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Canadian City Uses Drone To Chase Off Geese

Soulskill posted about a year ago | from the for-the-birds dept.

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LeadSongDog writes "The Ottawa Citizen reports on an enterprising private contractor who has been hired by a city government in Canada to drive geese off its island beaches using a small, remote-controlled drone. 'It’s proving amazingly effective, said Orléans Coun. Bob Monette. The place used to be haunted by as many as 140 geese, which can eat several pounds of grass in a day and poop out nearly as much in waste. “Now we’re down to anywhere from 15 to 20 on a daily basis,” Monette said. The weapon the city’s deployed is a “hexcopter,” a remote-controlled chopper with rotors that can hover, soar, circle and — most importantly — scoot along just above the ground, scaring the bejesus out of dozing geese. It’s operated by contractor Steve Wambolt, a former IT worker who launched his own business after one too many layoffs. “When he takes it out, they put their backs up straight and they’re watching,” Monette said. “When he starts it and it goes up off the ground, they sort of walk into a formation, and as soon as it starts moving, they all take off and they don’t come back until the next day.”'"

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Unconstitutional Drone Strikes on Canindian Geese (5, Funny)

jimbolauski (882977) | about a year ago | (#44621789)

Another example of government tyranny.

Re:Unconstitutional Drone Strikes on Canindian Gee (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44621833)

They are Canadian Geese so the Constitution doens't apply

Re:Unconstitutional Drone Strikes on Canindian Gee (2)

maliqua (1316471) | about a year ago | (#44621867)

just pretend he said canadian charter or rights and freedoms

thank goodness its a private contractor or the government likely would have invested millions into research and invented some sort of stealthed beach mobile to do the task

Re:Unconstitutional Drone Strikes on Canindian Gee (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44621951)

I think this application requires a decided lack of stealth. Other then that your post is entirely reasonable.

Re:Unconstitutional Drone Strikes on Canindian Gee (1)

maliqua (1316471) | about a year ago | (#44622039)

Agreed we both know that a stealthed solution wouldn't be ideal but bear in mind I was suggesting the path i think our government would have taken. Not what i believed the most reasonable course of action is, those two things rarely line up

Re:Unconstitutional Drone Strikes on Canindian Gee (1)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about a year ago | (#44622555)

just pretend he said canadian charter or rights and freedoms

thank goodness its a private contractor or the government likely would have invested millions into research and invented some sort of stealthed beach mobile to do the task

For some reason, when I read this the first image that popped into my head was a Canuck with his hockey stick hiding inside a giant, camouflage beach ball...

Re:Unconstitutional Drone Strikes on Canindian Gee (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44622195)

Canadian Geese are protected by the Migratory Bird Treaty of 1918. Unless there has been some specific exemption granted, this may be a treaty violation (usually, a misdemeaner).

http://www.taftlaw.com/news/publications/detail/610-the-migratory-bird-treaty-act-what-can-businesses-do-about-federally-protected-canada-geese

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Migratory_Bird_Treaty_Act_of_1918

Re:Unconstitutional Drone Strikes on Canindian Gee (4, Informative)

xevioso (598654) | about a year ago | (#44622291)

While amusing in this case, this treaty would likely not apply.

The statute in the treaty makes it unlawful without a waiver to pursue, hunt, take, capture, kill or sell birds listed therein ("migratory birds"). This includes the Canadian Goose. Piloting a drone into the middle of a stationary flock of geese constitutes none of these things. If the drone operator actually followed the birds, then yes, that would be "pursuing", but simply scaring the birds by flying into the midst of them as they are eating and pooping and doing other bird things wouldn't break the treaty, as far as I can tell.

Re:Unconstitutional Drone Strikes on Canindian Gee (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44622659)

Just get a license, they grant them all the time.

A duck/goose hunting license is only a few bucks in Canada, and I'd assume it is the same in the US, seeing how popular duck hunting is.

Re:Unconstitutional Drone Strikes on Canindian Gee (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44621837)

Unconstitutional Drone Strikes on Canindian Geese

Well, it's evidence of some pretty stellar illiteracy on your behalf.

Stupid Amerninicians.

Re:Unconstitutional Drone Strikes on Canindian Gee (0)

oodaloop (1229816) | about a year ago | (#44621911)

It's a frist psot. It's supposed to be missplleed!

Re:Unconstitutional Drone Strikes on Canindian Gee (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44622437)

frsty piss!

Re:Unconstitutional Drone Strike on Canadian Geese (0, Troll)

Jstlook (1193309) | about a year ago | (#44621903)

Oddly, Alaskans actually respect the natural migration of Canadian Geese, and find the entire yearly event a treasure to protect. Shame on the Canadians!

Re:Unconstitutional Drone Strike on Canadian Geese (4, Insightful)

maliqua (1316471) | about a year ago | (#44621983)

this isn't affecting the migration just dispersing the floc from a beach/park there is no shortage of available space on the river or bay for them to move on too, they just hang out there because people leave stuff for them to eat, if anything this is beneficial to the birds also to keep them a little further away from the public

Re:Unconstitutional Drone Strike on Canadian Geese (2, Informative)

gstoddart (321705) | about a year ago | (#44622041)

Oddly, Alaskans actually respect the natural migration of Canadian Geese, and find the entire yearly event a treasure to protect. Shame on the Canadians!

I don't know how many of the geese get up to Alaska, but huge sections of Canada become essentially overrun with Geese.

Managing where they go can be a huge problem and a nuisance.

I worked at a building once where the geese would nest in the medians in the parking lot. They'd routinely attack people going to and from their cars. I've seen huge sections of parks which are essentially covered in green goose-shit and which are unusable (and which can also be a health hazard).

We do respect the migration, and as migratory birds they are protected -- but that doesn't mean that every damned place that literally hundreds (or thousands, or 10's of thousands) of geese move into can be left to have them take over.

Sometimes, the sheer scale of the mess which can be caused by these things means you need to find ways to convince them to find another place to be.

Re:Unconstitutional Drone Strike on Canadian Geese (0)

xevioso (598654) | about a year ago | (#44622325)

These things are a menace. I lived in Colorado and they would routinely plant themselves into our apartment complex public space, making it unusable for long stretches of winter. If you were stupid enough to wander into the park area, a host of them would waddle up to you and attack, and they left a huge amount of green goose crap all over the place. If I had thought of using one of those little toy helicopters at the time to scare em off, I would have.

Re:Unconstitutional Drone Strike on Canadian Geese (3, Insightful)

hawguy (1600213) | about a year ago | (#44622545)

These things are a menace. I lived in Colorado and they would routinely plant themselves into our apartment complex public space, making it unusable for long stretches of winter.

If *you* think it's unusable now, how do you think the Geese feel about an apartment complex taking over *their* public space?

If you were stupid enough to wander into the park area, a host of them would waddle up to you and attack, and they left a huge amount of green goose crap all over the place. If I had thought of using one of those little toy helicopters at the time to scare em off, I would have.

I think the problem with the drone plan is that just like how the Geese got used to humans in your apartment complex and now show no fear of them, they'll eventually get used to the drones unless the drones start attacking and killing them.

Re:Unconstitutional Drone Strike on Canadian Geese (3, Interesting)

Em Adespoton (792954) | about a year ago | (#44622665)

These things are a menace. I lived in Colorado and they would routinely plant themselves into our apartment complex public space, making it unusable for long stretches of winter.

If *you* think it's unusable now, how do you think the Geese feel about an apartment complex taking over *their* public space?

If you were stupid enough to wander into the park area, a host of them would waddle up to you and attack, and they left a huge amount of green goose crap all over the place. If I had thought of using one of those little toy helicopters at the time to scare em off, I would have.

I think the problem with the drone plan is that just like how the Geese got used to humans in your apartment complex and now show no fear of them, they'll eventually get used to the drones unless the drones start attacking and killing them.

Actually, they probably won't. The reason for this is that the drone is using a standard bird of prey flight attack vector. This should also be fairly successful against seagulls and pigeons (although due to the lack of flocking of those two birds, others will quickly return to take the place of those who left).

Re:Unconstitutional Drone Strike on Canadian Geese (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44622779)

These things are a menace. I lived in Colorado and they would routinely plant themselves into our apartment complex public space, making it unusable for long stretches of winter.

If *you* think it's unusable now, how do you think the Geese feel about an apartment complex taking over *their* public space?

.

Actually the geese were not there before the apartment complex was built, building code in many areas requires a retaining pond for the down spout water to collect and naturally be absorbed into the ground. Geese love these ponds and will nest all around them.

Re:Unconstitutional Drone Strike on Canadian Geese (4, Insightful)

TWiTfan (2887093) | about a year ago | (#44622069)

You won't think Canada Geese are so much of a goddamned treasure when you live in an area where they stay year-round, grow to flocks of hundreds, poison every waterway in sight, and leave a carpet of goose-shit everywhere. They're a fucking nuisance in a LOT of places, and the Migratory Bird Treaty Act desperately needs to be amended to make it legal to kill the fucking things. They have WAY overpopulated in large portions of North America.

Re:Unconstitutional Drone Strike on Canadian Geese (-1, Troll)

losfromla (1294594) | about a year ago | (#44622283)

Perhaps if humans hadn't encroached on their natural habitat they wouldn't be such a nuisance. What do you think the geese make of these unimaginably stupid humans that took nice grassy land and ponds and covered them with asphalt and concrete and buildings and now even have the temerity to attack them when they nest on the few places left undisturbed?

Re:Unconstitutional Drone Strike on Canadian Geese (3, Insightful)

TWiTfan (2887093) | about a year ago | (#44622375)

No the problem is that we humans have killed off all their natural predators and don't have the balls to man-up and replace them. We have the same problem with deer in the area. People have stopped hunting deer, we've killed off all the wolves (because we tend not to like the idea of them attacking our kids and pets and shit)--and so they overpopulated and start becoming a nuisance.

Re:Unconstitutional Drone Strike on Canadian Geese (1)

losfromla (1294594) | about a year ago | (#44622787)

****the problem is that we humans have killed off all their natural predators***
Stop right there my friend, that is the problem everything else stems from this problem, one caused by the aforementioned unimaginably stupid humans. See? we do agree!

Re:Unconstitutional Drone Strike on Canadian Geese (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44622441)

Perhaps if humans hadn't encroached on their natural habitat they wouldn't be such a nuisance. What do you think the geese make of these unimaginably stupid humans that took nice grassy land and ponds and covered them with asphalt and concrete and buildings and now even have the temerity to attack them when they nest on the few places left undisturbed?

Trust me, they've adapted just fine to urban life and then some. Their population can rival pigeons, and they literally coat every surface with their ... excrement.

I'm not even sure why they're even called Canadian geese. They're definitely not the stereotypical Canadian you'd meet. Heck, their loud brash obnoxious disgusting behavior is more reminiscent of stereotypical Americans :-).

Damned things are definitely not endangered or threatened.

Re:Unconstitutional Drone Strike on Canadian Geese (5, Interesting)

Baloroth (2370816) | about a year ago | (#44622461)

Do you have any idea how many millions of square miles in the US (much less Canada) are untouched by humans? Well over 90% of the US is undeveloped land. No, the geese aren't going to the "few locations untouched by humans", they're flocking to locations occupied by humans because humans chase away their predators and keep climate variations (especially during winter) to a minimum, to the point where many geese are no longer even bothering to migrate. Chasing them away from human habitations would do more to restore their natural patterns than to disrupt them.

Plus, geese are vicious bastards who'll attack and chase animals much much larger than themselves. And they poop like crazy.

Re:Unconstitutional Drone Strike on Canadian Geese (1)

losfromla (1294594) | about a year ago | (#44622885)

As regards their poop, it is not malicious, I believe that birds have no anal sphincter muscle. This makes sense when viewed from a biological perspective as a flying animal has zero need to store feces. Even less than a non-flying one.

The problem with the touched land is that humans will invariably (like other species) flock to (no pun intended) the prime land. The land with water, relatively more sheltered and temperate, for the region. Where there is game, maybe even including the innocent and evil geese. So we go and start taking their habitat, build up our cities, and the animals who were there all along are now encroaching on "our cities", right? They might be genetically programmed to always return to the same area, so, they aren't going to leave just cause some big blocky trees are now proliferating. If there also happens to be abundant although highly processed garbage food available, why they'll avail themselves of that as well. My point is that they were there first and may have been part of the reason humans settled there, I think goose tastes good though I've never had it.

Re:Unconstitutional Drone Strike on Canadian Geese (3, Insightful)

Muros (1167213) | about a year ago | (#44622921)

Do you have any idea how many millions of square miles in the US (much less Canada) are untouched by humans? Well over 90% of the US is undeveloped land.

Those are two entirely different things. Untouched by humans would indicate that the land is in its natural state, and if you use that definition it is a lot closer to 0% than 90%. It may be undeveloped and unused, but the wetlands have been mostly destroyed, and the megafauna slaughtered. These both have a massive effect on the ecology, sometimes for hundreds or even thousands of miles around.

Re:Unconstitutional Drone Strike on Canadian Geese (3, Interesting)

Mashiki (184564) | about a year ago | (#44622663)

Perhaps if humans hadn't encroached on their natural habitat they wouldn't be such a nuisance.

I'm going to just call you a damned idiot. The reason why we have so many canadian geese now is because the government back in the 70's instituted programs to reduce hunting and protect them. It's the same reason why you find deer in suburban areas, where the areas haven't expanded, and the population in the wild has exploded so much that they're starving to death due to a lack of predators. A very fine example of over populations of deer in the US: Michigan, and Ohio.

Up here in Canadaland, we have an assload of wetland areas. There are three in my area where the geese stay all winter, they never used to. They stay because the provincial government got this brilliant idea to feed the damned things all winter long. Carpet of goose shit indeed, we don't use drones here, we use starter pistols and blanks in shotguns and rifles to scare them away.

Re:Unconstitutional Drone Strike on Canadian Geese (1)

geekoid (135745) | about a year ago | (#44622723)

, we use starter pistols and blanks in shotguns and rifles to scare them away.

which would cost more the drone. plus more waste, and inefficiencies.

Re:Unconstitutional Drone Strike on Canadian Geese (1)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | about a year ago | (#44622927)

poison every waterway in sight

That's an act of terror. These geese have been trained by terrorists, and should be shot.

Probably.

Re:Unconstitutional Drone Strike on Canadian Geese (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44622071)

Oddly the city of Ottawa, as a higher human population than the entire state of Alaska.

Re:Unconstitutional Drone Strike on Canadian Geese (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44622233)

Yes, those loud, noisy fucking geese that shit all over and stink up the fucking place. Oh No! Not Same! Not That! Anything but Shame!

Re:Unconstitutional Drone Strike on Canadian Geese (3, Informative)

Fnordulicious (85996) | about a year ago | (#44622371)

The only place in Alaska that geese stay year-round is near Juneau, as far as I know. But in places where they do stay year-round, like further down the coast, they can be a real pain. Their year-round residency is because of human habitat modification, making open green lawns that are highly appealing to them. They should be migrating but, like hummingbirds, decide to stay all year because of the easy food.

Re:Unconstitutional Drone Strike on Canadian Geese (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44622403)

Then you go out and shoot wolves from helicopters.

Re:Unconstitutional Drone Strike on Canadian Geese (1)

realityimpaired (1668397) | about a year ago | (#44622613)

I can assure you Ottawa is not taking away habitat or nesting space from the geese... fuckers attack me every morning on my morning commute by bicycle as they've laid claim to the bike paths, and I pass several beaches (that are not open to the public for swimming) that are inundated with them.

Re:Unconstitutional Drone Strike on Canadian Geese (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44622765)

Given that the geese occupied that space long before humans moved in and developed Ottawa, the geese probably see you as a hazardous trespasser, and are probably more correct in their assessment than you are in yours.

Re:Unconstitutional Drone Strikes on Canindian Gee (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44622387)

Oh come on, thats totally a wild geese chase, they just try to hide the real purpose of those drones...

we decided to kill somebody (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44621807)

"We were bored and didn't have anything to do, so we decided to kill somebody."

The three boys who decided to kill an Australian college athlete out of nihilistic boredom were black.

This is relevant.

Why?

For several reasons. First, because the allegedly elite media routinely chooses to suppress information that is not helpful to their narrative. We knew that Trayvon Martin was black and George Zimmerman was white -- oops, "White Hispanic" -- from the first moments of political agitation for Zimmerman's lynching.

The media will only write about white (or White Hispanic) violence against blacks or other minorities, never the other way around.

This is ridiculous. The media is supposed to report a somewhat accurate reflection of a category of things I'll call Things That Really Happened, not employ novelistic techniques to forever cut out anything extraneous to the "plot" and pump up sections that emphasize the "theme" of the work.

Whether or not the boys are black, white, or other is not quite central to this story. And yet it remains, in itself, relevant. And then what makes it move from "relevant" to "central" is the bizarre reaction of our media in ruthlessly suppressing basic facts.

That dynamic -- this infinite and insulting condescension of the media towards blacks, the perpetual choice to treat them as children; and the related insulting condescension towards whites, the reflexive decision to omit any sort of "unhelpful" racial facts due to fears that if whites find out blacks commit street crimes we'll just go crazy with racial persecutions -- illustrates how ineffably retarded our "National Discussion on Race" is and will always be, if the media continues to have its stupid way.

The very fact that the media refuses to report such basic information illustrates that this certainly is very relevant to any discussion about it.

No one who is this determined that a fact should not be reported is actually unconcerned by this fact. The very act of such determined suppression indicates the great concern.

One does not actively endeavor to suppress that which one is hardly thinking about. If you were hardly thinking about it, you'd mention it, simply because you took no active steps to not mention it.

The other part of this, of course, is that The Narrative always requires a Bad Guy -- and fictional narratives always need a strong through-line and emotional arc -- and if we can't mention the fact that there is a nihilistic strain of thought in the less reputable quarters of the black underclass, we'll have to shift the spotlight to something else.

Re:we decided to kill somebody (0)

xevioso (598654) | about a year ago | (#44622349)

Were the geese black? Was the man who piloted the drone white? If not, or if you have no information on this, then your article is irrelevant.

Re:we decided to kill somebody (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44622407)

Can't a cherubic boy just enjoy his Skittles and iced tea?

Re:we decided to kill somebody (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44622595)

Shot him in the back, huh?

Good point. Wasn't so much of the Traytable brouhaha over the "fact*" that Zimmerman had shot Martin "in the back?"

So, to be clear: Defending yourself from a thug by shooting him: "Troubling, emotionally charged events which require us to have a dialogue on race."

Shooting a random stranger in the back: "Nothing to see here, move along."

Have I got that right?

* which totally was never a fact, and indeed, never suggested by anyone with even passing familiarity with the case

Re:we decided to kill somebody (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44622781)

From the Post story: ...
Mr. Fischer said he was deeply angered by the latest tragedy and said Australia turning their backs on America would help send a stern message about the need for tighter gun control. ...
"This is the bitter harvest and legacy of the policies of the NRA that even blocked background checks for people buying guns at gunshows.

****
Yes, the real villain here is the gun they used. Presumably, everyone in Australia would be happy as pigs in shit if they had beaten him to death with a brick.

Where do they go? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44621815)

seems like this might not be very well thought out...

Re:Where do they go? (1)

Gravitron 5000 (1621683) | about a year ago | (#44622275)

They go outside the city. Most of Canada is essentially uninhabited by people, so there is plenty of space that they can go where they will not be a nuisance. They don't even have to go far in this case, as Ottawa is surrounded by forest and farm land. You can drive half an hour from the city center in any direction and be in the middle of nowhere.

Re:Where do they go? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44622517)

I didn't realize country parts of Ottawa were the middle of nowhere. Metro, Ottawa is larger than you think, they just haven't totally backfilled it with Suburbia yet because there is still quite a bit of greenbelt built in. Barrhaven touches Manotick now, Riverside south goes almost all the way to Greely, Richmond is on the verge of connecting to Kanata and Stittsville bumps uglies with Kanata all day long. 10 years ago, you couldn't catch a bus to Stittsville to save your life.

Re:Where do they go? (1)

gstoddart (321705) | about a year ago | (#44622455)

seems like this might not be very well thought out...

Well, Canada has a larger land area than the US, with huge tracts of it being essentially wilderness.

There is literally no shortage of places they could go to once they've been spooked from these places.

Think Wisconsin or Maine, but much larger. Miles and miles or forests, wetlands, and whatever else might keep a goose happy.

Re:Where do they go? (0)

geekoid (135745) | about a year ago | (#44622733)

"There is literally no shortage of places they could go to once they've been spooked from these places."
Geese can't go everywhere that's wilderness.

Re:Where do they go? (1)

Hatta (162192) | about a year ago | (#44622525)

Canada is big.

Re:Where do they go? (1)

Em Adespoton (792954) | about a year ago | (#44622777)

seems like this might not be very well thought out...

Canada's Really Big [youtube.com]

Valuable Antiaircraft Weapon (2)

Antipater (2053064) | about a year ago | (#44621827)

What the article doesn't mention is the Nazi fighter plane that Mr. Wambolt was using the geese to bring down.

I suddenly remembered my Charlemagne...

This isn't going to end well, you realize (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about a year ago | (#44621843)

Geese are pretty smart.

Geese are pretty big. They can take down a commercial airliner [wikipedia.org] .

Hexacopters are small, fragile and expensive. They can't make more hexacopters by themselves.

I predict MORE geese poop in Canada.

Re:This isn't going to end well, you realize (3, Insightful)

gstoddart (321705) | about a year ago | (#44621883)

I predict MORE geese poop in Canada.

Which is kind of like predicting colder temperatures in winter.

Hell, I was in Myrtle Beach this year ... and there they were: Canadian Geese, honking, eating, and pooping, and then honking, eating and pooping some more for good measure. Because, well, that's what they do.

Re:This isn't going to end well, you realize (2)

xevioso (598654) | about a year ago | (#44622365)

The geese where I live usually just eat, then honk, then poop, then honk, then eat, then poop. Sometimes variations on a theme, but mostly pretty consistent.

Re:This isn't going to end well, you realize (2)

gstoddart (321705) | about a year ago | (#44622539)

LOL ... well, before they can land and eat, they honk. Then they honk some more. Eating and pooping definitely happens, and I'm certain I've seen both happen at the same time. In between both there's more honking. Before they take off, they poop and honk some more. Then they go someplace else and do it all over again.

But eating, honking, pooping, and making even more geese seems to be the general theme.

Re:This isn't going to end well, you realize (1)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about a year ago | (#44622587)

Somewhere they occasionally fit in "attacking some random person for not giving them breadcrumbs."

Re:This isn't going to end well, you realize (1)

gstoddart (321705) | about a year ago | (#44621921)

Geese are pretty smart.

Not really .. but they do make it up in volume. ;-)

Re:This isn't going to end well, you realize (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44622051)

Geese are vicious, bloodthirsty birds. You do not fuck with them, or they will mess you up.

I expect reports from all over Canada of drones pecked to destruction and covered in goose poop by the end of the month. And a few deaths of well-intentioned drone pilots, all of them mysterious deaths, only with a single goose feather found at the scenes of the crimes.

Only a part of what I just said was hyperbole. The Canada goose, man. It is not afraid.

Re:This isn't going to end well, you realize (2)

Russ1642 (1087959) | about a year ago | (#44622533)

They're like those little rat sized dogs with big attitudes. It's all for show. If you stand up to a goose you'll win. If you run from them and let them peck at you then we get to laugh.

Re:This isn't going to end well, you realize (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44622691)

This is mostly true. Act like you are bigger than they are (because YOU ARE) and they usually back off. Just one time I had one that thought he could take me. He jumped up and had his feet clawing towards my head - 3 times. On the third try I grabbed him by the neck and escorted him to the nearest pond. Talk about a seriously upset bird...

What about the other way around? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44621901)

Can we use geese to chase off drones?

Birds hate helicopters (1)

stewsters (1406737) | about a year ago | (#44621945)

I had a pet conure and one on my friends brought over one of those $30 micro copters, and let me tell you I have never any pet hate anything so much as he hated that. Not sure if it applies to geese, but these will sure scare off smaller birds.

Not a drone (1)

Captain Hook (923766) | about a year ago | (#44621993)

just a radio controlled aircraft

"Drone" vs "R/C Plane"? (4, Insightful)

RevWaldo (1186281) | about a year ago | (#44622015)

I'm sensing a lot of people use the word 'drone' where 'R/C Plane', a decades-old technology, is more appropriate, simply because it sounds cooler. Is the a technical dividing line between the two?

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Re:"Drone" vs "R/C Plane"? (1)

maliqua (1316471) | about a year ago | (#44622111)

if the device has on board avionics to aid in control and navigation, predator drones are also remote controlled largely are they not?

Re:"Drone" vs "R/C Plane"? (4, Informative)

chuckinator (2409512) | about a year ago | (#44622315)

It's a different in regulations requiring additional flight system equipment and verification testing. RC aircraft are only permitted a flight ceiling below 400 ft and the operator must maintain visual line of sight with the craft at all times. Unmanned aircraft are allowed a much higher flight ceiling, but they must follow all FAA rules and guidelines regarding traffic control as other manned aircraft. However, the FAA is not yet allowing drones to operate in the same airspace with manned traffic and must have a specially defined flight zone that their operations are limited to. That will change come 2015 when the FAA has said that they will allow a mix of manned and unmanned aircraft traffic with priority status going to the manned systems. Also, unmanned aircraft must have the full suite of required avionics instruments, must pass rigorous series of flight tests, and must have the same passive radar detection and flight radio transponder required for manned aircraft.

Re:"Drone" vs "R/C Plane"? (2)

Your.Master (1088569) | about a year ago | (#44622317)

Well I google'd that for you because I was curious too.

http://www.uav-drone.net/hobby-drones.htm#.UhO-s5LVDL8 [uav-drone.net]

It seems like a functional definition is that a drone has either a mounted camera, or some means of operating outside of a line-of-sight controller (eg. simple AI autonomy, or a remote control that hooks into GPS or non-mounted cameras for control, etc.).

Re:"Drone" vs "R/C Plane"? (3, Interesting)

geekoid (135745) | about a year ago | (#44622759)

this is a drone:
  some means of operating outside of a line-of-sight controller (eg. simple AI autonomy, or a remote control that hooks into GPS or non-mounted cameras for control, etc.).

this is not:
has either a mounted camera

My R/C copter with a camera is not a drone.
When I automate it it will be a drone.

Re:"Drone" vs "R/C Plane"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44622751)

I'm sensing a lot of people use the word 'drone' where 'R/C Plane', a decades-old technology, is more appropriate, simply because it sounds cooler. Is the a technical dividing line between the two? .

It depends on who you're talking to and where you are. In the US the FAA doesn't make a distinction, it's all just Unmanned. And in most common conversation people use drone to simply mean "unmanned". In the past, the distinction used to be that a "drone" meant the craft could operate on its own without someone controlling it, as opposed to a remote controlled craft. As far as I know that distinction isn't really used any more, because many remote controlled craft now include at least a basic self-piloting function for when the remote link breaks, and most craft which normally operate on their own usually have some remote control over-ride features.

They should be using baby ducks! (1)

Ultimate Heretic (1058480) | about a year ago | (#44622027)

This is the proper response to geese: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Xqbv_wa-ns [youtube.com] .

Re:They should be using baby ducks! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44622231)

This is the proper response to geese

No, THIS [ruger.com] is the proper response to geese.

Are we at peak drone? (3, Insightful)

Gothmolly (148874) | about a year ago | (#44622037)

Is a model plane now a drone? What about a paper airplane? Is an RC car a "land drone"? If I have a Capsela model in the bathtub with me, did I create a "water drone"?

It's a tsunami of hyperbole.

Re:Are we at peak drone? (4, Funny)

gstoddart (321705) | about a year ago | (#44622113)

It's a tsunami of hyperbole.

Now you're just exaggerating. ;-)

Re:Are we at peak drone? (1)

Gravitron 5000 (1621683) | about a year ago | (#44622361)

It's a tsunami of hyperbole.

Now you're just exaggerating. ;-)

It's a hyperbole drone.

Re:Are we at peak drone? (3, Insightful)

OrangeTide (124937) | about a year ago | (#44622247)

The goal is to make the word drone meaningless. So when the government starts using police and spy agency drones against citizens we won't consider it a big deal.

Re:Are we at peak drone? (1)

Gothmolly (148874) | about a year ago | (#44622297)

+1 and the thread to you, good sir.

Drone....not really? (4, Insightful)

argStyopa (232550) | about a year ago | (#44622149)

Is it just me, or are we starting to use "drone" for pretty much anything that doesn't have a pilot actually sitting in it today?

AFAIK, "drone" is really an autonomous vehicle that for at least SOME of its flight time, it's not directly under pilot control.

I mean, it sure SOUNDS a lot cooler to say they use a "drone" than "a big radio control plane".

Re:Drone....not really? (1)

Flentil (765056) | about a year ago | (#44622385)

It's not an RC plane, it's a Hexcoptor.

They come back the next day (2, Insightful)

Culture20 (968837) | about a year ago | (#44622161)

Sounds like it's not effective enough. Get some dogs. Better yet, remove Canadian Geese from the protected species list. I'd love to hunt these things (they're so unafraid of humans now that you could whack them with a club).

Re:They come back the next day (2)

Gravitron 5000 (1621683) | about a year ago | (#44622383)

There are golf courses that use border collies to convince canadian geese to move along. Apparently the geese don't appreciate being herded.

Re:They come back the next day (1)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about a year ago | (#44622615)

I'd love to hunt these things (they're so unafraid of humans now that you could whack them with a club).

That's a an odd definition of the word, 'hunt,' you have there.

Re:They come back the next day (1)

Culture20 (968837) | about a year ago | (#44622669)

Okay, "harvest". It's not quite slaughtering since they're not domesticated, but you're correct that it's not the active pursuit that is normally thought of as hunting.

Re:They come back the next day (1)

Jose (15075) | about a year ago | (#44622633)

feel free to hunt away.
Ontario MNR [gov.on.ca] :
"Hunting is an effective way to manage goose populations and prevent conflicts. Regulations, seasons and municipal bylaws must be followed. You may hunt geese in the open season with a valid hunting licence for migratory birds. You can also encourage hunting on your property. "

Re:They come back the next day (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44622679)

Was gonna say the same thing. Is it really so damn hard to find a dog and put it on this beach? I mean, hooooly shit, people today really are starting to reach new levels of retarded.

They are unafraid because they can hold their own. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44622769)

I'd love to hunt these things (they're so unafraid of humans now that you could whack them with a club).

Search for the video of the goose charging and chasing off a gorilla.

Re:They come back the next day (1)

Punko (784684) | about a year ago | (#44622801)

Parents had trouble with geese years ago. They started letting the dog out to clear the beach head of geese. He'd charge down the lawn and put the binders on just before he got to the shore, but the geese would have moved into the water. Now years (3 or 4) after the dog has passed on, the geese are all over one neighbours lawn, get into the water, swim around their lawn and come up the beach onto the neighbour on the other side. It seems that avoidance of our place is embedded deeply now.

I do miss the "apricot flash".

Re:They come back the next day (1)

swb (14022) | about a year ago | (#44622829)

I've heard that geese are pretty smart and will learn to avoid hunters or areas where they have been hunted. I think the lesson was "hunt early, and as far north as you can" because the birds you encounter will have seen fewer hunters and will be more inclined to land for feed and decoys.

After they have been shot at a few times if the setup looks like what they've experienced before they will not fly low enough to be shot at nor land.

There's also no telling the geese "coming back" are actually coming back, or whether they are different geese who see an empty beach and figure its up for grabs.

Please link to a video! (1)

Laxori666 (748529) | about a year ago | (#44622265)

Oh man, there must be a video link of this somewhere. Anyone willing to find one? All I found was this one [youtube.com] about scaring one goose off a roof from the PoV of the copter but I want to see a 3rd-person view of the drone scuttling on the ground and scaring them off...

Re:Please link to a video! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44622905)

This request makes me think that there is an opportunity for a business here. Just allow visitors to a website to remotely control the drone!

drone misuse (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44622269)

In US, they use drones to assassinate innocent civilians. In Canada, they use drones to shoo away the geese.

Drone? Dog! (1)

TimHunter (174406) | about a year ago | (#44622363)

I used to live on a lake that had a permanent population of 60-80 Canda geese. Those bad boys were afraid of nothing and would hiss at you just for lookin' at 'em the wrong way. There was only one thing they couldn't tolerate: a dog. I'd see a bunch of 'em take off in a hurry for what looked like no good reason, then a minute later here'd come a dog, trotting along, minding his own business.

Screw R/C planes. The best and probably cheapest way to get rid of geese is to get a Jack Russell terrier and let it start "herding" them. Two weeks, three tops, and those geese will be gone forever. He'll work for food and keep you warm at night.

Re:Drone? Dog! (1)

the eric conspiracy (20178) | about a year ago | (#44622699)

Dog, yes. Generally border collies are used around here. These things are far smarter, last longer than any drone, and are self-replicating. The parents will even train the pups.

Get that fucking nature out of here (1)

0racle (667029) | about a year ago | (#44622381)

Decent people shouldn't have to put up with that natural world shit.

Re:Get that fucking nature out of here (1)

Culture20 (968837) | about a year ago | (#44622535)

In a real natural world, those geese would be in our bellies.

Attach some green lasers (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44622501)

canadian geese freak the heck out when the see green lasers on the ground or especially the beam in the air. just don't blind them or other animals cause that's not cool.

This will fail. (3, Insightful)

SoTerrified (660807) | about a year ago | (#44622513)

I used to work for a company that tried to market a tool to keep animals off the highway. But testing revealed that wild animals can become used to almost any stimulus over time. So the tool will work great for a while, then eventually fail. Drones are the same. Eventually the geese will learn not to fear the drone, and then they will happily munch away while it buzzes them. So this is a short term solution at best.

Re:This will fail. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44622721)

But there's a significant difference between sensory stimuli and physical ASSAULT. Bright lights, loud noises, etc you're right anyone can get used to. Having a giant insect-machine buzz you and physically swooping and diving at you implies to an animal that they are under attack for intruding on someone's territory.

STOP USING DRONE (1)

geekoid (135745) | about a year ago | (#44622705)

and WEAPON interchangeably.

Canada GeeseCanadian Geese (1)

Njoyda Sauce (211180) | about a year ago | (#44622783)

Canada Geese have a large range (including Canada) and may have the country as a namesake, but should not be called Canadian Geese - unless they live there I guess.

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