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Big MOOC On Campus: Georgia Tech's $6,600 MS In CS

samzenpus posted about a year ago | from the discount-learning dept.

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theodp writes "Next January, writes the NYT's Tamar Lewin, the Georgia Institute of Technology plans to partner with Udacity and AT&T to offer a master's degree in CS through massive open online courses for a fraction of the on-campus cost. Georgia Tech's Online Master of Science in Computer Science can be had for $6,600 — far less than the $45,000 on-campus price. The courses will be online and free for those not seeking a degree; those in the degree program will take proctored exams and have access to tutoring, online office hours and other support. AT&T, which ponied up a $2 million donation, will use the program to train employees and find potential hires. Initial enrollment will be limited to a few hundred students recruited from AT&T and Georgia Tech corporate affiliates. Zvi Galil, the dean of the university's College of Computing, expects that the program could attract up to 10,000 students annually, many from outside the U.S. 'Online, there's no visa problem,' he said."

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Bourgeois society is decaying into barbarism (1)

For a Free Internet (1594621) | about a year ago | (#44603779)

These people trade in mass murder from Napalm to Plutonium. The lords of profit want to drag us back into a new dark ages. Only the dictatorship of the proletariat can save us. Cowabunga!

DI NOT PAY for this DEGREE in BITCOINS! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44604275)

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Mod parent up! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44604285)

I did not know these truths...

Re:DI NOT PAY for this DEGREE in BITCOINS! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44604411)

Are you cereal?

Returning start-up drop outs? (3, Interesting)

rubypossum (693765) | about a year ago | (#44603781)

Such as myself, I wonder if it's worth getting the degree? I'm already a partner at a start-up and a decent coder. Is it worth it?

Re:Returning start-up drop outs? (5, Insightful)

Nerdfest (867930) | about a year ago | (#44603797)

Being a decent coder has little to do with CS. It's a very valuable skill in its own right, but quite different.

Re:Returning start-up drop outs? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44604373)

This. I would've added, that if a startup dev manager had to choose between 20 freshly minted CS masters degree holders and 20 hardcore coders, he would probably pick the coders. Ideally, though, 5-10 of the hires would have both, or the equivalent theoretical background w/o the actual degree.

Re:Returning start-up drop outs? (4, Insightful)

hedwards (940851) | about a year ago | (#44604459)

I get that it's cool to hate the educational establishment and all, but if you're choosing between 20 freshly minted CS master degree holders and 20 hardcore coders, you're not qualified to be hiring anybody. Most likely a mixing of people with education and work experience is going to yield optimal results, not choosing to hire only people with one sort of experience. Especially, if you're wanting to create a product that hasn't been done to death.

There's a shitload of crap code out there written by "hardcore coders", none of which is an example to be emulated. Sure, the masters degree holders might not have experience, but they also don't have much experience writing crappy code. Which, from the comments I see around here from "professional programmers", could very easily justify not hiring people that have decades of wrong experience to retrain.

Re:Returning start-up drop outs? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44604551)

By "hardcore coders" I mean people who know design patterns, version control systems and other best practices of software engineering and coding in particular languages such as C++, Java, or Ruby. This is not part of computer science, although some of it is taught in the universities.

Real professionals try to raise the level of their games on a non-ending, continual basis.

Re:Returning start-up drop outs? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44604573)

Well, it's AT&T, also known as the first and foremost domestic spy-proxy. I bet the scholarship involves a questionnaire, and at least a few of the questions on that questionnaire are like, "Do you believe it is immoral to store user behavioral data, knowing where a customer is or what a customer says at all times" or "Do you believe that Edward Snowden is a filthy, filthy traitor?" You may have heard that AT&T recently bought out Cricket. The acquisition has less to do with business and more to do with sniffing data of the disposable-phone market aka terrorists, money-launderers, child-rapists, and other criminals. Because those are the only kind of people who would use a pay-as-you-go plan. Verizon, after all, was awarded a handsome 10-billion dollar government contract for their role in domestic spying.

-- Ethanol-fueled

Re:Returning start-up drop outs? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44604627)

That's right Ethanol-fueled, just like everyone realizes that the Teamsters top leadership knows exactly where Jimmy Hoffa is buried and they have since the day he 'disappeared'. But, the police supposedly keep getting led on these wild goose chases "oh, he's buried over here, look!". Nice.

what about 2-4 year tech school degrees vs CS? (2)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about a year ago | (#44604657)

if you're choosing between 20 freshly minted CS master degree holders (theroy loaded classes) and 20 say people with 2-4 years tech school degrees (classes with more hands on work) and experience

Re:what about 2-4 year tech school degrees vs CS? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44604671)

Graduates of community college or technical schools might be suitable for continuing engineering, support, IT administration, lightweight web or phone app development. They wouldn't be first call for the type of innovative new development that startups specialize in.

The /. police are starting to limit my posts...this will be my last one tonight.

Re:Returning start-up drop outs? (3, Interesting)

fluffy99 (870997) | about a year ago | (#44604761)

Being a decent coder has little to do with CS. It's a very valuable skill in its own right, but quite different.

Very true. Unfortunately, many employers haven't a clue what the difference is. I see too many jobs ads looking for a CS degree when what they want is a good programmer. They end up with a CS major who hasn't a clue how to design or write good code. Or vice-versa, they get a programmer to do software engineering and wonder why they end up with a crap program that doesn't meet their needs.

Re:Returning start-up drop outs? (1)

symbolset (646467) | about a year ago | (#44604921)

An artist knows his tools and materials. CS training gives him that. It doesn't give him art, but it is essential to his art.

Re:Returning start-up drop outs? (1)

Dahamma (304068) | about a year ago | (#44603855)

Based on your UID, I assume you have been on /. for ~7-10 years? Why would you want to get a degree if you are an experienced programmed working at a startup? Sorry, but this is a pretty solid troll :)

Re:Returning start-up drop outs? (1)

MindStalker (22827) | about a year ago | (#44603925)

I see we are UID dropping here?

Re:Returning start-up drop outs? (1)

Dahamma (304068) | about a year ago | (#44603971)

No, not really, but I guess you are ;)

Actually, I think it would be interesting to see a graph of UID vs. registration date. I'm guessing it was fairly exponential at first, and then leveled out in recent years...

Re:Returning start-up drop outs? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44604433)

"web 2.0" made the numbers explode.

As every paid shill rushed to get 1000 accounts.

Since then it's bumped up for every new 'social' site fad as THOSE shills rush to get massive numbers of accounts.

Re:Returning start-up drop outs? (3, Insightful)

hedwards (940851) | about a year ago | (#44604467)

Pretty much, the quality of everything from the +5 posts to the troll posts used to be a lot higher a decade ago. Now, even the trolls lack imagination and much of the "insightful" posting is just parroting whatever group think is en vogue at the moment.

Re:Returning start-up drop outs? (4, Interesting)

Dahamma (304068) | about a year ago | (#44604983)

Ok, so data points - at 900k that was a decade ago - say ~'03? (I think @ 300k I joined somewhere in '99?) Maybe we can create a chart, I think it would be interesting... (and I'm sure the /. mods have all that info but am wondering if they would find it as interesting to divulge...)

Re:Returning start-up drop outs? (1)

aliquis (678370) | about a year ago | (#44604423)

UID 0 or gtfo.


Everyone can be UID 0.

startup won't last forever, get letters behind nam (4, Interesting)

raymorris (2726007) | about a year ago | (#44604813)

I've been there and done that. The start-up almost surely won't last forever. Even if it does, you won't want to work 55 hours a week while your baby is waking you up at 3AM. At some point, you'll probably want a nice 8-5 with good insurance and time off. When that time comes, you need letters behind your name.

I had all of the other credentials. I have seventeen years of full professional experience. I'm an Apache contributor. At one interview, the interviewer asked me if I had experience with Debian, as that was their preferred distro. I asked if he'd seen that morning's Debian security update. He seen it and applied the update. My name was on that Debian alert, I discovered the security issue all Debian users were alerted to that morning. I didn't get the job. Put letters at the end of your name while you can.

Re:Returning start-up drop outs? (1)

symbolset (646467) | about a year ago | (#44604901)

I'll take the free courses and be glad of it to see what passes for a masters in CS these days. I don't meet the prereq to pay them, but I would do that too if I could. I expect to be saddened by the depravity.

Retention rates? (3, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year ago | (#44603783)

It will be very interesting to see what their retention numbers end up looking like. We've had cheap, modestly interactive, education since 'correspondence courses' hit the scene (examples date to at least the 18th century, with spikes and troughs in popularity over time); but we've had less success getting the results achieved in-person from even the most tech-laden variations.

Re:Retention rates? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44603821)

The Open University have been doing this in the UK for many years, and appear to be going from strength to strength.

yes, I work with OU bringing it to Texas A&M (2)

raymorris (2726007) | about a year ago | (#44604981)

Indeed. I work closely with Open University as we extend the software they use (Moodle) to work for our students at the Texas A&M System. Until this year, people would travel from all over the world to attend our firefighter school for twelve weeks. Now, all of the classroom part is online, so they can either come to Texas for just six weeks, or they can do our online classroom and then do field exercises in their home area.

We're rapidly expanding the capabilities of the software system it all runs on and trying to change the mindset from "correspondence" or "online book" to instead be a rich interactive experience. The students interact with the course content, with each other, and with an active instructor.

Re:Retention rates? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44603823)

Usually they see a low retention rate and think that means it sucks. I think that means people are willing to try it. Really, even if only 20% of students who enroll passes a class, if thats well known, and there is still high demand, I don't see how the program is a failure. They should judge the program on how well the passing students know the material, and the number of applicants.

Re:Retention rates? (2)

hedwards (940851) | about a year ago | (#44604045)

If it's free that's one thing, otherwise it means that you've taken money from 80% of the students that enrolled and probably not given them anything of value.

The number of students that complete the course work is most certainly one of the aspects that should be assessed when judging a program. Having 4 burn out for every 1 that completes does not speak well to the design of the course. A course should permit most of the students to complete, assuming they put in the effort and master the material.

Neither time nor money is unlimited and in both cases wasting it isn't justifiable just because it's widely known that the program wastes the resources of 80% of the people who enroll.

Re:Retention rates? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44604669)

Why would someone sign up for a course that was a horribly flawed waste of time and money? If people know what the deal is, and want to sign up and pay, I think the course would be offering a desirable service. Sure, that does not mean its great, but assuming they aren't charging below cost, it seems to make sense to me to run such a service if there is demand (and thus profit) to be made. People get something they want, public becomes more educated, and school gets money. I see no way this could be bad, only that it might not be as good as it could be, which is no a reason to cancel or close it.

Re:Retention rates? (1)

symbolset (646467) | about a year ago | (#44604941)

Well since Ivy League schools pride themselves on the dropout rates of people who are paying $50K/yr because they are hard, if this school has higher fail out rates they can claim they are harder than Harvard without doing as much harm to the failed-out students. Remember: student loans are not dischargeable in bankruptcy, and a degree does not promise a high-earning job.

Re:Retention rates? (1)

JeffAtl (1737988) | about a year ago | (#44605065)

I'm a GT grad and the school has always prided itself on a 66% dropout rate. I'm not sure if the number is still that high as the state is stupidly trying to tie graduation rates with funding.

I'll do it (1)

EmagGeek (574360) | about a year ago | (#44603799)

I already have two degrees from Georgia Tech, but not one in CS yet. For $6,600 a MSCS from Georgia Tech is a no brainer.

Re:I'll do it (1)

Dahamma (304068) | about a year ago | (#44603859)

Unless you collect degrees because you don't have enough artwork on your wall, it doesn't at all seem like a no-brainer. If you think you will put in effort and LEARN it might be useful, but that would in fact require a brain...

Re:I'll do it (1)

EmagGeek (574360) | about a year ago | (#44603973)

It's not a bad thing to go back to school later in your career to get up to speed on the state of the art and maybe even pick up new skills.

Re:I'll do it (2)

Dahamma (304068) | about a year ago | (#44604007)

Except colleges rarely teach "state of the art", they usually teach theory or programming languages a few years behind the times...

I don't disagree a BS is a great foundation or that keeping up is a good idea, but once you are an experienced engineer it's really not that hard to "keep up" on your own - for free.

Also, given a good, experienced software engineer can make $150-200k+ these days, any time away from that is probably a bigger expense than will ever be paid back through salary raises, etc.

Re:I'll do it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44604055)

You don't need to get a degree to do that. Read books. Use the Internet. There are many ways of learning that don't involve spending thousands of dollars.

Re:I'll do it (1)

SeaFox (739806) | about a year ago | (#44604371)

There are many ways of learning that don't involve spending thousands of dollars.

In my experience knowing something is worthless in the job market unless you have a piece of paper showing you spent thousands of dollars to learn it, and even then actually knowing what you have your degree in isn't even really required.

but that should not be an 2-4 year block new skill (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about a year ago | (#44604665)

Learning new skills should be some kind of badges system not the old school system.

Just courses? (1)

Nemyst (1383049) | about a year ago | (#44603817)

I'm not sure from a cursory glance at the program description, but this seems to only involve courses? My perspective of a Master's is that courses are really just a tiny slice of what you do. Research and synthesizing that research into papers and/or a thesis is what really makes it different from undergrad courses. Maybe it's antiquated, but I wouldn't consider the two on equal footing because it's rather easy to go through a bunch of courses without really getting deeply familiar and involved with anything.

Re:Just courses? (4, Informative)

jeff4747 (256583) | about a year ago | (#44603873)

In my experience, what you describe is a doctorate program. A masters is mostly courses with research as an option.

Re:Just courses? (2)

hedwards (940851) | about a year ago | (#44604061)

Only if it's original research. A typical PhD program requires that you advance the field, whereas a masters program will permit you to conduct research that's just investigating things that have been investigated and synthesizing other people's research into new papers.

Re:Just courses? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44604323)

In my experience, the master's thesis was not optional for my MS. In fact, the engineering college had started a different path (Master of Engineering) particularly for those who did not want to do the thesis which would normally account for at least half the time spent on the MS degree. Coursework is the easy part.

Re:Just courses? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44604863)

That depends on the field. In my area of chemistry, a course work only masters is often called an MA and may be appropriate for HS teachers and others not needing a research program whereas a masters with a research thesis is an MS. Maybe this distinction should be made in advanced CS degrees.

Re:Just courses? (2)

Nemyst (1383049) | about a year ago | (#44604877)

Well, I know in certain fields (say, MBA), you don't need to do research, and I have vaguely heard of a way of doing a Master's through courses solely, but I'd say 95% of the people I know (computer science, mathematics, physics people, so YMMV obviously) go down the thesis or article route. Again, from the perspective of someone going through such a thing, I doubt you'd be able to learn anywhere near as much just by following courses, especially remotely.

Re:Just courses? (1)

Dahamma (304068) | about a year ago | (#44603921)

Eh, for many schools - even the top ones like Stanford - an MS is just a chance to take more graduate level courses - TAing and research is optional. That said I find it hard to imagine you learn the same things online, since said "top schools" also put a lot of emphasis on sections and fairly complex programming assignments...

Re:Just courses? (4, Insightful)

nbauman (624611) | about a year ago | (#44603947)

When you get a masters' degree, you spend a year or more committing yourself 24 hours a day to learning something, and you're in a community of people who are engaged in the same commitment to learning something. Your eating, sleeping, and social life revolves around an intellectual community. You learn a lot through serendipity. A chance meeting in the hall can give you a direction for your career.

When you take a MOOC, you're not giving it the same commitment and you're not among the same community. That's especially true if you take it free.

You could just read the same textbooks that masters' degree students read. But you'd be missing something.

I could read transcripts of the Feynmann lectures. But that wouldn't be the same as going to school and taking lectures with Feynmann.

Re:Just courses? (1, Insightful)

jpublic (3023069) | about a year ago | (#44604073)

But you'd be missing something.

Not wasting money leaves an empty hole in my heart.

Just because some people are lazy, unmotivated, and unintelligent doesn't mean that everyone is.

Re:Just courses? (2)

nbauman (624611) | about a year ago | (#44604145)

But you'd be missing something.

Not wasting money leaves an empty hole in my heart.

Just because some people are lazy, unmotivated, and unintelligent doesn't mean that everyone is.

Either you're very hard-working, motivated and intelligent, or you're an example of the Dunning–Kruger effect. I wonder which is more likely?

Re:Just courses? (2)

khallow (566160) | about a year ago | (#44604857)

I wonder which is more likely?

I'd say fallacy of the false dilemma. Plus, you still have yet to acknowledge the huge cost differential here.

Re:Just courses? (0)

jpublic (3023069) | about a year ago | (#44605021)

Either you're very hard-working, motivated and intelligent, or you're an example of the Dunning–Kruger effect.

I never mentioned myself, so it's rather odd how you acted as if I did.

I wonder which is more likely?

You don't know the answer.

Re:Just courses? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44605057)

It's rather odd that you think talking about "my heart" doesn't make it sound like you're talking about yourself, and then you use a condescending tone when someone thinks you were talking about yourself. If this were a betting situation, the odds would have just shifted more towards the Dunning-Kruger effect.

Re:Just courses? (0)

jpublic (3023069) | about a year ago | (#44605085)

I did not state that I am not lazy, unmotivated, or unintelligent anywhere.

If this were a betting situation, the odds would have just shifted more towards the Dunning-Kruger effect.

This isn't a betting situation. It does not matter how likely you think that is; it has nothing to do with what I, as an individual, am actually like.

Re:Just courses? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44604883)

Just because some people live in a fantastical dreamland where derisive egotists actually make the best (or even marginally competent) scholars doesn't mean that everyone does.

Re:Just courses? (1, Insightful)

jpublic (3023069) | about a year ago | (#44605039)

I don't live in a dreamland; I live in cold, hard reality. The reality is that people have more access to information than ever, and yet still there are many who squander this opportunity and continue to cling to the archaic notion that one cannot become educated without a formal education environment.

I'm not suggesting we discard colleges and universities, but my entire point was that people shouldn't pretend as if people cannot become educated without them.

Re:Just courses? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44604119)

Maybe things have changed since your postgraduate experience? My brother is doing a PhD and he only works between 6 and 7 hours a day (and rarely on the weekends). The rest of the time he's either cooking, sleeping, or playing video games. He seems to be doing very well in his program, too, and while he's definitely above average intellectually I wouldn't characterize him as exceptionally bright.

Re:Just courses? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44604495)

If that's true then things will return to normal when your brother's thesis advisor returns from sabbatical or your brother is in for some very ugly experiences. I've seen both a few times in the last 15 years working in different labs and universities.

Re:Just courses? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44604441)

One of the best comments I've read on /. lately, bravo

Proctored remote exam? (1)

manu0601 (2221348) | about a year ago | (#44603851)

How can they make sure a remote participant does not cheat during a test? Mandatory spyware?

Re:Proctored remote exam? (4, Informative)

CodeArtisan (795142) | about a year ago | (#44603887)

For the UK version at the Open University the exams are held at a local college and proctored in the normal way. Presumably this could operate in a similar fashion.

Re:Proctored remote exam? (1)

manu0601 (2221348) | about a year ago | (#44604125)

TFA says “Online, there’s no visa problem,”, which suggests the student will not have to attend for the exam.

Re:Proctored remote exam? (3, Informative)

Delarth799 (1839672) | about a year ago | (#44604253)

So they would go to a LOCAL school in their region or country and take it there. Exams can be emailed, faxed, etc. to other places which can proctor the exam.

Re:Proctored remote exam? (2)

GrumpySteen (1250194) | about a year ago | (#44604139) []

"All exams are proctored using national proctoring standards. We have access to 4,500 physical proctoring facilities and are working with online proctoring institutions."

Re:Proctored remote exam? (1)

i.r.id10t (595143) | about a year ago | (#44604447)

A "properly" designed evaluation method is pretty cheat proof even if not proctored. Especially if you've been having your students move in that direction over the previous assignments.

Of course, designing such an assessment/evaluation is very hard to do, and grading it can be equally hard.

But, for those instructors that just want to give a 50 question multiple choice test from the text publisher's test bank, yeah, they need a proctor. There are a few online proctoring services that use webcams, etc. to monitor and most colleges/univsersities/military installations have testing facilities. I've even known instructors to accept a local parrish priest proctoring exams for a student taking her classes from Chihuahua, Mx (the college I work for is in Florida and is part of the state university system).

text publisher's test bank sucks for IT (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about a year ago | (#44604699)

IT test needs to be more hands on based or graded not on all multiple choice but some kind of skill test.

Re:Proctored remote exam? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44604757)

Yes, I did a distance course through Queensland University in Australia. One of my colleagues was based in remote Papua New Guinea -- his exams were proctored by the local clergyman.

$45,000 for a Master's? (3, Insightful)

pongo000 (97357) | about a year ago | (#44603867)

Sorry, folks, but no Master's in CS is worth $45,000, and certainly not from Georgia Tech when better schools offer the same for half the tuition (Univ. of Texas comes to mind), and regional schools for a quarter of this. This seems to be nothing more than a marketing ploy to show what a good "deal" you could get if you went 100% online while at the same time inflating the quality of the on-campus program at Georgia Tech.

Re:$45,000 for a Master's? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44603905)

That's the out of state tuition rate plus housing, books, and so on - the Estimated Cost of Attendance.

In-state tuition is about $7k/year.

I paid $100 total in matriculation ($25/semester) for my Master's degree from Tech on a Graduate Teaching Assistantship.

Re:$45,000 for a Master's? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44603913)

Not only that... but any grad degree in a STEM field will pay you to go. I think my tuition was 12k for mine (2nd tier school), but they paid me 36K.

Re:$45,000 for a Master's? (1)

djupedal (584558) | about a year ago | (#44603927)

Le Cordon Bleu gets USD$55k...

Re:$45,000 for a Master's? (4, Informative)

EmagGeek (574360) | about a year ago | (#44603957)

UT Austin is 0.1 point above Tech in the rankings for CS Grad Schools. As has been noted, if you're in-state or on a GTA or GRA, the tuition drops precipitously or is basically waived. Whether it's a #10 or #9 school isn't really going to matter during interviews. Both are superb schools with an excellent reputation among hiring managers (and I've hired-a-plenty out of both).

Tuition rates between the two schools are not significantly different. Tech is a bit over $13K/semester and UT Austin is a smidge over $12K/semester.

Re:$45,000 for a Master's? (2)

physicsphairy (720718) | about a year ago | (#44604043)

According to this [] , the tuition cost of a 2 year grad degree at Georgia Tech would be $54,660 for out-of-state, assuming you have 12 credit our semesters. ($22,468 for in-state) It may be that it is not worth that much, but I don't think the $45k number was invented for comparison purposes.

Re:$45,000 for a Master's? (2)

JeffAtl (1737988) | about a year ago | (#44605077)

Your post sounds like you think GT is a community college. Are you confusing Georgia Tech with UGA?

Proctored? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44603869)

... those in the degree program will take proctored exams

Huh, that's a weird combination. So, if we're going for a degree, we get checked for rectal cancer? Does MOOC students have a problem with contracting rectal cancer?

I mean, watching those videos is a pain in the ass, but causing cancer?!

Regular students pissed? (1)

Robert Goatse (984232) | about a year ago | (#44603895)

8 times cheaper for awesome HR bypass material? Count me in! Even if you have a job now, a CS from a pretty well regarded school could give you leverage for a better salary.

Re:Regular students pissed? (1)

Scutter (18425) | about a year ago | (#44603919)

Master's degree. You will have already dropped $100k on your 4-year degree before ponying up another $6k for this one.

Re:Regular students pissed? (1)

hedwards (940851) | about a year ago | (#44604071)

$100k? Mine was a quarter of that including all relevant expenses. Even if you consider the typical interest on that, it's still well below $100k.

Only idiots piss $100k (1)

luis_a_espinal (1810296) | about a year ago | (#44604077)

Master's degree. You will have already dropped $100k on your 4-year degree before ponying up another $6k for this one.

Only idiots pony $100K on a BS/BA degree. Even when college prices have ballooned since 2008, the previous statement still remains true. $6K for a MS in CS, hell even $12 or $20 is still worth it, considering that, in the hands of capable professionals, a MS degree will pay over itself for the life of one's professional career.

Re:Regular students pissed? (1)

alen (225700) | about a year ago | (#44604183)

how do you spend $100,000 on an undergrad degree?
most state schools the tuition is $6000 per year or semester
i guess if you go to school just to get away from your parents you run up insane student loans on out of state tuition and living expenses

Re:Regular students pissed? (2)

colinrichardday (768814) | about a year ago | (#44604533)

how do you spend $100,000 on an undergrad degree?

After scholarship, MIT undergrads average $24,000 a year. []

Carnegie Mellon $46,000 annual tuition. []

Stanford $14,000 per quarter []

Re:Regular students pissed? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44604059)

for the class students they have to pay for all the new buildings they built over the last decade. MOOC students don't need any capital expenses and are pure profit

"Online, there's no visa problem" (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44603945)

Somebody please *please* hear this message before it's too late. Too many bright foreign students who get into top notch schools are denied visas. I've seen this happen first hand multiple times at a good school. Politicians can debate visa allocation as much as they want in general. But when MIT (or some other top notch school) accepts someone can you please just give the kid a visa? Oh, and not kick him out when he graduates? Because if not, then your protectionist strategy creates a market for programs such as this one, which is a hundred times worse than the scenario you are trying to prevent.

Wait - it's NOT a $6000 MA. (3, Informative)

The Second Horseman (121958) | about a year ago | (#44604083)

It's a $7000 MA for people hand-picked from Georgia Tech's corporate partners, funded by the $2 million dollar donation from AT&T. So, assume that's covering a large chunk of the cost. The press release says that it's "initially" expected to be under $7,000.

So if you actually want the degree, it's currently not available to everyone, and it's eventually going to be more expensive.

Re:Wait - it's NOT a $6000 MA. (1)

The Second Horseman (121958) | about a year ago | (#44604089)

Whoops. Meant MS. I'm assuming it's an MS?

Re:Wait - it's NOT a $6000 MA. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44604115)

I saw the same issue. This is currently only for a select few who were hand picked.

Wait until it is offered to the general public, then I will be interested.


Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44604171)

Where for 30k dollars American you can learn how not to throw away your money on correspondence schooling !! It is FREE already !! FREE as in, uh, beer !! And who does not like FREE beer !!

Dupe, from 3 months back... (2)

jkrise (535370) | about a year ago | (#44604201) []

Georgia Tech and Udacity Partner for Online M.S. in Computer Science

Nothing different, except this time an NYT article that references the same?

Re:Dupe, from 3 months back... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44604449)

Yes, but the earlier story reported that "total tuition for the program is initially expected to be below $7,000".

"Below $7,000" could mean anything from free to $6,999. But now we have a specific figure, $6,600. Well worth another /. story.

Sad to see GA Tech throw away their reputation (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44604217)

They spent decades building a good reputation, and now they're just throwing it away. Now that they're giving away degrees to nonstudents, expect the real student's to no longer be able to find jobs because some idiot decided to make their degree worthless. If I was a grad from that school, I'd consider suing.

Evolutionary Algorithms? (0)

Required Snark (1702878) | about a year ago | (#44604297)

Since this is Georgia, will they teach evolutionary algorithms [] ?

They might just duck out entirely and skip the subject. Conversely, they could they could cover the evolutionary model and then teach an alternative theory that the results of the computations are due to divine intervention.

Re:Evolutionary Algorithms? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44604933)

It's Georgia, not Kansas, and it's at the world-class university level, not high school. Big difference. Ironically enough, Georgia Tech is home to two Origin of Life Research Centers. They are studying molecular evolution far beyond darwin, into the realm of abiogenesis.

Duplicate (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44604307)

Here's the original []

Is this accreditation of corporate training? (2, Interesting)

recharged95 (782975) | about a year ago | (#44604489)

This makes some sense. Nearly all Fortune 500 companies offer some type of personnel training in the form of "University", aka Disney Univeristy, Oracle University, Cisco University, P&G University, etc... is typically what they are called. And if I recall can cost upto $2K (internal overhead) per course which lasts 2 weeks on avg.

"Off shoring" the corporate training basically to Academia removes the overhead costs and the companies can reducing training offerings as needed (during layoffs for instance). As for Academia, they would like to have the funding of this extra private money and will legitimize smaller schools that want to compete against the big dogs (Ivy, big state universities). Somewhat of a win-win short term, BUT will push training responsbility off corporations to individuals (we all might as well be contractors) and schools will push what businesses want rather than trailblazing or going against the status quo, as basis for a free thinking environment. Hence long term this is is likely bad.

IT needs an trades / apprenticeship system or some (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about a year ago | (#44604613)

IT needs an trades / apprenticeship system or some kind of badges system.

Education and Profitability (2)

cultiv8 (1660093) | about a year ago | (#44604509)

I have two masters degrees (quant/stats and MBA), work in software development for 10+ years, and have been debating either getting a masters degree in CS or a law degree in IP in the next year or two. When I read this article, right this very instant, I realized it would be more profitable in the long run to get a law degree than to get a CS degree.

Why not at the B/AS and A/AS level? (2)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about a year ago | (#44604575)

for some IT jobs 4 years is overkill and for some parts of IT CS is not the right fit vs more of a trades fit.

in IT, the 4 year process doesn’t work for s (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about a year ago | (#44604619)

in IT, the 4 year process doesn’t work for some, especially those who have learning disabilities,” “The older college system is not for all, and some people learn better on their own. It’s an antiquated system, especially in IT.”

“Schools that are based around 2 years of intensive, hands-on IT training are much better equipped than those spending on English or composition classes. That’s how you can be more flexible and keep up with the industry. Even awarding badges would make the system more relevant.”

non degree classes need to count for something (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about a year ago | (#44604643)

some of them are no credit and do not lead to a degree. Or some may only count in as part of big block of classes that when you drop in / take as on going learning.

Also some stuff just leads to vendor certs but why can't we get away from degrees or have some kind of equivalent experience system that you can put down equivalent experience to X degree with not being said to be lieing about having X degree

Why Not? Would it hurt or help long term salary? (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44604693)

I know this sounds lame but Masters Degrees helped me draw higher pay. MBA my salary rose by 40% same company, Engineering another 20% new company, stuck it our for 1.7 years and my salary rose by another 25% -now I've breached six figures in non trivial way with options and decent bonus on top of the nice base. Although I think degrees are over rated especially from big name programs, I still can't argue with the financial results. At $6k or $7k -a Masters in CS sounds like a steal?

Wonder if any of the veterans on /. truly believe the extra letters and relatively cheap out of pocket expense would somehow hurt their careers or bottom lines. Most IT workers (managers and line coders alike) spend ours studying and techniques anyway. If you can get a few extra letters and more long term for a small outlay of $6k why wouldn't you???

Even if you thought the degree added little to the field of CS overall, it's impact on a programmers earning power seems like it would be real enough on a cost vs benefit basis... And god forbid a decent programmer actually made it into management and actually helped fix what ails many organizations' IT/Business relations (ie a sane use of technology to advance business instead pet projects not worth the 8.5x11 powerpoint page used to write 'em up)...

Mixed messages (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44604987)

The blurb says 'Go ahead, take the courses online, $6600, work hard and get a degree'. The reality (when you read the site) is that online courses won't be available for over a year, if you want to be accepted to the program, you have to go through a rigorous application process, including multiple references from people, full documentation from post secondary institutions, and a highly regulated, process to allow entry to the program (there is a massive chasm between the blurb and the apparent reality). There is even stuff on the main site about 'even if you don't have a BSc in CS but a degree in something else, go ahead and apply anyway, whereas the actual application insists that you meet all prerequisites, that all payments must be prepaid, and it seems you face a very rigorous, highly discriminating process.

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