. You need both to be successful, especially in a startup.

Re:A partnership (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44584755)

I hear plenty more about Woz now that Jobs is gone.

Woz also does a LOT more charitable work than Jobs ever done in his life, that is, if you count parking in disabled spaces charitable work.

Re:A partnership (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44585419)

Jobs was not a design genius. Jobs was not even a designer.

His company always went for form over function. He and his company were not the first to do so -- there were zillions of other companies that preceded Apple and did the same.

Furthermore, Apple designs are highly derivative and unoriginal. That point is obvious to anybody who is savvy to the industrial design world from the 1950s on.

There are actually other electronics companies who have created a greater variety of designs that are more original and have done so with form properly following function. The design discipline is more about making products usable and practical, rather than making products "pretty" and "tasteful."

Hey, remember when Steve used to screw us over? (5, Interesting)

TWiTfan (2887093) | 1 year,14 days | (#44582949)

Oh, those were the days. We used to laugh, and then he would deny us stock options, and then we would go to a bar and drink, and then he would curse at us and fire us. Oh man, were those great times!

Re:Hey, remember when Steve used to screw us over? (0)

interval1066 (668936) | 1 year,14 days | (#44583087)

Yeah, everything I've ever read about the dude wasn't exactly positive from an engineer's perspective. I like how Jobs "valued" art, keeping guitars from rockstars and motorcycles in the lobby of 1 Apple Way but demanding engineers spend 80% of their time in the office and farming out his products to Chinese sweatshops.

Re:Hey, remember when Steve used to screw us over? (4, Insightful)

TWiTfan (2887093) | 1 year,14 days | (#44583167)

My personal favorite Steve Jobs "asshole moment" was when he came back to the company in the 90's. One of his first acts as CEO was to end all of Apple's charitable giving programs. Such a sweet fella. I think that's even better than when he used to regularly park his Porsche in handicapped spots (starting back in the 80's, long before he was sick, mind you).

Re:Hey, remember when Steve used to screw us over? (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44583463)

Yah, that always hit me as karma.... The universe responding, "So... you want to park in handicap spots?"

Re:Hey, remember when Steve used to screw us over? (4, Insightful)

UnknowingFool (672806) | 1 year,14 days | (#44583979)

I don't have any major problems with Jobs removing the program when the company was struggling. I have a problem with him not reinstating it when Apple got back to sound financial footing.

Re:Hey, remember when Steve used to screw us over? (1)

ShanghaiBill (739463) | 1 year,14 days | (#44585307)

I don't have any major problems with Jobs removing the program when the company was struggling. I have a problem with him not reinstating it when Apple got back to sound financial footing.

Or maybe he understood that the money belonged to the shareholders. If the shareholders wanted to give money to charity, they were free to do so. They didn't need a corporation to do so on their behalf. There is nothing admirable about being generous with money that doesn't belong to you. If you want to criticize Jobs for being uncharitable, you should point out that he gave away very little of his own fortune.

Re:Hey, remember when Steve used to screw us over? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44585765)

re: giving programs, at that point apple probably qualified to have charitable giving programs in its benefit. the real dick move was not massively giving after apple's stock price hit $100

Re:Hey, remember when Steve used to screw us over? (1)

alexander_686 (957440) | 1 year,14 days | (#44583771)

I believe most of the outsourcing was done by Tim Cook, then head of production and now CEO.

But I think you kind of nailed it on the head inadvertently. Jobs strengths were about design and vision. Making sure the small things work and making sure all things fit together. Most CEOs claim to do this but few do.

As they say, always give the devil his due.

Re:Hey, remember when Steve used to screw us over? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44584295)

Jobs was not the product designer, hello. He got real designers to design the producuts, you make it sound like he designed them himself.

Re:Hey, remember when Steve used to screw us over? (1)

Em Adespoton (792954) | 1 year,14 days | (#44584689)

Jobs was not the product designer, hello. He got real designers to design the producuts, you make it sound like he designed them himself.

I didn't read it that way... Jobs got others to design things... and then he either accepted and praised the design if he thought it fit into the puzzle, or he told the designer it was crap and he'd better do better, and better do it now.

He was more of a metadesigner; he designed how products and image fit together, not how the little things actually worked. Getting image and product to line up is no simple feat -- he achieved it by stepping on the necks of extremely talented people.

Re:Hey, remember when Steve used to screw us over? (1)

alexander_686 (957440) | 1 year,14 days | (#44585269)

Where do you draw the line between artist and their assistance? Ask 5 designers to come up with something and you will get 6 proposals.

O.K., let’s say that Jobs had no vision and it was all the designers. Under Jobs had a specific style – expensive high end closed products with a high level of finish. You wanted a cheap knock off? Nope. You wanted a big external color monitor for you Macintosh? Had to wait 10 years for that. Was Apple the first to come out with a new product – rarely? But when they did it was polished and stable.

I can think of few other companies that maintained a specific high level of style for a long period of time. So, if the designers did all of the work, who hired and set the tone for all of them?

But I think he was involved. I think he knew how he wanted computers to work – and then give machining orders to the designers. I have heard that he delayed products because they did not meet his standards. The market wanted floppy drives but he tore them out because it did not meet Apple ‘s (his? The designers?) Forbid ports to hook up a big color monitor because it was not needed?

Sigh – I am not a fan boy and you can guess at one of my grips. However I will acknowledge that Jobs has a specific vision of how the future should look and stamped that vision into the culture of Apple.

Re:Hey, remember when Steve used to screw us over? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44584711)

Making sure the small things work and making sure all things fit together.

As long as you hold it right.

Jobs never got it to the point where it "just works". What he was great at was convincing people that it did.
Bill Gates said "Software suppliers are trying to make their software packages more 'user-friendly' Their best approach, so far, has been to take all the old brochures, and stamp the words, 'user-friendly' on the cover"
That pretty much sums up what Jobs managed to do successfully. Do what everyone else already done but convince people that the same function now is easy to use.

Re:Hey, remember when Steve used to screw us over? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44586463)

Jobs never got it to the point where it "just works". What he was great at was convincing people that it did.

That's why you have to go back about 5 years to find a single example, right TWiTfan?

When it comes down to working out of the box I'll put Apple up against Google or Microsoft anyday.

Re:Hey, remember when Steve used to screw us over? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44585929)

Cook? You really think he had any final say until Jobds died?

Re:Hey, remember when Steve used to screw us over? (1)

alexander_686 (957440) | 1 year,14 days | (#44586621)

Well, he was temporary CEO for 6 months But yes – I do.

I hear Jobs was passionate about a lot of things but I never hear him speak about manufacturing. I am not sure he cared about so he may have delegated it without much though.

Now Cook – that a different story. Logistics and outsourcing manufacturing are his strong suits. Since he is very good I would suspect he has a strong opinion. Since he had Jobs confidence – as evidenced by his temporary CEO stint – I assume he could influence Jobs on this.

Re:Hey, remember when Steve used to screw us over? (0)

assertation (1255714) | 1 year,14 days | (#44583807)

LOL seriously. I roll my eyes about how an abusive boss is now being canonized as a modern day Leonardo Davinci. Um, it was his engineers who came up with a lot of the innovations and they probably could have also done those things being treated respectfully.

Re:Hey, remember when Steve used to screw us over? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44584357)

If left to their own devices, programmers develop products for other programmers. Programmers never seen to grasp how irritating that is to end users. Jobs was just a conduit for the spite that end users have for programmers.

Re:Hey, remember when Steve used to screw us over? (1)

assertation (1255714) | 1 year,14 days | (#44584471)

As someone who has been disappointed ( in addition to being gratified by ) by open source software I have to say there is some truth in your comment.

However, Jobs wasn't being a conduit for end users. He was being an asshole because that is who he was on the job and he could get away with it.

Companies hire different types of people for a reason. Tech companies hire people to guide designs to make the products appealing to end users. Such professionals working respectfully with engineers and programmers could have also gotten nice results.......without the abuse IMO

Re:Hey, remember when Steve used to screw us over? (2)

wootcat (1151911) | 1 year,14 days | (#44584825)

Maybe, maybe not. I've read several accounts from former Apple engineers who state Jobs pushed them to do far more than they ever thought they could. Many times, they would present work to Jobs they thought was "good enough" only to have it thrown back at them.

Film casts Woz in bad light. (5, Interesting)

nitehawk214 (222219) | 1 year,14 days | (#44582963)

The one true geek character in the entire Apple saga. Well that is enough for me to not bother with it.

Re:Film casts Woz in bad light. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44583141)

I was on edge as to whether or not Kelso could legitimately pull off a Kelso...but if there is one character who does not deserve a bad representation at all, it's Woz.

Thanks for letting me know I shouldn't see this garbage I thought it was anyways...

Re:Film casts Woz in bad light. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44583311)

Film casts Woz in bad light. The one true geek character in the entire Apple saga. Well that is enough for me to not bother with it.

In what way? Does he betray Steve for 30 pieces of silver?

oh Woz, you crazy PRANKSTER! (3, Funny)

Thud457 (234763) | 1 year,14 days | (#44583701)

Woz gave St Jobs pancreatic cancer by spiking his yoghurt with polonium.[*]


[*] Payback for the breakout ripoff of 1976. Just you wait, it'll come out after Woz is dead. OK, I'm wrong about the polonium being the mechanism, that's just not correct. Revenge is a dish best served cold.

A legend? (4, Informative)

Opportunist (166417) | 1 year,14 days | (#44583045)

Woz is the legend. Jobs was the PR machine.

Re: A legend? (2)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44583143)

It's PR machines like Jobs that *make* a legend like Apple happen.

Re:A legend? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44583157)

Why cant we here a idot . just admit we are ungrateful for Jobs, he was a pee pee head to many of us and apple is the devil? Its like what we have done is greater than that, like wanking in mamas bathroom for instance.

Re:A legend? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44584427)

Why cant we here a idot .

I think I just did.

Re:A legend? (2)

Entropius (188861) | 1 year,14 days | (#44584809)

You mean an iDot . ?

Yes, this ------> . is an iDot. It's like a period, but a very small rounded rectangle instead of a circle.

You now owe Apple royalties.

Re:A legend? (5, Insightful)

orthancstone (665890) | 1 year,14 days | (#44583169)

That's somewhat disingenuous. Steve had great ideas and vision, but more importantly he knew how to get people to buy into it. You can downplay that as "PR" all you want, but strong leadership involves convincing others to collaborate on a common set of goals.

Re:A legend? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44583279)

Was "Steve" your buddy, fanboy? Was "Steve" your hero? Glad you two were on a first name basis. Don't you feel embarrassed referring to someone you never knew like you were old friends?

Re:A legend? (1)

orthancstone (665890) | 1 year,14 days | (#44583865)

Feeling better now? What a moronic rant.

Re:A legend? (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44583819)

Woz is the legend. Jobs was the PR machine.

Odds are exceptionally high that neither man would have been even vaguely as successful as they were without the other. They were a perfect combination of elements that demanded the other to launch them on their paths to success. Without Woz, Jobs wouldn't have had a breakthrough product to market; without Jobs, Woz would still be tinkering on brilliant and cool tech in a garage. To downplay the importance of either man in both of their stories of success is to be a blind and idiotic fool.

Re:A legend? (1)

gnasher719 (869701) | 1 year,14 days | (#44585477)

Woz is the legend. Jobs was the PR machine.

Woz built the Apple 1 motherboard (interestingly, unlike products like Macintosh, iPod, iPad, Pentium and so on, the first Apple computer was actually called Apple 1 from the start). Jobs convinced Byte Shop to hand over $25,000 for 50 finished boards. How many would have been built without that first sale?

For balance (3, Informative)

ciderbrew (1860166) | 1 year,14 days | (#44583175)

For balance here is comedian Bill Burr talking about Jobs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iGm4dl0Ys4 [youtube.com]
Bill Burr - Night of Too Many Stars 2012

I enjoyed that interview (1)

kdogg73 (771674) | 1 year,14 days | (#44583219)

Sounds like Daniel Kottke would be a great person to know. Let him roll about those days. Thanks!

Living Life versus watching a film version of life (1)

BoRegardless (721219) | 1 year,14 days | (#44583261)

I sympathize with Bill Fernandez saying he won't see the movie.

Would Steve Jobs please come back to life (0)

ebno-10db (1459097) | 1 year,14 days | (#44583343)

Would Steve Jobs please come back to life so they'll stop eulogizing him. I can't believe they made a movie about him. I haven't seen any about Tesla. He was a good product design guy and made some money. 'nuf said. He's dead. Who cares?

Re:Would Steve Jobs please come back to life (1)

Infiniti2000 (1720222) | 1 year,14 days | (#44584221)

Sure, they should make a movie about Tesla, but that doesn't change the fact that a movie about Jobs is worthwhile. It just needs to be an accurate representation of Jobs.

Re:Would Steve Jobs please come back to life (0)

ebno-10db (1459097) | 1 year,14 days | (#44585897)

Why is a movie about Jobs worthwhile? Is it because he made a lot of money? Buffett, Gates and a long list of others made more. Is it because he "created an industry"? Robert Noyce had a lot more to do with that and most people have never even heard of him. Is it because Jobs was a colorful character? Taking an engineer on a walk to show him rectangles with rounded corners is anywhere near as colorful as, say Howard Hughes?

P.S. I see my GP was already modded down, because I'm a blasphemer or a heretic or an apostate (I have trouble remebering the difference between them). Can I atone by making an offering at the Temple of Jobs?

Re: Would Steve Jobs please come back to life (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44586221)

They did make a movie about Tesla .. several in fact.

the cynic in me revolts. (0)

nimbius (983462) | 1 year,14 days | (#44583431)

apple greybeards slowstroking to memories of a benevolent leader. the man is more of a pop culture consumer electronics icon than he ever was a tech mogul, and the jobs film will see to it the legacy remains intact. it will pander heavily to fanboys and moviegoers alike as it eschews fact for fiction in the pursuit of product placement and marketing tie-ins. We'll ignore guys like Jonathan Ive, who were basically instrumental in making the iPod pretty. the throngs of coders and UI designers and engineers will go unsung as a christgod is made whole in the pursuit of ensuring jobs is to our world as Stark was to his.

TL;DR: apple enjoys a 90 minute infomercial.

Re:the cynic in me revolts. (3, Insightful)

ebno-10db (1459097) | 1 year,14 days | (#44583639)

the man is more of a pop culture consumer electronics icon than he ever was a tech mogul

Well put. Non-techies go "ooh, ahh" because the end products are what they see. Meanwhile, how many people have heard of Nyquist, Bardeen, Brattain, Shockley, Shannon, Kilby, Noyce and all the other tech pioneers and inventors who made this stuff possible. Money? Sure, but there are others with more. Nor is Jobs even colorful enough to be interesting, like Howard Hughes. Please stop, this is getting worse than the 24x7 coverage of the OJ trial.

Re:the cynic in me revolts. (1)

gnasher719 (869701) | 1 year,14 days | (#44584347)

Well put. Non-techies go "ooh, ahh" because the end products are what they see. Meanwhile, how many people have heard of Nyquist, Bardeen, Brattain, Shockley, Shannon, Kilby, Noyce and all the other tech pioneers and inventors who made this stuff possible. Money? Sure, but there are others with more. Nor is Jobs even colorful enough to be interesting, like Howard Hughes. Please stop, this is getting worse than the 24x7 coverage of the OJ trial.

Three of these people on your list invented the transistor. Fine. What can I do with a transistor? 99.99% of the population couldn't do _anything_ with it. Somebody has to take an invention and find a use for it. Without that person, the invention is worthless.

Re:the cynic in me revolts. (1)

Entropius (188861) | 1 year,14 days | (#44584829)

Far more people saw the transistor and knew you could make a radio out of it than saw the Schroedinger equation and knew you could make a transistor out of it.

Re:the cynic in me revolts. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44584847)

Three of these people on your list invented the transistor. Fine. What can I do with a transistor? 99.99% of the population couldn't do _anything_ with it. Somebody has to take an invention and find a use for it. Without that person, the invention is worthless.

Jobs on the other hand didn't invent anything. His specialty was to sell things that already exists for twice their value.

Re:the cynic in me revolts. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44585991)

Twice? LOL..oh, LOL.

Re:the cynic in me revolts. (1)

Capt James McCarthy (860294) | 1 year,14 days | (#44584369)

Well put. Non-techies go "ooh, ahh" because the end products are what they see. Meanwhile, how many people have heard of Nyquist, Bardeen, Brattain, Shockley, Shannon, Kilby, Noyce and all the other tech pioneers and inventors who made this stuff possible. Money? Sure, but there are others with more. Nor is Jobs even colorful enough to be interesting, like Howard Hughes. Please stop, this is getting worse than the 24x7 coverage of the OJ trial.

Agreed. If they want a modern day Howard Hughes, I'd vote for Sir Richard Branson. Heck, even they had/have a passion for flight and would probably make for a better biopic at the end of the day. Jobs, was all about Jobs.

Re:the cynic in me revolts. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44584425)

So many people here are so dismissive of an interesting character, if for no other reason than he causes such intense reactions in others.

I thought he had like 200+ patents in his name? It's not like he's done nothing.

As far as everyone else whose shoulders he stood on, I think instead of having holiday's that basically celebrate wars, we should have STEM Day, complete with three day weekend. Call it Turing Day and have some BBQ.

Re:the cynic in me revolts. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44586611)

For someone who's so sick of hearing about Steve Jobs you spend an aweful long time dwelling on him, tearing him down and trying to turn his legacy on its ear.

Let me give you a hint... you're not going to do it. I know the names on your list and I know them well, I'd still rather see a Steve Jobs film and I can understand why 99.9999% of the rest of the public would too. Sorry that it has your panties in such a bunch but you really are investing a lot of yourself into someone you claim doesn't matter in the real world. Do you rave on about everyone who has ever claimed or been given false glory? Why do you do it now?

As far as the end product? Yeah, I do like it. I buy it. I will continue to buy it as long as it suits my purpose. Does that make me a "non-techie" in your eyes? The funny thing is that I really don't care. You're in a twist about who uses what technology instead of what they're doing with the technology. That puts me well above your level. You think you're so advanced but you're just another drone.

It sounds like you have personal problems. Keep ranting. Slashdot is pretty much dead to me anyway. I don't see myself coming back to hear a bunch of sour-grape Linux fanboys cry themselves to sleep every day.

Birth of PC - Altair, not Apple (3, Informative)

sl4shd0rk (755837) | 1 year,14 days | (#44583551)

It really amazes me how badly some people want history to read that Apple started the computer revolution. If there is any one group responsible for starting the home computing boom, it was the Homebrew Computer Club and the advent of the Altair [wikipedia.org] . Please stop trying to make Apple history happen differently than it happened. If anything, Jobs and Gates were douc^H^H businessmen and acted as such trying to screw everyone else over [winrumors.com] in order to gain wealth and power.

Re:Birth of PC - Altair, not Apple (3, Informative)

0racle (667029) | 1 year,14 days | (#44583829)

I knew someone was going to say something like this, because people can't read. The article doesn't say Apple was the birth of the PC, it says Apple was at the birth of the industry, not the birth but at the birth, which is true. Therefore those who were part of Apple were at the birth of the industry as well.

The interviewees also lament that the movie in question doesn't even mention all the others that were there to provide context, and that Apple was by no means a sure thing.

Re:Birth of PC - Altair, not Apple (1)

gnasher719 (869701) | 1 year,14 days | (#44583887)

It really amazes me how badly some people want history to read that Apple started the computer revolution. If there is any one group responsible for starting the home computing boom, it was the Homebrew Computer Club and the advent of the Altair .

Not really. That wasn't any "home computing" boom. That was a tiny "build your own computer" movement. "Home computing boom" started when you had computers that could be used without a soldering iron.

There were of course other companies involved like Commodore, but without someone building computers that the masses could use there would have been no boom.

Re:Birth of PC - Altair, not Apple (3, Insightful)

msauve (701917) | 1 year,14 days | (#44584029)

Nope. Only a techie would flip front panel switches to enter a loader, so they could then run a program from paper tape. The Altairs, IMSAIs, SOLs, North Stars, Cromemcos, Poly-88s, etc. were hobby or industrial computers, not home computers.

It was indeed Apple, Radio Shack, and Commodore who started the home computer industry. They were the first packaged systems which could be purchased, set up, and operated by a normal person.

Apple, especially for the relatively low cost/high performance disk drive Woz developed, which made things like Visicalc practical.

Re:Birth of PC - Altair, not Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44584101)

As a fresh young 2nd grader in 1982, I sat down in front of an Apple ][+ and it changed my life forever.

Would an Altair have done the same? Perhaps, but it would have never ended up in my parents home.

It took Woz's genius and Jobs' drive to make that happen.

Re:Birth of PC - Altair, not Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44586119)

As a fresh young 2nd grader in 1982, I sat down in front of an Apple ][+ and it changed my life forever.

Get off my lawn! I was a 12th grader in the autumn of 1982 when my mathematics teacher brought his personal Commodore PET computer into the classroom and integrated it into part of the curriculum covering solving quadratic equations (determining the roots whether real or imaginary), functions and vectors. I blame him for my addiction to computers which persists to this day. :-)

Re:Birth of PC - Altair, not Apple (2)

CohibaVancouver (864662) | 1 year,14 days | (#44584601)

If there is any one group responsible for starting the home computing boom, it was the Homebrew Computer Club and the advent of the Altair

I certainly don't idolize Jobs - He was probably mostly a dick. However, the Homebrew Computer Club and the Altair can't take the credit. The computer 'revolution' started when businesspeople took what they were doing and ran with it. Until Bill Gates, Steve Jobs and Don Estridge stepped up it was just a bunch of geeks swapping floppy disks. Once you had the platforms, other business-types created VisiCalc and WordPerfect and we were off to the races.

Re: Birth of PC - Altair, not Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44586355)

You guys act like woz and even Steve and gates and company where not part of the home brew computing Club. Where was the apple 1 given its first demonstration. Who sold basic for the Altair.

folklore.org answers all (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44583697)

Wish more Silicon Valley histories were told in this fashion. Fantastic reading.

Re: folklore.org answers all (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44583879)

I'll have to second that. Folklore.org has some awesome stories from the rank and file at Apple during the birth of the Mac. I love the story about the engineer working all night on code for the Mac only to realize the Apple II he was working on did not have a drive controller in it to save his work. The solution to the problem was awesome.

If you like this sort of thing, and want to get the story from insiders, check it out.

"pure creative license" my apps. (2, Insightful)

Gravis Zero (934156) | 1 year,14 days | (#44583743)

it's not "pure creative license," it's revisionist history.

Dear Dice ... WTF (-1, Troll)

Zero__Kelvin (151819) | 1 year,14 days | (#44583797)

So now Slashdot is not just linking to stories, but rolling their own? What could possibly go wrong? I'm sure they will only link to the good ones, though ...

TFA (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44583843)

Good piece. Did any of you read TFA?

Doesn't seem to match the comments. I don't usually read it, I just crap on it like everyone else does, but you should read it.

Maybe they could let these two guys go through it and edit out the crap like they did with Phantom Menace :)

Giving people what they want -- a hero (1)

swb (14022) | 1 year,14 days | (#44583987)

People don't want "the real story" of Apple or even of Jobs.

They don't care about Woz's tech wizardry making Apple computers what they were or the other people (or institutions, *cough*PARC*cough*) that made Apple what it is.

They want a story about a hero, a guy who through sheer force of personality made an iconic computer company and then came back and "saved it" and made it even better than it was, creating the iPhone, etc.

A story about a narcissist who serially manipulated people, refused to support his pregnant girlfriend, and relied on the achievements of others to promote himself and his company and created an image as the guy who was responsible for all of it isn't what people want in a story.

(You could also take a Chomesky-esque view, and say that this is what the corporate power structure wants -- people to believe that CEOs are singular geniuses, alone responsible for a company's success...)

As an apple engineer (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44584085)

Hired in the summer of 1979 and working in the Bandley Iii bullpen... Woz's was always what the company was all about... The color production trick, the state machine trick, the integer basic, and the playful hard-working attitude made my time at apple a joy. Jobs was a prick who for example told Wendell sanders where exactly on the motherboard to put the ill fated and single sourced national semiconductor clock chip and denied a friend who now works at oracle the PRE iPod stock option that jobs personally promised earlier "you should have reminded me". Jobs, what a dick

Re:As an apple engineer (1)

Infiniti2000 (1720222) | 1 year,14 days | (#44584257)

Why AC? Just no /. account or are you expecting retribution?

Daniel Kottke (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44584377)

I was a low three-digit employee (engineer). I met jobs and knew all the players including Dan Kottke.. Dan was the most modest and happy early-timer I knew at Apple. Andy H. was happy but he was always baked so it was hard to tell. I didn't know until years later that Dan was employee twelve from the garage days, he was that self-effacing.

Admission after thirty years: I took the diagonal cutter with the gumby green handle from Woz's office and never returned it. I still have it. Who knows what role it played in building the earliest apples. I guess I should send it back to him with an apology. Nah, he would track me down and prank me.

Not all that good... (1)

MaWeiTao (908546) | 1 year,14 days | (#44585109)

According to the reviews I've read the movie isn't very good. It's an amateurish portrayal where they never really delve all that deeply into Jobs' life. They want to glorify Jobs as an incredibly driven innovator, but while trying to humanize him manage to make him quite an unlikeable character. Aston Kutcher is as bad as everyone expected him to be; he's over-the-top and none of it feels authentic. It's like he's ticking off a checklist of tics, expressions and reactions.

Apparently, the writer of The Social Network is working on his own portrayal of Jobs. The expectations are that it will be a far better movie.

Idol worship by the youth (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,14 days | (#44585201)

In reality, Steve wasn't that nice a fellow. Actually he was quite a douche much of the time. Reality doesn't fill a theater.
I can empathize with Bill F. not wanting to see it. I'd prefer to enjoy the "fond" memories privately, without influence by fictional scenes added to make the movie more interesting to the 20-30 yr olds.

ETERNAL SEPTEMBER : The Movie (1)

Thud457 (234763) | 1 year,14 days | (#44585701)

Does this movie even mention Lisa? Or the Apple Lisa?

First Kutchner punks Charlie Sheen, now this. fookin' hipsters with their whitewash hipster movie can fook right off.

Can't they just accept it for what it is? (1)

joeflies (529536) | 1 year,14 days | (#44585663)

the way that mr. fernandez comes across in the interview, it sounds like there is a single definitive history that only he knows about and resistant to share. it's not like movies are used as definitive pieces of history, it's essentially folklore at best.

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