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Microsoft Closes Xbox.com PC Marketplace

Soulskill posted about a year ago | from the predictions-coming-true dept.

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SmartAboutThings writes "Microsoft is definitely changing things in its gaming department: it has now announced in a support note on the Xbox site that it will be shutting down the Xbox.com PC Marketplace on August 22nd. This comes shortly after news that Microsoft hired former Steam boss Jason Holtman, whose mission at Redmond is to 'make Windows great for gaming.' The Microsoft Points system will be retired on August 22nd as well. The Games for Windows Live client software will not be affected, at least initially, letting you play previously purchased games."

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"letting you play previously purchased games." (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44584087)

Oh, thank you! Thank you so much! I feel so special, so lucky! Thank you so much again for letting me continue to play my previously purchased games!

Re:"letting you play previously purchased games." (5, Insightful)

josephtd (817237) | about a year ago | (#44584103)

I believe the summary misspelled rented.

Re:"letting you play previously purchased games." (5, Insightful)

TWX (665546) | about a year ago | (#44584127)

And people wonder why I don't get rid of my movie collection in favor of netflix or some other streaming service...

Re:"letting you play previously purchased games." (4, Insightful)

mlk (18543) | about a year ago | (#44584195)

The two are not the same.
Netflix you are renting X files for the next 30 days. You know this. No expectations that you can stop playing the £Y and movies will still magic onto your tellybox.

"Buy" a game from Steam/Xbox/Origin/what evs and you pay just the once and expect it to continue working.

One you are getting a service, the other you are getting a product.

Re:"letting you play previously purchased games." (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44584361)

The two are not the same.
Netflix you are renting X files for the next 30 days. You know this. No expectations that you can stop playing the £Y and movies will still magic onto your tellybox.

"Buy" a game from Steam/Xbox/Origin/what evs and you pay just the once and expect it to continue working.

One you are getting a service, the other you are getting a product.

You're 100% wrong. Both xbox.com pc and netflix ARE services. The only difference is that netflix is "honest" about it while Microsoft isn't. You as a pc gamer are being swindled. You think you bought that game while you've only got a time limited licence a.k.a RENT. And to be clear Steam is the same, they RENT games.
GOG is the only e-tailor where you really BUY games.

Re:"letting you play previously purchased games." (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44584563)

Until GoG closes and you have to reformat and can't actually download the game from them again.

Re:"letting you play previously purchased games." (4, Insightful)

0123456 (636235) | about a year ago | (#44584765)

Until GoG closes and you have to reformat and can't actually download the game from them again.

There's thing thing called 'backups', dude. You see, Gog actually give you an installer file that installs the game, you don't have to download it from them every time you want to install it.

Re:"letting you play previously purchased games." (1)

Wookact (2804191) | about a year ago | (#44584923)

You can backup and install steam games off line as well.

Re:"letting you play previously purchased games." (3, Informative)

0123456 (636235) | about a year ago | (#44585071)

You can backup and install steam games off line as well.

But you can't run the games if Steam has gone away. I've also seen a few people say that they used the Steam backup software and the file it generated wouldn't reinstall.

Re:"letting you play previously purchased games." (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44585359)

Some games refuse to backup properly but theyre usually MMOs and other games that have their own installer/unpacker and just use Steam to transfer data files.

Re:"letting you play previously purchased games." (1)

lgw (121541) | about a year ago | (#44585793)

That very likely depends on the game. Some Steam games have no DRM, some have Steam DRM, some have ridiculous root kits (likely on top of Steam DRM, just for maximum abuse).

If Steam ever shuts down a patch for Steam DRM will be available, one way or another.

You can't install without Steam online. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44585779)

Are you REALLY that fucking stupid?

Go on, try this. Disconnect your computer, backup a Steam game you have. Reinstall the game. Try playing.

What? Didn't work?

Guess "backups don't work, dude" if you've used Steam.

Re:"letting you play previously purchased games." (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44585113)

As opposed to buying a physical disc, where you can just email the developer and they will happily send you a replacement if you lose that disc, right?

If GoG goes kaput, I can still play the games I downloaded. If Steam or Microsoft go kaput, I cannot play the games I bought from them, because they will try and connect with the Steam/Microsoft servers, find nothing, and popup a giant middle finger on the screen, with the caption "fuck you, you dirty fucking pirate".

That is why GoG is a purchase, not a rental. Being able to redownload a game plays no part in determining if it was a sale or a rental.

Re:"letting you play previously purchased games." (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44585431)

"Being able to redownload a game plays no part in determining if it was a sale or a rental."

Completely true.

"That is why GoG is a purchase, not a rental."

Wrong. It still has an EULA that states you are getting a license to play the game and you do not own it.
DRM doesn't change the product, it only restricts your ability to use it.

Re:"letting you play previously purchased games." (1)

GrumpySteen (1250194) | about a year ago | (#44585507)

Because the game publishers would send you replacement software after they've gone out of business if you had just bought it on CD instead of downloading it?

Re:"letting you play previously purchased games." (1)

khellendros1984 (792761) | about a year ago | (#44584797)

GOG is the only e-tailor where you really BUY games.

That's not strictly true. Desura itself is DRM-agnostic (they don't impose their own DRM, although game makers are free to sell their games with it). Humble Indie Bundle sells games DRM-free (although they don't have regular availability of specific titles). Indie Royale works similarly to HIB. ShinyLoot sells DRM-free games (although they allow one-time key authentication).
That being said, GOG is an incredible site, and they most assuredly have my business!

Re:"letting you play previously purchased games." (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44585449)

GOG is the only e-tailor where you really BUY games.

That's not strictly true. Desura itself is DRM-agnostic (they don't impose their own DRM, although game makers are free to sell their games with it). Humble Indie Bundle sells games DRM-free (although they don't have regular availability of specific titles). Indie Royale works similarly to HIB. ShinyLoot sells DRM-free games (although they allow one-time key authentication).
That being said, GOG is an incredible site, and they most assuredly have my business!

Amazon also sells a number of DRM free titles and has, due to consumer request, done a much better job indicating whether the title is DRM free or not. Sometimes you may select between DRM free or Steam version (e.g. Dragon Knight Saga).

Re:"letting you play previously purchased games." (-1, Offtopic)

ackthpt (218170) | about a year ago | (#44584403)

The two are not the same.
Netflix you are renting X files for the next 30 days. You know this. No expectations that you can stop playing the £Y and movies will still magic onto your tellybox.

"Buy" a game from Steam/Xbox/Origin/what evs and you pay just the once and expect it to continue working.

One you are getting a service, the other you are getting a product.

I'm certain Starbucks follows this same model - you sit around in their extravagant little shoppe, renting coffee (you'll never own it, it'll be turned over to the Department of Public Works in due course) and feel like you are getting something more for your money. In reality shows they make a big show of producing some hot solution from blasting steam through a handful of ground south american beans.

You could just buy your coffee beans at the market and enjoy them at your leisure at home until such time as said beans turn rancid (you can keep them longer in the fridge.

I've yet to get into Netflix, largely because I watch stuff piecemeal on a portable DVD player I bought about 10 years ago (still works and dumb as a rock, so doesn't know the first thing about region coding, w00t!) Having big stack of DVDs around is handy, but I truly despise the advertising crap before movies, sometimes as many as 6 plugs for other movies (which is the strongest motivation I've ever had to rip my DVDs, so I can put the content I want to watch somewhere I can get to it easily, without all the delay and frustration).

Re:"letting you play previously purchased games." (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44584657)

I'm sure you feel that your clever but you're a dolt. If you want to look at anything you consume as being a rented item then I'd guess you should see everything as rented except the coffin you'll fill when you get buried. Even that will rot/rust to nothing in a few hundred to a couple thousand years. You could save yourself the trouble of that life thing you're dealing with now and just throw yourself off a bridge but I'm pretty sure you're not going to do that.

When it comes right down to it everything we do in life has to deal with what we experience. If a $3.50 grande mocha is what does it for you then I guess that's better than spending 5 dollars on a DVD you'll never really watch. Even if you do I'm sure they're garbage because you're a moron and morons watch garbage movies and TV.

Re:"letting you play previously purchased games." (1)

retchdog (1319261) | about a year ago | (#44585029)

Coffee beans don't turn rancid for a long while, it's more that the volatile oils will evaporate, losing flavor. Keeping them in the fridge is actually terrible because of the moisture. Use the freezer if you must or, preferably, grind small amounts and use it quickly.

Re:"letting you play previously purchased games." (1)

Zemran (3101) | about a year ago | (#44585289)

I bought a Nokia N95 and bought some games for it several years ago (about 6 years ago). The phone was still working fine when they closed nGage store and after having to reboot my phone to factory setting I could not play those games, that I had bought, ever again. I will never be that stupid again. I want to make sure that I own what I buy. I am happy to buy a .iso on line and download it but I want that installer. I do not buy from iTunes or Android stores.

Re:"letting you play previously purchased games." (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44585115)

I wonder that, too, since you can't purchase movies on Netflix.

Re:"letting you play previously purchased games." (1)

0123456 (636235) | about a year ago | (#44584283)

Think yourself lucky that they let you do so. I almost lost GTA4 when I discovered I'd forgotten the GFWL login after not playing it for a couple of years. Others on the Steam forums have said they lost their GFWL account completely after not logging in for a long time.

Not that it would have been a big loss given how bad GTA4 is, but the experience was bad enough that I've never bought another GFWL game since.

Re:"letting you play previously purchased games." (1)

spire3661 (1038968) | about a year ago | (#44584519)

You wouldn't have lost access to GTA 4, just your save games. All of which can be avoided if you make a LOCAL PROFILE on GFWL.

Re:"letting you play previously purchased games." (1)

0123456 (636235) | about a year ago | (#44584659)

You wouldn't have lost access to GTA 4, just your save games. All of which can be avoided if you make a LOCAL PROFILE on GFWL.

You can't play GTA4 without logging into GFWL.

Well, you can, but it runs in some kind of demo mode that won't let you save.

Re:"letting you play previously purchased games." (2)

gl4ss (559668) | about a year ago | (#44584771)

local mode has you logged in... in the no save gfwl mode you're not logged in as local, if you are logged in then the saves do work in gfwl.

it's sort of tricky to get it to that mode, some.. ehm.. unauthorized games copied from the net need you to run through some hoops to install older gfwl client. but it works and then you can make local saves.

that's to say that it's a pretty shitty drm in the end.

one of the problems of ms is that they keep changing this shit around every fucking 12 months. but why have another store if they have a games store for metro shit games? they really fucked up their digital distribution over the past couple of years(and of course for other tools they have yet another download/pay service).

Re:"letting you play previously purchased games." (4, Insightful)

0123456 (636235) | about a year ago | (#44584853)

And this is the kind of crap people love having to deal with when they just want to play a game that's installed on their PC, on their PC.

GFWL is the DRM scheme that makes other DRM schemes look good.

Re:"letting you play previously purchased games." (1)

spire3661 (1038968) | about a year ago | (#44584969)

You can make and log in with LOCAL PROFILEs in GFWL, that never ever go out to the internet. All my GFWL games log in with 'player 1'

Re:"letting you play previously purchased games." (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44585021)

lol, anyone who has tried to install Batman Arkham City on Win 7 / 8 knows this isn't true. Games for Windows Live is as broken as it can be. I have a legit copy on steam, and I still had to crack it in order to play.

Games for Windows (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44584093)

Now, please shut down GFWL and we can all celebrate.

Hopefully the ex-Steam guy can do an Elop on Microsoft, to make them Valve's biatch.

Re: Games for Windows (2)

Mabhatter (126906) | about a year ago | (#44585067)

That was my first thought as well.

The problem with Games on Windows is that Microsoft keeps redeciding that Windows gaming is "second class" to Xbox gaming. The only keep it alive because certain PC games just don't work in a console setup yet. Steam does everything better and isn't "demon spawn incarnate". The founders are all ex-microsofties and the company on the beginning was run just like a "baby Microsoft".

If this guy had business sense at all he'd just close down Microsoft's pitiful attempt and move all their PC games to Steam. Microsoft has way to much NIH Syndrome to let that happen... I guess some lucky guy can happily take their money until they decide to grow up. PC gaming on Windows is a niche product.. They have no intention of ever supporting it properly, but just cannot let it go. Microsoft was almost as laughable trying to deal with outing their software on iPads via the Apple App Store...

Future of Microsoft?!? (2, Insightful)

ackthpt (218170) | about a year ago | (#44584097)

"and let's see if we can whip of a decent clone of Space Invaders."

Really, to make Windows more game friendly kick all that cruft out of it which pre-loads into memory just in case I want to fire up Excel, which I don't have installed and foolishness like that. To be game friendly it needs to be lean, not bloated.

Re:Future of Microsoft?!? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44584537)

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Microsoft DAS FIN (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44584653)

"VERIFIED!"
Activation requirement removal would make Windows more friendly.

"Introducing MAC"
MAC AiR with it's 12HR battery will sell itself. Everybody has an IPad and for everyone else there's the IPhone.
Grand Theft Auto Vice City is probably the best game ever and they have that in the APPStore for under 5 dollars.

"One other thing"
People will follow Steam and it's growing slowly on Ubuntu.

There is not much Microsoft can do but change it's business models to believe in the customer and quit treating them similar to criminals.

Re:Microsoft DAS FIN (1)

ackthpt (218170) | about a year ago | (#44585083)

...

There is not much Microsoft can do but change it's business models to believe in the customer and quit treating them similar to criminals.

They're following the business models of Hollywood and the Music industry - customers are all potential criminals, stupid and must be told what they want and what is good entertainment, would be completely lost without us and must be utterly crushed it we even suspect they are violating anything we view as being with our rights (or just for the heck of it to scare everyone else and keep them in line.)

Even dear old George Lucas took his sweet time releasing Star Wars on DVD until he figured his point, whatever the heck it was, had been made. Then the rotter still made money off them by the deathstarload.

How to make windows great for gaming (0, Troll)

sl4shd0rk (755837) | about a year ago | (#44584153)

1) Remove Windows
2) Install Ubuntu
3) Install Steam

Re:How to make windows great for gaming (-1, Troll)

DogDude (805747) | about a year ago | (#44584215)

You have to do all of that to play that Linux penguin game...?

Re:lame (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44584421)

please try again

Re:How to make windows great for gaming (2)

Beamboom (2692671) | about a year ago | (#44584227)

Dude, that made as much sense as saying, "How to make a car fly: Exit the car and enter a plane". :D

Re:How to make windows great for gaming (1)

captainpanic (1173915) | about a year ago | (#44584681)

Dude, that made as much sense as saying, "How to make a car fly: Exit the car and enter a plane". :D

And I would say that's fantastic advice... I wonder if a car is check-in or cabin baggage...

Re:How to make windows great for gaming (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44584229)

Sounds sortof inferior.

Re:How to make windows great for gaming (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44584487)

To what, exactly?

Re:How to make windows great for gaming (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44584359)

sorry but linux still sucks for gaming, no other way to put it, not only does most of the new games still ONLY come out on microsoft windows, but you would have to flush most of your existing collection down the crapper, wine still only runs about 2 out of 5 games, i own a few hundred PC games, most of them are non-functional in wine and the few that work are very quirky and behave oddly.

The only thing i like about linux is XFCE (makes windows desktop look obsolete), otherwise it seems to be getting as slow as windows these days (more or less behaves like windows, now whether thats windows trying to be linux or linux trying to be windows idk)

Re:How to make windows great for gaming (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44584875)

I think you have a poor understanding of the difference between:

The Linux kernel (not even close to the Windows kernel)
GNU/Linux Operating System/Distributions (Collection of GNU software combined with a Linux kernel)
GNU Software (Most of what you think of as "Linux" is actually GNU software. Users do very little actual interaction with what is called "Linux" (the kernel))
Window Managers (For example, XFCE, GNOME, Unity, KDE)

Re:How to make windows great for gaming (1)

oreiasecaman (2466136) | about a year ago | (#44585777)

Hey wine runs Diablo 3 flawlessly!!

...

well, it had to be said

Re:How to make windows great for gaming (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44584399)

You forgot one.

4) Enjoy only being able to play 1% of games that are on Steam.

Re:How to make windows great for gaming (2)

0123456 (636235) | about a year ago | (#44584469)

Valve need an alternative to Windows now Microsoft are trying to kill their business model with their own 'app store'. So they're convincing more and more game developers to start releasing Linux versions of their games.

Re:How to make windows great for gaming (1)

Beamboom (2692671) | about a year ago | (#44584539)

I was trying to be funny. To "install Ubuntu" is just not an answer to the question "how to make WINDOWS great for gaming", just like "enter a plane" is not the answer to the questions "how to make a car fly". I am a Linux user myself and the day Steam came to Linux was a fantastic day. A majority of the games I currently own on Steam today runs on Linux.

Re:How to make windows great for gaming (1)

Ravaldy (2621787) | about a year ago | (#44584597)

That's just not happening on PC. If you think supporting games on Windows is a nightmare, can't wait to see the whore story that is games on Linux.

Re:How to make windows great for gaming (1)

0123456 (636235) | about a year ago | (#44584683)

That's just not happening on PC. If you think supporting games on Windows is a nightmare, can't wait to see the whore story that is games on Linux.

Steam, I believe, only supports the Ubuntu LTS release, so there's only one version to worry about. Though games may break when the next LTS comes out.

Re:How to make windows great for gaming (1)

ackthpt (218170) | about a year ago | (#44584431)

1) Remove Windows
2) Install Ubuntu
3) Install Steam

You do know you can use those old Windows install CDs/DVDs to play with like a Frisbee or ring toss and such.

even the old 3.1 discs can be stacked like Jenga!

"letting us play" (3, Insightful)

Qzukk (229616) | about a year ago | (#44584157)

I'm thankful I'm being permitted to play the game I bought. Fortunately I only bought one game with that "windows live" abomination strapped onto it.

Joys of DRM.

Re:"letting us play" (5, Informative)

Dins (2538550) | about a year ago | (#44584273)

Simple. Just buy the game you want, then download a cracked version of it and play to your heart's content.

Re:"letting us play" (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44584395)

Simple. Just buy the game you want, then download a cracked version of it and play to your heart's content.

Just download directly the pirate version.
The idea of paying for a crippled useless version only to have to download a pirate copy is just stupid. Bat shit crazy stupid.

Re:"letting us play" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44584445)

Simple. Just buy the game you want, then download a cracked version of it and play to your heart's content.

If I'm finding the game, vetting the downloads by browsing comments, finding the crack, downloading the crack, installing the crack (always a risk), and have no support from the publisher then I'm doing all the work so I'm not going to pay the publisher anything.

For corporate published games sales don't compensate the creative people who worked on the game, they get their salary and are long gone, most of them as soon as the game goes gold. On the off chance the devs have a contract with points on sales return you can be the publisher will do their damndest to weasel out of it.

If the game is good then I'll buy some swag direct from the devs website, write favorable reviews/comments, recommend the game to friends who aren't as savvy, etc.

Re:"letting us play" (1)

Samantha Wright (1324923) | about a year ago | (#44584547)

The work you described is generally small compared to the amount of time you might otherwise spend researching a game to purchase—and it definitely can't make up for the whole price of the game. Moreover, most game torrents come with cracks anyway, and sometimes even patches pre-applied, so I rather question the reality of the arduous labours you describe. (I'm not saying necessarily that the publishers deserve the money, just that your cracking time/effort calculus is suspect.)

Re:"letting us play" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44584925)

I remember when I still had myself convinced that it wasn't wrong that I was stealing.

Re:"letting us play" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44585877)

He isn't saying anything like that.

He's saying if he;s going to be doing all that work to get the game to work, AND STILL BE CONSIDERED A CRIMINAL, then why the hell pay for that privilege as well?

I note that neither of your assholes could answer that.

Re:"letting us play" (3, Interesting)

Hatta (162192) | about a year ago | (#44584785)

That only rewards their wacky DRM schemes. Pirate it and play it, or don't play it at all. Just don't pay for DRM. Ever.

Re:"letting us play" (1)

citizenr (871508) | about a year ago | (#44585587)

I do exactly that with DRMed games, except I skip the buy part.

Re:"letting us play" (4, Funny)

0123456 (636235) | about a year ago | (#44584307)

I'm thankful I'm being permitted to play the game I bought. Fortunately I only bought one game with that "windows live" abomination strapped onto it.

I heard they're going to rename it 'GamesForSure'.

Re:"letting us play" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44584709)

Plays for sure!

Re:"letting us play" (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44584619)

The submitter / slashdot editors intentionally worded the summary that way to get a rise out of you. Don't rise to the troll bait.

The article itself is worded differently and implies that you of course have access to your previously purchased content which was obviously never in question. The summary here however is worded inflammatorily as "at least for now" and "letting you".

Don't make it so easy for people to treat you as a monkey.

Re:"letting us play" (1)

0123456 (636235) | about a year ago | (#44584707)

The summary here however is worded inflammatorily as "at least for now" and "letting you".

You really think that Microsoft -- a company with a proven history of pushing DRM schemes and then turning them off -- are going to keep GFWL running forever when it's so universally reviled that few, if any, new games are using it?

I dont think they ever really wanted to until Win8 (4, Insightful)

Voyager529 (1363959) | about a year ago | (#44584165)

See, The Xbox PC marketplace, the once or twice I used it, was never really a desirable means of doing anything. Every time I tried something, it would only be available on Xbox...because apparently hiding things that can't be used on a PC was an insurmountable task. It didn't seem to do cool things like let you play PC versions of Xbox games you own or save my game of Batman Arkham Asylum that was a GFWL title such that I could pick up where I left off after a format...

It surprises me that Microsoft has traditionally done such a piss poor job of integrating ANYTHING involving gaming or software purchasing into the OS. Maybe now with Win8 they'll take it a bit more seriously, but I'm still shocked they didn't partner with EA years ago and make a windows-integrated service that precluded the necessity of Origin in the first place.

Re:I dont think they ever really wanted to until W (2)

Sockatume (732728) | about a year ago | (#44584277)

Microsoft's various divisions were pitched against each other as internal competitors; all of the gaming talent was in the Xbox console division, but internal politics likely meant that the Windows team could never, ever ask them for help.

Re:I dont think they ever really wanted to until W (1)

Kaenneth (82978) | about a year ago | (#44584389)

Which is essential really.

If MS did integrate a gaming marketplace into Windows that took noticable marketshare from Steam, Origin, etc. they would get sued, just like for IE, WMP, Messenger...

Re:I dont think they ever really wanted to until W (1)

Voyager529 (1363959) | about a year ago | (#44584565)

Which is essential really.

If MS did integrate a gaming marketplace into Windows that took noticable marketshare from Steam, Origin, etc. they would get sued, just like for IE, WMP, Messenger...

I'm not completely convinced of that, depending on how they actually went about it. If they did some sort of exclusivity situation where Xbox Marketplace games couldn't be released on Steam as well, THEN that would be an issue. If Microsoft prohibited Steam from being installed, or using DirectX APIs, THEN there would be solid ground for a lawsuit.

Microsoft simply having a competing product isn't grounds for a lawsuit, even if it's integrated - so far, no lawsuits for Windows Defender or Zip Folders, despite them competing with Symantec and WinRAR, respectively.

Re:I dont think they ever really wanted to until W (2)

mjr167 (2477430) | about a year ago | (#44584313)

Microsoft partnering with EA would be like Bubba partnering with Ray Ray to chase you down in the woods.

Re:I dont think they ever really wanted to until W (1)

Voyager529 (1363959) | about a year ago | (#44584579)

Microsoft partnering with EA would be like Bubba partnering with Ray Ray to chase you down in the woods.

Exactly why I'm surprised it never happened.

Re:I dont think they ever really wanted to until W (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | about a year ago | (#44584375)

It surprises me that Microsoft has traditionally done such a piss poor job of integrating ANYTHING involving gaming or software purchasing into the OS. Maybe now with Win8 they'll take it a bit more seriously, but I'm still shocked they didn't partner with EA years ago and make a windows-integrated service that precluded the necessity of Origin in the first place.

Why does that surprise you? Their history is full of examples of how products that are not traditional Windows or Office are poorly done. For example, Windows Mobile came out years before the iPhone. I was issued one for work, and it was buggy as hell. All the employees just had to deal with the daily and random resets. Some employees purchased their own phones (mostly Blackberries until the iPhone came out) just so they could do email.

Now you see it, now you don't (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44584259)

Typical Microsoft.
Closing something down at little or no notice.

The next incarnation will cost everyone $$$$ just to join.

Re:Now you see it, now you don't (1)

ackthpt (218170) | about a year ago | (#44584465)

Typical Microsoft.
Closing something down at little or no notice.

The next incarnation will cost everyone $$$$ just to join.

Thank you sir, may I have another?!?

It's all about the re-org, consolidation, maintaining a revenue stream and keeping shareholders.

When have Microsoft ever told you that you are Number 1 in their book?

Re:Now you see it, now you don't (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44584545)

When have Microsoft ever told you that you are Number 1 in their book?

"Developers developers developers developers developers developers..."

I happen to be one, you know.

chasing ghosts. (4, Interesting)

nimbius (983462) | about a year ago | (#44584281)

Redmonds day late and dollar short approach to rectifying its inevitable downfall in gaming is cure for the symptom and not for the cause. While Steam announced a radically new direction in gaming thats been clammoured about for ages, Microsoft basically fashioned the next generation console into a prison yard for publishers and a land mine for customers. Damage control be damned, the XBox likely will not play a huge part of 2014's next generation consoles seeing as Sony has not only achieved architectural parity but actually vocalized sympathy and support for gamers in the face of Redmond. Nintendo can make hardware mistakes but its hard to escape the notion that almost every game in their lineup is about fun and rewarding gameplay first.
If gabe is worried about the success of his shift to linux, all he has to do is utter the magic words, "Half Life 3." I'll gladly spend the next 2 days fervently compiling and patching to ensure Gentoo can run it.

Re:chasing ghosts. (1)

intermodal (534361) | about a year ago | (#44584367)

That was me when I found out TF2 was free to play for Linux. It takes a lot to pull me away from more important things like baking bread and playing guitar to go play a game, but as an old TFC player, I couldn't pass up the chance to try out a game that had interested me since I first heard about it (though not enough to deal with Microsoft).

Re:chasing ghosts. (1)

filthpickle (1199927) | about a year ago | (#44584957)

The only shooter that I have fun with every single time I play it. Hell...maybe the only video game altogether that is like that. I do get distracted by new shininess more and more lately though...haven't been playing it much.

Re:chasing ghosts. (1)

intermodal (534361) | about a year ago | (#44584999)

I mostly haven't been playing lately because I'm almost exclusively on a laptop at home, which means everything gets really chunky as soon as the map gets even remotely crowded.

Don't worry... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44584321)

I'm sure they won't do this to the Windows 8 Marketplace.

Re:Don't worry... (2)

ackthpt (218170) | about a year ago | (#44584481)

I'm sure they won't do this to the Windows 8 Marketplace.

That's like telling a cat to stay away from the curtains and expecting it to listen.

Microsoft does this ever couple of years (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44584385)

Microsoft has ZERO internal commitment to gaming on the PC (which obviously doesn't impact third-party games sales), but every few years some optimistic loser manages to persuade the higher management to allow him/her to 'push' PC gaming from an official Microsoft position once again. This frequently coincides with the new console launch, when the PC may get one or two titles that Microsoft is also publishing on said console.

Of course, third party game companies that make PC games are FAR FAR FAR better of ignoring all Microsoft initiatives, and making their code as Microsoft independent as possible (essentially using DirectX and nothing else). Using newer Microsoft APIs beyond DirectX ensures massive incompatibilities between different operating systems (done by MS on purpose to strong-arm upgrades to the latest version of Windows).

Since Microsoft actively began preventing the porting of the Xbox's best exclusives (Halo and Gears of War) to the PC, PC gamers became fully clued in as to Microsoft's true agenda. Microsoft itself has formally PROMISED to prevent its own AAA Xbox One games from appearing as PC versions, and stated that the PC exists only for casual gaming (go Google if you don't believe me).

As for Live in its existing PC game activation form, please stop the FUD- that's going nowhere. Microsoft has clearly promised to ensure every game sold that needs a live connection will get a live connection. Maybe ten years after the last such game is sold, there may be an issue, but no-one is going to have issues using their games in the near future.

PC gaming has never depended on Microsoft, and never will. DirectX was a contribution, but if it had never existed, we would be using a just as good open-standard alternate universe version of something based on Open GL today, just as Open GL ES now exists for the tablets. If Microsoft had EVER been clued in, it would be responsible for the service provided by Valve that we know as 'Steam'. Initially Valve only began the Steam project in frustration that no-one else was doing anything similar in the PC space.

Thankfully, the fact that PC owners will be getting games like GTA V and The Witcher 3 has nothing to do with Microsoft whatsoever.

I hope that if MS trys to go metro only with win 9 (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about a year ago | (#44584499)

They get sued by EA, Valve, GOG, Apogee and others for app store lock in.

Re:I hope that if MS trys to go metro only with wi (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44584769)

Then they should sue Apple for iOS's app store lock in.

Re:I hope that if MS trys to go metro only with wi (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44585299)

Yes, they should. But that's another matter.

Re:Microsoft does this ever couple of years (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44584633)

As for Live in its existing PC game activation form, please stop the FUD- that's going nowhere. Microsoft has clearly promised to ensure every game sold that needs a live connection will get a live connection. Maybe ten years after the last such game is sold, there may be an issue, but no-one is going to have issues using their games in the near future.

It's an issue already, because for many people Live simply doesn't allow them to play the games they bought. Do you think they're going devote resources to fixing the authentication problems now that they've deprecated the whole thing?

Re:Microsoft does this ever couple of years (1)

0123456 (636235) | about a year ago | (#44584723)

As for Live in its existing PC game activation form, please stop the FUD- that's going nowhere.

As for PlaysForSure in its existing form, please stop the FUD - that's going nowhere.

Always complainers (2, Insightful)

Ravaldy (2621787) | about a year ago | (#44584559)

The way I see it, MS could write everybody on /. a $10 000 cheque and slashdotters would turn around and say it wasn't done right. Just cause it's MS.

Re:Always complainers (1)

interval1066 (668936) | about a year ago | (#44584763)

There is that. But really, any large corp that offers you a service with an implied "oh, your stuff is safe with us" and then shuts down the service is begging for redicule, if an indictment. To big to fail, to big to follow the law, I guess. Yeah, I'm complaining.

Re:Always complainers (2)

guttentag (313541) | about a year ago | (#44585053)

No, we would say it wasn't done right because because the check would be drawn on the Windows Xbox Developers Kinect Connection Development Bank and made out for $10.00 in Windows 8 Xbox Windows Gamerscore points, which would only be redeemable through the "Windows RT Xbox Games Bing Banking -- Live app" that is easy to to use once you find it on your Windows RT Pro Home Edition that no one bought even at below-cost prices. Because that's what Microsoft does. It has some serious fragmentation and naming convention issues... which is what happens when people have to stand in meetings because the CEO broke all the chairs.

Seriously... "Xbox.com PC Marketplace?" Does that sell PCs or Xboxes? Is that on the Xbox or a Web site?

Re:Always complainers (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44585447)

Windows Office Visual MSN Live Bing .Net 2014 Home Basic Premium RT Pro

Occasionally they do something simple and memorable like SkyDrive, but most of the time MS names are word salad taken from names of other MS products.

Re:Always complainers (4, Informative)

Nyder (754090) | about a year ago | (#44585607)

The way I see it, MS could write everybody on /. a $10 000 cheque and slashdotters would turn around and say it wasn't done right. Just cause it's MS.

You must be new, oh yes, I can see by your 2.6 Million UID that you are. Let me give you a clue. MS has been making products and dropping support for those products for quite awhile. See, MS had ADHD. They can't pay attention, so they miss the trends until they are already happening. Then they try to play catch up, but since they can't focus worth shit, they lose interest again.

You know how many times they have had a PC Gaming Initiative? About every 5 years. How long do they last? One set of games being released, if that. And even that is to promote something else. Halo & Shadowrun? Remember those? Had to have Vista to run them because they required Direct X 10? MS was pushing Vista & Direct X 10, telling peeps they were there for PC gaming. And yet those 2 games, with a small hack, could run just fine on XP because they didn't use DX 10, they used DX 9.

I'm not even going to into the features that MS always promises for new OS's that never make it. Or how they will focus to take over a market, then let it sit (Web Browsers is a good example of this. They fought tooth and nail to beat Netscape, then once they did, sat on IE6 for years without updates.

No, I don't like MS. They have a history of being twats and most of us know it.

I don't know whether to laugh at MS or congratulat (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44584623)

There's really only a couple of obvious responses to this news (as well as some SERIOUS consternation re: the short notice. WTF is up with that?)

First: It's been a long time since Windows has been good for anything besides gaming. Glad to see MS catching up with reality.

Second: Like other posters above have noted - install Ubuntu, install Steam, and game to your hearts content. MS is about to lose it's hold on the only thing keeping Windows relevant.

It could be (easily) argued that MS Office software is what keeps MS alive, but those days are quickly fading, especially considering the reception of Win8...

Bye bye Windows, it was nice knowing you. Don't worry, I'll still keep you virtualized for a few games that won't run anywhere else.

Current GfWL Steam (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44584751)

Actually, nearly anything beats Steam, that would include uPlay and Origin. Seriously, all 3 clients are superior. Steam is the only one not playing ball by not letting you integrate all your friends lists (though MS is partially at fault for this, PSN friends should be available too).

Unless you really think achievements are the one and only consideration resulting in "good" (and MS is still beating Steam's implementation of those) Steam has the absolute worst client on the market.

Steam doesn't even have the best sales anymore, the various indie bundles and Amazon regularly destroy them. Exactly what has Steam done right in the last few years besides their token Linux efforts (which are still laughable, unless they start cranking out first party titles at a good clip again)?

Finally, MS has never taken PC gaming seriously? Really? They owned Ensemble studios and a bunch of others that have cranked out some of the most important games in PC gaming histroy, (e.g. Age of Empires, AOK, Mechwarrior IV, etc.).

Microsoft always abandons everything (1)

kbg (241421) | about a year ago | (#44584793)

I always thought games relying on Games for Windows Live was stupid, because it is unavoidable that Microsoft will abandon that like all products and services that they create, and then what will happen with all the games that use that? They will no longer work.

Re:Microsoft always abandons everything (1)

Nyder (754090) | about a year ago | (#44585621)

I always thought games relying on Games for Windows Live was stupid, because it is unavoidable that Microsoft will abandon that like all products and services that they create, and then what will happen with all the games that use that? They will no longer work.

Then thank your god(s) for the pirate scene, preserving games for the long haul.

 

Is this the game portal used by Windows 8? (1)

msobkow (48369) | about a year ago | (#44584795)

If this is the game portal used by Windows 8, then MicroSquishy really hasn't got a clue. That was the one feature of WIndows 8 that my folks liked.

Windows is already great (1)

Stan92057 (737634) | about a year ago | (#44584871)

Windows is already great for gaming in fact better then great so what are they really trying to do?

Re:Windows is already great (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44585165)

I believe they were trying to squeeze an extra buck out of you by creating an app store for games that they could take a cut of. I mean, you've got all these people just sitting there USING Windows, and NOONE is paying Microsoft for that pleasure. I mean, you know, other than the initial purchase of Windows for $200-$400 dollars.

Re:Windows is already great (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44585747)

Windows 8 (OEM) is $89...FUD.

stupid microsoft (1)

Cammi (1956130) | about a year ago | (#44585943)

Shut it down with no replacement... stupid microsoft.
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