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Canadian Military Developing Stealth Snowmobile

samzenpus posted about a year ago | from the quite-as-the-snow dept.

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innocent_white_lamb writes "The Canadian military is currently testing a $620,000 hybrid-electric stealth snowmobile. Testing includes speed, towing capacity, endurance, mobility, usability, and of course, noise emissions. The testing and most other information about the stealth snowmobile is secret and very little information has been released other than the fact that it does exist. One document reads 'The noise level of an internal combustion engine cannot be reduced to an acceptable level for missions where covertness may be required, especially given the increased propagation of sound in cold, dry, Arctic air.' Therefore, National Defence's research agency is 'pursuing the development of a "silent" snowmobile for winter operations in Canada, specifically in the Arctic.' Michael Byers, an Arctic policy expert, questions the need for a stealth snowmobile. 'I don't see a whole lot of evidence that criminals and terrorists are scooting around Canada's North on snowmobiles and that we have to sneak up on them,' he said."

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Canada soon invades the US (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44603319)

Watch out! I hear their hockey sticks will be killer!

Re:Canada soon invades the US (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44604029)

you joke, but most of us would be willing if our government sanctioned it.

i know more than a few hundreds fellow canadians that would love the opportunity to burn your white house down again

Re:Canada soon invades the US (2)

ebno-10db (1459097) | about a year ago | (#44604341)

i know more than a few hundreds fellow canadians that would love the opportunity to burn your white house down again

Don't flatter yourself. That was the British, who were your masters.

Re:Canada soon invades the US (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44604375)

who were your masters.

still are our masters tyvm,

Re:Canada soon invades the US (1)

gagol (583737) | about a year ago | (#44604769)

Not really, no. The Queen have a delegate who have no power what-so-ever and is subject to very strict budget control, even if disabled.

Re:Canada soon invades the US (5, Funny)

Khashishi (775369) | about a year ago | (#44604203)

Don't worry, we are already working on a defense, called global warming.

They did the impossible! (5, Funny)

Dj Stingray (178766) | about a year ago | (#44603357)

Step 1.

Paint it white.

Step 2.

Have a beer eh!

Where's the beaver ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44603793)

Show yer beaver, Canajians !!

Re:They did the impossible! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44603911)

Canadian Military it self being as stealthy as can be, anything it makes should be stealthy, no?

Re:They did the impossible! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44604555)

Canada FUCK YEAH!

Three Canadians are in a boat fishing (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44603363)

One of them falls in and sinks. Another one goes in and pulls him back into the boat and starts giving him mouth-to-mouth. He stops and says "Phew! I don't remember Stosh smelling this bad!". And the other one says, "Yeah, and I don't remember him wearing a snowmobile suit, either."

Re:Three Canadians are in a boat fishing (3, Interesting)

AJWM (19027) | about a year ago | (#44603891)

Not entirely unbelievable. A dive buddy of mine was doing some part time commercial dive work. One spring he was helping inspect the cooling water intakes for a steam plant in downtown Ottawa, near the river. Guess what he found up against one of the gratings. Yeah, a guy who'd gone through the ice on a snowmobile that winter.

Put him right off diving for a while, it did.

Re:Three Canadians are in a boat fishing (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44604169)

Or one of those trying to do those snowmobile water skipping stunts? See plenty of those on youtube - successful and unsuccessful.

Re:Three Canadians are in a boat fishing (5, Funny)

VortexCortex (1117377) | about a year ago | (#44604209)

He found it grating, eh?

Tonight on Top Gear (3, Funny)

Velex (120469) | about a year ago | (#44603371)

I attempt to cross Nunavut in a Range Rover. Captain Slow takes a rather novel approach. And Hammond uses a state of the art stealth /snow mobile/. Tonight on Top Gear. *cue theme*

Re:Tonight on Top Gear (3, Funny)

Shadow of Eternity (795165) | about a year ago | (#44603421)

And then halfway through they completely fake the snowmobile failing and spend the rest of the episode poo pooing it over something that never actually happened.

Re:Tonight on Top Gear (1)

Velex (120469) | about a year ago | (#44603501)

Nicely played, sir.

Re:Tonight on Top Gear (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44603507)

What is it like to suck Elon Musk's cock? Do you get half way in then get freaked out, thinking, "What a minute. His name is Elon...." or do you slurp all the way to the finish and wipe your chin, saying, "Mmmm.... best South African I ever tasted."?

Re:Tonight on Top Gear (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44603627)

What is it like to suck Elon Musk's cock? Do you get half way in then get freaked out, thinking, "What a minute. His name is Elon...." or do you slurp all the way to the finish and wipe your chin, saying, "Mmmm.... best South African I ever tasted."?

Why don't you tell us?

Re: Tonight on Top Gear (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44603697)

Sounds like you have a lot of experience sucking on the top gear hosts' dicks so why don't you tell us?

Re:Tonight on Top Gear (2)

VortexCortex (1117377) | about a year ago | (#44604273)

wipe your chin, saying, "Mmmm.... best South African I ever tasted."?

I find your implication that connoisseur status be awarded those fond of fellatio to be enlightening. Perhaps making possible reality TV mashups where sex acts are constructed and sampled a-la Iron Chef. Oh sure, like any porn, it's all staged... That's the point though isn't it? Illuminating that vehicle porn is just as hokey as slice-of-life porn (reality TV), or any other such media with the label of porn.

See also: Geek Porn, like Myth Busters... Who's faux science is more fun to watch than anything. There's nothing wrong with that, but let's not kid ourselves here.

Or, perhaps you mean to liken a blow job to a form of praise... Ah yes, that does explains a few priestly pedophiles, though the victims never quite share the same vantage point of worship as the deranged who cause such acts. Now, that's not to say you've the mentality of a pedophile, but since we're making the analogies so fast and loose I'd say it's hard not to make the shoe fit.

Has Sarah Palin been alerted? (2)

Snufu (1049644) | about a year ago | (#44603373)

Commies to her right, stealth snowmobiles to her left. Does DEFCON go to 11?

Re:Has Sarah Palin been alerted? (4, Funny)

NoNonAlphaCharsHere (2201864) | about a year ago | (#44603455)

No, but her IQ does.

Re:Has Sarah Palin been alerted? (1)

LifesABeach (234436) | about a year ago | (#44604219)

The tragic fact is, Sarah quit and went away; "you betcha. 8D"

Re:Has Sarah Palin been alerted? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44604435)

I just can't understand why it's so fashionable among Lefties to hate on her.

If she did something bad I would understand. Is that what pisses you off? That there's no real skeleton in her closet? Like you've been cheated out of a REAL reason to hate her so you have to make them up? Maybe it makes you feel superior? I just don't get it.

What did she do to you to earn your ire?

Re:Has Sarah Palin been alerted? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44604705)

> I just can't understand why it's so fashionable among Lefties to hate on her.

Her family is the kardashians of national politics.

Really hard working (yes the kardshasians work their asses off behind the scenes for their little empire), trades mostly on their looks and completely empty-headed when it comes to anything besides the pursuit of fame and fortune.

Palin does deserve credit for (mostly) putting the oil companies back in their box in Alaska. They were taking obscene advantage of public natural resources before she came into office. With the Murkoswskis out, Palin reduced that exploitation to nearly reasonable levels. But once that was handled she had nothing left to do, so idle hands and all that...

Re:Has Sarah Palin been alerted? (1)

NoNonAlphaCharsHere (2201864) | about a year ago | (#44604897)

Ya see??? That's "what's wrong with this country these days", tards can't tell the difference between "hating on" retards and "making fun" of retards.

Re:Has Sarah Palin been alerted? (1)

jamstar7 (694492) | about a year ago | (#44604473)

No, but her IQ does.

No, it doesn't. How she retained enough brains to keep breathing is beyond me.

Re:Has Sarah Palin been alerted? (1)

CastrTroy (595695) | about a year ago | (#44604009)

If I'm mistaken, Sarah Palin is in Alaska. That would put the Commies (Russian, I guess China more recently) on her left, and the stealth snowmobile on her right. I guess that's assuming she's facing north. But as far as maps go, that's usually the way things are oriented.

Snow Mobile (1)

Meoshewu24 (3017453) | about a year ago | (#44603375)

I hope the Mounties gets first dibs!

Re:Snow Mobile (2)

Hamsterdan (815291) | about a year ago | (#44604697)

Easier than breeding stealth horses...

Cross Country Skiing (1)

Ukab the Great (87152) | about a year ago | (#44603389)

has been used for arctic warfare for hundreds of years as a cheap, effective way of stealthily moving a snowy environment. Hopefully the stealth sled won't ruin those capabilities.

Re:Cross Country Skiing (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year ago | (#44603497)

has been used for arctic warfare for hundreds of years as a cheap, effective way of stealthily moving a snowy environment. Hopefully the stealth sled won't ruin those capabilities.

Presumably they want something faster and with greater cargo capacity(with the expensive-but-punchy missiles you can get these days, a tank-killer wouldn't be out of the question), or with better margins for the contractor. Maybe both.

Re:Cross Country Skiing (1)

AK Marc (707885) | about a year ago | (#44604003)

Plus, you can tow 10 skiers behind a snowmobile. And a dog team seems to meet most of your requirements. Depending on the size of missile you can strap to a dog.

Re:Cross Country Skiing (2)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year ago | (#44604127)

Plus, you can tow 10 skiers behind a snowmobile. And a dog team seems to meet most of your requirements. Depending on the size of missile you can strap to a dog.

In Soviet Russia [wikipedia.org] , if you have the dog and the warhead you can skip the missile...

Re:Cross Country Skiing (1)

Arker (91948) | about a year ago | (#44604049)

Arctic troops have been dragging anti-tank weapons around on sleds since... well the first time the Russians showed up in Finland with tanks. In the winter war they used a 20mm lahti which weighs about 150lbs with a few rounds of ammo on the sled. Modern anti-tank missile systems like the Spike weigh in the same class or less, and arctic troops are already familiar with transporting them on sleds.

Re:Cross Country Skiing (1)

LifesABeach (234436) | about a year ago | (#44604225)

The Fin's used bicycles to the regret of the oncoming Russians.

Re:Cross Country Skiing (1)

Ocker3 (1232550) | about a year ago | (#44604505)

It's not snow-related, but the Japanese used Lots of bicycles to move infantry quickly through certain parts of Asia

Re:Cross Country Skiing (2)

techno-vampire (666512) | about a year ago | (#44604365)

Cross-country skiing also takes a fair amount of training and practice, and there are going to be times when somebody you need on your team doesn't have either the skill or the time to learn it. Having some quiet way to get them where they need to be sounds like a good idea.

Re:Cross Country Skiing (4, Interesting)

gandhi_2 (1108023) | about a year ago | (#44604121)

I dunno if you have any experience pulling an ahkio sled for several miles with a squad in rucks and overwhites, but it freaking SUCKS. Tennis rackets or white rockets, it doesn't matter, it is an awful experience. There has been no experience in my life (which has experienced some exhausting things) that made me more exhausted.

When some Canadian "Arctic policy expert" opines that no one needs a small, quiet, efficient prime mover because of a lack of "terrorists", I am reminded why no one asks "Arctic policy experts" about military matters. Same reason I don't ask soldiers about environmental policy.

Re:Cross Country Skiing (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44604451)

I dunno if you have any experience pulling an ahkio sled for several miles with a squad in rucks and overwhites, but it freaking SUCKS. Tennis rackets or white rockets, it doesn't matter, it is an awful experience. There has been no experience in my life (which has experienced some exhausting things) that made me more exhausted.

When some Canadian "Arctic policy expert" opines that no one needs a small, quiet, efficient prime mover because of a lack of "terrorists", I am reminded why no one asks "Arctic policy experts" about military matters. Same reason I don't ask soldiers about environmental policy.

So you were dumb enough to serve various corporate and banking interests by becoming their hired killer and now we are supposed to trust YOUR opinion?

A Western military hasn't attacked a foreign nation because it was a true threat since WWII and even that was another banker's war. But you do need your Immanuel Goldsteins don't you? Can't grab those broad sweeping new powers without them. Without them and people like you, that is.

Just remember (1)

Sarin (112173) | about a year ago | (#44603399)

All efforts are lost if you're carrying your iPhone on a stealth-snowmobile. (It's a sticker)

"Expert" ? (4, Insightful)

arisvega (1414195) | about a year ago | (#44603405)

Michael Byers, an Arctic policy expert, questions the need for a stealth snowmobile. 'I don't see a whole lot of evidence that criminals and terrorists are scooting around Canada's North on snowmobiles and that we have to sneak up on them,'

Then Michael Byers is not quite the expert: when the ice cap in the North Pole shrinks or disappears completely, [wikipedia.org] a whole new theater will come into play. Claims have already been filed for integration of the North Arctic Ocean into their exclusive economic zones from several countries, including Canada. [wikipedia.org]

Re:"Expert" ? (2)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year ago | (#44603475)

That might be why he said 'criminals and terrorists'.

If the various other disputed aquatic zones are anything to go by, it's a lot of dick waving and diplomatic grandstanding, the occasional shootout between somebody's probably-illegal fishing boat and somebody else's quite-possibly-trigger-happy coast guard, and not too much else.

There's a first time for everything, of course, but it'd have to be a pretty juicy territorial claim to be worth getting into an actual war over.

Re:"Expert" ? (1)

AHuxley (892839) | about a year ago | (#44603661)

Some pretty juicy contracts are floating around too for a new version of the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distant_Early_Warning_Line [wikipedia.org]
http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/darpa-wants-ultimate-technology-sensor-network-monitor-vast-arctic [networkworld.com] (03/20/12)
"DARPA wants the ultimate technology, sensor network to monitor the vast Arctic"
Under-ice awareness, surface awareness, unmanned autonomous systems, anti-submarine warfare - guess Canada is doing its part with snowmobile upgrades.

Re:"Expert" ? (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about a year ago | (#44603893)

And you're gonna be damned glad they have that technology when this new uber-smart network becomes self aware, taps into the local cable feed and decides that it better stomp out the human race before something really bad happens.

You'll definitely want a stealth snowmobile. Mark my words.

Re:"Expert" ? (1)

AK Marc (707885) | about a year ago | (#44604011)

How about an USV Unmanned Snow Vehicle? They are part of Skynet. The only safe place to be is somewhere without snow. Everyone, to Qatar!.

Re:"Expert" ? (2)

Immerman (2627577) | about a year ago | (#44603803)

How many of those disputed aquatic zones contain some of the richest untapped oil deposits on the planet? Not to mention extremely lucrative new trade routes.

Make no mistake, there's going to be some serious guns brought to play in the fight to claim this newly accessible territory, both metaphorical and quite possibly literal.

Re:"Expert" ? (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about a year ago | (#44603899)

Umm, que joke about not bringing a snowmobile to a gun fight?

Re:"Expert" ? (1)

dbIII (701233) | about a year ago | (#44604559)

How many of those disputed aquatic zones contain some of the richest untapped oil deposits on the planet?

We don't actually know because it's difficult to do a marine seismic survey when there is ice getting in the way.

Re:"Expert" ? (4, Insightful)

quantaman (517394) | about a year ago | (#44603849)

It's not about a war. It's about establishing sovereignty, and to maintain control over a territory you need to be police it.

The northwest passage is a big issue over whether it's international waters or Canadian waters. Not just because of potential oil drilling or fishing, but shipping is a big issue. It's a lot easier to ensure the shipping is done safely so a ton of oil isn't dumped on our coastline if we can police the waters. Security is also a concern as there's a lot of unpopulated places for smugglers to drop cargo or illegal immigrants.

A military grade stealth snowmobile is part of the bigger picture, it makes it easier to patrol the territory and search for smugglers or other criminals as well as shows we're taking that part of our territory seriously.

Re:"Expert" ? (2)

gagol (583737) | about a year ago | (#44604891)

Dude, the Far Canadian North is NOT used for smuggling anything in the country, it is just not economical. You also have to move the stuff to consumer centers. As we speak, you need to transit via Greenland by plane to reach the far north, and you cen expect delays if there is a storm on the way.

Re:"Expert" ? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44603785)

Your reading comprehension needs work. People are well aware of that motivation, especially in Canada.

It still doesn't mean it's an issue usefully addressed by a stealth snowmobile, which was Byers' point. It would make a lot more sense to deploy, say, ice-capable military ships (Canada doesn't really have any, yet), subs that can actually work under ice (the very modest Canadian sub fleet is diesel, and ill-suited for polar work), or long-endurance manned planes and/or aerial drones. The biggest problem in the Canadian Arctic is the sheer distance and the endurance required to cross it in harsh conditions. Snowmobiles are useful, but over short distances. They are still logistically challenging because you have to get them there, get fuel in place, they have to work in tough conditions, be maintainable, etc. The technology is pretty well developed for internal combustion engined ones. Will a stealth snowmobile help with any of these practical issues? I doubt it. Maybe if it's a whole lot more fuel efficient, reliable, or something like that. But if it isn't *way* beyond the normal specs somehow and still as reliable or better than a normal one (especially for $600k!!!!), then I can't see the point either. Who cares about "stealth" capability if it has half the range or is more tempermental (for example). To me this thing doens't make any more sense than a military-grade stealth Zamboni.

Re:"Expert" ? (1)

Sarten-X (1102295) | about a year ago | (#44604185)

They're Canadian carrier-based fighters, but probably without the fighting.

Considering the sheer size of Canada's thermally-hostile northern regions, patrolling a territory with anything ground-based is impractical because of the amount of space to cover, and patrolling from the air leaves too long a delay between seeing something suspicious and being able to investigate it. What's effective is a combined force, using aircraft to survey the landscape for anything suspicious, and using ground craft for targeted investigation.

Of course, ground vehicles offer poor choices. You get to pick two qualities, of fast, quiet, or maneuverable. By the time a Canadian patrol arrives at the site, the potential enemy has already had a chance to prepare for the arrival. A stealth snowmobile with an electric motor, careful design, and an appropriate paint job, would be able to observe a target without being detected, once the aircraft gives it a destination. It can also be carried on a larger vehicle, allowing it to cover more of the aircraft's territory.

That is, I suspect, the ultimate goal: A small team of 2-6 people, driving a rugged transport across the rough terrain, periodically launching a drone to spot targets, then making sorties on one or two stealth snowmobiles to check out anything of particular interest. From a single unit, Canada can maintain reconnaissance over a fairly large territory.

Re:"Expert" ? (2)

techno-vampire (666512) | about a year ago | (#44604421)

It seems likely that the stealth snowmobile would only be used for the last leg of any journey, or at least you wouldn't need the stealth mode until you got rather close. I can easily see a mission plan that has the team fly in from wherever's appropriate, land outside of any possible observation and use the snowmobile with stealth off (for greater speed) until they're almost close enough to be heard, then turn on the stealth for the final approach. In fact, it might be a case of several regular snowmobiles carrying supplies, personnel and one stealthed snowmobile being towed to a fairly close location where they set up a forward base so that the strike team doesn't have to carry enough supplies to make it back on their own. It may sound more cumbersome, but it gives the team a much better chance of escape if they only have to have enough fuel to get back to their base.

Re:"Expert" ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44604515)

To me this thing doens't make any more sense than a military-grade stealth Zamboni.

I think you're underestimating the importance of hockey.

Re:"Expert" ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44604629)

If we did it Hunger Games style in an arena, yeah. But with global warming I'm afraid the days of military Zambonis are numbered.

Really? (1)

meerling (1487879) | about a year ago | (#44603415)

I guess they painted it white and put a muffler on it. :D

Well, if you wanted it quiet, I don't think a muffler would really do it.
I suspect you'd have to put in a completely different engine.
I'm not giving a large probability to a pure electric for two reasons:
. . First, most batteries don't seem to do that well in the really cold environments. You know, like Canada and Alaska, among many others.
. . Second, batteries, especially ones designed for really cold places, just wouldn't give it much range, which would be a vital concern for the locations you'd primarily be using a snowmobile.

Re:Really? (2)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about a year ago | (#44603923)

Probably end up with a small internal combustion engine generator of some sort feeding and electric motor. Shouldn't be too hard to muffle the noise if you can keep the RPMs down to a reasonable range. I'm not sure how you block the IR signature. Any combustion based motor is going to bright lite a FLIR system. Maybe the Canadians will get clever - use it to heat beer* (or is that just the English?).

*Beer is consumed, IR blocked by body and whatever insulation the human is wearing. Added bonus is that course becomes more random over time, confusing targeting systems.

Re:Really? (1)

AK Marc (707885) | about a year ago | (#44604053)

In the snow, it would be easily identifiable on FLIR with a battery/electric system and a human sitting on it. In a snowmobile, the tread throwing snow on the radiator helps cool it, so long use on a packed trail could cause over-heating. The same thing could be considered for a stealth machine. Have it kick up snow to cover the engine, exhaust, and rider, so there's always an insulating covering of snow, which would go far in hiding one from FLIR. I've not ever messed with one, but my understanding is that they are designed to pick out people and such. Picking out the 0 C snow from -20 C snow is not how they are calibrated, so currently would not show up. But a reasonably quick re-tune of the FLIR would result in better results.

Re:Really? (1)

Dereck1701 (1922824) | about a year ago | (#44604487)

"I'm not sure how you block the IR signature"

Probably the same way aircraft deal with limiting their thermal signature, they pull in air and mix it with their jet exhaust. I believe they also try to extend some bulkheads or cowlings over the engines to prevent them, or the exhaust immediately exiting the engine, from being directly seen. And not that I particular like the hybrid-electric rig for a snowmobile, but pairing a rather small but efficient electric generator (running gas/diesel/kerosene/etc) with some super-capacitors (which I don't believe lose performance in cold weather) and an electric engine would make a halfway decent stealth snowmobile.

I'm all for it (1)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about a year ago | (#44603433)

As long as they don't have to cancel the F-35 contract to fund it... :-/

Re:I'm all for it (3, Insightful)

WoodenTable (1434059) | about a year ago | (#44603679)

I hope they do decide against the F-35 contract. It's ridiculously overpriced for our military, especially given that the F-35s aren't even all that well designed for frozen-weather operations.

Personally, I think Boeing's Super Hornets are a much better offer [www.cbc.ca] . Half the projected price, bigger control surfaces for easier landings on ice and better agility in the air, and two engines so that if one stalls in the cold the other can keep the plane going.

Re:I'm all for it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44603969)

They are getting ready for that "cold day in hell" when criminals or terrorists actually try to steal the north pole.

Watch out Alaska! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44603439)

Canadians are the mexicans of the north!

Stealth schmealth (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44603461)

This is a totally ridiculous waste of money.

We need to start developing stealth moose STAT!

Re:Stealth schmealth (3, Insightful)

Dahamma (304068) | about a year ago | (#44603493)

Stealth moose already exist. And they can be more effective at taking out an unsuspecting vehicle than a Predator drone...

Re:Stealth schmealth (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44603611)

If Sarah Palin can find them, they can't be THAT stealthy...

Re:Stealth schmealth (1)

ebno-10db (1459097) | about a year ago | (#44604401)

If Sarah Palin can find them, they can't be THAT stealthy...

You don't get it. After living around Sarah Palin, that moose decided to commit suicide.

Re: Stealth schmealth (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44603633)

Nah. Stealth beer!

Positives (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44603465)

It's always nice when militaries do their part for the environment. Lead by example, also in the issues sounding to the community you work in. Please excuse the pound.

Bow before the power! (1)

Sponge Bath (413667) | about a year ago | (#44603481)

After the dual poutine cannons find their mark, targets will feel sluggish and satisfied. Canuck tech rules the globe.

Here's a tip to move this along... (1)

djupedal (584558) | about a year ago | (#44603483)

Paint it white....just don't you canucks forget where you park it.

Re:Here's a tip to move this along... (1)

JustOK (667959) | about a year ago | (#44603629)

The money was spent finding the right shade of white.

Re:Here's a tip to move this along... (1)

Beardo the Bearded (321478) | about a year ago | (#44603953)

Actually, the frigates are a specific colour of grey to hide optically in Canadian waters.

From a distance you can't see them.

Greetings from the Frozen North. (1)

WoodenTable (1434059) | about a year ago | (#44603559)

I have mod points, but dangit, I just have to say this:

I live in Canada, and I LOVE our government's goofy dedication to making sure we retain military capabilities in the frozen north. (bit less happy with everything else the gov does, but ehhhh, politics)

Stealth snowmobile? FUND IT! More Icebreakers? FUND IT! New ice-base in the Arctic Circle? DO YOU EVEN NEED TO ASK?!

Honestly, it beats the heck out of invading Iraq.

The story is a bit misleading, by the way. $640,000 is the cost of the development contract, not the price per machine (which will be significantly lower, obviously).

Re: Greetings from the Frozen North. (1)

peragrin (659227) | about a year ago | (#44603645)

Not to be mean but the USA exported some government procurement accountants to Canada. That is why Canada spent $250 million modifying an ice breaker design that they bought the plans for $20 million for a boat most shipyards spend $100 million building.

$640,000 to design it but each sled will cost $3 million and require a $1 million dollars annually for maintence.

By the way thank you for purchasing our exported talent.

Re: Greetings from the Frozen North. (5, Informative)

AJWM (19027) | about a year ago | (#44603917)

By the way thank you for purchasing our exported talent.

Just repayment for all those ex-Avro aerospace engineers that helped put Apollo on the moon.

Re: Greetings from the Frozen North. (2)

dbIII (701233) | about a year ago | (#44604651)

$250 million modifying an ice breaker design that they bought the plans for $20 million for a boat most shipyards spend $100 million building.

There's one government near me that's spent more than all that put together try to fix an IBM provided payroll system.

Re:Greetings from the Frozen North. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44604661)

$620k (I know, I know, it should be $640k just for the lols) would buy a lot of regular snowmobiles, and apparently it's been a struggle to get enough of the regular ones to the relevant military units. I'm all for developing cool stuff too, but if it means the military doesn't get the regular stuff that they need right *now*, then the priorities are whacked. It's like the F-35 -- one damn cool plane, if it worked, but given the problems and the cost we'd probably be a hell of a lot better off just buying Super Hornets at half the cost, sooner delivery, and twice the engines (single-engine in the far North just seems like a bad idea). I don't think the military should work with crap second-rate gear, but a weapon in the hand is worth two in the lab.

As long as it has... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44603621)

frickin' laser beams I'm OK with it.

Well, of course . . . (1)

hduff (570443) | about a year ago | (#44603635)

You don't poke a turd without getting shit on your finger,

Re:Well, of course . . . (1)

hduff (570443) | about a year ago | (#44603695)

Wrong thread . . . . 8(

When they invade Minnesota... (1)

wbr1 (2538558) | about a year ago | (#44603657)

What will be said is, "Sooo, you didn't hear us coming, sorry, eh."

$620,000 U.S. (1)

freeasinrealale (928218) | about a year ago | (#44603715)

($640,000 CAN) ought be enough for eveybody to have one eh?

Snowden-mobile !!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44603743)

Yeah, more fast and secure that nSSaSSmobile.

This has got to be a joke (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44603773)

I am waiting for Rick Moranis to show up.

I am just so proud of my government right now... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44603941)

I can't even describe it. It's a feeling of visualizing my tax dollars being fed to a guy in a quanza hut working on the snowmobile, with large flakes of snow falling, and at least one or two two-four's of Canadian being slowly consumed late into the night, with Neil Young music playing in the background.

In relared news ... (1)

PPH (736903) | about a year ago | (#44604047)

... the Canadian Armed Forces have undertaken a $2.5 million dollar (CDN) program to develop a tuque not visible from space.

Take into account... (2)

XB-70 (812342) | about a year ago | (#44604299)

April Fool's is actually celebrated August 18th in Canada.

Test your gullibility! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44604377)

I call bullshit.
$620,000.00 for testing maybe.
  620 grand for the snowmobile itself?
No way.

Hybrid-Electric? (1)

Dereck1701 (1922824) | about a year ago | (#44604413)

A hybrid-electric snowmobile seems a bit excessive if you're just trying to make it more stealthy. Switching up from a two cycle to a four cycle, adding some soundproofing and extending the muffler system would make one pretty quiet but not cost much as most of it would be off the shelf tech and would probably extend the range by using a more efficient engine and keeping the weight low. You're going to lose a bit of performance but that is always to be expected when going for stealth.

not RADAR stealthy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44604493)

In that flat terrain, stealth MUST include radar stealth. Apparently not:
"Soldiers wielding a radar gun also tested the stealth snowmobile's acceleration as it raced 100 metres"

Snowmobiles are incredibly noisy. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44604507)

They use expansion chambers to boost their power, (a number of small engines do this, this is why, in theory at least, why so many motorcycles are so noisy).

Also, for anyone wondering about the lack of specificity about the engine type, it is a military project, so of course they are keeping a lot of the information to themselves.

dHolL (-1)

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Value for money ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44604829)

I just know it will be worth all those tax dollars as soon as our military wizards work out a few issues ... for example right now it's just too exhausting for the dogs to pull it for more than 1/8 mile or so..

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